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Welcome to the wiki. :) --Master of the Rahkshi Ask, and ye shall receive. Eventually. 16:04, 28 October 2014 (CET)


Thanks for cleaning up the vandalism. :) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:20, 12 July 2017 (CET)


It was my influence what change your mind about the Kraatu? — SurelNuva (Talk) 18:48, 20 July 2017 (CET)

Actually, yes. ~ WOLKsite (talk) 19:44, 20 July 2017 (CET)
Another thing... Before I checked your user page/infobox I though I'm younger than you, but actually I'm not :D — SurelNuva (Talk) 21:49, 20 July 2017 (CET)


What deserves an Era icon, you can find here. The basic EraG1 sign goes to the pages related to the Generation 1, and the "dropdown" (eg: {{EraG1|1}}) goes to the characters, factions, and events. As long as I'm right, I've finished every stuff related to G2, so the Generation 2 is done. — SurelNuva (Talk) 14:35, 29 August 2017 (CET)

The semi-canon tag on the Huai Snowball Sling page is because of its "Game information." — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:21, 13 September 2017 (CET)

Removing votes

Hey there. I was wondering why you removed my votes from the AfD. I haven't been active here in a while, so I might have missed something about rules. --Vartemp Talk 22:45, 29 September 2017 (CET)

If I did, it was purely on accident, so sorry and whops. Edit: Oh, appearently I did... Accident. --~ Wolk (talk) 22:51, 29 September 2017 (CET)
No worries! It's all good. :) --Vartemp Talk 22:57, 29 September 2017 (CET)


I didn't modify the combiner model template for none of the other combiner or alt. models had shortcuts at the time, but if you like to make shortcuts for thoso too, I'll add the parameter to the template. — SurelNuva (Talk) 17:56, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think it's necessairy for the combiner models. The issue was that Set:8942_(Alternate) was using the combiner template, unlike other alternate (non-combo) models, which use the set template. Thanks anyways ;) --~ Wolk (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Questions on Sourcing

I've noticed the template for sourcing the OGDi (Official Greg Dialogue) includes a date, however no page number, linking you to page 1. This I've found is quite the annoyance. Is there anything that can be done to perhaps add the page number into the link? For reference, I mean the following template: [1] Second question; does this template exist for other pages, more specifically the other three present at ? Thanks in advance! ~ Wolk (talk) 18:49, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

We usually replace the GregCitation with a <sup>[[link-of-the-needed-Greg-Archives-post OGD/OGDi/OGQ]]</sup> whenever we found the post's link in the Greg Archives or replace it as a reference link, there're no other ways to make it works properly unfortunately. — SurelNuva (Talk) 22:06, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
What about the Chat with Greg Farshtey (LMB) topic? ~ Wolk (talk) 22:38, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

The very same thing. The full LMB is archived on the Greg Archives too, I've already replaced some LMB links with the Greg Archives ones. — SurelNuva (Talk) 22:46, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Sup or Ref citations?

What's the difference between




? They seem to fill the same role to me, so I am unsure which one to use, however Ref seems to be more inline with the updated Book Citations. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

