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Hey, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes :) (that's these things -> ~ Should be in the upper left hand of your keyboard) Intelligence4 (talk) 23:13, 18 October 2016 (CET)

Velika's name

Hi! Could you provide a ref for the newer source saying Velika was a pseudonym? There are so many quotes about Velika it can be hard to keep track of them all. Thanks! :) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:08, 23 October 2016 (CET)

Here and here :)

~ OnionShark

Ah got it. They were actually just a bit further down the page than I looked. :P Thanks. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 21:33, 23 October 2016 (CET)

TSO & Ancient

See and Read: http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:Sapient_Species/Unnamed_Species -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:51, 19 November 2016 (CET)

Sorry, I hadn't read that. But still, I don't understand why we should consider that statement about TSO's and Ancient's species in MGttU canon anymore. The poll worked to split their species, and Greg approved, so that statement has been retconned, right? OnionShark 21:18, 19 November 2016 (CET)

Greg said a while back that if anything he says now contradicts with previously established canon, the oldee canon should take precedent. It's not clear how this applies to cases like these, where it seems he may have changed his mind. However, we usually err on the side of written, published canon, like Makuta's Guide. --Angel Bob (talk) 21:34, 19 November 2016 (CET)

Yes, Greg always says that the written/first versions are the cannon, and he isn't going to change it, that's what happened with the Toa Hagah fortunetely. So we won't separate them, for every copies of the Makuta's Guide have that info. And there's no semi-canon guides, and I think, we don't want to make it semi-canon, just because some fans (Not You, the others) want to overwrite the original and official cannon. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 21:37, 19 November 2016 (CET)

Never mind. I just realized that in one of the Q&A that we use as a reference, Greg had cut part of the question because of character limits, wich made me misundertand what he meant with his answer. -.- In that answer he agreed to remerge TSO's and Ancient's species, here's the full quote:

Q) A while back, you approved a BZPower poll that merged by popular vote, Conjurers & TSO's and Ancient's & Tyrant's species and also worked to split TSO's and Ancient's species *cut part begins* (which was thought to have never been the same due to a believed absence of confirmation in canon sources). Since then, specific canon evidence has arisen (in the form of a sentence in Makuta's Guide to the Universe) stating that Ancient and TSO were part of the same species. So, with that in mind, and in the interests of not going against canon sources are you fine with Ancient, TSO, Conjurer, and Tyrant being in the same species? (As well as reconfirm that both Conjurer and Tyrant individually left the island near the close of the civil war for new conquests; a trait of this species has tails; and that Conjurer lost his tail as punishment from The Shadowed One.)

A) Okay

OnionShark 21:57, 19 November 2016 (CET)

Annona

Greg confirmeed that Annona is a part of a species, but she was the only one on the Spherus Magna ("having two vampires in the same village"), I think, you asked him that. S will you edit Annona's page? Look at that page's last post -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 21:51, 15 December 2016 (CET)

Oh, I forgot to update the page, thanks for reminding me. Should we wait for more information on the species to put it on Sapient Species/Unnamed Species?

OnionShark 23:06, 15 December 2016 (CET)

We have less information about the Barraki's species and they're listed on the page, so I'd say we should add the species to the page. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:11, 15 December 2016 (CET)

Please, don't remove the "|The Final Chronicle" from the MNOG2 links, that's how it was written in the original BS01 page where I copied it, also every page refers to the MNOG2 as "The Final Chronicle". -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 16:24, 18 December 2016 (CET)

Citations

Why did you remove the book citations from the B&C page? The more citations the more accurate information about the battles. The comics portray some "shots" of the battles, but the books describe the whole battles. And The Wall of History is the original/official description of the animations. So neither of those were unnecessary. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:16, 30 December 2016 (CET)

IMO, there's no point in citing two sources if one doesn't add something substantial to the other. Yes, the descriptions in the books are more detailed, but unlike the fight between Wairuha Nuva and the Bohrok-Kal Kaita Ja, they don't change what we knew about a battle. In the case of the battle mentioned above, in comic 11, who wins the fight is a mystery (and originally GregF's intention was for them to reach a stalemate), but MR shows Wairuha getting defeated, so the book should be cited as well. And this does not apply to the other battles, so there's no point in citing more than one source.

