User talk:Surel-nuva

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Videos

Just wanted to give a big thank you for updating all those video links! Good stuff. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:39, 27 August 2017 (CET)

I wonder why we don't use the reference/citation format what I used in the video names, and on the Aquatic Power Blade instead of the reference list. Sometimes it's bug me when I see the long list of references on the pages. Also, we have most of the sets' instructions on our wiki, so why don't we use them instead of the external ones from the LEGO.com? — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 15:43, 27 August 2017 (CET)

I'll defer to the other staff on the first question. As for the second one, yeah let's use locally hosted instructions when possible. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:22, 27 August 2017 (CET)

I've posted some suggestions on the Splash's talk page recently. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 20:27, 27 August 2017 (CET)

I've made a sandbox about the replaced refs. The Other Kanohi page was full of them, so I chose that one. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 17:01, 29 August 2017 (CET)

@Morris, what's gonna happen? — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 23:33, 8 September 2017 (CET)

I think before making any more changes, we should have a discussion, maybe on the main page talk, about where to go from here in terms of citations. Some people have spoken out in favor of exclusively inline citations, while others have said they want all citations to point to a References section. Best to talk it out, preferably with Dorek and Swert weighing in. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 09:22, 9 September 2017 (CET)

Friendly

Hey man, please try to keep a friendly tone on here. I'm referring to this edit specifically. Everyone has made editing mistakes before, you and me included. Also, everyone's on here for fun, so if people don't feel welcome, they won't edit, and the site won't get better. Thanks, -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:46, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I know, I was just out of mood, and exactly regretted the summary after the eduts were done. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 08:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

canon?

your edit summary here... was that a real quote? if so where's it from? https://biosector01.com/w/index.php?title=Dekar-Hydraxon&type=revision&diff=132495&oldid=130795

BIONICLE Legends 8: Downfall page 32. It's at the foot of the page what I used for citing the Dekar-memory stuff on the page. :) — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 18:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

i gotta find the time to reread those sometime haha Intelligence4 (talk) 05:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Wolfrat

I was thinking the same thing as soon as I saw the "wolfrat" design! That does mean that one of us needs to reach out to him... and with Greg having recused himself from BZP, and the LMB forums now shut down, I'm not sure how one can get in contact with him nowadays.

By the way, while we're discussing Rahi... if you're wondering why I haven't been citing MGttU for the creation of each Rahi, it's just because it's one of the few BIONICLE books I don't actually own. Because it's a bad idea to cite something you haven't actually read (since that easily leads to spreading misinformation), I've decided to play it safe and just let other people cite it. --PeabodySam (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

while i'm replying to the other one, i'll just step in here... i know there was a pdf version of that book floating around the internet at some point, either on reddit or bzpower or something. the only book i haven't been able to find is the bionicle: world one, which is a huge bummer haha. almost everything else should be on the internet somewhere if you google it. Intelligence4 (talk) 05:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Question

I have a question, what happened to the user known as Bold Clone? I only ask because his page is still there on this site and his page shows nothing on there. Do you know what happened to him? (User: Kota9999) Kota9999 (talk) 18:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't know, I never really had a conversation with him. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 20:25, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Maybe previous users know who he was (User: Kota9999)

Oh really?

You reverted my Hunter Mask edits for unnecessary wording? I was trying to have the page make sense Kota9999 (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to be offensive, I've just have some really bad weeks/months/, and I can be misunderstood. The page makes sense, it means the same what you exposed with more words. "[Used to weaken the creatures] to unite with it [with the hunter mask's power]" makes sense since it a verb-based structure and means the same as "make them unite with him" and "teleporting" as a gerund also makes sense and means the same as "being able to teleport." — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 21:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh (User:Kota9999) Kota9999 (talk) 20:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Bionicle.com is gone....

If you now try going to the site it transfers over to Lego Star Wars..... (User:Kota9999) Kota9999 (talk) 18:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

It's working but you only if you search for it like this :) — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 19:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh! Still online I see....I still wonder how long it will be until it’s taken off (again) after the original site was shut down (User:Kota9999)

Well, using the link now in 2019 just brings you to Lego's main website, which now tells me that G2's website has been fully removed. (User:Kota9999)

