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Walkthrough Tips

Hey, I don't know if I drowned this out in all my Appearances revisions, but I gave you a few pointers for your walkthrough over on its talk page. It's a really good idea, and I want to see it executed perfectly. :) --Angel Bob (talk) 02:35, 15 August 2014 (CEST) I already saw. By the way, this isn't the talk page. :P --Boidoh (talk) 02:38, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Well, now it is. --Boidoh (talk) 02:38, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

About this reference

So, I just saw you began to make edits based on this quote. I think there are a few problems with that quote. I think it should be brought to Greg attention that this contradict pretty much every media in which Aqua Magna and Bota Magna were featured in 2009 and 2010 - Journey's End, Mata Nui Saga, and Sahmad's Tale, among others. I think he forgot this "detail". maxim21 18:52, 20 August 2014 (CEST)

Not really, Venus is called the Morning/Evening Star, it is really just a descriptor of it. --Boidoh (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2014 (CEST)
Has always been just orbiting Solis Magna: https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-General/Chat-with-Greg-Farshtey/m-p/10899449/highlight/true#M248627 --Boidoh (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2014 (CEST)
Well, the Chapter 10 of Mata Nui Saga directly states they are in orbit around Bara Magna, BIONICLEstory is also quite clear about that and I'm quite sure there are quite a few other places where this is explicitly stated. That clearly seems like a "forgetcon". maxim21 19:03, 20 August 2014 (CEST)
Into orbit around WHAT. It did not say. For the site thing, that would be considered Promotional Materials. --Boidoh (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2014 (CEST)
And plus, Greg never even worked on the Mata Nui Saga. And in that thing, the entire Bota Magna crashed into Teridax. It isn't a very good source of stuff. --Boidoh (talk) 19:09, 20 August 2014 (CEST)
Yeah, sure, BIONICLEstory, the official site about BIONICLE story, is just promotional material... Don't see any point in arguing with that. I'll just bring the point on the LMB thread, that'll be actually more productive. maxim21 19:57, 20 August 2014 (CEST)
Regardless of how this turns out, Boidoh, please hold off from continuing to edit in new info if someone challenges it... that way if Greg confirms it, we can be certain we're adding in valid info, and if he denies it, we won't have to revert anything. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:33, 20 August 2014 (CEST)

I think I've managed to make sense of it in this BZP post, so I'm not going to challenge it anymore.

BTW, Greg recently confirmed that the Agori who captured Lewa were of the Jungle Tribe, or at least that's what he seemed to be saying. Would someone mind adding that while I go on a jog? --Angel Bob (talk) 22:02, 20 August 2014 (CEST)

To throw in my own historical perspective... if Greg is wrong, then he's wrong. He's not infallible. He has told us as much, and there have been instances over the years that prove it. He also is (was, at least) not the be-all, end-all source of BIONICLE story, as pointed out. There was a team in place, and its between them that the world was developed. He is the only one available now, true, but it's something to keep in mind. That doesn't mean he can't be trusted; to think otherwise devalues him as a source.
That said... providing him with (intentionally or not) false or poor contextual clues also is harmful to his credibility. Creating more opportunities for ambiguity or debate runs counter to the idea of him doing his best to provide us with concrete detail, and damages the purpose of the LMB board.
There is a difference between a deliberate, or otherwise purposeful, retcon (see: Earth Tribe, which I'm growing fonder of), and him genuinely not being up to speed or not remembering certain parts of the story (I love the term "Forgetcon" and I'm totally using it). In this specific case, it almost certainly seems like the latter (since the two planetoids were variously referred to as "moons", implying a lack of their own orbit). Obviously if it's a matter of "BIONICLE-science" then there is, can, and should be a debate on the matter. But if I asked Greg "Tahu is pink so does that mean he is a Toa of genderbending" and Greg said "yes", that does not make Tahu a Toa of genderbending. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 00:47, 21 August 2014 (CEST)

That's very true. Boidoh, I appreciate the work you're doing with Greg, but it seems like a lot of the time, your end goal is to extort answers from Greg that you want to hear; would it be possible to change tactics, and focus on just asking him a question and waiting to see his response? You pestered the poor man half to death on Lehvak-Kal, and while it did end in a triumph of logic and physics over Greg's longstanding apathy, it kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

If you're going to ask about matters that are noticeably disputed, such as the moons thing, I think the only ethical thing to do is to present both sides of the argument reasonably and rationally. You could have asked, "When separated from Bara Magna, did Aqua Magna and Bota Magna orbit Solis Magna as their own planetoids, or did they orbit Bara Magna as moons? Many sources in canon describe them as moons of Bara Magna, but I think that could be poetic license. Would you mind confirming for me whether they were moons or planets?"

