Talk:Kanoka

Mask of Creation

Hey, can we say on the list of masks-to-make-disks list that the Mask of Creation was forged using magic (and maybe gold)?--Willess12 (talk) 05:01, 30 September 2014 (CEST)

Hah. -- I AM THE DOREK _{do not truffle with me} 05:18, 30 September 2014 (CEST)

Which disk number is magic, again? 3.14159? ζox• ^Histories

42, I'd wager. LockmanCapulet _{Crusty relics!} 13:59, 30 September 2014 (CEST)

Non-Protodermic Beings?

It seems as if many things from the MU have no effect on organic, non-protodermic creatures (e.g., Glatorian and Agori), such as viruses, Krana, and Hordika venom (the latter of which makes no sense to me). I'd imagine that Kanoka of all things, being made of purified Protodermis, would only affect organisms and objects made of Protodermis. Has Greg made any indication one way or the other? -- Great Jala ^{Cthulhu fhtagn} 10:02, 24 February 2016 (CET)

A lot of those things have to do with a being's physiology, so in a sense, you could probably make an argument that the mutagenic powers might not work as well (although I've never heard of viruses and Hordika venom not working on organic creatures, which might not even be accurate). But for Kanoka not to work it would basically mean that organic creatures are impervious to protodermis as a whole, which is definitely not the case. -- Dorek _Talk 19:34, 24 February 2016 (CET)

Yeah, it says that under Hordika Venom#Functionality and Virus#Trivia. I was thinking that maybe Kanoka had some computer code or something to change another computer code (since the MU turned out to be like a giant computer in a sense). Your logic makes more sense to me, though. Thanks. -- Great Jala ^{Cthulhu fhtagn} 06:23, 25 February 2016 (CET)

Combined power levels

So how is the power level of combined kanoka calculated? Does it just take the level of the highest or lowest powered disc in the combo? Or do the values mix somehow to get a new value? --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ^{~Prof. Srlojohn} 12:33, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

So, anyone have any ideas? --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ^{~Prof. Srlojohn} 12:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

My guess is that combined Kanoka are as strong as the lowest powered disk in the combo. I'm not sure if that's been confirmed though. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 14:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

that's what i was trying to see. If anyone knew. If no one knows, then we should ask Greg because it's a critical part of the mask making process. Because if it's lower than a certain power level it loses it's power right? so if your trying to make a great mask, why would you bother with combining discs that will never give the desired result? --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ^{~Prof. Srlojohn} 16:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

So, Anyone have any ideas? --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ^{~Prof. Srlojohn} 11:03, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Masks that weren't made in Metru Nui

Regarding the following: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page298#post11891-line2,7 & https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page72#post2877-line10-14,26 - "so most likely was not made from a disk" and "There may not be Kanoka combinations for those masks" do not sound like concrete statements to me, rather simply posing the possibility that there aren't disks. On the other end, I don't see what is not concrete in this statement: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2013-2017/page489#post11267095 :/ ~ Wolk (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, the first two quotes aren't definitive. I think that last quote can also go either way though.

That last quote is sort of like the statement "apples are not only blue." If I'm not mistaken there are two ways for that statement to be true: either some apples are blue and some aren't, or no apples are blue. In this case, it's true because no apples are blue.

In that last quote, Greg confirmed that Reconstitute at Random disks are not the only disk used to make a Mask of Mutation. Like that apple statement, I think there are two ways to read Greg's quote. Either a Reconstitute at Random disk is used along with some others, or no Reconstitute at Random disks are used at all. Of course this is really splitting hairs. :P But there's that voice in the back of my head telling me that reading the quote one way over the other is making an assumption, which is why I removed it from the page. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Greg did say more specifically that he's okay with the Mask of Mutation being made from Reconstitute disks: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page330#post13165-line3,6 - The problem is that its not clear whether it's made from only Reconstitute disks or other disks as well. Dag (talk) 02:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Good find. Ordinarily yeah, if you combine that with Wolk's last quote, I think that'd be enough to establish the disks as Reconstitute at Random + Unknown. However, in this specific case I'm hesitant to do that because of this quote, which is dated two years after Wolk's last quote:

https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2013-2017/page855#post14226673-line6,10

