Talk:Mask of Creation (Generation 1)

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Should we add how this mask is made of "raw magic and pure gold"? :P HA --Boidoh (talk) 21:28, 5 October 2014 (CEST)

I still don't get why people take issue with that statement, but regardless, not for now because the image will probably be divested from the page since it's likely a reboot. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 22:28, 5 October 2014 (CEST)

The "List of Kanohi" paage on Wikipedia says that it is called "Kaniaku". --Duckanuva (talk) 12:33, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

This was added 9 days ago in an uncited annonymous edit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Kanohi&oldid=896622137
There has been no mention of this from Greg, it does not appear in the archives, and there is no longer a list of approved names; I assure you, the mask is still unnamed. ~ Wolk (talk) 14:48, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Is it worth adding that the Mask of Creation (probably) isn't gold, according to Greg? (https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2010-2011/page1#post30-line1,5) There's some leeway in the wording, but I think it's important that all relevant quotes are cited here seeing as the mask is going to be the subject of an art contest in the coming days. Votuko (talk) 20:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Way I read it, it's more like "not necessairly gold." This quote has been brought up to TTV though. ~ Wolk (talk) 21:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps. My thinking is that "Legendary masks must be gold" is a popular headcanon, often assumed incorrectly to be canon. Since this quote proves Greg had no such rule in mind, I feel it would add something to the page. (Even if it's only worth putting "the Mask is not necessarily gold" in the trivia section.) -- Votuko (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Unable to actually create

So, the BIONICLE: World says "While it does not actually bring things into being, it helps the wearer to envision how they should look and how they should be designed" I know that later Greg retconned this as the mask could actually make things if the wearer knows how to make something, but shouldn't take the book precedence? — SurelNuva (Talk) 09:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, one has to be wrong, since you could use the mask to learn how to make something, then make it with the mask, since you know how to make it. Chuckeroo777 (talk) 11:13, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes that is something that has bothered me. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I would say it depends if it's an intentional retcon or not. In this case, it seems like so, so the Greg answer is probably "more canon" than World. Plus it also come from the same time the MoCr was upgraded from a standard Kanohi to a Legendary one; it's likely Greg made the decision to buff its power up to reflect this. --maxim21 13:01, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
The problem is if it can create a thing out of thin air, when the user knows how to construct it, or the user could use the mask to know how to make something, the two is basically the same. I can use the mask to gain knowledge how to make a kanoka disk, then I could use the mask to actually make the disk out of thin air, without doing anything. So it could either make you instructions, or we can say "The Mask of Creation can give the user instructions how to make something, if the user doesn't know, and then the mask could make the item out of thin air" And we already have the Ignika for "making things out of thin air" I think all the 3 Legendary Kanohi should be different then each other. Ignika can create literally anything (skyboard) from anything (seaweed), the Vahi controls the flow of the time, the Creation gives you instructions. Of course, you have to have enough mental capacity to understand every step that the mask give you, that's why only Artakha is able to harness its power.— SurelNuva (Talk) 13:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
I mean, if Greg intended to give it these powers, we should chronicle it as it is. We can't alter info just because we feel there is overlap... That's headcanon territory. --maxim21 13:37, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
The Ignika always created things out of other things, particularily alive or formerly alive things. Anyway, what the mask should do is irrelevant. I agree with Maxim that the question here really is if it's a forgetcon or a retcon, but I don't think we can safely say one way or another. I definitely also agree that it's a contridictary answer - the mask has the drawback of not being able to create something the user doesn't already know how to create, but this drawback is completely negated by the secondary ability to give the user instructions for said thing, making the drawback completely and utterly irrelevant. Saying the user can be provided instructions, or make something out of thin air, and if doing the latter is also provided the instructions, has the same effect. One possible actual drawback may be that the creations made using the mask are perhaps not as exact or delicate as something made by hand, as suggested here: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page251#post10032-line12 Ultimately, the best solution would be to ask Greg but that does not seem like a possibility right now. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Would you ask him Wolk? I would say that until further confirmation about this contradiction, we should only use the World quote, as it was already elstablished, even if probably who asked the actual creation thing hadn't known about it.— SurelNuva (Talk) 14:29, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
The quote literally says "Does this mean that the Mask can actually create things, or can it only provide instructions for how something is to be created, as previously thought?". It's a question asking for confirmation that Greg intend to retcon the MoCr to also be able to create things after he made a comment implying it could. Is it really necessary to confirm a confirmation? And if so, should we also confirm the confirmation of the confirmation? --maxim21 15:17, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Then the power would be "It can provide the instructions of how to make something, then could make it out of thin air if it is desired." Which is why I like the book explanation better. But til the art contest over, we can't edit the page, unless an admin does it.— SurelNuva (Talk) 15:28, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough Maxim, that part escaped my mind. But yeah, we should probably alter the wording to present it as less of a drawback in that case, as the old presentation is very mind boggling. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:41, 10 October 2020 (UTC)