That way, Greg would have seen the arguments from both sides and been reminded that canon had previously referred to them as moons, and he could have taken that into account in his answer. If he were really convinced that Bota Magna and Aqua Magna should have their own orbits around Solis Magna, he would have specified that, but if he were unsure or simply forgetful, he would have been reminded of the canon specification and been able to fall back on that. You see what I'm saying?

In fact, I think the best thing to do would be to ask the question over again, and this time, mention that canon always calls them moons. "In two previous answers, you said that Bota Magna and Aqua Magna were separate planets from Bara Magna, and orbited Solis Magna on their own. However, others have reminded me that many canon sources refer to them as moons of Bara Magna. I think that could be poetic license, but what do you think?"

Would you mind doing that? Fessing up and presenting the other side of the argument so Greg can consider it would bring a peaceful end to this whole mess, and I think it would make people on both BS01 and BZP think a little higher of you. Okay? --Angel Bob (talk) 01:01, 21 August 2014 (CEST)

First of all, I am not trying to extort details from Greg. The only time I recall doing that was with Lehvak-Kal and a couple Rahi. Shore Turtles and Fikou. It may interest you to know, and may not sound very true, but I WANTED them as moons after finding out AM had a moon. Then I asked Greg if they orbited Bara Magna, because it seemed kinda odd... Then he said no... So I stuck to what he said, and have since been accused of trying to trick a forgetful author.

I asked it over, about 2 or 3 times stating about the Morning Star thing, how tTV could still be relevant, and just now.

Also, as a question to all. Am I practically hated for changing(Well Greg did it not me...) what you know about BIONICLE? Seeing as you said about clearing my reputation on the BZP post...

And I like your idea of the alignment of the planets, it sounded really cool and I asked Greg about it. --Boidoh (talk) 03:02, 21 August 2014 (CEST)

It doesn't seem like anyone ever responded to you about this, but to make a response, it isn't the information that earns you a certain degree of resentment, it is the manner in which you are perceived to acquire it. As Angel said, reading your question posts and your follow-ups, it reads like you are pushing Greg towards a particular answer that you have in your mind as the answer you want. The changing of how we view BIONICLE is not something unusual. Our views were changed when Metru Nui was discovered, and when the Robot was revealed. You may not see yourself as doing this, but that is how it has come across, particularly with Lehvak-Kal. We may express rejection of the information, but that is simply an extension of our distress at how we see it having been procured. ζox• Histories external image


Response

Hi there! Yes, I am the same person from the Club Penguin Wiki. However, I have never ever been involved with anything related to Animal Crossing, so not sure where you got that. Anyway, I've been delving into the online LEGO community, and with the rumor that BIONICLE is returning, I thought to myself "Why not?" And here I am!

Toa Green Ninja (talk) 02:31, 10 September 2014 (CEST)

Troll

Boidoh stinks. Jakura (talk) 21:33, 28 September 2014 (CEST)

What did I do? --Boidoh (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2014 (CEST)

Protector Masks

(Because leaving a comment can explain rationale so much better than limited space edit lines.)

I'm genuinely curious - has it been said that they are wearing Masks of Power? (Power being the operative word here.) Clearly they're wearing masks. And the solicitation biography for the Protector of Fire does at the very least label it as a simple mask, but that has everything to to do with toy gimmicks and nothing with story. But are they really Masks of Power? Given that all villagers appear to wear identical masks, it seems somewhat unlikely. And unless they are eventually explained as having unique abilities, we shouldn't be assuming that they're all different either - based solely on that, well, they the same, just in different colors (thus not deserving of their own listings or images until we explicitly know that they are... otherwise just one should be listed and acknowledged as being made in a multitude of colors). --~|RC|~ (Talk/Contribs)

