Talk:Water (Generation 1)

This isn't really about the "water" page in particular, but the gen 1 elements in general... i just put it on this one since it was the last one i was skimming through. Why do we bother calling this page "water (gen 1) if we don't have a page titled "water (gen 2)"? Wouldn't it be more organised to just call the page "water"? since it looks like we're not making separate element pages for gen 2, i don't think we need to bother with a disambig page. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)

The idea was to make a separate page for both gens, it's just something that hasn't been gotten to yet. -- Dorek _Talk 01:11, 10 January 2017 (CET)

But it was deleted from the AfC, so there will not be pages for the Gen2. The G2 Elements page is enough for them, because we don't have enough info about the G2 elements. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 13:10, 10 January 2017 (CET)

so should we rename them as just "element" instead of "element (gen1)"? (is renaming a page something only an admin can do?) (also, a little qc issue while i'm thinking of it, whenever i have this window i'm in smaller than fullscreen, the navigation bar on the left hand side (with the links for stuff like recent changes, random page, etc) overlaps with the site content and makes it impossible to read)Intelligence4 (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Toa-Exclusive Healing?

The article says that water-users can heal others, but it also says that Toa of Water do so by using water to channel Toa Power. Does this mean that Toa Power is needed to unlock the healing powers of water? If so, wouldn't that mean that only Toa of Water could use that power? - Toa Jala ^Converse 05:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't know where the idea that Gali was channeling Toa Power to do so came from, no source is provided for that. As far as I can tell, there's no indication healing isn't just a property of elemental water. ~ Wolk (talk) 06:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Nokama did it that way in BA7. Ah, but I missed the part where it says that Turaga can also do it. My bad. - Toa Jala ^Converse 18:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean this? I'm not even sure if this is her using it to heal. It could also just be her splashing cold water on Vakama's face to wake him up. Hard to say definitively.

EDIT: Ok, I see now. In Chapter 8, they used their combined power to heal an ash bear (this quote identifies it as Graahlok, but idk if that was confirmed somewhere already; this quote has several things of note, more on that later). Matau calls it "Toa power," but the narration says it was their elemental energies. If that was all, I would chalk it up to Matau's poor terminology. However, that Greg quote says this was the same healing power as the one in MoL, and the person asking the question seems to think it's actually their Toa power, and Greg doesn't challenge that. But I think given Greg's explicit confirmations that Turaga of Water can heal as well, that outweighs this vague and confusing quote. Dag (talk) 18:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, yeah, looking at this Greg quote again, first he says the healing in MoL and BA7 are the same, but then says "I really can't speak to what the scene was meant to convey, as I know as much about the movie story as you do. I didn't write it." Not sure how he can say they are the same if he doesn't know what the scene was meant to convey. Plus, especially from the novelization, it doesn't seem like Kopaka and Lewa contributed to Gali's healing, but tried something that didn't work, then Gali tried with Water and it worked (also, not sure how Lewa could've provided his Toa Power using Tahu's Magma Swords). However, the BA7 scene still does seem remarkably similar, and I missed it the first time, but the narration later on does say it was their Toa Power too. Dag (talk) 19:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

To me, it always seemed like they were combining Tahu's fire with Kopaka's ice (Tahu somehow channeling his power through the sword in his rage?), a sort of two-step process followed by the cleansing with the water. One to heal Kurahk's effect or sedate, and one to neutralize Lerahk's poison, maybe? The quote does also say it's a similar (but not the same) process used to cleanse infected Kanohi: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page319#post12747-line19,39 which Beware the Infected Kanohi says is done using elemental energies, and Greg said requires all six https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page194#post7741-line7-8 . ~ Wolk (talk) 20:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

That would fit nicely with BA7, which uses all six, but not MoL. Hmm. Dag (talk) 20:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

When the Toa Metru healed Graahlok, they wondered if that "raw energy" would recover like elemental energy did. So it definitely wasn't elemental energy, since they already knew that elemental energy would replenish. But I agree, the fact that Turaga of Water also have healing powers seems to suggest that Toa Power is not needed after all. In any event it's not "Toa-exclusive" if Turaga can do it, so that answers my question.

Also, I didn't know that the Ash Bear in BA7 was Grahlook. Neato. - Toa Jala ^Converse 05:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)