Talk:Kanohi

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I don't know if I am following proper format, I don't use wikis much. Sorry if I am doing this wrong. The Kanohi article says "Masks would be painted with a coloring additive after being made, to differentiate power level. Matoran masks would have silver paint added to the top half, Noble, black paint, and Great masks would remain one full color. On Mata Nui, this coloring eventually faded away from sun exposure and lack of maintenance." without citation. Regarding paint: What is the source that the colors are paint? Searching "paint" on Greg Archives, the only relevant result is someone asking Greg if Kanohi can be painted, and Greg saying they could be but "why would you want to?" The only thing Greg said, as far as I know, regarding how the silver and black are applied, is that it is a "special process": https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page57#post2256 So I think the Kanohi article is wrong to say that they are painted. And regarding that the coloring faded away from sun exposure and lack of maintenance: What is the source of this? In 2004, Greg said the silver is gone due to fading (https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page52#post2053) but did not say that the fading is a result of sun exposure or lack of maintenance, and in 2007, Greg said the powerless Kanohi on Mata Nui never had silver tops (https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page205#post8189). I like the former explanation better because presumably most Matoran on Mata Nui wear the same Kanohi that they wore on Metru Nui, but that still doesn't explain the source for "sun exposure and lack of maintenance" as the cause of fading. Is there any evidence that Kanohi even require maintenance?(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Turaga of Force)



About my last edit, I have only one source from the OGD.
Q: Hey Greg, is it possible to fuse two kanohi so you get a combined mask power?
A: No, you would not get a dual Kanohi, you would get a completely different mask power.
And so, I do not have more sources for the rest of my edit. But I believe to remember that it is impossible to fuse two Kanohi together, because melting a Kanohi would make leak its power, among other things.
For me, the exceptions of the Mask of Light and Shadow, Aki or Rua are due to the fact that these masks are created during a fusion.
I also made this edit to make you react, if you had other sources about this or something else, to complete/deny/confirm this information.

Du7734 (talk) 21:11, 7 July 2014 (CEST)

I don't remember the context of the answer, but it's possible he read the first "Kanohi" as "Kanoka". -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 02:15, 8 July 2014 (CEST)

Mahri Kanohi

In lieu of Greg's recent clarifications, do you think we might add a new section under "Forms" detailing the modified Kanohi worn by the Mahri? Greg has made a distinction between them and "regular" Kanohi, so I think the page ought to reflect that. I'd write it up myself, but I've got a jog scheduled. I'll check back in an hour or two. --Angel Bob (talk) 21:51, 19 September 2014 (CEST)

The idea has always sort of been around (seen on the Volitak page, specifically) but with the new awkward clarification, I suppose it could bear a mention. I think ideally it would just be on the individual pages, like Volitak is now, and not on the Kanohi page (although the whole image gallery of Kanohi could use a revamp as it is anyway). -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 22:07, 19 September 2014 (CEST)

Kiril vs. Pehkui

Shouldn't the Pehkui have a "No Image" image as a no ordinary Pehkui has ever been seen as in canon Norik's Pehkui is shaped as a Kiril to honour an old hero who wore a Kiril? I will change it to reflect this. --TonksM (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2015 (CEST)

Infobox Image

Why is the Vahi the image in the infobox? It doesn't really represent Kanohi as a whole. I think this image would make a much better candidate:

--Gresh113, Gla"Toa"rian of Air 19:05, 26 October 2015 (CET)

I agree. -- -- Toa Jala Converse 07:26, 22 January 2016 (CET)

Matoran Noble Kanohi

I have a question; what happens to a Matoran that wears a Noble Kanohi (obviously powerless since is a Matoran) turns into a Toa? --BIONICLE 4EVER (talk) 04:03, 22 January 2016 (CET)