Well, you are thinking about this the wrong way. Even though they are called Masks of Power, they don't have to have any real powers. Think of them as simple Powerless Kanohi masks. Anyway, Masks of Power is supposed to be the replacement term for Kanohi in this universe. And more proof: go to the 0:29 mark of The Legend, it will mention that the Mask Makers created Masks of Power. At the same time, you see a revolving image of a mask that is the same shape as the Protector's ones. Hopefully that makes sense! Toa Green Ninja - Bearer of the Mask of Spinjitzu (talk) 23:36, 13 October 2014 (CEST)
Oh, it's not like the thought hadn't occurred to me. Just explaining all the possibilities.
However, what of them actually being unique masks? We don't have six entries on the Kanohi page for a red Hau, blue Hau, brown Hau, green Hau, black Hau, and white Hau. We just have a Hau entry, because that's all that is needed.
We don't know if these are unique or not, and it should not be assumed to be so either way (that they are or that they are not). That they are entirely identical in design does make me question whether they are, though. And if so, they shouldn't all be listed. --~|RC|~ (Talk/Contribs)
I'm going to make an edit on the page, and you can tell me if that is good for now... Toa Green Ninja - Bearer of the Mask of Spinjitzu (talk) 23:45, 13 October 2014 (CEST)
It seems perfectly satisfactory to me for now, until we know more. (But watch somebody come along and disagree. xP Just like with the elemental mask articles, which I felt were fine to have around already... Oh well.) --~|RC|~ (Talk/Contribs)

The implication of the video is that they're masks of power, since it seems an odd stylistic choice to display pictures of the Protector masks as your example of a Mask of Power if they aren't one. Not impossible to consider otherwise, of course (if nothing else, it's what we're used to), but if they aren't powered masks the page probably needs a rethink in title and structure.

Unrelated, but pleaaaaaaaaase please please try and format image titles better. Run-on filenames are the worst, and it's a royal pain to have to rename them. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 23:56, 13 October 2014 (CEST)

I'm not afraid to admit I forgot something when making my initial edit. :P Yes, it would be weird for those two to be juxtaposed in the video (which I hadn't recalled at the time) and not take away that they are indeed Masks of Power of some kind... --~|RC|~ (Talk/Contribs)

Greg Answers vs. Established Canon

Greg recently said in the LMB thread, in response to a specific query, that if his recent answer contradicted established canon, established canon should win out. I think that's a pretty good policy for Greg answers in general, wouldn't you agree? I don't want another moons vs. planets argument, and I don't think you do, either. --Angel Bob (talk) 02:17, 19 October 2014 (CEST)

I suppose. Though I didn't ask the Piraka question this time, I just asked if they would also have spines. :P Though I doubt this one would cause as much trouble as the moons thing. As a side note, I'm working on a super-secret thing concerning the moons vs. planets debate. Though I'll shove that aside for some time. The most important things at this point are The Fikou Nature Documentary and Lord of the Spiders. Those two things are the greatest ideas I ever heard in my life...
Yeah... So I reasked Greg, this time telling him that he previously stated blah blah blah to see what he says. --Boidoh (talk) 02:22, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
It's an interesting point regarding "established canon" in that does it apply to "established non-canon" as well? More specifically, for the Fikou-Nui; back in the days of the BSS, we decided that there were not enough arguments for it to be made canon, and so it was put aside and not brought to Greg. Even if Greg was ever given a list of things "not pre-approved", which he wasn't, he likely wouldn't have remembered anyway. Regardless of that, does that mean his answer violated "established non-canon"? Food for thought. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 02:34, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
Though with the Fikou-Nui, Greg only confirmed it is a canon rahi, nothing more, yet. If established non-canon doesn't contradict established canon, and if the established non-canon gets turned canon by some Fikou lover, then there is no reason why it SHOULDN'T be canon... --Boidoh (talk) 03:17, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
I saw this quote days ago, and was going to mention it here, but I forgot. However, I agree with Boidoh's last comment here.--Willess12 (talk) 03:21, 19 October 2014 (CEST)

Not saying I'm going to change it (necessarily), just that it bears thinking. Does Greg's previous acceptance of what the BSS did, dividing "good" potential canon from "bad" potential canon have any bearing on future canon? Personally, I'd like to think it does. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 03:33, 19 October 2014 (CEST)

Hermit

All it takes is one Google search. You really don't need to ask Greg such an inane question. :P --Angel Bob (talk) 15:12, 18 November 2014 (CET)

Everything must go through Greg... Or else! :P
Well... Erm... In truth, I never thought of doing a Google search since, well, I thought it was like a BIONICLE thing... So if it was not on BS01, I thought it wouldn't be anywhere else... Then at one point I thought it was a frog. I confused hermit for Kermit it seems. --Boidoh (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2014 (CET)

Uploading Images

Just so you know, when you upload a picture, any comments you make in the "Summary" field end up as the file's description, visible on its page. Which then have to get removed. Easier to not say anything there since there isn't a proper comments field. ;) --~|RC|~ (Talk/Contribs)

K. --Boidoh (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2014 (CET)

Welcome back!

-- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:02, 10 February 2017 (CET)

And again! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Another one -- DJ Khaled -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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