Talk:Kanohi

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About my last edit, I have only one source from the OGD.
Q: Hey Greg, is it possible to fuse two kanohi so you get a combined mask power?
A: No, you would not get a dual Kanohi, you would get a completely different mask power.
And so, I do not have more sources for the rest of my edit. But I believe to remember that it is impossible to fuse two Kanohi together, because melting a Kanohi would make leak its power, among other things.
For me, the exceptions of the Mask of Light and Shadow, Aki or Rua are due to the fact that these masks are created during a fusion.
I also made this edit to make you react, if you had other sources about this or something else, to complete/deny/confirm this information.

Du7734 (talk) 21:11, 7 July 2014 (CEST)

I don't remember the context of the answer, but it's possible he read the first "Kanohi" as "Kanoka". -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 02:15, 8 July 2014 (CEST)

Mahri Kanohi

In lieu of Greg's recent clarifications, do you think we might add a new section under "Forms" detailing the modified Kanohi worn by the Mahri? Greg has made a distinction between them and "regular" Kanohi, so I think the page ought to reflect that. I'd write it up myself, but I've got a jog scheduled. I'll check back in an hour or two. --Angel Bob (talk) 21:51, 19 September 2014 (CEST)

The idea has always sort of been around (seen on the Volitak page, specifically) but with the new awkward clarification, I suppose it could bear a mention. I think ideally it would just be on the individual pages, like Volitak is now, and not on the Kanohi page (although the whole image gallery of Kanohi could use a revamp as it is anyway). -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 22:07, 19 September 2014 (CEST)

Kiril vs. Pehkui

Shouldn't the Pehkui have a "No Image" image as a no ordinary Pehkui has ever been seen as in canon Norik's Pehkui is shaped as a Kiril to honour an old hero who wore a Kiril? I will change it to reflect this. --TonksM (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2015 (CEST)

Infobox Image

Why is the Vahi the image in the infobox? It doesn't really represent Kanohi as a whole. I think this image would make a much better candidate: Animation Metru Nui Kanohi.png

--Gresh113, Gla"Toa"rian of Air 19:05, 26 October 2015 (CET)

I agree. -- External Image Speak to Me 07:26, 22 January 2016 (CET)

Matoran Noble Kanohi

I have a question; what happens to a Matoran that wears a Noble Kanohi (obviously powerless since is a Matoran) turns into a Toa? --BIONICLE 4EVER (talk) 04:03, 22 January 2016 (CET)

I've often wondered that myself. Since Matoran Kanohi are powerless (with very few exceptions), I assume that any Kanohi exposed to Toa Energy would transform into a Great Kanohi. Any Kanohi made from a Kanoka with a power level of 6 or lower results in a powerless Kanohi. So if you think about it, the only real difference between, say, Macku's mask and Balta's mask is the shape. So maybe the resulting mask would have the power of a Great Kanohi, but maybe the shape of a Noble Kanohi? Or perhaps the transformation would automatically change the shape. Either way, I'm certain the result would be a Great Kanohi; it just may not look like one. -- External Image Speak to Me 07:26, 22 January 2016 (CET)
But I'm just speculating. -- External Image Speak to Me 07:44, 22 January 2016 (CET)

Pehkui/Kiril

Under the Great Masks section, there is the "No Image Available" image for the Pehkui, despite the Great Kanohi's official depiction with Norik. Furthermore, for the Kiril, the chart shows the Noble incarnation of the mask, as opposed to a picture of the Great version we never got. I assume the Pehkui's lack of a visual representation is due to the presence of the Kiril and both masks' identical appearance, but it seems to me the Great Kiril image should be removed from the Great masks chart (that image is already in the Noble masks section) and the Pehkui image should be moved in. --777stairs (talk) 02:57, 7 May 2016 (CET)

We only have images from the Noble version of the Kiril. And Norik's Pehkui is in the shape of a Noble Kiril, but still a Pehkui. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 11:27, 27 August 2016 (CET)

Metru mask pictures

In the image table we have set up, those metru mask pictures we have are pretty cringeworthy, and I know we have better ones...Intelligence4 (talk) 04:43, 10 May 2016 (CET)

I'd be down, but the only real alternative would be images from the instruction manuals, which aren't face-on (and File:Rau Great.png looks pretty bad). Thoughts? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:47, 7 June 2016 (CET)
Hmm, you're right those are pretty bad. I think they're better than the ones we have though - the only thing that bugs me about the instruction manual images is that they're colored so you can "see through" them. The fact that they're not face on shouldn't be an issue, I think. Are there really not any other images of the metru masks? O.O Intelligence4 (talk) 02:16, 16 June 2016 (CET)
Just went and looked at the [Rau] page, what about those info box images? Intelligence4 (talk) 02:18, 16 June 2016 (CET)