Greg was hesitant to canonize the Mask of Mutation's component disks because he'd forget them, so I don't think his earlier (and, as seems likely based on context, forgotten) answers should take precedence in this case. That's getting into subjective territory though, so if you or others have thoughts please feel free to weigh in. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 03:14, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I mean this latest quote doesn't invalidate the RaR disk for the Mask of Mutation. It says Greg doesn't want to canonize it to be Regenerate + Reconstitute. --maxim21 03:28, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I personally see no reason to actually care about the component disks. Both of the Olmak were made by Artakha himself, who has the Mask of Creation, it's fair to assume that he made the masks with the legendary Kanohi, and even if he didn't, either this or the Kanohi page says that it is possible to forge masks without disks. If someone was actually asking about the component disks for Kanohi/Other Kanohi, which were shown to be worn by Metruans, I'd have nothing against at, as those were already established to be worn/used/have been on Metru Nui in my opinion. (Sorry, I don't want to sound rude or something, it's just early for me, like 5:40, but I'd like to respond to the topic)— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 03:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we could set them to Unknown, or hide the Component disk on most masks altogether given them not being made in Metru Nui. As for Fusion etc., that panel is from the end of 2007 and at that point in time the Toa Nuva would have sent the Matoran in Karzahni to Metru Nui, would they not? So do we know for certain they're not from Karzahni? ~ Wolk (talk) 10:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

You've got me here, they could have been rebuilt Matoran from Karzahni, maybe you're right and we could remove the "unknown" and other things from the main pages, where we weren't given the specific disk combination. Although if we don't have the disk options to none on certain pages, it would be ambigous for someone new, whether or not could a certain mask be made from a disk, or could a one in a kind mask be replicated, like the Avohkii or the Ignika.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 10:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

More about the Mask of Mutation. Greg has said a mask made of only RaR can't control how something is mutated https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page33#post1295-line7-8 https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2013-2017/page546#post11659863 but the Mask of Mutation can control it https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page257#post10262-line9,17,21,25 - So, if an RaR disk is needed for the Mask of Mutation, it would need more disks as well, which to me confirms that by "not solely, no", he meant it is made from an RaR disk, but not only that. I'm interested in disk combinations solely for the purposes of world building. If Greg really said that there are no combinations of the Mask of Mutation, that would be fine, but he's suggested otherwise multiple times (EDIT: he said it wasn't made from disks once, but since changed his answer as already noted above), which I think should be the canon answer, as opposed to no disks at all. Dag (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

As a corollary to the adage "everything before the word 'but' doesn't matter", I think Greg's initial "no" is the most evincing. The mask was never designed to have come from component Kanoka. Further updates also reflect this; all Brotherhood Kanohi are made out of Protosteel, to the best of my recollection, and Kanoka produce only regular Protodermis masks. That sort of renders the discussion moot; if you really wanted to argue the point, maybe A Mask of Mutation could be made out of RaR Kanoka, but THE Mask of Mutation was not, and since it's the only one, it's a trivia point that just exists out in the ether.

I'm willing to apply this to the Garai as well. -- Dorek _Talk 19:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd disagree, because Hewkii's Garai, for example isn't necessairly the only Garai and we know a Toa Disk of Gravity would make a Garai, even if his wasn't made that way. Same logic should be applied to any mask, just because the specific instance wasn't made that way doesn't mean it can't be, and Greg didn't say they can't be, he merely said we don't know if they can be. Which is why I'd vaguer to leave them as Unknown rather than None. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

@maxim: Yeah that's a legit way of reading that quote too.