I use ref-tags when I link, for say, the TTV pages. The sup-links lines up with the MediaCitation, GregCitations, etc. And the dagger spider/lawa hawk info probably came from one of the printed ignition comics, so I hope the hyperlink will be replaced by a ComicCitation link. :) — SurelNuva (Talk) 20:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The end goal is to use templates for citations whenever possible, and for those templates to use ref tags instead of sup tags. Using ref tags will be nice because citations will all have one consistent format, and ref tags will let us pack more information into citations than just a source and possibly a page number. At the moment we only have BookCitation set up, but hopefully we'll expand it to other citations (although realistically it may be a while before I have time). Anyway, now that BookCitation has been redone, here are the major changes I'm hoping we make to book citations across the wiki:
  • Ideally when you cite a book's page number or numbers, you should include a chapter name and/or number too. Hopefully that will make it easier for wiki readers to find the material we're citing, since resources like the Wall of History include book excerpts broken up by chapter but don't include page numbers.
  • When citing reference books like BEU and TOGtB, mention entry names rather than page numbers. It's more natural. A notable exception to this rule is BW; BW citations should follow the chapter-page format since BW is set up more like a chapter book than an encyclopedia. MGttU and MNGtBM are also exceptions, since those books sometimes contain multiple entries on the same subject. For those books, cite the entry name and page number.
  • When citing a page range (say 1-5), specify the start page and end page separately (as 1 and 5 respectively) instead of citing them together as page 1-5. That's mostly done for style reasons.
If anyone has thoughts on these changes or others we should make, please let me know. But, that's getting off topic from your original question. For the moment, if you're citing a book, comic, etc. that already has a template, use that template. If you're citing a source that doesn't have a template, keep using whatever format we've been using for that source up to this point. For example, keep using sup tags for bios, and keep using ref tags for the TTV boards. I figure that if we always cite a given source in the same way, it'll be easier to find that source's citations later on when we want to replace those citations with templates. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 21:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

NOGLB date

What is said in the Makuta's Guide, page 16? "In the tens of thousands of years before the Brotherhood of Makuta rebelled against Mata Nui, they often employed Toa as guards. One such Toa team was the Toa Hagah, led by a brave hero named Norik." What I read this as effectively stating is that the Brotherhood started making guard teams tens of thousands of years ago, and done so many times over that span of time until the time of the rebellion. As such, not all of those teams would necessairly be tens of thousands of years old, and therefor we cannot draw the Toa Hagah's age from this. ~ Wolk (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

As the statement says "In the tens of thousands of years before the Brotherhood of Makuta rebelled against Mata Nui, they often employed Toa as guards. One such Toa team was the Toa Hagah, led by a brave hero named Norik." It literally means that one of the Toa teams that the Brotherhood employed was Norik's team. "One such a team (which was employed in the tens of thousands of years before the BoM rebellion) was the Toa Hagah." "Tens" means that it was at least 10 thousand years before it, like 10-99, if they were only employed 7 thousand years before, it would be only "In the thousands," or "In the *ten* thousand of years" not " In the *tens* of thousands of years," that's why I used it for reference. — SurelNuva (Talk) 11:27, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
I am with Surel on this. "Tens of thousands of years" implies that it could not have been under 10,000 years.--Lukas Exemplar (talk) 15:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
As I read it, it means the Brotherhood began employing Toa tens of thousand years ago. I think we don't know Norik's Team was the first, so they could have been formed anywhere before the Brotherhood rebelled. --maxim21 16:44, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Maxim21, the "tens" means it is from 10 - 99 thousands of years, and Spiriah's were 70 thousands years before (iir). But the next sentence also implies that Norik's team was one that was employed during that period, which also means that it was at least 10 thousands years before, so even if Varian was in status 7000 years before the Takanuva vs Makuta fight, when Vezok ans Hakann waa requited to the Dark Hunters, she must've been a trophy for at least 10 thousands years, as she was Norik's teammate.— SurelNuva (Talk) 21:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
I'll concede here, however - It should be 11,000 - Tens of thousands of years before the Makuta's rebellion, not before the present. ~ Wolk (talk) 23:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
I think you didn't understand what I was intending to say. The tens of thousand here only refers to the use of Toa by the Brotherhood, not Norik's Team. Just because the Brotherhood used Toa for tens of thousand of years doesn't mean they used every Toa the whole time. As it's worded, it doesn't even mean they used Toa continuously during these tens of thousands of years.
So basically Norik's team could have formed two years before the rebellion of the Makuta and that would still be in line with what this sentence means. --maxim21 03:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
No @Maxim21, it says "In the tens of thousands of years before the the Brotherhood of Makuta rebelled against Mata Nui, they often employed Toa as guard." The next sentence begins with "One such a team was the Toa Hagah, led by a brave hero named Norik". And "one such of something" usually refers to something mentioned before, it's grammar. See:

Definition" (this is) one such (problem): (this is) an example of the kind of (problem) previously mentioned

The "one such" basically stands for "one of them". If you exchange it, it says "In the tens of thousands -which means 10,000 to 99,000- years before /rest of this/ they often employed Toa as guards. One of them was thr Toa Hagah /rest of this/." And now, it's pretty clear that Norik's team was formed during that tens of thousands of years. And a little update, the Encyclopedia actually mentions the Toa Hagah in the Makuta entry, and keep in mind, that when it was released, we only knew about Teridax's Hagah team, but it says

What has been verified is that at some point in the distant past, Makuta took an oath to protect the Matoran. He was so highly regarded that he had an elite team of Toa dedicated to serving and guarding him (SEE: TOA HaGAH)

After smashing a rebellion against Mata Nui (1) by the LEAGUE OF SIX KINGDOMS some 80,000 years ago

So, we can understand this on 2 different ways. One is that chronologicaly, the Toa Hagah were formed before the Barraki Rebellion, so over 80,000 years ago, or the other is that it was just a mention that Teridax had them, and the nect paragraph is where the chronological order begins.— SurelNuva (Talk) 06:34, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I believe maxim's reading is correct.

"In the tens of thousands of years before the Brotherhood of Makuta rebelled against Mata Nui, they often employed Toa as guards. One such Toa team was the Toa Hagah, led by a brave hero named Norik."

The phrase "in the tens of thousands of years before the Brotherhood of Makuta rebelled" just means that the team was founded at some point before the Brotherhood rebelled. If Norik's team was founded a day before the Brotherhood's rebellion, then that would not contradict the above quote at all.

That's a good point about Teridax's encyclopedia entry. Personally I think it's the second option you suggested: the entry's first paragraph isn't implying that the Hagah formed before the League of Six Kingdoms ended. Since there's nothing (to my knowledge) that explicitly contradicts that reading, we can't discount it. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 18:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I seem to fail to express my point properly. I guess an example might be the best way to tell it? Consider this: "For tens of thousands of years, Toa gathered in teams and acted as heroes for the Matoran. One such team was the Toa Metru, who defended the Matoran of Metru Nui during the Great Cataclysm." Does it makes my point clearer?
About the BEU entry, I also find it unclear.
I remembered the Timeline/History of the Matoran Universe page stated that Toa Hagah were formed "Sometime between 79,100 Years Ago and 70,000 Years Ago". After investigating, it seems this was added thinking Toa Hagah were assembled to protect the Makuta after their evolution, which is apparently wrong - there was some discussion on Talk:Toa Hagah#No One Gets Left Behind about that.
The employ of Toa by the Brotherhood before the fall of the League is also mentioned in The Mutran Chronicles#Chapter 2. It's unclear if that's specifically Toa Hagah teams. BL6 doesn't state anything useful about this.
Nothing really definitive. --maxim21 18:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, one definitive thing we have is that the Brotherhood overall started employing Toa Hagah more than 70,000 years ago as Spiriah had a team - but this of course doesn't mean much for Teridax's team as it's also stated they could have been formed at different times for the different Makuta. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Toa Of Plasma

There is more than one Greg Quote regarding the Toa of Plasma:,13,20-21,44,18,12,21

The Jerminator (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay I was unaware of this; never mind then! ~ Wolk (talk) 08:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Makuta Rewrite

On Talk:Makuta (Species), you stated that the page needed a rewrite. Can you tell me what you have in mind? I might be interested in doing it, or collaborating. -- Toa Jala Converse 21:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I haven't thought overly about it. A lot of it is adding citations, cleaning it up structurally as the information feels hapazardly scattered, and adding information such as what Makuta of Metru Nui has dug up. I remember trying to add to it once, and it just wasn't fitting in well, which was the cataclyst for me wanting to rewrite it. ~ Wolk (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

