Talk:Masks of Power

Question: couldn't we use the image of the Mask of Ultimate Power on a pedestal at the end of the animation? It would seem that image would depict it in more clear detail than the current image. --Angel Bob (talk) 20:57, 13 October 2014 (CEST)

Just saying, the golden masks aren't called Mask of element_here Power. It's just the odd way the pages are set up...

Masks: Mask of Fire and Golden Mask of Fire Powers: Fire control and resistance to heat.

There are no spaces in between. So its supposed to be like this.

Masks: Mask of Fire and Golden Mask of Fire

Powers: Fire control and resistance to heat.

--Boidoh (talk) 22:01, 13 October 2014 (CEST)

This may sound like a stupid question to ask, but why is Lewa's mask called "Jungle Mask" instead of "Mask of Jungle"? --Collector1100 (talk) 05:38, 20 October 2014 (CEST)

Because that's the way it's written on the official site. And yeah it's stupid, and yeah it's probably a mistake; unfortunately, it's official, so until we see otherwise, that's how it has to stay for now. --Master of the Rahkshi ^{Ask, and ye shall receive. Eventually.} 05:51, 20 October 2014 (CEST)

Thank you for clarifying! --Collector1100 (talk) 09:23, 20 October 2014 (CEST)

Ekimu's New Mask

I think it should be noted that the mask given to Ekimu by the Protectors may not even be a Mask of Power, ie. it may be powerless. However, I don't know where we should list it, if at all. --Angel Bob (talk) 15:14, 17 December 2014 (CET)

Footnotes? --Boidoh (talk) 15:16, 17 December 2014 (CET)

Well, we see a lot of other beings wearing masks that are presumably NOT masks of power (unless it ends up being Villager Masks of Power, in which case lordy what's the point just use Kanohi), so it's possibly a powerless mask. I wouldn't say it needs mentioning just yet on this page, although definitely on Ekimu's page. -- Dorek _Talk 18:34, 17 December 2014 (CET)

Sooo... Gallery of "Other" masks to throw in this one and generics? I know I've made the argument before about there maybe being a distinction between Masks of Power and just masks, but it does seem to be a (wordy) catch-all. --~|RC|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs)

The Website calls this Ekimu's Golden Mask. Should we move it to golden masks, next to the Golden Mask of Skull Spiders? --N.S.M.8 (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2015 (CEST)

Golden Mask of Jungle

In the Lego Club Magazine, it says "With the Golden Mask, [Lewa] can channel the regenerating resilience on the forest." Do you think this means he gets regen powers?

Debatably. He'll get some power, but it's mostly just LEGO trying to find six different ways of saying "the power of [element]" =P. -- Dorek _Talk 21:46, 30 December 2014 (CET)

Switch back to Golden Mask of Jungle

Anyone notice that in the Lego Club Bionicle Mini-Magazine that the jungle masks are referred to as Mask of ___, not ___ Mask? Should we update all the pages relating to the masks of jungle? -SuperGeniusCreator

Actually, everywhere but the Lego magazine refers to it as "Jungle Mask". And consistently too, either it is a mass typo, or just a Lego magazine mistake. --Gresh113, Toa of Air (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2014 (CET)

Technically the magazine refers to it as "Golden Mask of the Jungle", so not necessarily its official title.

That aside, it's likely at least a few places will refer to it as "Golden Mask of Jungle" so it's a bit hard to tell at this point. -- Dorek _Talk 18:21, 31 December 2014 (CET)

Island of Lost Masks references both the "Shrine of the Mask of Jungle" and "Golden Mask of Jungle." Should we chance them now? Doesn't mention Vizuna's mask, though. Master Inika ^(Talk) 16:10, 14 September 2015 (CEST)

I don't mind, but I'd like to leave the note. The website also calls the power drained version (on Slicer's page) "Golden Mask of Jungle", so presumably there was a copy and paste error SOMEWHERE, but who knows at what point that was. -- Dorek _Talk 00:31, 15 September 2015 (CEST)

Mask of Time

Where was this revealed? I'm not seeing it on BZP anywhere. --Vartemp ^Talk 23:21, 15 January 2015 (CET)

It's in BIONICLE: The Journey Begins! Scans are here. -- Dorek _Talk 00:05, 16 January 2015 (CET)

So, anyone else thinking we could probably give the Mask of Time (Generation 2) it's own article given the recent revelations in the books and graphic novels? --Wiriamu (talk) 23:30, 19 January 2016 (CET)

Yeah, probably. I'm getting the GN's in later today, so I'll probably make it after that. -- Dorek _Talk 23:54, 19 January 2016 (CET)

Mask of Strength/Mask of Speed

Where is it mentioned that there is a Mask of Strength and a Mask of Speed? I can't find it in the page cited. --Jswanson37 (talk) 3:14, 18 August 2015 (CET)

If you click on "The Forge" a box shows up with that info. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 05:25, 18 August 2015 (CEST)

Better Quality Skull Army Mask Images

VK has some. The catch is that they are edited to work as cutout, real-life paper masks, so someone would have to clean the images up a bit before we could use them here.

https://vk.com/newlegobionicle?w=wall-83534867_9591 Tazakk (talk) 19:19, 19 August 2015 (CEST)

Ugh LEGO just give us those images already I know you have them.