@Wolk: Putting aside the Garai for a sec, I agree that we should stick with "Unknown" rather than "None" for the Mask of Mutation. Alternatively, we could just remove the "Component disks" section from the Mask of Mutation infobox entirely. (Same goes for other masks with unknown disks.) What are people's thoughts on that? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I still don't understand saying no disks are used for a Mask of Mutation because it wasn't made in Metru Nui and is made of Protosteel. Both points can be applied to the Jutlin, and yet it has a disk recipe. I agree that, just like Miserix's Mask of Mutation, Antroz's Jutlin most likely wasn't made from disks, but a Jutlin can be made using a Weaken disk according to Greg. Dag (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Twice Greg has said that masks not made in Metru Nui used other disk powers not found in Metru Nui.1 2 However, this conflicts with his quote that the only primary disks are the main eight plus the elementals.3 Since then, he has suggested numerous times that masks not made in Metru Nui don't use any disks, but, as Wolk mentioned, he uses vague language such as "likely" and "maybe", leaving the possibility open that they could be made with disks.4 5 6 7 8 While it may very well be true that other places do not make masks using the disk method (Greg has said Kanoka can be bypassed altogether and masks can be made straight from protodermis9), that doesn't mean those masks can't also be made with the disk method. We already know this to be true with the Kiril, Kualsi, Pehkui, Mask of Growth, and the aforementioned Jutlin. Dag (talk) 21:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Good point about the Jutlin. You're right that doesn't preclude other Masks of Mutation from being made of disks.

What the situation comes down to, at least in my opinion, is that Greg has given contradictory answers about the Mask of Mutation over the years, and his last say on the matter was that he's hesitant to give an exact answer. As pointed out above, you can piece together some Greg quotes to argue that the mask's recipe includes a Reconstitute at Random disk. You can even argue that doing so is technically compatible with Greg's last quote. However, having thought on it more, I do think it goes against the spirit of Greg's last quote.

In general, to maintain trust in the wiki's information, editors should strive to keep the wiki correct rather than complete. I'd rather we leave out info (sacrifice completeness) than present debatable info as fact (potentially sacrifice correctness). So, because that last Greg quote opens room for debate, I think we should leave the Mask of Mutation's disk recipe off of the Kanoka list. If we choose to leave that info off of the page, that doesn't mean it's wrong or non-canon, just that it's debatable. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I can respect that decision. However, currently on the Mask of Mutation page, it has "none" under component disks, meaning its not made from disks at all. Would you be opposed to removing that section entirely like the rest of the masks that have unknown disk combinations? Dag (talk) 00:41, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Whoops, thought it had been removed already. :P Done now. Thanks for catching that! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

The reason the quote(s) about the Reconstitute disk being included in the Mask of Mutation were removed was because they're debatable, which I understand, but what about the Kadin? Just as noted with the discussion above, Greg has said multiple times masks not made in Metru Nui might not use disks, but his answers have always included vague wording such as "likely" or "possibly", and there are several examples in canon already of masks not made in Metru Nui that do have disk combinations. When asked if the Kadin is made from a disk of flight, Greg said "yes" (https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2013-2017/page642#post12144196-line1-2). I know CwGF isn't top priority, but it's the only definite answer. Dag (talk) 21:46, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

This is carryover from a conversation started on the Jutlin talkpage. It was moved due to being more relevant here.

