Talk:Mask of Mutation

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Undoing itself

Does it say that for the mask's effects to be undone, it must be undone by the same mask or the same user of the mask? Toa Magnemite 22:45, 7 April 2013 (PDT)

Same user; the next sentence says that they need specific knowledge of the mutations done, so that would apply to if the mask ever switched users. The point it moot, since the mask won't, but yeah. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 22:50, 7 April 2013 (PDT)


First, a question: Am I correct in assuming that anyone can undo edits, not just staff? I didn't want to do it, then get in trouble for it.

Second, regarding the disks: Greg said "Not solely, no" Meaning that the Mask of Mutation is not only made of Reconstitute at random. Not that there's more than reconstitute at random. I'd ask Greg for clarification, just to be sure.--Willess12 (talk) 02:21, 30 September 2014 (CEST)

Isn't that statement you just made contradictory? You just said it means that the Mask of Mutation is not only made of RaR disks. Then you not that there's more than Rar disks. I don't get where your coming from, don't they mean the same thing? Not solely, means there is more, but that is one of them. --Boidoh (talk) 02:29, 30 September 2014 (CEST)
You can undo edits if you feel strongly enough that the edit is not a helpful contribution - you just can't undo staff edits (unless there's something blatantly wrong, like vandalism, but even then it's best to look into it first).
In this case, the added "+ Unknown" should cover it, even if we try and avoid that as much as possible generally. More specifically, I just added an "if" function to the Kanohi template, so ones where it isn't known at all can just not appear on the template if so desired. Hopefully that should help in cases like this. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 02:33, 30 September 2014 (CEST)
Let me try and reword. Greg's answer said that the Mask is not made exclusively out of Reconstitute disks. He didn't say definitively whether Reconstitute disks are used or not. Like I said, I'd ask for clarification, but I'm not in charge, so...--Willess12 (talk) 02:48, 30 September 2014 (CEST)
The way I read it was that the Reconstitute at Random disks are then involved in the combination, but are not the sole ingredient. I see where you're coming from, however, in that it could imply that there is a combination of disks that produce a Mask of Mutation in addition to one involving Reconstitute at Random disk.
I think the former makes more sense because we've only ever seen a given combination of disks that produce a Kanohi. But if someone wants to ask for clarification, that's cool. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 03:01, 30 September 2014 (CEST)

This was discussed a while back on the Kanoka talk page, but I would like to revisit it and all relevant quotes.

"Would you say that a Kanohi Mask of Mutation would be made out of a Reconstitute disk?"
"No, because it wasn't made on Metru Nui so most likely was not made from a disk"[1]
"Is the Kanoka disk for the Mask of Mutation the Reconstitute at Random disk?"
"No. No reason to believe that mask was made using a disk."[2]

Both of these quotes agree; the Mask of Mutation likely was not made from disks because it was not made in Metru Nui. However, that does not mean it has no disk combination. For one, Greg's wording seems as if he is specifically talking about Miserix's Mask of Mutation, which probably was not made from disks, but again, this does not mean any Mask of Mutation cannot be made from disks. The idea that masks not made in Metru Nui have no disk combination is not logically sound (since any mask can be melted down and turned into a disk[3]) and has even been contradicted at times, like with the Kadin[4][5] and Olmak.[6][7]

"Could you confirm that the mask of mutation was made of Reconstitutes at random disks? Because that would be the only thing that really makes sense for the mask."
"I'm ok with that."[8]

If this is the case, this means the Mask of Mutation is identical to the Mask of Reconstitution. Both mutate a target over a distance[9][10] but cannot mutate the user.[11][12][13] There are three differences: 1) Reconstitution cannot control how the target mutates,[14] while Mutation can,[15][16] 2) Reconstitution is temporary (MN-CoL, p. 29), while Mutation is not,[17] and 3) Reconstitution is immoral,[18] while Mutation is not.[19][20] However, a Noble Mask of Mutation is said to have shorter duration of effect,[21] implying it too is temporary. Also, just because the Reconstitute disk is random does not inherently imply the mask is as well, as the Teleport disk is random, but the Kualsi is not (this is admittedly difficult to reconcile with "random" actually being in the name; although, Greg's suggested name of "Mask of Reconstitution,"[22] which does not contain "random," could imply that the mask is not random). That then only leaves the immoral issue, but if these two masks are completely identical, only different in moral status, should they not be considered the same mask?

"Was the Mask of Mutation made from Reconstitute at Random Kanoka?"
"Not solely, no"[23]

There are two interpretations of this quote. One is that, whatever Mutation's disk combination is, it is not solely Reconstitution, and Reconstitution might not even be a component of it. The other is that this is confirmation that Reconstitution is a component of the Mask of Mutation, but there are more disks in the combination. Either way, this conflicts with the first quote and the possibility that Mutation and Reconstitution are the same mask.

To summarize, the Mask of Mutation is nearly, maybe completely, identical to the Mask of Reconstitution, so it may be good to discuss whether they should be considered the same mask, and therefore whether the Mask of Mutation is indeed made from Reconstitute disks. Dag (talk) 23:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


I recall back when it was first canonized that we agreed not to put an image of Miserix's head because we didn't know where the mask begins and ends. Has anything changed since then? --Vartemp Talk 22:34, 29 September 2017 (CET)

Not sure. I wasn't around BSO1 until later, but if you want to bring it up, you could put it in the member opinions hub, (although I'm not sure anyone looks there) or we could set up a vote here I guess.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:44, 1 October 2017 (CET)