I'll get Swert to work on them. -- Dorek _Talk 20:32, 19 August 2015 (CEST)

Horns

At the risk of starting another Trinuma debate, What source is there that says Kulta's horns are considered part of his mask?Takhamavahu 20:59, 1 October 2015 (CEST)

The Kulta mask image is what the website provides, and is the only actual skull mask identified on the main site itself. I debated on whether or not it was unique or not, but I'm inclined to think it is. -- Dorek _Talk 23:25, 1 October 2015 (CEST)

Creature Masks?

Um...is there any actual media that refers to the Elemental Creatures' heads as Creature Masks?--Wiriamu (talk) 08:43, 26 January 2016 (CET)

Set pages. -- Dorek _Talk 17:18, 26 January 2016 (CET)

Citations

Where are the citations for all the new info on here? For instance, i was reading the section that's under the spoiler heading at the moment, but i couldn't find a citation for it. Intelligence4 (talk)

When the source is the story material itself, I don't think we normally use citations. Citations come along, generally, when the material comes from extra sources like the LMBs. ζox• ^Histories

This is why I created Template:BookCitation, which people should start using. -- Dorek _Talk 11:31, 12 February 2016 (CET)

Non-canon masks

Do we really need these non-canon masks, such as the SDCC Bull Skull Mask, on this page? I think their place is the Gallery:Masks of Power. -- 19:41, 14 August 2016 (CET)

Yeah, anything like those promotional masks aren't really a fit. I know I've sort of stretched the definitions in the past (i.e. Kopaka's drained ice mask...) but those promotional masks are better off in the gallery. -- Dorek _Talk 22:13, 14 August 2016 (CET)

SDCC Mask Quantities?

I was thinking about taking a crack at writing the G2 part of the Collectibles page and was doing some research to prep. Can anyone verify the claim that 800 of the clear Masks of Fire were given away at SDCC 2014? I haven't been able to find a source to corroborate that claim. Also, was the quantity of Skull Scorpio masks released at SDCC 2015 ever known? --Volitak Boxor (talk) 00:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

There was definitely an identifiable quantity at NYCC and they were distinguishable somehow from the special event that was there, but I can't quite remember how or where. I want to say it was 1k total.

Don't think there was a given number for SDCC ones, alas. -- Dorek _Talk 07:45, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

I was trying to find the source for the "800 clear Masks of Fire given away at SDCC", and after checking the revision history, I saw a source in an edit description; it was in a comment on a page already linked as a source. Just wanted to copy the link onto an actual page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ahava516/15314313268/#comment72157648218322410. I wonder how the neon Skull Scorpio mask quantity compares to the clear Mask of Fire. I'd expect that they're reasonably similar, due to similar eBay availability and aftermarket prices, but that's just speculation. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 01:54, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

This still isn't a direct quote, but at least one of the minifigs given away at SDCC 2015 was produced in a run of 1500: http://sdccblog.com/2015/07/lego-san-diego-comic-con-2015-exclusives/. Between this and the 1500 clear Masks of Fire, I'd conjecture that it's pretty likely that 1500 neon Skull Scorpio masks were produced. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 02:19, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Gen 2 Kanohi

Is it really legit to have Gen 2 Masks of power on the Kanohi page when Gen 2 Masks were never actually called Kanohi in the 2015 reboot.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Yep. They're the same concept, they just have different names. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 23:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Skull Creature Masks

Weird question, but I stumbled upon this fanmade checklist on TTV for the masks. The Skull Creature masks there are images I hadn't seen before, and look like something they would have put on the website (which I don't think they ever did except for Kulta). Anybody know where they came from or how to find them? -- Dorek _Talk 06:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Third dual element mask

While doing research for G2, I noticed something important in the Battle of the Mask Makers graphic novel. During the tour of the Forge, when Makuta brings his stash of new masks to show them to Protectors, aside from tree-growing and tree-cutting masks, there is actually a third mask present in the same box. It has a top corresponding to the same color used for Protector Mask of Ice, which leads me to believe it is supposed to be a third combination mask utilizing the remaining two elements not represented in the former dual masks: ice and stone. This should be on the Mask page with an explanatory note perhaps, with a visual from page 12 where this takes place.--ToaKebaka (talk) 17:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Not sure the visuals are enough to go on to discern what it's made of (I'd have to check how the other two were depicted), but yes, it should be on there as an unknown mask. ~ Wolk (talk) 19:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