Initially, Greg said all masks are made from disks,123 including the Nuva4 but excluding the Avohkii and Kraakhan as he wasn’t certain about those two5678 (he later said that another Avohkii could be made from a Toa disk of Light910). Then, starting in 2006, his answer changed to only Metru Nui Kanohi were made from disks.111213141516 His previous answers could be read that way as well as the story thus far was only about Metru Nui,17 but the problem with this explanation is that there are some masks from outside of Metru Nui that are made from disks. These include the Garai and other elemental masks as well as the Kadin.18 This same reasoning was used when asked if the Mask of Mutation was made using Reconstitute at Random disks,1920 but Greg later approved it.2122 Greg also said that characters not native to Metru Nui, including Dume, probably did not have their masks made from Kanoka,23 even though Dume wears the Kiril, which is made from Regeneration disks. Another reason Greg gave for not coming up with Kanoka combinations for the newer masks was because they might have used disks not available in Metru Nui2425 due to the purification processes required.26 Although the problem with this answer is that the only main Kanoka powers are the eight from Metru Nui and elemental disks,27 it indirectly suggests that those masks still used Kanoka, just not the same ones used in Metru Nui. Realistically, the reasons Greg didn’t come up with Kanoka combinations for the other masks is because he didn’t have the time,28 he didn’t need them for the story,2930 and he was afraid of contradicting himself.31 While very understandable, these are not in-universe explanations for why masks not from Metru Nui didn’t use disks. After all, disks were used in other places like Stelt, so it’s not unreasonable to assume disks were forged into masks in those places.

From all this, I think every mask, including rare ones like the Olmak32 and maybe the other Legendaries,33 can be made from Kanoka, but do not have to be and can skip the disk stage altogether.34 This is how, for example, the Jutlin, even though the ones from the main story were made from Protosteel and probably not from disks,35 can alternatively be made from Weaken disks.36 Dag (talk) 18:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Equivalent Disk Combinations

Earlier today I added some extra info on Kanoka, all with citations. One point I added was that disks are transitive (if A+B=C, then A+B+D=C+D) because the order that disks are combined doesn't matter. The implications of this is that, for example, I can make a disk of Strength by first combining Regeneration and Enlarge and then combine the resultant disk with Removes Poison. However, a disk of Shielding is Regeneration and Enlarge, so it's just as viable to say a disk of Strength is Shielding and Removes Poison. In my edit, I noted this on the Kanohi Chart under Pakari, but it has been removed. Is there any reason why it's not acceptable? Dag (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps I haven't seen this specific trivia point, but my assumption is that once a mask is done, it's done; combining a Kanoka and a Kanohi is not something we see done. So while the combination you mentioned is technically accurate, it's not like a mathematical formula where you can move things to other sides of the equation just to check. Once you've made a mask, you've got a mask. -- Dorek _Talk 19:53, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I mean a disk of Shielding, not a mask of Shielding. I agree combining Kanoka and Kanohi hasn't been done, and probably can't be. However, combining a Regeneration disk with an Enlarge disk gives you a disk of Shielding, which you can then carve into a Hau. Or, alternatively, you can take that Shielding disk and combine that with a Removes Poison disk to get a Strength disk, and then turn that Strength disk into a Pakari. Dag (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I think the reasoning is more-so redundancy. Yes, it is true that (Regeneration+Enlarge = Shielding) + RP = Strength, but I think that is explained enough in the Mask Making section, and in the chart it only becomes redundant. It's cleaner to have them all broken down as far as possible, as you can then derive, given these two stated points that Shielding+RP = Strength. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I was under the impression it was removed due to being incorrect or not explicitly stated by Greg, but if it's just because of redundancy, that's fair, but I still think it should be clearly stated, either in the chart or the Mask Making section, just as an example of the implications of order being irrelevant. Dag (talk) 20:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah putting it as an example in the Mask Making section sounds good. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:26, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I guess now I'm wondering where the "disk of shielding" mention comes from; is the resulting disk actually a disk, or something that can only be made into Kanohi? -- Dorek _Talk 01:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Here it is https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page40#post1587-line30-31 Dag (talk) 02:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I'd say that seems germane to the chart section. Maybe change the wording to be resulting "power" rather than Kanohi? -- Dorek _Talk 03:03, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Dag (talk) 03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I was the one who removed it from the chart, because even it's a 100% true, but as it was already mentioned above, it's nice for a trivia in the mask making paragraphs, but unnecessary for the actual chart, I was just too tired to actually make a summary.— Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 03:45, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Opposite Disk Powers