Template:Set

I'm not against shortcuts, I was just trying to hide it on the actual template page (so that we don't have a red link to 'Set'). I assume the tag should just be placed elsewhere for it not to break, though I don't know where exactly. »Zapnox« 16:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, I originally just put the shortcut link to every set pages, but Morris said it is to complicated, (or something similar, it was a while ago) so I inserted it into the template. But if we put the include only tag the shortcut will not appear on the other pages, as I've seen. The current solution may not be a good solution for that, but it's still not a bad one, I think. I'm not a coder, so someone else could come up with a better version someday, I hope, which doesn't show the shortcut on the template, but does on the set-pages. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 16:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Product Descriptions

If you're going to add those, could you maybe possibly start here so that we have everything in one nice centralized location? -- Dorek _Talk 04:53, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I might be able to start there. Sorry for being late with the answer, I didn't have too many free-time lately. In RL I had much to do, and I worked a lot... okay I had no free-time at all, that was behind my mostly inactive status, I'm so sorry.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 19:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Radiak Ref Link

Thanks for fixing that for me. I'm not sure how my edit ended up with two brackets. I have no idea how these references work LOL. I really appreciate the help. -- Toa Jala ^Converse 02:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Mobile site

Hey, we're thinking about removing BS01's dedicated mobile view because the desktop view adapts to small screens now. If I'm not mistaken you edit pretty much exclusively through the mobile view, so I don't want to remove it without getting your input. Have you tried reading and editing BS01 through the desktop view? (There should be a link to it at the bottom of the mobile view.) If so, what do you think of it? Are there any features that could be improved? Or if you haven't tried using the desktop view, could you try it out and see what you think? Thanks! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for asking my opinion on that. I tried it, and, for me the desktop view is better than the mobile site. I used to edit the pages on PC back then, when I was more active, so the desktop view solved every problem what I have with the mobile version. It is much nicer when I'm looking at the recent changes on an article. The differences between the two versions, and the page below them is clearer, and easier to read. My only nitpick could be when the sidebar is activated it's overlapping the page, but this could also be a problem only on my device. And I'm sorry for my bad english, ever since I begun to work, I used it less and less, and now I'm unsure that it is understandable or not. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 11:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I think I'll disable the mobile view then. When you say the sidebar is overlapping the page, do you mean it completely blocks the page so you can only see the sidebar? The sidebar is supposed to cover the left part of the page and leave the right part visible. Then you can tap the right part to close the sidebar. I can mess with the CSS if the sidebar isn't working correctly. Also your English is very understandable, don't worry! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Also, what do think of the book citations on Tahu (Generation 1)? They should appear when you hover over them on a computer or tap them on a mobile device. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry. I meant it covered the half page, and it didn't want to leave, but apparently it seems like I only had connection problems, for now it works fine. With the sidebar, I noticed when the hungarian language was chosen, there was a 'BIONICLEsector01' subscription over the icon and the 'BS01 Wiki' script. I made a screenshot, but this problem resolves itself when I switch the language to english in the preferences. Other than that I have no problem with this.

I saw it, and I like the way how the information is hidden, but my problem is the long list of references in the end of the page. I know, I know, on most of the wikis retains that same method, but if we could merge the two, the hidden script, and the outside citations (like the BookCitation & co.), it would be pretty nice. We would have organized pages, with "hidden" sources, (as I assume the Lein page will have the same fate and it only has citations no other sources iirc) we wouldn't have a half-page list of references. :) — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 20:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Cool, glad it's working now. And thanks for pointing that bug out. I'll look into it. As for the references section, we could do something like Wookieepedia where the References section is small and you scroll through it. What do you (and others) think? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

It works on PC, and maybe here it would work on desktop mode. But on the mobile Wookieepedia page, it's just a very long list. Maybe because it runs on a different server and don't have and adapting desktop version I guess? — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 21:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah I didn't check on mobile, sorry. Yeah Wikia has a separate mobile site, which is probably why it didn't show up for you. I've set up a demo for small screens on Tahu (Generation 1). Also, the logo issue should be resolved now. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 23:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I like it, at first I didn't even notice it while I checked the bottom of the page. And yes, the logo issue is solved, thanks.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 07:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Recently, I checked the Timeline page, and on the mobile version, the display is broken, at least on my phone. Same with any other subpages, the infobar goes out of screen, and can't be moved. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 09:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Update, the same thing appears on the main page. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 16:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean that the top bar is not fixed to the top of the screen? If so, that's not a bug, it was a design choice. Since the bar is transparent, if it stayed fixed to the top of the screen while you scrolled, you wouldn't be able to read it since the article text under it would be visible. If you mean something else, can you provide a screenshot? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 18:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I took some screenshots, here's the gallery. The whole table, containing the links to the individual Timeline subpages, is immovable, and doesn't display on the screen properly. I can see only what is presented on the screenshots.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 20:33, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Will these help? — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 21:07, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

