Talk:Toa Hagah

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Matoran Kanohi

I don't know if you guys are aware, but...


I was sure that the Toa Hagah didn't wear the same masks before they became Teridax's bodyguards, and I think in 2005 or 2006 it was confirmed that they had different masks. So I was right before one of the fans got Greg to canonize that the Hagah wore the same masks :D -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 21:32, 27 September 2016 (CET)
Yep :P! Like was said in the guy's question, it wouldn't make sense they have the same mask. Hopefully their pages will get fixed soon :P.
I'm not sure this quote is valid, since it suffers from the very problem Greg expose in its answer: only a partial context is given. What was given to the Toa Hagah upon their nomination were metal-colored Kanohi in precious materials (and armor) - for some of them shaped like different Kanohi to honor heroes from the past (Norik's Pehkui) - not standard Kanohi. This just implied they had the same Kanohi (non-metal, non-precious) before their nomination. --maxim21 17:57, 28 September 2016 (CET)
Why would they get the same masks in different forms? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 18:19, 28 September 2016 (CET)
To honor past heroes. It's what's written under the "Recruitement" section, maybe it's not clear enough, though? --maxim21 18:49, 28 September 2016 (CET)

Actually that raises a good question. The article says all the Hagah's masks honored past heroes, but when was that confirmed? I know for sure Norik's did, but I don't know about Iruini or the others. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 04:32, 29 September 2016 (CET)

It's probably not the first, but here's a Greg quote from the old OGD, published Mar 25 2005, 12:07 AM by Planetperson that confirms it:
7. The Toa Hagah's Kanohi/armor honor past heroes, not neccessarily Toa, correct?
7) Correct, and it is only the masks that honor them, not the armor.
--maxim21 06:28, 29 September 2016 (CET)
Well, how about someone just go ask Greg, and give him full context.

Interesting that the person specified "past heroes", I don't think I ever picked up on that nuance. Anyway, Greg's more recent answer linked above makes it pretty clear; why would the Toa receive new masks of old powers? Everything seems pretty clear; they all got brand new masks. -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:29, 29 September 2016 (CET)

Because it was stated six years ago on the OGD when ankyfdarkness asked it, the 4th of august 2010 at 06:46 PM :
1: Before the Toa Hagah became Teridax’s guard were their mask powers the same as they are now?
1) Yes
Du7734 15:32, 20 October 2016 (CET)

Originally, the first answer was that their new masks were given to them by their former Teams. But I wouldn't argue with the Web of Shadows' Appendix which says that the Toa Hagah's masks were created by Matoran, who were enslaved by the Brotherhood, and that was 11 years ago, not just six. Then came the day the light of truth drawned, and the Toa were confronted by a horrible reality. Makuta, and the Brotherhood to which he belonged, were not protecting Matoran. They were opressing and enslaving them. Even the very masks Norik and the others wore had been forged by Matoran working under threat of punishment --- or worse. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 15:47, 20 October 2016 (CET)
But this information from the Web of Shadows's Appendix is completely different (but complementary) from(/with) the information brought by the Q/A that I've mentionned. So I don't get your point.
And actually, the fact that the Hagah's masks could have been manufactured by enslaved Matoran AND then given to the Hagah's teammates to be offered to Norik&Co is entirely possible.
Du7734 11:46, 21 October 2016 (CET)

You didn't understand, the WoS' Appendix was the first "answer", and it was 11 years ago, not just 6, so the fans' things are contradicting not the official information from the book. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 14:30, 21 October 2016 (CET)
The Q&A is not contradicting anything. As Du7734 said, the Hagah's masks might still have been made by enslaved Matoran and gifted to them by their teammates.
~ OnionShark

Split Toa Hagah into two subpages

Alright, I've been thinking. There are two groups(?) known as Toa Hagah, the Toa Hagah as Makuta bodyguards and -- the most known ones -- Makuta Teridax's Toa Hagah. This makes it a bit confusing in the page itself. To better distinguish between the two, I'd suggest make another page about the Toa Hagah, maybe called "Teridax's Toa Hagah", the negative about this it that it'll make the main Toa Hagah page rather small. --- Creep

Or the other page could be called "Toa Hagah/Teridax's"? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 21:38, 12 November 2016 (CET)
Also, can't we do the same thing with the Toa Hordika page? We have Savage, who's a Toa Hordika but not the part of the team. So shouldn't we separate the page into "Toa Hordika" and "Toa Hordika/Metru", or "Metru Toa Hordika", or "Toa Metru Hordika"? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:04, 13 November 2016 (CET)
I don't think we should bother separating them; i think anyone reading the pages can gather what they're about easily enough. 00:08, 14 November 2016 (CET)


Surel removed him from the list of makuta that had toa hagah, but then onionshark readded him, totalling the number of hagah teams at 7 again. so... did spiriah have hagah or not? Intelligence4 (talk) 22:12, 26 February 2017 (CET)

See here. ~OnionShark 22:18, 26 February 2017 (CET)

In response to this post, that's right, we don't know, and that's why there's no reason to assume that Spiriah didn't have a team. Case closed (hopefully). ;) ~OnionShark 22:23, 26 February 2017 (CET)

'Till we got the answer. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:27, 26 February 2017 (CET)
to be honest, i'm still confused about the whole timeline thing - but imo that was just a flaw of bionicle generally (lots of events seemed to happen towards the beginning, and lots towards the end, but not a whole lot in the middle to connect them.) anyway, i guess we'll just wait for greg to clarify, and hope he does it within the next two days haha. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:32, 26 February 2017 (CET)
There's not really a problem with the timeline – yes, Terry's team must have been made 7,000 years ago or less, but don't assume that all Toa Hagah teams were formed at the same time. And I don't think Greg is gonna give an answer that he knows is gonna contradict preestablished canon. ~OnionShark 00:11, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Case closed.(for real this time) ~OnionShark 19:11, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I edited the pages. I'll add the '05 & TMC RefSquares to the date, for the Web of Shadows is the first source which mentions the creation of the Toa Hagah, and the TMC says that the Toa Hagah was employed by the BoM before the Raid on Artakha. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 20:04, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I almost don't want to dig this up again, but idk if this little piece of info will affect the debate that was going on here a while ago about the timing of spirah's hagah team: according to this link, spiriah's hagah were assigned to other duties after he was exiled. Intelligence4 (talk) 22:41, 3 May 2017 (CET)
We already resolved that debate, maybe you're talking about that debate going on on SN's talk page? ~OnionShark 10:26, 6 May 2017 (CET)
/shruggie Intelligence4 (talk) 22:55, 7 May 2017 (CET)