I've often wondered that myself. Since Matoran Kanohi are powerless (with very few exceptions), I assume that any Kanohi exposed to Toa Energy would transform into a Great Kanohi. Any Kanohi made from a Kanoka with a power level of 6 or lower results in a powerless Kanohi. So if you think about it, the only real difference between, say, Macku's mask and Balta's mask is the shape. So maybe the resulting mask would have the power of a Great Kanohi, but maybe the shape of a Noble Kanohi? Or perhaps the transformation would automatically change the shape. Either way, I'm certain the result would be a Great Kanohi; it just may not look like one. -- -- Toa Jala Converse 07:26, 22 January 2016 (CET)
But I'm just speculating. -- -- Toa Jala Converse 07:44, 22 January 2016 (CET)

Pehkui/Kiril

Under the Great Masks section, there is the "No Image Available" image for the Pehkui, despite the Great Kanohi's official depiction with Norik. Furthermore, for the Kiril, the chart shows the Noble incarnation of the mask, as opposed to a picture of the Great version we never got. I assume the Pehkui's lack of a visual representation is due to the presence of the Kiril and both masks' identical appearance, but it seems to me the Great Kiril image should be removed from the Great masks chart (that image is already in the Noble masks section) and the Pehkui image should be moved in. --777stairs (talk) 02:57, 7 May 2016 (CET)

We only have images from the Noble version of the Kiril. And Norik's Pehkui is in the shape of a Noble Kiril, but still a Pehkui. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 11:27, 27 August 2016 (CET)

Metru mask pictures

In the image table we have set up, those metru mask pictures we have are pretty cringeworthy, and I know we have better ones...Intelligence4 (talk) 04:43, 10 May 2016 (CET)

I'd be down, but the only real alternative would be images from the instruction manuals, which aren't face-on (and File:Rau Great.png looks pretty bad). Thoughts? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:47, 7 June 2016 (CET)
Hmm, you're right those are pretty bad. I think they're better than the ones we have though - the only thing that bugs me about the instruction manual images is that they're colored so you can "see through" them. The fact that they're not face on shouldn't be an issue, I think. Are there really not any other images of the metru masks? O.O Intelligence4 (talk) 02:16, 16 June 2016 (CET)
Just went and looked at the [Rau] page, what about those info box images? Intelligence4 (talk) 02:18, 16 June 2016 (CET)

Matoran Mask Color

I'm not sure where this was said, perhaps the Metru Nui guide book? On this page, under "Mask Making", it says "Masks would be painted with a coloring additive after being made, to differentiate power level. Matoran masks would have silver paint added to the top half, Noble, black paint, and Great masks would remain one full color. Further; If Matoran masks were painted, Takua's mask changing color on its own would have stuck out like a soar thumb. Therefor; "Matoran masks, having no power, will not change color at all, making it necessary to paint them in their colors." is contridictary. ~ Wolk (talk) 11:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure where it was outlined, but I know it's why the 2004 Matoran sets had masks blended with silver, and Dume's mask was blended with black. At what point did Takua's mask change color? Master Inika (Talk) 17:47, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
The issue isn't with the Masks being lined with silver/black. The issue is the statement that was previously on the page saying Matoran masks are unable to change color depending on the wearer, instead remaining gray, and thus require to be painted. After Takua's mask broke in Metru Nui, he got his Pakari, which turned blue due to him subconsciously accessing his Av-Matoran camoflauge power. ~ Wolk (talk) 21:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
I think it's not that masks cannot change color, it's that they do not. Matoran masks won't change color when Matoran wear them normally. However Takua's changed since, like you said, he accessed his camouflage power. If anyone saw Takua put on the mask, they'd have known something was up, since if he were a Ta-Matoran, the mask would have stayed whatever color it was painted originally. (And presumably Takua didn't inquire too deeply into why his mask changed color.) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 01:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
In that case we'd only seen Matoran wearing gray masks though. Were they painted, that paint would too have faded in the sunlight as well. If anyone can find a source for Matoran masks not changing color, be my guest. ~ Wolk (talk) 09:41, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't follow... afaik Matoran masks are painted. Presumably they were bleached on Mata Nui just like the Matoran's armor was. The bleaching didn't turn their armor gray though, it just made the armor brighter, so if the Matoran's masks were painted, I don't see why they would turn gray. Agreed though, a source one way or the other would be good. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