That issue should be fixed now. Temporarily anyway. The real solution is to redesign the Main Page, Timeline, etc. to be less wide.... -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 07:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I think it's fine like this, at least I like it.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 14:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

The navigation bar's first column on the recent changes page is still broken, as the navigation bar can only be moved towards the left side (to show what was't shown in the right side) of the screen. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 14:20, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Would you mind if I just remove the navigation on mobile? It's so wide as-is that I don't see how it's very useful. If you (or others) want it to stay, I can work on a temporary fix. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I need help on HS01

Hey, I've been updating quite a lot on HS01 wiki, but I need help on how to insert images into a few new pages. The pages I'm trying to create are for that of Splitface's Weapons, The Poison Plasma Gun and the Shredding Claw. -User: Kota9999

Do we have images of the weapons on the wiki? — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 09:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Rahi pages

Thank you for updating all of those Rahi pages! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 03:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, I'm just trying to be more active, as I used to be... with more or less success.:D — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 14:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

On using podcasts as sources for pronunciations

I wouldn't say Greg's podcasts can be used as a source on pronunciations, and perhaps not the movies either. Wolk seems to agree here, as he removed the pronunciations of the Agori. Greg has pronounced things in various ways over the years, even the same things. He also says Vakama and Matau in a really weird, fast way. Voice actors and narrators are people and can accidentally screw up pronunciations too, or just not know beforehand what something is supposed to canonically sound like. Personally, I wish the story team had just figured out a basic Matoran phonology and made a guide out of it. That way you would also not have "i" being "ee" in certain words and "eye" in others. (compare noo-ee and try-new-mah). And what's with "zya" being pronounced "ZUH"??? LOL, so random. --Lukas Exemplar (talk) 15:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Greg basically said that the Klakk should be pronunced as track and in the podcast it's pretty clear, but I'll update it :) — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 15:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Disks parameter

Thanks for removing the disks parameter from all of those Kanohi infoboxes! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 18:10, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Toa Mangai

On the Toa Mangai page, you made an edit claiming that some of the Toa Mangai left Metru Nui for their own personal adventures, citing the Bionicle Encyclopeia: Updated.

However, Greg confirmed that all of the Toa Mangai were killed by Eliminator, with the exceptions of Lhikan, Nidhiki, and Tuyet. Additionally, I cannot find the section in the BEU that supports the edit. Which entry in the BEU makes the claim that the Mangai went their separate ways?

Or were the "adventures of their own" in reference to the missions where they were killed by Eliminator?

The Jerminator (talk) 02:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

It's on page 77, in Lhikan's entry. "Over time, some of the Toa left the city for other islands and more adventure. More recently, Turaga Dume ordered a number of the Toa to close off the seaways that led from Metru Nui to other islands." — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 05:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Is it possible that the "other Toa" are in reference to the backup Toa that arrived to fight in the war with the Dark Hunters, and not the original 11 Mangai?

The Jerminator (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm more than sure that Greg purposefully said the number 11 in BL4, when the Toa Mangai first arrive in Metru Nui, every entry about the team, even before they were given a name, reffered the Toa Mangai/Lhikan's & Nidhiki's team as the 11 Toa who arrived at Metru Nui to battle the Kanohi Dragon.--Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:45, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I've gone through a bunch of sources, and it appears that you are correct; after the Dark Hunter War, some of the original 11 Toa left Metru Nui. But then that means that not all 8 of the other Toa Mangai were killed by Eliminator, contrary to what BS01 currently states. Only the Toa Mangai who remained on Metru Nui were sent on false missions and killed by Eliminator. From 2008:

1) He killed the two with Kodan -- the members of Lhikan's team were scattered in different directions, so would have been impractical to send one being out to get them all.

In fact, he even said that some of the Mangai may still be alive, though it is unlikely. So marking all of the Mangai as 'deceased' seems to be inaccurate.

(Also, when looking at the Discusssion page for the Mangai, I noticed you made the claim that all 11 original Toa remained behind, which is what I was trying to say before. Have you changed you mind on this, or have I completely misunderstood what you were trying to say in our current discussion?)