The dual element masks are simply protector masks with top and bottom halves being different colors depending on the elements involved in their creation. Of the third mask, only the top color is visible and it is a light blue. When compared to tree-growing mask (depicted on the same page) which has blue bottom half, the third mask is noticably much lighter shade of blue. The two blues are also found on elemental "tips" of the protector masks of Uganu and Owaki for further comparison (check page 14 or 31). Considering the following: 1) the dark blue is confirmed to represent element of water in the tree-growing mask and on protector mask of water, 2) light blue represents ice on protector mask of ice, 3) ice and stone are only two elements not already contained in either of dual masks, 4) the third mask was brought in as part of a set of three masks - it is reasonable to believe that the third mask is meant to be a stone/ice dual mask with visible upper half being ice-colored, completing the three mask set Makuta has brought for demonstration. Each element is accounted for that way and it certainly makes sense Makuta would try all elements for combinations as proof of concept. I believe this is what the artwork is implying here as part of visual storytelling.--ToaKebaka (talk) 19:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Are their colors consistent with JtO? I think it being ice & stone is reasonable, but if we don't see the lower part, that might fall under speculation still... ~ Wolk (talk) 20:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

In JtO Makuta only holds two masks, one in each hand, and their colors are inverted compared to the graphic novel.--SurelNuva (Talk) 21:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

The colors are consistent with JtO, only switched out between upper/lower half. The flashback in JtO is only adapted in bullet points, so we don't see the third mask or much of the scene in general. Anyway I think the mask should be added and the stuff about it probably being stone/ice dual element mask should be in a note.--ToaKebaka (talk) 22:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

New Protector masks

In Battle of the Mask Makers, Ekimu gives the old protectors 6 new masks, which are the same shape as their old ones and also can only draw channel power that the Okotan wearer already possesed , but are said to be made from the Elemental Crystals, and imbued with greater elemental energy. Maybe this was confused with the Golden Masks of Power, or they were different and both were made using these crystals, but either way, these new masks, which were also presumably the only masks the current protectors wore, are not mentioned as their own things and not said to have been created with the Elemental Crystals obtained from the Elemental Creatures. I am by no means a G2 expert though, so I will leave this to someone else who hopefully knows more, and try to do it myself if this gets ignored or buried for a while. I know the masks were made with elemental crystals and it says as such, but the special ones from the elemental creatures are only said to have been used to forge the Golden Masks of Power. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 02:09, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

"Shortly before the Battle of the Mask Makers, Ekimu provided the Protectors' with masks that were more powerful than those they'd previously worn."

I'm not sure what it is that is missing? ~ Wolk (talk) 09:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

On this page, the only thing that may be considered missing is the older, weaker protector masks from the table, as they were unique masks with visual depictions, notable in that they weren't made using the Energy Crystals from the Elemental Creatures. I get if they aren't put on here though, as they are effectively the same and look the same, it just may need rewording as to not say the weaker ones were worn by the Current Protecters. I originally was making this on the Elemental Crystals talk page, and on both the Mask Makers page and the Elemental Crystals page, I feel like this isn't properly mentioned, and with the statement that the Elemental Crystals were specifically for the creation of the Golden Masks(something which may be true, but also may be put into question by this if they were specifically gathered to create these powerful masks), and I also don't know if it was the same set of Elemental Crystals from the Elemental Creatures that made both these and the Golden Masks, or if they are seperate. This page is more-or-less fine, but those other pages need revision. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

The Elemental Creatures' masks being fused to their faces?

Hi, guys. I see that the Elemental Creatures wear masks, but where does it say that the masks are fused to their faces?Lenny7092 (talk)

This is probably a case of self-evident information - the creatures are stated to have masks, yet the actual build uses the pieces as heads. Since every other being in Bionicle G2 who wears a mask has it attached to a separate head with a pop-off feature, this being a mask fused to the face is kind of the only reasonable conclusion. At least I assume that is the origin of that information. I myself was never able to find any other citation for this.--ToaKebaka (talk) 09:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I would go with TJO, as it portrayed them as parts of their heads, the Creatures open their mouth to "bite" on the Toa masks/heads to connect the two masks, and technically each Creature is an extention of the elements themselves, just like the Toa, so being their masks a natural part of then makes the most sense.--SurelNuva (Talk) 10:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

You're right, that too.--ToaKebaka (talk) 10:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)