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Merchandise

This project has evolved out of an initial pitch to have a "Merchandise" page as well as a drive in BIONICLEsector01:Maintenance to expand on our information about Gear. So far I've listed all official merchandise that I've found in either Merchandise, Gallery:Merchandise, and/or List of Sets#Gear (as well as any references I can find so far on them), but now we could use pages for each item. These don't have to be especially elaborate--ideally the same level of detail as a given Set page. Information is often scarce for some of these items and abundant for others. Brickipedia appears to be very thoroughly researched and is a great starting point, and many of their articles for different Merchandise even link the original product pages. The Wayback Machine, BZPower news, and MaskofDestiny news have also proven exceedingly helpful in digging up long-lost images and information. The links on List of Sets#Gear are the ones to use when making new pages.

It will be a pretty hefty undertaking, but as the most thorough/extensively researched BIONICLE wiki, BS01 also ought to have the most thorough/extensively researched listing of BIONICLE merch.

Feel free to leave questions or comments here or on my talk page. --Gonel (talk) 04:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Franchise

There's a lot of behind-the-scenes information available to us from throughout BIONICLE's run to today, and a lot that can be said about the franchise as a whole. Our current Franchise page is getting quite long, so it would be useful to break its information into more focused pages along the lines of Proto-Squad. Some of these won't take much digging, as I'm linking articles I've found on the Franchise page itself. Examples of pages we'd need include things like Van Tours, Official Reports, Conventions, LegoLand (focusing on the BIONICLE aspects like the BIONICLE Blaster, BIONICLE Jam, and merch), etc.

Note that all of these may be given the Meta tag down the line, but if anything the content be moved from the original page with a redirect left behind. --Gonel (talk) 04:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Meta Pages

This overlaps significantly with the Franchise project, but now that the "" tag has been introduced, there's a lot we can make of it. Significant characters can receive dedicated meta pages such as Meta:Tahu (namely the other five Toa Mata/Nuva) a page that itself will need updates to reflect the new Merchandise information. But a host of other possibilities exist, including many of the proposals that have passed in the Voting Center. If you have an idea that isn't listed there or in the proposals that have passed below, feel free to ask a staff member about it and we may fast-track it. --Gonel (talk) 04:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Slizers/Throwbots and Roboriders

The Slizers and RoboRiders sets were key series in what would ultimately be the buildup to BIONICLE and so have been given a space on this site. Template:SetsNav contains links to pages for each set and a number of images have been already uploaded for them. You can use Set:8500, Set:8501, and Set:8507 as templates for each page, and Brickipedia's two pages on the subjects will provide much of the research you need. --Gonel (talk) 04:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Magazine Articles

Biomedia Project is accumulating an extensive database on magazines and their articles, but BS01 doesn't have resources detailing what articles existed. Template:ArticlesNav is meant to be a step in that direction, and the example page "Creatures of Metru Nui Unleashed!" provides a sample of what an article page should look like. We could also use a Magazine Articles page to serve as a table of contents on the matter. There is a wealth of information hidden in these magazine pages, and users who undertake this is guaranteed to find information they didn't know already.

Comic articles are also of interest, as many comics featured information in the same style as the magazines they came in. Inserts from 2001-2005 are fairly easy to find, and inserts from the Ignition Trilogy on can be viewed here. However, things like regular advertisements, contest announcements, and introductory story summaries aren't included in this project (although links can be made to the contests on the Magazine Articles page where appropriate). BIONICLE articles from non-LEGO sources like Nintendo Power are also of interest, and any third-party magazine should also be listed on the Magazines page. --Gonel (talk) 04:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Voting Center Proposals

HEROSector01: Add Roblox and Poptropica Sponsored Events

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This one is for HEROSector01, as I tried to find an Articles for Creation page over there but couldn’t find one, so instead I felt like putting this here. Hero Factory had a Poptropica advertisement and two Roblox events where players could earn prizes. For Poptropica, it was a minigame level, and for Roblox, two games. You can look up more about them online but basically for Poptropica it was promoting the 2010 line of sets while for Roblox, they promoted 2012 (Breakout) and 2013 (Brain Attack). From what I can gather, Poptropica had a Stormer outfit and his ice blaster gear, while Roblox had quite a bit of prizes and Catalog items. -- FirespitterVakama (talk) 08:23 AM, 29 November 2021 (EST)