The first quote in this thread seems to imply that only the silver strip was painted on to indicate that the mask had no powers. Perhaps the matoran masks did change color based on the wearer? I agree, a source one way or another would be good. I think it's possible we've been making an assumption all this time. Intelligence4 (talk) 17:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

I just realised that Jaller's mask is gray in the Ussanui set (however, the mask has since been retconned to be a noble mask.) I'm not sure where the bleach thing originates, it's not a thing I've heard about. ~ Wolk (talk) 08:37, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
i think this was in either a series book or a guide somewhere, I'll check and get back to you tomorrow. --"On the bounce and on the numbers, boys!!" ~Prof. Srlojohn 16:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I think Greg bounced back and forth on whether Kanohi masks' colors are determined by the wearer or just paint. We'll have to dive in Greg's quotes for this, but iirc the last change he made was that Matoran masks are grey when unworn and changes color depending on the wearer, thus making the Ussanui set depiction canon over the movie. The only paint that was applied was on Metru Nui where they differentiate mask classes.~Mattym
Yeah i'll start digging through my book collection and i'll have the answer in a few days.
Greg said that in his opinion, Matoran masks are colored even when unworn. However, he said this is his opinion, he did not say it is fact. I clearly remember reading this within the last week on the Greg archives website but I can't find the post(s) now. However, in other posts, he said most masks are gray when unworn.
June 2003: Hau on Ussanui is gray because it is unworn https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page9#post324
April 2004: "Under ordinary circumstances, a mask is gray when not being worn and turns color when put on. " https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page33#post1300
May 2004: "Every mask, when not being worn, is gray. They don't take on a color until a Toa, Turaga or Matoran puts them on. So Toa don't have masks that are "their own" -- they have masks they have found that change to their color when they put them on. " https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page34#post1359
January 2005: "They [mask makers] don't [choose mask colors]. With very few exceptions, masks are gray when they are created. They don't take on a color until someone puts them on. So, for example, Nokama would be wearing a Kaukau mask, and it would be blue -- but if she takes it off and gives it to Vakama, it will turn red when he puts it on." https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page78#post3086
May 2006: Greg forgot saying that his opinion was that Matoran masks are colored when unworn: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page133#post5304
May 2006: Greg specifying that the silver top is painted on [however, he did previously say that his opinion is that Matoran masks are colored when unworn, so he apparently DID forget that]: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page135#post5381
August 2007: "Masks in their natural (unworn) state are gray. They change color to match the color of the being who wears them as a natural property of protodermis. The only exceptions we have seen to this are the Vahi and the Ignika, which are Legendary masks and so in a different class. " https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page236#post9434 Turaga of Force (talk) 21:04, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Returning to this:

January 2004: Matoran masks turn silver when removed. https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page24#post925-line10-11
May 2004: The story team's feeling is that Matoran masks are colored when they are produced, and don't change color. https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page36#post1427-line11-12
September 2004: Greg is unsure if Matoran masks are grey when not worn. https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page52#post2053-line25,37
October 2004: "The silver top is evident even when the mask is not being worn. Masks are not colored by mask makers, in general, the adding of the silver is a special process. In a sense, the silver portions of the mask resist being colored when worn." https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page57#post2256-line9,19
October 2006: All masks except legendary Kanohi are grey when not worn. https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page157#post6278
July 2014: Takua's mask turned blue because the color had not been locked in. https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2013-2017/page362#post10523179-line2-3,6

Personally, I don't feel it makes much sense that they would be "dyed" for several reasons:

  • Takua's mask changing color would stand out significantly.
  • Jaller's mask in the Ussanui was doubtfully planned to be a Noble mask back then.
  • The masks change color (just like the body parts do) both when the Matoran are diminished, and when they are rebuilt. For instance, Mamoru and Ahkmou. The "sun bleach" theory (so-far not supported by any quotes) really doesn't hold up in explaining those cases, or how brown becomes darker, or how only certain colors (or color regions) are affected. It only works if you're only looking at the Matoran as plain green, red, and blue. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
I have several comments on this.
  • I think the new quote citing powerless masks needing coloring should be considered the most reputable because it is the only one coming from a wider story team, instead of just Greg alone, who was unsure of the answer.
  • I do not find it at all doubtfull that Jaller's mask was considered as noble mask by the time Ussanui came out. It was a late 2003 set tied in to the movie. 2004 was already fleshed out by that point and 2nd movie was well into development, so it shouldn't be surprising everyone was onboard with the idea. Greg even teased many times in late 2003 that we would learn about Lhii and his relationship with Jaller in 2004. Also there is this https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page9#post324-line1-2 Lastly to this point, there is also an out of universe reason for the Hau being gray - the set designers did not want to spoil the major plot of the movie (just like Takua Nuva/Takanuva name alteration).
  • The quote about Takua's mask color "not being locked in" is likely a misremembering/blunder by Greg, because it does not make sense even under the assumption that Matoran masks can auto-change. If they did, the mask wouldn't turn blue, it would turn to fit his color scheme as that is the proper function. Now I expect someone to point out that there are some other Matoran with mask colors not really fitting their color schemes, but the inability to change color would explain all of these instances - and it in fact does: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page35#post1396-line1,11 All of the quotes talking about the mechanics of color change refer to powered masks only.
  • We have visual sources confirming Matoran masks are indeed colored when not being worn: Metru CDs (powerless masks in the reclamation yard), MNOG and Mata Nui animations (Lewa's Miru is gray when unworn, but Chronicler's company's masks and Tamaru's mask remain colored when removed).--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Silver Kanohi