You're a good man, Charlie Brown

Where did you find these images -- Dorek Talk 20:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

I just search up the set on Customer Service: :) ~ Wolk (talk) 09:15, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Wild, I definitely have looked there before. Maybe they updated them at some point. Good find! -- Dorek Talk 18:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
I think it would be useful to keep the CGI ones around for the Nuva, Kal, and Metrutoran, although perhaps not as the [setname].jpg files... When I uploaded the Nuva, that's what I had in mind. Do you think you can swap the Nuva ones around for consistency? ~ Wolk (talk) 09:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I suppose I could move the filenames, but we already have most of them just with backgrounds (like for Gali, there's File:8570 Gali Nuva.jpg and File:Gali Nuva Set.png, so the former seems kind of unnecessary to have at that point). Did you want them with and without backgrounds? -- Dorek Talk 19:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I guess we don't need the have the backgroundless ones. ~ Wolk (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, so I would move Media:8572 Tahu Nuva prod.JPG to Media:8572 Tahu Nuva.jpg, and likewise for the other five Nuva. I do think the Rorzakh CGI one is high enough quality that it can be kept. Media:Set K8534.png can be removed; I was going to use it on the page for K8534, but then I remembered we usually don't do unique pages for combiner model collections... Also gotta check off my list of 04 collection sets >.> ~ Wolk (talk) 12:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Haha, there's always going to be some collections that we missed, but it's fun finding new ones! I'll move the files around. -- Dorek Talk 02:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Oh the Rorzakh one already exists, go figure. -- Dorek Talk 03:05, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Mangai research

Thanks for putting all that effort into researching the Toa Mangai! You've dug up a decent amount of info that I wasn't familiar with before. For example, I didn't know that some of the members were on Lhikan's team before (or that Lhikan even had a team before, for that matter). All this info seems particularly relevant now because people on Discord have been making a lot of Mangai mocs these past few months. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

The amount of time and care you put into that project is remarkable. This research basically proved me right that Nidhiki was Lhikan's teammate before they became Toa Mangai, but still not closes out that Tuyet were their teammate too, being closer to Lhikan than Nidhiki. But Morris, the info about Lhikan's pervious team that was reformed into the Mangai is on the Toa Mangai's page for month now haha.--Surel (Talk) 07:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, I was surprised to find that conclusion. As for Tuyet, I think that she was in her homeland (or at least, not with Lhikan for her claim to sound plausible) prior to being called upon for the KD battle is decently strong evidence she was not on Lhikan's team. I mostly got tired of the back-and-forth of contradicting quotes, so I wanted to see, preconceptions aside, what in all was actually said, and there's less contradictions than I thought tbh. ~ Wolk (talk) 08:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
The only strong source of saying Tuyet known Lhikan before the KD attack is The Many Death of Toa Tuyet, where Lhikan says they're friends for thousands of years, and TMDoTT is like 500 or 1,500 years after the KD fight. It may not be an accurate number, only a metaphor for their strong friendship though.--Surel (Talk) 11:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Hmm, good catch. ~ Wolk (talk) 11:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Also on that, it's assumed that the "once we've almost died together" part refers to the Kanohi Dragon fight. well at least on our wiki page of TMDoTT does.--Surel (Talk) 13:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Yeah. That seems weird, haven't seen any indication towards that having been confirmed. Maybe it made more sense under the assumption that their time together did not predate the Mangai. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
I guessed the same, I'm just trying to be helpful with the additional info I can gather.:) --Surel (Talk) 14:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Oops, Surel, you're right that that info has been on the page for a while! Thanks for pointing that out. It prompted me to read the article all the way through (for the first time in a while evidently). Anyway, Wolk, let us know if you'd like some help integrating this info into the relevant articles! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 04:52, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Assistance would definitely be much appreciated! ~ Wolk (talk) 09:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


It was originally "cameo appearance".--Surel (Talk) 05:35, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

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