Create Meta:Community Terminology

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I think it might be nice to have a page with frequently used terms that crop up in the community (AFOL, MoC, that kind of stuff). I'm not beholden to the name. -- Dorek _Talk 17:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments on creating Meta:Community Terminology

We could potentially link this to redirect pages like MoL, RoS, or TMC, for example. - Toa Jala ^Converse 03:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Create Category:Shortcuts

Whether a BIONICLEsector01 page or a Category, I think it would make sense to list all our shortcut redirects somewhere (e.g., GSR, MU, GSB, etc.). I won't vote yet, since I don't know which option would be better. - Toa Jala ^Converse 06:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Shortcut page

Alternatively, we could perhaps build out Template:Shortcut as well? Might make more sense with a different functionality though... -- Dorek _Talk 23:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, if we made a switch function that would let us use it for the actual shortcuts. - Toa Jala ^Converse 07:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Create "Community Reviews" Section

Okay, so here's an intricate one.

So have you ever looked at a set page (no surprise this will be a resounding yes) and seen that set of sections: "Critical Reviews" and "Community Reviews." A lot of these models have yet to have stuff said about them from either angle. Unless we elect a reviewer (dear god please not Eljay LOL) there's nothing we can do about the Critical Reviews section, but I was thinking: what's stopping us BioSector users from submitting our own reviews to the section? Here's one idea for how this could work:

Here's the existing template that exists already.

Here's a totally real and not pretend link.

[Visualization Ends Here]

So this totally, 100% genuinely real link would lead to a page dedicated to user reviews submitted by us. See my sandbox's first Level 1 heading here. This could be a subpage, like "Set:XXXXX/Reviews" just like we have Sets/Combiners, etc. Alternatively, this can have a whole category page dedicated to it.

In each set page, you'd have something like what you can see on my sandbox's second Level 1 heading here.

So there's the idea. Thoughts? 𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

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Comments on this topic

1. Hi this comment was made totally by the real Swert and 100% genuine. This is the coolest idea ever and we should immediately implement this. (NOT written 𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC))

Hold up. I think this one will take further discussion as to how we're going to go about doing this... ~ Wolk (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Create Meta:Capitalization Conventions

This falls under a similar vein as our Meta:Shortcuts and Meta:Community Terminology, and as a reference for in-universe terminology, it also complements the Lexicon. I and some others have been sporadically doing research on different expressions, phrases, or names in the BIONICLE canon and getting a sense of whether they were originally intended as given/proper names, or if they were just became that for convenience over time by the community. In many cases, we've made some very fascinating discoveries, and quite often Greg is very consistent one way, even in his Q&A topics, despite fans frequently going the other way.

Much of the research so far has been collected on one of Morris' talk pages, but the more we discover, the more it makes sense to just give this its own page. Though the fan lexicon is unlikely to ever change, this tool would be extremely helpful for writing fanfiction or other in-universe texts, to maintain consistency with the existing canonical body of work. It would also be helpful if we ever updated the wiki to reflect these conventions (as has been suggested on Talk:Main Page--see below comment). --Gonel (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Meta:Capitalization Conventions

On a side note, there's been some discussion on the BS01 Main Page talk page about the Nickname template with some of these, if anyone wants to weigh in. --Gonel (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Create AMEET Activity Books

Some years back, we knew very little about many of the books on Books/Other Books. However, this is beginning to change, and I am confident that for many of these books, we are now far more able to create pages on par with those for other books (which aren't that big in themselves), so I think it's about due that these are given their own pages, starting with the AMEET books. I see this encompassing two different tasks: An overall series page, like BIONICLE Chronicles, as well as individual pages for each book, like BIONICLE Chronicles 1: Tale of the Toa.~ Wolk (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating AMEET Activity Books

I think we should also split out the two Scholastic books as well, though not having the Generation 2 activity book, I'm not able to describe its contents. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I also have the G2 activity book. There are actually two slightly different versions, but the differences amount to few words and formulations being different.--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Cool! Information like that should be available on the page. :) ~ Wolk (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Something to keep in mind, we'll probably need to do "BIONICLE: Piraka (AMEET)" due to the HarperCollins book of the same name. Same for BIONICLE: Voya Nui. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