The Jerminator (talk) 17:32, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

So we know that some of the Mangai left Metru Nui (including Naho) after the Kanohi Dragon, and we know exactly that during Tuyet's betrayal only 3 Toa stationed at Metru Nui, as I mentioned this below. And Greg said that after the Toa-DH war some toa stayed with Lhikan at Metru Nui, and during the LMB Chat with Greg Farshtey topic, he said that every Mangai, except Lhikan, Tuyet, and Nidhiki were killed by Eliminator. My best guess is, that after the Kanohi Dragon, Naho and other 7 Toa left Metru Nui, leaving the originally known trio behind. Then Tuyet's betrayal, the DH War, and Nidhiki's betrayal convinced them to stay with Lhikan, even after the Toa Army left the city, because they knew Lhikan couldn't defend the city alone, and that's why Elimimator could kill the rest. Also it's been 3 years, I made more reasearch over the topic than how much I did back when I wrote that comment. :D --Surel-Nuva (Talk) 18:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that all makes sense. I think that would have to be the way it went down.

Previously, the only sticking point for me was that BEU said that "some of the Toa left the city" *after* the Dark Hunter War, but I actually think that that was in reference to the large army; earlier in Lhikan's entry, it is said that he led "the Toa" to victory over the Dark Hunters, without specifying a number of Toa. Of course, we now know that "the Toa" refers to the initial army of 100 Toa, so it is plausible that "some of 'the Toa' left the city" also refers to the army of 100, not just the original 11 (or 9, by the end of the War).

But, ignoring all of that, we agree that the original members remained in the city after the War, to be killed by Eliminator. So, when BS01 claims, after the War, that some of the Mangai left for their own adventures, it is inaccurate; that happened before the War.

The Jerminator (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Expanding on that a bit, The Many Deaths of Toa Tuyet must have taken place before the Toa-Dark Hunter War ended because the story features Nidhiki as a Toa. The other Toa Mangai were still alive before the Toa-Dark Hunter War, so Greg presumably came up with those adventures to explain why the other Toa Mangai didn't appear in The Many Deaths of Toa Tuyet. Overall, a bunch of the Toa Mangai left before the war, then Tuyet went rogue, then the other Toa Mangai came back, then Nidhiki went rogue, and finally Eliminator killed all the remaining Toa Mangai except for Lhikan. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The Makuta's Guide to the Universe page 4, under Lhikan's entry, actually confirms that at the time of the Many Death of Toa Tuyet, there were on 3 Toa at Metru Nui: Nidhiki, Tuyet, and Lhikan.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 06:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

BoM and OoMN

I saw you undid my edit to the timeline saying the BoM and founded after the OoMN, but you probably didn't notice the citation I added supporting my edit. Greg said the BoM predates the completion of Metru Nui, but not its initial construction (https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page90#post3600-line14-15). Combine that with the reference that the OoMN was shortly after Metru Nui was founded (https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page135#post5380-line22-23), this suggests that within a few days, the BoM was founded, Metru Nui was completed, then the OoMN was founded, in that order. The only potential problem with this order is that the OoMN predates Mata Nui himself, although that's a problem either way since the Toa Mata were awakened by the Order to prepare for Mata Nui. EDIT: I had forgotten the BOM was created by Mata Nui, so this order would definitely conflict with the OoMN predating Mata Nui. Not sure how to go about this. Dag (talk) 21:23, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I revised the timeline. The Makuta's Guide says in Tahu's article, that the Toa Mata were awakened by the Order of Mata Nui. But before Mata Nui was awakened, the inhabitants knew him, as Tren Krom was told to superwise the Universe until MN was ready. So the Order could have been founded before Mata Nui was actually awakened, as Helryx told Kopaka and Tahu, that they will awaken the Great Spirit. I firmly believe that OoMN/HoA had been told that Mata Nui is their Great Spirit, hence the name, and the Toa Mata should go to Karda Nui to awaken him. So logically it's like: Day 1: HoA disbanded -> Day 2: OoMN formed -> Day 3: Toa Mata awakened, trained and sent to Karda Nui -> Day 4: Mata Nui awakens, creates the Makuta -> Day 5: BoM formed. So the BoM is formed within day of the Order. But it's more likely that Helryx woke the Toa Mata up on the same day, as the Order was formed, and I think she needed some days to gather some member for her order. And possibly Mata Nui made the Makuta on the same day as he was awakened. I always takes the books precedence over the quotes, as most cases the OGD stuff are forgetcons, and in this case, we know from the same book (MGttU) that the Makuta were made by Mata Nui, and that Mata Nui was awakened by the Toa Mata first, who had been awakened by the Order before the other two.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 21:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Good catch on the Rapid Shooter