Greg has said that its possible that the disk powers (and even some mask powers) are opposites of each other.1 Weaken and Regeneration2 as well as Enlarge and Shrink3 are obvious enough, but the other four (Teleport, Freeze, RaR, Remove Poison) have not been specifically talked about. It seems obvious to me that Teleport and Freeze are opposites, and RaR and Remove Poison are opposites, though this is just speculation. I would like to somehow include the little information that is cited, but I'm unsure of the best way of doing it, so suggestions would be much appreciated. Dag (talk) 21:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I think the info from the second and third quotes would be good to include on the relevant Kanohi pages. They could go as trivia points or even in the pages' top sections. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

When Kanoka were invented

Surel, I think you misread my edit, which was:

"The technology to develop Kanoka disks was invented more than 7,000 years ago in the Matoran Universe and more than 4,000 years ago in the Ko-Metru Knowledge Towers."

Kanoka are referenced in NOGLB and BL4, both take place more than 7,000 years ago and not on Metru Nui. We also know that more than 4,000 years ago (I didn't misunderstand the Greg quote), they were invented in Ko-Metru. What we don't know for certain is that Ko-Metru was the first place to invent them. They could have been made elsewhere in the MU before, and my edit tried to reflect that. Dag (talk) 06:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

The quote literally says: "All of them were made before -- Kanohi Dragon was only 4000 years before the current storyline, Metru Nui has existed for well over 90,000 years." Well over 90,000 years so the Kanoka disks could have been around for 80,000 years or so, there is no contradiction, if the quote says they were invented 7,000 years ago, and mass produced on other islands.--Surel (Talk) 13:16, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

However, we cannot derive them existing in Metru Nui 7,000+ years ago based on seeing them outside of Metru Nui at that time. As far as Metru Nui go, we only know them to have been around since 4,000+. As Greg has said: "The fact that Kanoka were invented in Ko-Metru 4000 years ago doesn't mean they couldn't have been developed somewhere else earlier than that." (https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2013-2017/page707#post12624319-line5,11) That doesn't mean NOGLB/Legacy of Evil predate the invention of Kanoka in Metru Nui - just that we don't know if they do. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Wolk here. We don't have to pin down where they were first invented in the universe, as it is possible they were invented in multiple places independently. The idea could have even been progammed in by the Great Beings for all we know as a way of making sustainable masks of power, self defense for MU inhabitants, or in hope they could form the Vahi. We don't know, and that is the point here. We can right that we know that Ko-Matoran in Ko-Metru discovered or invented the technology to make Kanoka over 4,000 years ago, and that Kanoka are known to have existed within the Matoran universe for at least 7,000 years (or 8,000 years, because that is supposedly when we first see Ancient's boots that use levatation kanoka. It is pretty clear that this is how it should be handled assuming no other info comes to light, but I will post this here to give people a chance to discuss first, or to give their arguments or contributions. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 04:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

8,000? What scene are you referring to? ~ Wolk (talk) 07:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I though I read somewhere that NOGLB happened 4,000 prior to the (latest possible) time of invention of Kanoka-forging tech on Metru Nui, but I don't know if it was it was right, and I can't even find it anymore(I have found that NOGLB is at least 7,000 years before the time Takua summoned the Toa Mata, at least according to the timeline page, but I don't know what the at least 4,000 years ago figure of their development on Metru Nui is in reference to). It is really hard to tell with years numbers, as we have many benchmarks for where we reckon years relative to, and it isn't consistent in the slightest. We really should have a referendum or something on unifying the system of dating, because it is a mess. I don't really know where to do that though, unless we reopen the Voting Center. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