True, although the 4 pocket-sized HarperCollins books are officially called "Mini-Guides" (it says so in the books themselves), so that could be a way to differentiate them.--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Fair. I thought I'd seen the AMEET ones called "BIONICLE Activity Books" somewhere, but now I'm not finding it. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Not sure if this counts, but BIONICLE: Voya Nui has this written among the publishing information on the back: Collection: BIONICLE Jeux et activités (Games and activities).--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

There we go. Yeah, I saw it on the Mahri Nui one. I'd count that, it's better than nothing. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Have there been any English translations of the AMEET books? I should like to read them, but the only ones I have been able to find online are in Russian or Polish. TuragaHordika (talk) 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I am in the process of translating all of the books in languages other than english including all of the AMEET books, though I am unsure how to best provide it to the public eye. I was thinking maybe scans of the originals edited with translation textboxes to be archived on BMP along with raw originals? Maybe I will post text translations on my user page here for a start. Any thoughts?--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

These would be immensely handy. A couple years ago, I was talking for a while with an AMEET representative about getting original English manuscripts (namely Greg's original The Crossing text), and he seemed optimistic that it could happen. Sadly, I haven't heard back from him in some time.

One way to speed things up a bit may be to use an image/pdf scanner to detect text and then correcting any inaccuracies that may have popped up. But however you do it, I'm sure both BMP and Wall of History would love to be able to archive text versions of these books. BMP doesn't even have scans of all the AMEET books, much less the non-Scholastic, non-AMEET books. --Gonel (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the input! As a matter of fact, I am already using text recognition tools to speed things up, although depending on the scan, it often requires quite a lot of manual adjustment anyways. But I have done a lot of work already and I should have a hefty list of translations ready in the following days. Maybe I will even post something today to test out some formating. Aside from translations of already archived AMEET publications, I am also tracking down new ones and other non-AMEET stuff (hence the recent additions). Once I have it all translated I certainly plan to make contributions to BMP/Wall of History.--ToaKebaka (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright the first one is out.--ToaKebaka (talk) 21:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Create HarperCollins Books

See AMEET Books. --Gonel (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating HarperCollins Books

I guess an important question to be asked -- are the five activity books (the ones not part of the Mini-Guide series) a series of their own, or standalone? If the former, what do we call that series? ~ Wolk (talk) 11:09, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, all of them are cross-advertised on the inside with a caption "don't miss other great Bionicle books". But I think it is their contents that make it more clear. Imagine it like this: there is a pool of written material containing elements A-J, and each of the books pulls some combination of elements from this pool. So let's say FaF has elements A, B, C, D, while the Annual contains C, D, E, F, or GtS G, H, I, J. Each one has its own original content, found only in that publication, but there is some overlap between them. Activity Booklet is the only one with no original content and instead has a portion of each of the other four publications, effectivelly (not officially) acting like a sampler for these books.--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Create BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book

Self-explanatory. See Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Create BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power

Self-explanatory. See Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Create Game Stats sections

Similar to the BIONICLE.com stats, I think it would be nice to have a similar visual display for game stats for various characters, maybe as a header under Trivia. This would apply to Piraka Attack (in place of the clunky version present in the Trivia of the Piraka) and the Mata Nui Online Game. Glatorian Arena uses the same stats as BIONICLE.com. I'm sure there's other games as well this could be applied to. This would require new templates though, in similar vein to the website stats. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Game Stats sections

Noticing now that the original Glatorian Arena did not have the same stat numbers as the Bios, wow! Gotta double check the other two games. ~ Wolk (talk) 05:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Rename Power Swords as Power Sword

These weapons are not unique and are not paired by functionality. They are more in line with Electro-Blade and should not be pluralized. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on Rename Power Swords as Power Sword

Per the recent AFC proposal that passed to rename Power Swords to Power Sword, how should we distinguish between Tanma's Power Swords and Jaller's Aqua Power Blade? Dag (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the easiest way to do it to make the Av-Matoran sword as "Power Sword (Matoran/Av-Matoran)" and make the Power Sword page a disambig of the two.--SurelNuva (Talk) 21:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, this page would be Power Sword and Jaller's is still Aquatic Power Blade. We can just use a "You May"? ~ Wolk (talk) 22:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Create Ghost Studios

