Talk:Toa Nuva

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Why didn't the Toa Nuva just go out to reawaken the great spirit immediately? Why did they have to help the matoran rebuild Metru Nui?Toakopaka8943 (talk) 01:56, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

Because Metru Nui not being operative is what slowly kills Mata Nui in the first place; before they turned on the juice, they needed to make sure the hard drive was intact, as it were. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 21:21, 1 May 2014 (CEST)

I thought that the matoran did not know that Mata Nui was a giant robot and that not working in Metru Nui would kill him.Toakopaka8943 (talk) 01:56, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

You're right. The Matoran and Turaga knew that Mata Nui was asleep and that the Toa Mata were destined to awaken him. They weren't entirely aware (maybe not at all) of the fact that Mata Nui was a giant robot, not just a guiding spirit/deity. The Toa and Matoran (and maybe the Turaga too) presumed that defeating Teridax would solve the problem, which is why they hung out on the island of Mata Nui for a while rather than head straight to the Southern Continent for the Ignika or to Karda Nui to kickstart the Codrex immediately. Plus, protocol necessitated that the island be cleansed first, among other things, so it made sense for the emergency systems to send them there. LockmanCapulet Crusty relics! 19:06, 2 May 2014 (CEST)

Also, welcome to the Wiki, Toakopaka8943! In the future, be sure to sign your comments on talk pages by using four tildes, ~~~~. You can edit your signature under "preferences" at the top of every page. LockmanCapulet Crusty relics! 19:06, 2 May 2014 (CEST)

Do you mean hung out on Metru Nui or do you actually mean Mata Nui.Toakopaka8943 (talk) 01:56, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

Oh yeah. And source?Toakopaka8943 (talk) 02:08, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

Well, they hung out on Mata Nui because only the Turaga knew about the inner Universe, and only went back to Metru Nui after the Turaga thought Makuta had been defeated and the way cleared. They then had to repair Metru Nui because they were aware that Metru Nui's state had an effect on Mata Nui (their disrupted work and city destruction on the Civil War is their example for that). If could be assumed that the Turaga thought repairing Metru Nui was the essential job to be done, as MN was only asleep and not dying like in the Great Disruption. And before the Toa Nuva could have, or should have, awakened Mata Nui there was a set list of instructions--as already mentioned--called the Scroll of Preparations for Mata Nui's Awakening.ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

Thanks and what's your source? Toakopaka8943 (talk) 08:35, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

Well, the Scroll of Preparations page should be source enough, but if you really want Greg-written material, I'd advise you to read the Toa Nuva Blog and the BIONICLE Legends books Prisoners of the Pit and Downfall. Those materials cover the Toa Nuva's quest to fix up the universe. Note that repairing Metru Nui is actually one of those tasks -- the task that essentially reads "fix the entire universe with the Staff of Artakha". ;) --Angel Bob (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2014 (CEST)

Yeah, about that. I mean BEFORE they went to the Southern Continent and Axonn told them to go to the Scroll of Preparations to fix Metru Nui. How did they know to repair Metru Nui without seeing the scroll of Preparations .Source on Zo Tomana's edit please. It would really help.:) Toakopaka8943 (talk) 05:46, 4 May 2014 (CEST)

They began fixing Metru Nui as soon as they got back inside the MU. The Matoran were planning to live there after all. The Scroll had to do with OTHER steps for preparing for MN's awakening. ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

So the Toa decided to repair Metru Nui because the matoran were going to live inside it? Or because they knew Metru Nui's state had an effect on Mata Nui? And what's your source? :) (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Toakopaka8943)