Oh yeah, Rapid Shooter is an individual weapon, and the Elemental Blasters is a group to which it belongs. I forgot! Damnit, I never know how to sign these messages since there's no signature button or any other button in the message editor :/ (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Lukas Exemplar)

Collection

WOW! That is an insane collection. Nice job! How long have you been collecting bionics for?(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Humble Matoran)

Thank you, I've been collecting them since 2004, and plan to collect all the sets, combiner/alternate/contest-winning models. :) --Surel (Talk) 20:43, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Limited Invulnerability

I read on one of the Greg dialogues that Limited Invulnerability is actually complete invulnerability for a limited time. (I wish I'd saved the source.) I thought that the "limited time" bit was interesting and I don't see it mentioned in the section in Kraata Powers. -- Toa Jala ^Converse 22:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Maybe it's me misinterpretending the name of the power, but the "Limited" in the name for me it means it's not permanent, it wears off after a short time, and it makes sense with the stage six power of "Absolutely invulnerable to physical harm of any kind." If the "limited" would refer to a power/attack limit, not the timing, than the stage 6 power would contradict the name imo.--Surel (Talk) 10:31, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like you interpreted it correctly and I got it wrong, LOL. I guess you're right, in context with the stage 6 description, the limited timing is implied. Plus, I suppose all Kraata powers have some kind of time limit, as none of them can be used indefinitely as far as we know. -- Toa Jala ^Converse 15:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I always thought it meant it was limited in duration and unlimited in durability as well, as the Kraata power description and one Greg quote would suggest.^[1] However, there are other quotes that say its limited in the sense that most (but not everything) cannot hurt it.^{[2][3][4][5][6][7]} Greg has later said that Limited Invulnerability is always active for a Makuta,^[8][9] but this makes no sense since Makuta can only use one power at a time. Dag (talk) 01:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

I think this is enough elaboration to add in clarification on how it is limited; quotes take precedence here over the descriptions as we've established prior. I don't think that quote you cited suggests it's duration based. There's additionally [this quote]. As for always active, yeah it's a contradiction and should be left out as we've done with other powers. Was there an older, BZP-era quote that said the opposite or am I misremembering that? ~ Wolk (talk) 04:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

The first quote I cited implies that the Rahkshi is entirely invulnerable (which matches the Kraata description), which leaves it to be limited in duration by default. I'm not aware of any other relevant quotes that haven't been mentioned. A note should definitely be added to the section on Kraata Powers, but I'm hesitant to decide one as definitively correct. Dag (talk) 05:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Dang, I started another in-depth lore discussion. :P [Here], Greg compares LI to Superman's ability. The Man of Steel is invincible, save for Kryptonite, magic, and other Kryptonian objects. Similarly, I think the Makuta (while LI is active) are invulnerable to everything except Protosteel, Light, Iron, and Magnetism. No wonder they feared a Toa of Light so much!

In hindsight, "Durability" might have been a better name for LI, IMHO. As for whether or not it's always active, Greg seems to be stating in all these sources that it is always active, which I admit makes no sense, considering the "one Kraata power at a time" rule. It seems that LI, along with Fire and Ice Resistance, are "passive" powers that might not count toward the rule, but that's just speculation, and we should avoid that whenever we can. An important thing to remember is that Greg himself didn't write the Kraata power descriptions, so they're not always 100% accurate in canon. -- Toa Jala ^Converse 06:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Re:Dag, since the option of them being invulernable to most but not everything exists in more consistent numbers, some which predate that one singular answer, I think that ends up fairly clear-cut.

Re:Toa Jala. Yeah, the passive thing contradicts the one-power-at-a-time rule. Not being able to resist iron/magnetism because they're manipulating their body, rather than hitting it, makes sense. I would argue that, given that they exist seperately, heat and cold resistance are also not part of LI, otherwise a Makuta could just use LI and never need FR/IR, but that is also speculation. Additionally, with them always passive, it makes that debacle not matter because they don't have to choose their resistances based on the situtation. But oh well. I think the one example we can confirm without taking a stance on the passives is that LI does not protect against is light; we could word it as them not being protected against "for example, light," which leaves open the door for there being other weaknesses. We can also adress the passive ability contradiction in the trivia, perhaps? ~ Wolk (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I had thought the entry on LI in MGttU said the same as the 03 chart, but it reads "invulnerable to physical harm from most attacks." I somehow missed that when first going through the Kraata powers. Then yes, it is clear cut. Dag (talk) 15:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me. -- Toa Jala ^Converse 18:01, 19 July 2021 (UTC)