The Vahki, which used Kanoka disks on Metru Nui, were already on Metru Nui when the Kanohi Dragon attacked the city 4000 years before Takua summoned the Toa Mata. This was actually mentioned in that thread above, by me specifically. All of them were made before -- Kanohi Dragon was only 4000 years before the current storyline, Metru Nui has existed for well over 90,000 years. Greg specifically said that the Kanoka on Metru Nui were made before the Kanohi Dragon attacked 4k years prior, we just happened to know that Kanoka did exist at that time. At least 4,000 years ago could mean 40,000 years or 7,000 years too, it just had to be more than 4,000. The at least 4,000 years ago on Metru Nui is only relevant that it was the first time it was indirectly referenced by the presence of the Vahki on the island. The wording was weird, but it never meant that process of Kanoka making was invented 4,000 years ago.--SurelNuva (Talk) 15:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I think this new, current wording is good now. I still stick by my suggestions for a standardized dating system, though, but I suppose that that discussion can be moved somewhere else. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 16:29, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

The current standardized system is just "years ago" from the end of the story. As for NOGLB, it is not "4,000 years before the time of Kanoka". NOGLB is set before Legacy of Evil chapter 1, which in turn is set 7,000 years ago. This same chapter also depicts Ancient with his levitation boots. The reason NOGLB is set before this is because of the very premise of the story -- Explaining the Toa in the stasis tube depicted in that chapter. The only real "upper cap" to that is of course (A) the Dark Hunters needed to have existed, which would limit it to 80,000 years ago, (B) Whenever Dume became Toa (at least 40,000? iirc), because Norik became a Toa after he did per Greg. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Or if the Kanoka were invented during Dume's rule, which I don't remember being stated anywhere, but would have been a good anchor point in Metru Nui's history, like the chute system were, it would cap up to 15,000 years ago, because that's when Dume became the Turaga of Metru Nui. It wouldn't effect NOGLB, since we don't know when Ancient aquired his boots, or when were boats first equipped with Kanoka launchers, or when Gatherer gathered his disk, which was mistaken for a rhotuka for the longest time. And again, that's pure speculation on my part since Dume was mentioned.--SurelNuva (Talk) 18:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Disk of Flight and Disk of Mind Scrambling

Shouldn't these disks be included as additional(not necessarily primary) disks? With the Disk of Mind Scrambling, it only really exists fully canonically as a result of the terms "kanoka" and "kanohi" accidentally being swapped, so I understand if it was treated differently if it was the only unexplained one. However, the Kadin is canonically able to be made by a "flight disk". Whether this means a Kanoka that works like those used in Akilini for riding on, a Kanoka with the power of flight(which is what it most likely was supposed to mean when confirmed), the product of the fusion of 2 or more other Metru-Nui Kanoka, or a primary or secondary disk that comes from somewhere else in the universe, I feel that leaving it completely unexplained makes things confusing and does not meet our editorial standards. Greg has said that there are only 8 primary kanoka powers(besides kanoka of Elements as a whole), and this might eliminate at least one of the aforementioned possibilities for what "flight disk(s)" are, it clearly exists as something. If a section is added for miscellaneous kanoka, we could also include the disk of time, rather than having it explained as a note. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 16:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I think he likely meant it as being a disk fusion, as we know fused disks can create disks of levitation, shielding, etc. We should probably go into more detail about disk fusions on the page to make it more clear that disks of these powers are created through fusions. TuragaHordika (talk) 23:46, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, they would be the result of disk combinations. There are only eight base powers aside from Toa disks. There's also no real ambiguity as to what a "flight disk" is. In context of the question cited, it's clear that it's a disk with the power of the Kadin, thus why it becomes a Kadin as a mask. They don't change power when forged into a mask. ~ Wolk (talk) 21:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Digits and Associated Powers

Do we know which digits are which powers? From what I can tell, page 30 of the guide Metru Nui: City of Legends has a chart, but that page was missing from the only online version I could find, and I can't find it mentioned anywhere else, so I don't know what the digits would be. One quote on our page, however, does say that Freeze is 2, but beyond that, nothing else is present. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 06:25, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

See Kanoka#Properties. The digits are in the order presented there, Reconstitution being one 1, Teleport being 8. ~ Wolk (talk) 06:35, 17 December 2023 (UTC)