The Turaga would have been familiar with Metru Nui affecting MN's state. See the Matoran Civil War and the Great Disruption for that. The extent of the Toa Nuva's direct involvement with repairs to the city is unknown. Their primary mission was to awaken Mata Nui. See the entire story for that. They were sent to Voya Nui to seek the Mask of Life, and after that storyline they were directed to seek out the Scroll and fulfill its list of requirements. As to why they didn't immediately go to Karda Nui please remember they did not even remember such a place existed. See the '01-'03 storylines for evidence that their memories were damaged from their time in the Toa Canisters. The Turaga had to tell them about all of that, and the Turaga didn't do so until it was apparent that Mata Nui was dying. That event is directly relayed in the story. So why did they stop and possibly help repair Metru Nui? They didn't have anything else to do right then, it sucks to live in a broken city, and the Turaga did know (but might not have told the others) that Metru Nui's health had an effect on the health of the Great Spirit. The reason is not one or the other, but both. And my source is the story. Read the Toa Nuva Blog and the Legends Books, assuming you can get your hands on them. If not, read pages on this wiki. We have a wealth of material regarding the storyline on here. If you're asking for a very specific source for all this, I can't give it to you. The Toa Nuva Blog, Entry 9 is a pretty good one, though.
"Now it is time to ease that suffering and prepare the way for his return. . . What you see is a but a fraction of the power of the staff. . . Even now, its energies are reaching out from Metru Nui to the southern islands, undoing the damage that was done by Mata Nui's fall. Chasms are sealed; buildings restored to glory; mountains rise, and rivers flow once more."
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So the Toa Nuva didn't go out to reawaken the Great Spirit straight away in 2006 and rebuilt Metru Nui is because Metru Nui's state has an affect on Mata Nui and that it sucks to live in a broken city.Toakopaka8943 (talk) 08:28, 4 May 2014 (CEST)

Can't get legends books. Not in local library. Dad doesn't believe in buying books. What can I do?  :'(Toakopaka8943 (talk) 08:30, 4 May 2014 (CEST)

That's what I gather from the storyline, but don't leave out that they didn't really know exactly what they needed to do. The Turaga had to inform them that they needed to go do A and B, and then Axonn had to inform them of further steps before they could actually get to the final one.
A certain user has mentioned a place where you can apparently read them, but I haven't checked it out so I would use extreme caution. I personally don't recommend it because it's not legal due to copyrights to post such things online. I haven't read most of the books myself, I relied on BS01 to give me most of my storyline information in later years =) if you have other storyline questions, I'd like to direct you to a sister site of ours called BZPower. There is a whole forum on there devoted to storyline questions and theories with a lot of people who are more than capable of answering nearly any question about BIONICLE. ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

Thanks. But what's A and B? (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Toakopaka8943)

The specific instruction of "rebuild Metru Nui" was never a worded imperative, it was inferred from the fact that Teridax was preventing them from going back and that they needed a habitable city. The Turaga only understood that Metru Nui needed populating (and thus, rebuilding) insofar as that was their life before Mata Nui; they knew it was their job to keep Metru Nui running because that is what they were built/programmed to do. They, presumably, had seen what happens firsthand when Matoran don't work (the Matoran Civil War), and had always planned on coming back and living in Metru Nui again. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 05:44, 6 May 2014 (CEST)

A and B are just hypothetical steps. You could say that steps A&B are "Go to Voya Nui" and "get the Mask" but I just meant them as hypotheticals, not anything specific. ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

Thanks everyone. I get it Toakopaka8943 (talk) 08:08, 6 May 2014 (CEST)

Current Forms

Maybe this isn't the right place for this, but...

I propose that on the Toa Nuva's individual pages, we change the default forms on their templates to their regular Nuva forms, sans Adaptive Armor. We'd do the same with Tahu, only his current form would be his Mata form. My reasoning is this:

  1. I could be wrong, but we don't really know for certain that the Nuva are still using their Adaptive Armor. They could simply "turn it off" if they chose, causing them to revert to their regular appearences, right? It makes sense that they would still be using it (I certainly would be), but do we have it confirmed that they haven't deactivated their Adaptive Armor?
  2. If they are still using it, they almost definately don't look like they did in Karda Nui anymore. They wouldn't be trudging through desert or jungle in their sky- or swamp-adapted forms. And since their armor, weapons, and masks are liable to change shape at any time, wouldn't it make more sense to portray them in their "default" forms?

Thoughts? -- Great Jala Cthulhu fhtagn 10:42, 24 February 2016 (CET)

It's one of those things where, if they were ever to be depicted in media again which is never gonna happen but anyway, they would use the most recent forms, which is their adaptive armor. There are a few cases where it's just easier to go with a certain form, even if by the strictest definition it's not "current". -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:17, 24 February 2016 (CET)
So it's kinda like Journey of Takanuva, where their depictions would hypothetically have to reflect the sets even if the appearance is non-canon. Haha, it's easy for me to forget that BIONICLE is a story made for toys, and not the other way around. -- Great Jala Cthulhu fhtagn 06:53, 25 February 2016 (CET)