--OnionShark 15:49, 31 December 2016 (CET)

I think we should have multiple sources cited if the info comes from more than one source, especially given that different bionicle media sometimes portrayed some stuff differently. it's just good editorial guidelines, basically. Intelligence4 (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Lord (more likely Mistress) of Earth

Most likely, the aggressive and territorial thing came from the 5 ELs that we encountered in the RotGB. Maybe every ELs are like this, it may come from this sentence from the ELs page "They eventually adopted the personality traits of their element, and act accordingly." -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:24, 10 January 2017 (CET)

I always thought it came from the Farshtey Feed (but I didn't have time to check), does it not?

--OnionShark 14:59, 11 January 2017 (CET)

One,two or three weeks ago I check every Farshtey Feed, for I was searching for info about the Toa Hagah, and I don't remember reading this about the ELs. But I might check them again, if it necessary. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 15:16, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Farshtey Feeds... I checked all of them today, and the Only Info about Umbra, that his mind is not shielded. The Builder of the Toa Canisters is not mentioned in the Feeds. The Els' aggressive and territorial thing is not come from the Feeds. --Surel-Nuva (Talk) 21:45, 11 January 2017 (CET)

So the info on Umbra most likely comes from pre-FF Greg quotes (I'll check the transcripts in the next days), the Builder was evidently not relocated during the Time Slip, and the ELs's descriptipns come from how they acted in RotGB. The Lady of Sand would be an exception, as she didn't appear in the serial. Even though she most likely is too, I will ask Greg for confirmation.

--OnionShark 21:58, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Did you check the Encyclopedia Updated for Umbra? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 22:04, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Yup, and I cited all that came from there.

--OnionShark 22:09, 11 January 2017 (CET)

The Darkest part of a Shadow -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 22:18, 11 January 2017 (CET)

BIONICLE: World

Makuta's bones, the BW was released in 2007, and the av-matoran was introduced in 2008. :D Also, I checked the BW so many times, and it doesn't mention the she was created by the GBs. --Surel-Nuva (Talk) 16:53, 22 January 2017 (CET)

The Av-Matoran weren't introduced in BW? Wasn't it the first source to mention the Time Slip (wich would mean it mentioned the Av-Matoran)? Besides, both the Av-Matoran and the Time Slip have entries in the BEU, so they were introduced in 2007.

EDIT: I checked the Time Slip page, and the first appearence is BW... --OnionShark 17:05, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Yeah... It says something like this (I only have the hungarian translation, not the original english, so sorry if it isn't 100% accurate) in the Metru Nui chapter: " 60000 years ago: Time Slip. A 6 months long period, what nobody remembers and has no entries." And there's no av-matoran or matoran of light mentioned in the BW. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:37, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Hrm... I guess we'll have to ask to someone who has the original book to check, it would make things easier. And Helryx isn't mentioned in the BEU. --OnionShark 17:46, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Helryx probably mentioned in the BEU as the first Toa or first Toa of Water. Check her page, she is mentioned in the book just not by her name. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:52, 22 January 2017 (CET)