Matoran Mask Color

I'm not sure where this was said, perhaps the Metru Nui guide book? On this page, under "Mask Making", it says "Masks would be painted with a coloring additive after being made, to differentiate power level. Matoran masks would have silver paint added to the top half, Noble, black paint, and Great masks would remain one full color. Further; If Matoran masks were painted, Takua's mask changing color on its own would have stuck out like a soar thumb. Therefor; "Matoran masks, having no power, will not change color at all, making it necessary to paint them in their colors." is contridictary. ~ Wolk (talk) 11:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure where it was outlined, but I know it's why the 2004 Matoran sets had masks blended with silver, and Dume's mask was blended with black. At what point did Takua's mask change color? Master Inika (Talk) 17:47, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
The issue isn't with the Masks being lined with silver/black. The issue is the statement that was previously on the page saying Matoran masks are unable to change color depending on the wearer, instead remaining gray, and thus require to be painted. After Takua's mask broke in Metru Nui, he got his Pakari, which turned blue due to him subconsciously accessing his Av-Matoran camoflauge power. ~ Wolk (talk) 21:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I think it's not that masks cannot change color, it's that they do not. Matoran masks won't change color when Matoran wear them normally. However Takua's changed since, like you said, he accessed his camouflage power. If anyone saw Takua put on the mask, they'd have known something was up, since if he were a Ta-Matoran, the mask would have stayed whatever color it was painted originally. (And presumably Takua didn't inquire too deeply into why his mask changed color.) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 01:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
In that case we'd only seen Matoran wearing gray masks though. Were they painted, that paint would too have faded in the sunlight as well. If anyone can find a source for Matoran masks not changing color, be my guest. ~ Wolk (talk) 09:41, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't follow... afaik Matoran masks are painted. Presumably they were bleached on Mata Nui just like the Matoran's armor was. The bleaching didn't turn their armor gray though, it just made the armor brighter, so if the Matoran's masks were painted, I don't see why they would turn gray. Agreed though, a source one way or the other would be good. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

The first quote in this thread seems to imply that only the silver strip was painted on to indicate that the mask had no powers. Perhaps the matoran masks did change color based on the wearer? I agree, a source one way or another would be good. I think it's possible we've been making an assumption all this time. Intelligence4 (talk) 17:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I just realised that Jaller's mask is gray in the Ussanui set (however, the mask has since been retconned to be a noble mask.) I'm not sure where the bleach thing originates, it's not a thing I've heard about. ~ Wolk (talk) 08:37, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
i think this was in either a series book or a guide somewhere, I'll check and get back to you tomorrow. --"On the bounce and on the numbers, boys!!" ~Prof. Srlojohn 16:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I think Greg bounced back and forth on whether Kanohi masks' colors are determined by the wearer or just paint. We'll have to dive in Greg's quotes for this, but iirc the last change he made was that Matoran masks are grey when unworn and changes color depending on the wearer, thus making the Ussanui set depiction canon over the movie. The only paint that was applied was on Metru Nui where they differentiate mask classes.~Mattym
Yeah i'll start digging through my book collection and i'll have the answer in a few days.

Silver Kanohi

Does anyone know what the point was of the silver Kanohi from the old mask packs? I though there was only supposed to be one silver Kanohi for Wairuha? --Shadowfax (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, as far as I know, the silver masks meant to represent the unworn/powerless masks. — SurelNuva (Talk) 21:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
I thought they were supposed to have three powers each as opposed to the Golden Masks' six, as in the Silver Hau, Kakama, and Pakari have the powers of all three, and the Silver Kaukau, Akaku, and Miru have the powers of all three. It was clearly non-canon, so it's not a big deal anyway. --Master Inika (Talk) 03:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
OK, that's what I thought. Gold represented all six masks, and Silver was just three masks. It's kinda weird that part never really stuck in the canon. Should we make a note about it somewhere? --Shadowfax (talk) 19:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
If anyone can find a source stating that was the purpose of the silver Kanohi, then yes? It doesn't seem like a good idea to add something with "citation needed." ~ Wolk (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't know where we could find something like that. It would have to be really old BIONICLE material (maybe a catalogue or manual from '02?), and the info probably wasn't that common, if it the silver Kanohi stuff was set aside in continuity. But I think it's important we find a source. --Shadowfax (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the silver Kanohi were always (or at least, since 2001) meant to represent the masks when they weren't being worn. Comic #3 shows Lewa's Miru turn silver when it comes off, and there's a 2001 promo render of Gali holding a silver Pakari she just retrieved. As far as I know, the only silver mask with the power of 3 masks is the Rua, which was represented in set form by the chrome Hau, not by any of the silver Kanohi from mask packs. - TuragaNuva 04:20, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
I was always under the impression that silver, at least in the set context (not the story context) was supposed to be three-powers, but it's one of those old things that we'd have a bit of difficulty sourcing. The silver Kanohi Nuva were definitely the "powerless" versions. -- Dorek Talk External Image 23:29, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I remember that the Toa Nuva's masks turned silver (or partly silver, depending on the depiction) when they lost their elemental powers. In BIONICLE Heroes, it's said that a silver Kanohi is uncharged with elemental energy, either from not being worn or being worn by someone with no elemental powers. -- Toa Jala Converse 03:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)