Talk:Treespeak
Move to Treespeak?
This is the same thing like Takua/Takanuva to me. I think, we should change it. --Fippede 19:43, 16 July 2014 (CEST)
Hapka's Treespeak
Should we add the treespeak words from Hapka's books or they are non-canon? Hapka had a bad hait of not using dashes between the merged words (she wrote wayfinder instead of way-finder) Also, that's 100% that every words are there from the comics & Farshtey books? — Surel—Nuva (Talk) 19:26, 6 August 2017 (CET)
- I was under the impression that the books series was all canon.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 23:19, 7 August 2017 (CET)
- The Hapka books have some non canon stuff or things which contradicts to the real canon, her books are considered semi canon. — Surel—Nuva (Talk) 23:52, 7 August 2017 (CET)
- Ah, that's true, Greg did change how the shadow toa were defeated later on for example, but if that's the case, I have no idea how were supposed to know which treespeak words are canon.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:14, 9 August 2017 (CET)
- Probably the ones which are featured in the MNOG/MNOG2, the comics and the Farshtey releated media. But the Hapka ones could be canon too, but I ain't sure about it... — Surel—Nuva (Talk) 09:40, 9 August 2017 (CET)
- Ah, that's true, Greg did change how the shadow toa were defeated later on for example, but if that's the case, I have no idea how were supposed to know which treespeak words are canon.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:14, 9 August 2017 (CET)
- Yeah I was thinking MNOG was good source of verification, but as far as words only appearing in Hapka's novels, it seems to me like they should be added because they don't contradict anything we know is canon.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 23:02, 9 August 2017 (CET)
So, the Hapka-style "answer-finding - finding the answer"/"pair-making - making pairs"-like treespeak should also be listed? I plan to add every single one that was used in the story, and I don't know if these are worth to mention or not.— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 06:23, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, it's not worth it. Honestly I think there are too many terms on the page already. Listing them all out might make sense if there were a fixed list of Treespeak words that speakers always pull from, but since you can pretty much throw together any two words to make a Treespeak term, there's no point documenting everything. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I believe there is, like Greg used a format to make them, and reuse them again and again, and it is clearly seen in the comics too, only make new ones when he though it is necessary, while Hapka just made more, sometimes a new one in the place of a preexisting one, like "airflying" instead of using "windfly." Also Lewa didn't use treespeak in any media up to end of the Bohrok-Kal strike, IIRC maybe the Bohrok-Kal Online Animations had him use treespeak for the first time and the Rahkshi comics + BC4, and it makes sense, as Lewa had to learn to speak & understand treespeak after he woke up, as he spoke normally in Karda Nui. Hapka just retconned that with having Lewa naturally know & speak treespeak, even if he never used it before.— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 03:44, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think all this information would be pretty worthwhile to compile in one place, especially when doing research different styles of treespeak across authors, as well as possible variations between Gregorian (perhaps a more Metru Nui-centric style) vs Hapka/Templar (more Mata Nui-centric styles) as well as generally having a lexicon of established canon or semicanon phrases. Even if this weren't included on the main page, perhaps this list could be unloaded onto a subpage? --Gonel (talk) 05:16, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- The templar mainly used the same material as Greg, as they used the established lexicon from the bionicle.com. Hapka has more words, that weren't featured on the lexicons, or in the comics, that she just made up. We could count them as non-canon, as the Divided We Fall text doesn't have treespeak, where she used in the book. And the BKOA had Lewa use 1 or 2 at most at the whole episode, which is like 1 treespeak/2 sentence, which lived up to the fact that Lewa was only learning to use treespeak naturally, through the months, not like how she had him use 2 or 3 in one sentence after he woke up. I also checked the original synopsys "book" and it neither had Lewa used treespeak during the 2001-2003/Bohrok-Kal storyline.— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 05:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, the list of terms is getting a bit unwieldy, and I think Morris is right in that it's more a dialect/way of speaking than a language with terms. THEN AGAIN there's that lexicon they put on that website back in the day, so ugh.
I kind of feel the same way with the languages page and those various terms. Maybe a list page (my favorite!) of both Matoran and Treespeak terms, and then maybe fuse Treespeak with languages? Just a thought. -- Dorek Talk 
05:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I would agree to make segments of all the known words, even if we don't count & remove the Hapka-exclusives, on the same way, as the old Lexicon on the bionicle.com did. And make a text that these are lists of the 'known' tree/chutespeek words.— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 09:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the treespeak lexicon when I wrote my last response, so thanks for letting me know about it. Also, I didn't realize others would find a list of all the words useful. Given those things, yeah, if people want it then go for it. I agree it'd be good to reorganize the language-related pages somehow. Putting vocabulary on a subpage or list page sounds good to me, and if others have thoughts please share them. As for the Hapka words, we could always add a footnote to them indicating that they may not be canon. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:32, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I like that idea; in addition to the citation, we can also add a little † or something to denote the source. Maybe we could just make a page called "Lexicon"? Might be a little too generic even though that's the term they used, but then also I'd like the Matoran language terms there as well. -- Dorek Talk 20:52, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- We can always add the (SC) after the "Hapka-exclusive" treespeak words, even tho I would find it more reasonable to not count the Lewa-treespeak from the 4 books up to the MoL, or not count the treespeak that was forced into the normal sentences from the comics.— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 21:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I like that idea; in addition to the citation, we can also add a little † or something to denote the source. Maybe we could just make a page called "Lexicon"? Might be a little too generic even though that's the term they used, but then also I'd like the Matoran language terms there as well. -- Dorek Talk
- I wasn't aware of the treespeak lexicon when I wrote my last response, so thanks for letting me know about it. Also, I didn't realize others would find a list of all the words useful. Given those things, yeah, if people want it then go for it. I agree it'd be good to reorganize the language-related pages somehow. Putting vocabulary on a subpage or list page sounds good to me, and if others have thoughts please share them. As for the Hapka words, we could always add a footnote to them indicating that they may not be canon. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:32, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I've made a Lexicon page which would serve as a master hub for the various terms, idioms, etc. and removed those from the main Languages page. If this new system is what we decide to use going forward, I would most likely get rid of Treespeak as a whole page at that point and redirect it to Languages. -- Dorek Talk 22:03, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- I feel like it makes more sense this way.— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 02:09, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Just want to acknowledge that yes, I linked to the treespeak lexicon in 2018 right below this.... Clearly I didn't read the rest of this page before responding, huh? :P -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 04:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well, I used the very same thing as ref on the page too :D — Surel—Nuva (Talk) 05:09, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
So now, that is has been moved, may I add all the known words there? Including the Hapka-exclusives with the (SC) tag? I mean in Greg texts there is significantly less tree/chutespeak words than in hers. — Surel—Nuva (Talk) 03:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah I think that's fine. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 03:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Official Treespeak lexicon
See here: https://web.archive.org/web/20030812131659/http://www.lego.com:80/eng/bionicle/lexicon.asp?contid=slang -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Another "lexicon" is inculded in the "Official Guide to BIONICLE," and if I'm right the BEU also includes words from the Treespeak/Chutespeak. — Surel—Nuva (Talk) 22:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Clingtwiner
In BC1, on page 4: "This sturdy clingtwiner will do, I expect," the bright green figure murmured to himself, stretching to grab a thick vine that was hanging down in front of him. His clingtwinter (cling-twiner?) treespeak? I'm not sure what exactly it would mean, just 'vine'? ~ Wolk (talk) 11:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, pretty much it means only "vine."— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 20:25, 4 October 2020 (UTC)