I know she didn't have a name at the time, but she is still not mentioned in any of the entries that should, so the info is incorrect. And I thought that maybe something got lost in the fan-translation of BW, but whatever, it came from the OGD. --OnionShark 20:32, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Nothing was lost. His translations are better than the ones which were published officially :D And he translated the web series, the podcasts, and nothing was lost. Have you ever saw the "Struggle in the Drifts?" Its creator is the translator. (I don't want to name him for I don't want to get him trouble. So, maybe, he won't get.) :) -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:58, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Oh, him. I didn’t know he was hungarian :O. On an unrelated note, could you provide the exact pages for the citations of BW in the creations & experiments section? --OnionShark 21:44, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Yes, him. The translated BW is a word document, so it doesn't have the same pages as the originals. I only have the Chronicles + MoL, the Adventures, the Super Chapter Books, and the Legends in the scanned-pdf form, which have the same page numbering as the printed/released books. So believe me, the others who may have the printed book, could prove it. Why would I add incorrect info from the BW, if I have the translated book? Also could you check Helryx as the member of the Hand of Artakha and the founder of the OoMN? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 21:57, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Maybe I mispoke. I wasn't questioning the veridicity of the citations, I just think that having the exact pages cited is better, so if someone wants to check, they know more or less were to look exactly. And I checked the entries of the HoA, the OoMN, the Time Slip, and the Toa species, wich don't mention Helryx (or first Toa and the other names). --OnionShark 23:00, 22 January 2017 (CET)

As you see, I add the exact pages if I could, but in the BW's case I can't do this. The Microsoft Word's numbering is different than the original book's. :) -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:05, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Ask Greg

I just noticed that the BMP archived the 2007 BIONICLEStory.com, and on the '07 site there was a section in the command center under the name Ask Greg. Can we cite the things from there? Also can we assume that some {{CN}} things came from there? -- Surel—Nuva (Talk)

It's possible that some stuff came from there, but I'm not sure how we could cite the Q&As directly since they couldn't be highlighted as far as I recall. So I was thinking that maybe we could add Ask Greg to an eventual "GregCitation" Template, because there are also the OGD questions of wich we only have transcripts, and we can't just keep using GREGREF. --OnionShark 08:18, 13 February 2017 (CET)

Hagah Masks

Maybe I remember incorrectly. I add the citation for their masks were given by their teammates not for as badges of honor. (my internet connection is slower than usual, so I can't check the amazon page where I found this) So what's written in their & the Toa Hagah entries? -- Surel—Nuva (Talk) 20:08, 25 February 2017 (CET)

On the masks? Nothing really. It only says that Gaaki's, Pouks's, Bomonga's and Kualus's masks are [were at the time] unknown and Norik's and Iruini's mask powers. So, should we remove that citation then? ~OnionShark 20:16, 25 February 2017 (CET)

Interesting, and yes, we should. -- Surel—Nuva (Talk) 20:27, 25 February 2017 (CET)

Greg

So, this is the "online" version of the Official Greg Quotes -- Surel—Nuva (Talk) 18:40, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Timeline

You may want to check out our discussion on Surel's talk page. ζox• ^Histories

Parakrekks

So, I've check the Comic that you used as a Citation, it mentions the Protocairns not the Parakrekks. — Surel—Nuva (Talk) 11:04, 6 April 2017 (CET)

I know, I just didn't go on the recent changes page before I edited the page, sorry. ~OnionShark 11:05, 6 April 2017 (CET)

Thanks

Thanks for cleaning up the vandalism. :) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:20, 12 July 2017 (CET)

i had happened to check the site when the vandal was loose - unfortunately, i couldn't log on b/c i was on mobile and my device doesn't behave well with the site :/. i noticed that he kept using different usernames - were you guys blocking them as he made them? and how'd you finally get him to stop? were you able to block him from creating new accounts somehow, or did he just go away? probs to you guys for actively cleaning up the mess and maintaining the site! Intelligence4 (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2017 (CET)

Nope, I blocked all the accounts in each wave at once. After the second round I blocked the vandal's IP, so they can't create new accounts. Anyway we shouldn't discuss this too much--not because I want to hide what happened from you all, but because I don't want to give the vandal the attention they wanted. I hope you all understand and feel the same way. Thanks again Onion and Wolk. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 03:09, 16 July 2017 (CET)

yep, agreed. let's say no more haha Intelligence4 (talk) 23:00, 16 July 2017 (CET)