Does anyone know what the point was of the silver Kanohi from the old mask packs? I though there was only supposed to be one silver Kanohi for Wairuha? --Shadowfax (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, as far as I know, the silver masks meant to represent the unworn/powerless masks. — SurelNuva (Talk) 21:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
I thought they were supposed to have three powers each as opposed to the Golden Masks' six, as in the Silver Hau, Kakama, and Pakari have the powers of all three, and the Silver Kaukau, Akaku, and Miru have the powers of all three. It was clearly non-canon, so it's not a big deal anyway. --Master Inika (Talk) 03:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
OK, that's what I thought. Gold represented all six masks, and Silver was just three masks. It's kinda weird that part never really stuck in the canon. Should we make a note about it somewhere? --Shadowfax (talk) 19:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
If anyone can find a source stating that was the purpose of the silver Kanohi, then yes? It doesn't seem like a good idea to add something with "citation needed." ~ Wolk (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I don't know where we could find something like that. It would have to be really old BIONICLE material (maybe a catalogue or manual from '02?), and the info probably wasn't that common, if it the silver Kanohi stuff was set aside in continuity. But I think it's important we find a source. --Shadowfax (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the silver Kanohi were always (or at least, since 2001) meant to represent the masks when they weren't being worn. Comic #3 shows Lewa's Miru turn silver when it comes off, and there's a 2001 promo render of Gali holding a silver Pakari she just retrieved. As far as I know, the only silver mask with the power of 3 masks is the Rua, which was represented in set form by the chrome Hau, not by any of the silver Kanohi from mask packs. - TuragaNuva 04:20, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Unworn masks are gray. Silver masks have 3 powers. https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page174#post6931-line40,44,48-49,59-60(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Turaga of Force)
I was always under the impression that silver, at least in the set context (not the story context) was supposed to be three-powers, but it's one of those old things that we'd have a bit of difficulty sourcing. The silver Kanohi Nuva were definitely the "powerless" vbersions. -- Dorek Talk External Image 23:29, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I remember that the Toa Nuva's masks turned silver (or partly silver, depending on the depiction) when they lost their elemental powers. In BIONICLE Heroes, it's said that a silver Kanohi is uncharged with elemental energy, either from not being worn or being worn by someone with no elemental powers. -- -- Toa Jala Converse 03:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Because of recent update on Kanohi page, I have to revive this discussion. I feel strongly that all the stufff about silver kanohi having 3 powers should be "note-only" information, and the primary text on page should say it represents unworn Kanohi and/or Kanohi Rua. The 3 power silver mask info comes exclusively from Greg, while all of the published material says/shows them to be unworn masks: Comics, style guide, CDs, CG art, Bionicle heroes etc. The other purpose is them representing Kanohi Rua as evidenced by Bohrok Swarm CD and bionicle.com.--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
I am almost certain the design manual and CD are not referring to the mask pack Kanohi. They're from too early for that. In any case; I would agree that it belongs in the trivia, and would even say that we should make no assertion as to what the masks in the set represent, just present the three options given. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Is in necessary for it to refer to the physical product from 2002? What I mean by this, even the golden masks are present in these sources and we knew about htem from the start, yet the product only became available in 2002. And the silver masks are shown visually as representation of unworn masks. For both of these, concept and visual were established at least in 2000/2001 and made into plastic in 2002.--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Not necessarily, but I think it's a lot more difficult to say with certainty that the masks were introduced into the sets to serve that role when the only thing that makes that connection is BIONICLE Heroes, unlike the Golden Kanohi. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
What about the other sources I mentioned aside from the BIONICLE Heroes (and why wouldn't that source be enough anyway)? We see the silver masks in those and they are described as unworn Kanohi. I can't recall so please remind me, but BIONICLE Heroes references physical product in the bios doesn't it? I think these are two different discussions then: 1) what are silver kanohi in the story, 2) which of the story intepretations does the physical product represent. I am only talking about the 1st.--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
If it's only a matter of what silver Kanohi are in the story, then I don't think there is anything mutually exclusive between Aki/Rua, unworn Kanohi, and 3-power concepts. They're all silver (or gray). The Rua being titled the Silver Mask is no more a problem than the Aki being the Golden Mask, and the unworn ones are only described as silver/gray descriptively, not as a title. (Heroes titles them Protodermic Kanohi, the Design Manual says Unused Kanohi.) ~ Wolk (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
As for the product side, I believe based on the 2002 marketing, both the golden and silver masks represent two different things in plastic: golden = Aki/Golden Kanohi; silver = Rua/unworn masks. The fact that Aki and Rua can look like any of the six Mata masks is presented in Bohrok Swarms Promo CD and on bionicle.com[1] and I have discussed this in Rua talk page The whole stuff about 3 power silver masks being a scrapped concept I find somewhat suspicious - it was never mentioned in any promotional material or internal document, yet the Rua/unworn mask identity were. And even it if was a fleeting idea mentioned on some meeting, why assign it to a product released year after the whole quest to get golden kanohi (which silver kanohi would have been a 50% achievement of) was already finished? The gold and silver masks being found in krana packs is a way of giving plastic representation to concepts laid out in 2001, why shoehorn in a brand new retroactive concept that is never mentioned anywhere anyways? I'm not sure if we can trust Greg on this one, it does not add up from what I can see.--ToaKebaka (talk) 20:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
The unworn masks don't appear in 2002 marketing, only in 2001 marketing afaik? As for why the concept exists, I think Greg made that clear -- It's just some idea that marketing made up that didn't end up being used, and Greg even mentions that it's not in the story bible. Additionally, no marketing material I've found actually mentions the gold masks being the Golden Kanohi either (besides Heroes). All of the 02-03 material seems to indicate they're the Rua/Aki. But the gold Kanohi were surely made to be the golden masks, so maybe wires were getting crossed between teams?
Are the silver masks "canon"? I don't know, but they never actually existed. As I said initially, I'd be fine with moving them back into Trivia. ~ Wolk (talk) 21:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Alright then, I'm fine with it being in the trivia section. There probably isn't much more we can figure out unless more information is found regarding the chronology of ideas on those masks.--ToaKebaka (talk) 21:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
FWIW, Greg says he saw the Silver Masks as separate from gray powerless masks, citing the existence of silver Kanohi as a separate object. I haven't seen any Greg quotes where their existence is in dispute, and in one Greg does confirm that they are canon, to some degree or another. I'd argue, at any rate, that they have more of a basis in canon than the Hordika Combat Staffs which have a full page despite being absent in other media or story. The current position is preferable for me imo. --Gonel (talk) 03:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The problem I have with that quote is that Greg is merely expressing his personal opinion, he even says as much, but the materials from 2001 clearly show silver masks. And I wouldn't say silver masks in the context of being 3 power Kanohi had more presence than combat staffs - those had a dedicated CG animation, while silver Kanohi had none, not a single mention or showing.--ToaKebaka (talk) 05:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The Ussanui also depicts unworn Kanohi as gray, and that might be the only time that is undisputably one :) ~ Wolk (talk) 12:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
While that's a good point, I would point out that the same color is used for "active" color scheme of other characters such as Turaga Whenua. Silver masks from krana packs have a unique color not seen in any other place or color scheme, so it being dedicated to blank/neutral unworn masks that are not adapting their color to anyone's color scheme, seems more appropriate. CG, comics and flash animations always make the unworn Kanohi lighter gray/silver than dark gray lego color of Whenua. As to why the Hau is dark gray in the set, well for one it is to avoid a movie spoiler of Jaller's death.--ToaKebaka (talk) 20:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
True. I suppose the Silver Kanohi Nuva should also fall under the same banner, per the description in Heroes, so that's three vastly different set depictions in two years. But then, the same silver is used for Metrutoran masks but that silver is supposedly visually distinct :P Not complicated at all. ~ Wolk (talk) 11:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Elemental Masks