While this may not get the most care, like similar pages such as ADVANCE's, Ghost was a pretty important part of Bionicle, creating many animations that Bionicle has become well remembered for. It is a little hard to find a full list, but they are responsible for the Toa Hagah Commercial, the Mistika Commercial, the 2008 Vehicle Commercial, the Phantoka Commercial, the 2006 Playset Commercial, the Visorak Commercial, and at least half a dozen more. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Ghost Studios

Isn't Ghost Studios just a department of Advance? I'm pretty sure all of the CG animation is made by them.--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I could find no mention of this anywhere through searches nor on any section of Advance's website, including their extensive page on their partnership and work with Lego, starting with Bionicle. It is almost impossible to find anything about Ghost though, as their are many companies who do that kind of work by that name, including on in Calcuhta, India, one in South America(Argentinian and Brazilian), and one tiny one in Utah. Once a website and/or business records can be found or established, we can know for sure, but they seem like an independent group, possibly having been contracted through Advance or by Lego directly. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Here is Ghost VFX's website; the first listed studio is in Copenhagen, so it's most likely the one we're looking for. Their URL used to be www.ghost.dk (which now redirects to the current URL), and by going to Wayback Machine, we can find Ghost's LEGO Bionicle Arkiv in 2007. And there we have it:

"Kunde: Advance
Ghost: 3D / Compositing"

So Ghost did "3D / Compositing" work on the animations, while Advance was the client. Worth noting is that at least one animation attributed to Ghost Studios, Toa Hagah Commercial, is uploaded on Advance Copenhagen's YouTube channel. Illustration artist Klavs Ferdinand lists some artwork for Advance and other artwork for Ghost VFX on their ArtStation page, and 3D artist CG animator Gill Frank lists both Ghost A/S and Advance A/S on his resume, so there's been people who've worked with/for both companies. So I suppose the question becomes how much work did Advance vs. Ghost do on these animations? --PeabodySam (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I wonder which other studios or companies would be worth making pages for. --Gonel (talk) 06:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Create Buildings and/or Structures and/or Infrastructure Page

This would be a page(or subsection) or a set of new pages that lists major and minor buildings, structures, and/or Infrastructure, as well as things like monuments or the Great Telescope system. Buildings and structures include things like the the Great Temple, The Kini-Nui, the Amaja-Nui, Matoran Houses, Ga-Metru Schools, Furnaces, the Mahri Nui Temple, etc. Infrastructure would include things like the Moto Hub, the Le-Metru Chute System, the Underwater Chutes of Ga-Metru, the liquid protodermis canals of Ga Metru, (arguably) the Great Collesium, the arenas of Bara Magna, the highways of the island of Mata Nui, etc. Minor Structures or Structures/Other could also be made to include and seperate out structures, buildings, or pieces of infrastructure with no names and/or very little significance to the story, like the alternate, non-canon towers that are seen as alternate builds or combiners of the playsets, or the unamed buildings and monuments seen in images of islands in Bionicle: World. There is also an alternate option below for voting that this should be a new subsections or set of subsectionsFirespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s) or section(s)

I am not entirely sure how the voting should be counted on this, but if it wasn't done this way, it would have had 64 or 84 options. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what is being proposed here, but there is probably room for discussion here. Are you proposing a page akin to Objects? That could be useful. In that case, I would make all of these categories into one page, maybe just call the page "Structures". This, however, raises the question of what should belong on Locations/Other Locations, though, which things like the Barraki Fortresses... I guess it's not too bad to have them double-listed, as we would have that either way with locations in each Metru/Wahi anyway. Coinciding this, I think there's a discrepency between how structures/sub-locations are handled between different locations. The Metru's list is more descriptive, where as the Wahi lists only list names (including some that probably should be moved into sub-pages, especially locations inside Koros). In my opinion, the former approach is preferable. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

I like this idea, but I have to admit I'm a bit confused. We already have pages for the Moto-Hub and Chutes, as well as the Great Temple, Kini-Nui, and Amaja-Nui. The Chute page already has a section for underwater cutes. I can see pages being made for Matoran homes and schools (what little we know about them) and other nonspecific locations. I think that would be very interesting. - Toa Jala ^Converse 18:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