Greg says that since kanoka of all elements(besides sand) can exist, that they form masks of all elements. (Source #13) While we shouldn't make a page for them, as they are only theoretical, would adding those masks to the list be possible? If not, could I at least add a mention of them? Firespitter Lhii (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit- I see they're mentioned in trivia. But could and should they be added to the list, or are theoretical items not included in lists.Firespitter Lhii (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)


Actually all of them are listed on the Kanohi/Other Kanohi page right now.--Surel (Talk) 19:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Fusion Masks

In regards to the Aki, Rua, and tangentially, the Mask of Light & Shadow.

I've never seen any of these called Great Masks, rather the Aki is the Golden Mask of Valor, and the Rua the Silver Mask of Wisdom. Additionally, they contain multiple powers, more akin to the Golden Masks... Basically, what I'm getting at is, would it be more suitable to move them to their own category as fused masks? ~ Wolk (talk) 17:20, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

The Aki/Rua Nuva do make this a bit trickier though. Tangentially, the "Nuva" that we know are Great Masks, as Nuva masks can also exist as Nobles, which suggests they instead should be listed as a subsection of Great Masks... There is also the question in the back of my head of what masks the Turaga and Matoran Kaita/Nui wear... Given that Jaller wears a noble and the others powerless masks, that pretty much also confirms masks of differing power levels can fuse, suggesting fusion masks should be regarded as outside of that system. Also, maybe the "Types" and "Known Kanohi" sections should be merged? Or have the preface information from the Known Kanohi section moved up to the Types section, as they're just repeating the same section. This would make Known Kanohi purely a gallery. Any objection? ~ Wolk (talk) 02:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
It's said that Noble versions of the Aki and Rua can't exist. If Kanohi Kaita aren't considered Great, then that would make sense, as they can't be thought of as Noble either. Going back to Wolk's question, suppose three Toa fused and one was wearing a Noble Mask? Would the resulting mask be Great or Noble? It's a pickle, and I think the most practical way to resolve it is to make a separate category for Fusion Masks (or Fused Masks, I think would sound better). -- Toa Jala Converse 06:12, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
My thought exactly. And we know it is possible for them to fuse based on the Matoran Nui Jaller was a part of. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:22, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
True, I'd forgotten about that Here's my sandbox for if we were to add a "Fused Kanohi" section. -- Toa Jala Converse 03:02, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
I think that works. Been working on a larger rewrite on my own sandbox but it's not ready yet and more radical, I suppose. The two things I'd note is that the colspan on the box next to the Mask of Scavenging needs to be increased to 5, and I'd remove 'Great' from the MoLight/Shadow. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh, that's where I went wrong with the coding! Thanks. I like your format better because it conveys information better. If there are no objections, I'll implement my section now. -- Toa Jala Converse 05:23, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
  1. "Kanohi". BIONICLE.com. (archived on web.archive.org)