This would be like the Objects or Location page. I think it should probably only be either 1 page or a page for significant ones and minor ones. It would be like a list page, though not quite just a category page. I can try to make a sandbox at some point, though it will take a while as it will be my first one. It wouldn't necessarily have to be on the front page either, as it could be relegated to the navigation format for locations, but those more general topic pages are what I am proposing. Things like a forest or mountain range wouldn't be there, as they are natural(or appear natural when it comes to the islands inside the MU). I did think I made it clear enough, but clearly I didn't do a great job, seeing as both of you are saying that you were confused. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I see, thanks for clarifying. I'd be inclined to say that the major locations should stay as they are and the minor ones should be assimilated into Infrastructure, but let's see how this develops. - Toa Jala ^Converse 20:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Create Companies Contributing to BIONICLE

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Made a comment on the Ghost Studios proposal, but it's always struck me as odd that Templar and Saffire don't have pages considering their work. Irrespective of this, I think it would be worthwhile to have a catch-all page for all the studios involved on BIONICLE that don't already have their own page, much as we have our Professional Contributors to BIONICLE page. Although a case could be made that a number of companies could use their own pages, we could presently list anything from Templar, Saffire, Scholastic, AMEET, DC, Creative Capers, Papercutz, Universal, etc.

If anyone has better ideas for the title, feel free to pitch them. --Gonel (talk) 03:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Revise Infobox Image Policy

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I previously brought this up on Surel-Nuva's talk page, but basically several other users and I think that we should change the policy of prioritizing comic images in infoboxes. The current policy works well on some pages, such as Dekar-Hydraxon and Krika, while others, such as Vorox and Bitil use poorly cropped comic frames which make it difficult to easily discern the character's appearance. Because of this, I think that we should switch to CGI images for pages which we deem to have poor quality infobox images. I think this would greatly improve the quality of the wiki, and am curious to hear others' perspectives on this. TuragaHordika (talk) 04:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Comments on revising Infobox Image Policy

Agree with this 100%. Some articles are indeed using inferior images because of the comics-first policy. 06-07 characters are prone to this, because of Sayger's style not usually giving a lot of detail to characters in the background of panels. ChroniclerTakanuva (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

As I said on Surel-Nuva's talk page: I know the current image policy has been standing for over a decade, but I was weighing whether to bring this up in AfD/AfC. So yes, I'd also like to voice my support for using CGI instead of comic images. Especially since the comic pictures are hardly consistent across BS01 (Defilak has set CGI, Teridax has a movie screenshot, Muaka has a Flash sprite, Kane-Ra has a trading card, Visorak Battle Ram has a book illustration, etc. despite all of these appearing in comics) and there are many more characters who appear in sets (and therefore have high-quality CGI art) and not comics than there are vice versa. And as far as the comic images themselves are concerned... for every Krika with fantastic art, there's a bunch of Bitil who are lacking any comic panels better than their set CGI. Furthermore, there are instances such as the Toa Metru where the comic artwork does not represent the final sets or how the characters canonically look in the story. I know replacing this many images will be a huge undertaking, but I think it improve BS01's image (pun intended) overall. --PeabodySam (talk) 16:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to some clarification, but I just don't see bumping the predominance of comic images down. This isn't formally in the policy (nor do I recall having any specific conversations about this ever lol) but I've always preferred comic images because it's the most story-focused content. Especially now that we use CGI and set images in different contexts with expanded set pages and whatnot, having comic images take priority creates a better visual identity, and it always has. Obviously I might just be stuck in the past on this issue, but I think that unique visual identity (especially over, shall we say, other wiki-type sites) has had a lot to do with BS01's success.

I think ultimately we're okay with taking things on a case by case basis, which to me would make more sense than changing the policy. Some of it might boil down to preference, too; obviously the Bitil image isn't nearly as good as the Krika one, but I don't think it's THAT bad. Defilak, I seem to recall, used a zoomed in version of the "briefing" image that's on the page, but that was ultimately inferior so we switched to the set image. The Kane-Ra and Visorak Battle Ram images probably stem from a different issue wherein we used to label anything illustrated as "comic" so I'm definitely pro clarifying and classifying some of those things. -- Dorek _Talk 02:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not proposing bumping the comic images down, as I agree that they are the most story-focused images. What I would like is to make it so we don't use them almost exclusively. I think it should be that if we can't find a good comic image, than we use the next best image of the character/object. At the end of the day, the purpose of the infobox pictures is to show the reader what the subject of the article looks like, and this has only become more important now that we have pop-up previews. The image needs to leave a good first impression, and many articles which use comic images fail to do that. So yes, I think that we should judge these on a case by case basis, and am willing to fix some of the more obvious cases if given the go-ahead. TuragaHordika (talk) 03:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I mean, by and large that is the policy, but it could definitely use some rewording to make that more clear! But yeah if you wanted to pull together a list of the ones you think could benefit from being swapped out, I'm not opposed to then changing it! Maybe if we start a list too people can add in their own examples, I'm sure everybody has one they think another image would be a better fit on.

I also did not realize we now have pop-up previews! I've been out of the loop lol. It's definitely a good reason to put the best foot forward. -- Dorek _Talk 04:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Prioritizing comic panels gives BS01 a unique visual identity, yes. But with there already being so many "exceptions" to that priority, it's not a very cohesive identity. Nor is "that wiki where all the Toa Metru are missing their chest armor, most of the 2007 characters look like stick figures, and Pohatu's vehicle form is barely visible" really the best identity to have. While I appreciate the argument that BS01 is primarily a story-focused wiki and the comics illustrate the characters in-story, Greg has often gone on record saying that the sets themselves are the best representation of the characters' canonical appearance in the story, barring details like fingers, heartlights, and muscle (but those don't show up in comics anyways... not usually, at least).

I think there's an important distinction between set CGI and the sets themselves. For example, File:Tahu Mata Set.PNG depicts Tahu as an animated character doing Tahu stuff (i.e. lavaboarding) in a volcanic setting (i.e. Ta-Wahi), while File:8534 Tahu.jpg is just an official photo of the toy (albeit a prototype in this specific instance). The latter is what we should be calling "set form" and using to represent set 8534, whereas the former is a clean clear representation of the character in a story-appropriate setting that doesn't have any issues with awkward framing or extra visual clutter that comic panels often have, making it a more ideal infobox image. That's also consistent for the majority of characters represented as sets throughout BIONICLE's run, unlike the wide range of styles (for better or worse) from the many artists who've worked on BIONICLE comics.

On TV Tropes, there's an "Image Pickin'" subforum where editors can raise an issue or concern with an article's current image and suggest a replacement, then others can weigh in and discuss the proposal or even offer alternate suggestions, and finally it's put a poll and the best option is voted in. Basically, it's like our AfC/AfD, but for images. If you're open to case-by-case scenarios, I believe BS01 having a similar avenue for discussing which comic images to swap out in favor of other images would be helpful. So at minimum, I'd certainly support the suggestion for creating a list where editors can suggest articles that could use better infobox images. --PeabodySam (talk) 23:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Good idea, I definitely think BS01 could use an infobox image discussion page. I've compiled a list of notable cases, and something like that could definitely help us sort through them. With that in mind, should I make a new proposal to "Create BIONICLEsector01: Images for Discussion" or whatever we want to call it? TuragaHordika (talk) 00:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The main issue I have is that there's already so many exceptions anyway; sure you could argue that sets offer the most cohesive visual throughline (and ignoring how some of the same issues, like fidelity to the sets, is tricky enough when the sets are... doing things or bending in ways they can't do normally, or the occasional set that isn't constructed properly in those CGI shots), but there's plenty of characters (Element Lords, MNOG Matoran, etc) that don't have those representations. So ultimately it's a matter of preference by degree. I'm willing to lose out on a little bit of consistency for something that, unscientifically, is just more fun. Mata Nui might be another really food example; sure there are comic images of the robot (even if most/all of them are Teridax) but that Faber art is just SO GOOD that it feels disingenuous not to use it.

All that said, I'm definitely down for a separate place to discuss the images, like the Image Pickin' subforum. If people think a separate project page is best to do that, that sounds good! (someone who maybe is not me can make it) -- Dorek _Talk 05:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

The MNOG II Matoran are definitely an exception that comes to mind for me, where I think even the eight have sets for should use the MNOG II renditions for consistency. A discussion forum doesn't sound like a bad idea. ~ Wolk (talk) 09:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)