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Alive Vs. Revived

Which should we have it as. Technically he was revived by Takutanuva, but we had him simply marked as "Alive" after that. Other "Revived" characters are Red Star revivals. ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

I can see the point of distinguishing between "revived" and "deceased", but I also think it's a little fiddly. I don't know, honestly. It's so screwy. --Angel Bob (talk) 12:55, 10 March 2014 (CET)

It's not my call to make, but I'd say just "alive." All other "revived" cases are from the Red Star; to make the distinction, we should say "Alive." Maybe a subscript "Revived by Takutanuva"? LockmanCapulet Crusty relics! 13:39, 10 March 2014 (CET)

Perhaps leave the "Revived" tag, add the "by Takutanuva" subscript? ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

That would work too. I just think we need to make the designation. LockmanCapulet Crusty relics! 23:15, 10 March 2014 (CET)
Frankly, after some consideration, I think characters' life status should be binary: Alive or Deceased. The "revived" designator is covered by the character's location, bio, and/or inclusion in the Revived Characters category. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:21, 10 March 2014 (CET)
I'm still for keeping "revived", but Jaller and Takanuva are really the exceptions. Jaller's resurrection was supposed to be linked to the Red Star at some point, but that didn't really pan out with the way the story went, and Takanuva's circumstances are just completely unique, as far as we know. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 23:37, 10 March 2014 (CET)

this is an old discussion, but i think it needs to be brought up again, and i didn't want to unilaterally change it without talking about it: the revived status doesn't refer exclusively to the red star, so jaller, or at least his matoran form, should be listed as revived. either that, or we have to make a note somewhere that the other characters who are revived were revived by the red star. (which might not be a bad idea either way) Intelligence4 (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2017 (CET)

Can takanuva actually just revive people wen ever he wants George the toa of pig (talk) 04:51, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

No he can't. Takutanuva used Teridax's life force to revive Jaller. Takanuva cannot do this by himself.— SurelNuva (Talk) 07:36, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


Jaller is the only matoran on this entire wiki (I checked) who doesn't use the Mata Nui Online Game II for his "rebuilt" picture. Incidentally, his miscoloured comic picture is really ugly. Would anyone object terribly if I changed it? TakhamavahuExternal Image 10:36, 16 October 2014 (CEST)

Our general principle is to use a comic image if we have one. Since we do have a comic image for Jaller's rebuilt form, that's what we're using. And I don't find it all that ugly. --Angel Bob (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2014 (CEST)
I'm not particularly offended by the image either, but I'm not super fussy about whether or not it's used over the MNOG2 image. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 22:58, 16 October 2014 (CEST)
I think the rule of thumb is to use a comic image unless there isn't one, or the only ones are of poor quality. In this image, Takanuva and Vakama are sloppily cropped out and Jaller's colours are all wrong. A minor miscolouring wouldn't be a big deal, but Jaller's hands aren't even the same colour; they don't match each other let alone the set or promotional art. Anyway I think that qualifies as a poor enough quality to go with the second choice, and like I said, he's the only rebuilt matoran on the entire wiki who doesn't use MNOGII.

So thats why I'd like to change it. TakhamavahuExternal Image 00:29, 18 October 2014 (CEST)

The yellow hand could just be colored that way to show lighting or shininess. Notice the sparkles near the top of the mask. And I'm pretty sure I've seen quite a few miscolored parts by D'Anda. --Vartemp Talk 00:38, 18 October 2014 (CEST)

Well, if "comic images take precedence unless they're ugly" is the policy, then can we please change Sahmad's image as well? It's downright hideous. --Angel Bob (talk) 04:21, 18 October 2014 (CEST)

It's an encyclopedia for a toy. Why shouldn't looking good count? I'm not suggesting we change a bunch of pictures just for being ugly, but Jaller's picture has objective problems with it, and that is the policy- to use comic images unless they are unsuitable. I think this image of Jaller is unsuitable because of it's blatant colouring errors and sloppy cropping and my suggestion is that it be changed to one which does not exhibit the same problems. TakhamavahuExternal Image 01:52, 10 January 2015 (CET)

No but seriously I'd say it's an objective thing really. The coloring issue doesn't bother me (I think it's kind of cute, in its own way), but I'm not picky in this case. -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:26, 10 January 2015 (CET)

Combat Staffs

Do the weapons the Toa Inika used in the normal Lego sets count as weapons they used in the story? --Herofanofall (talk) 22:11, 22 October 2014 (CEST)

I can't remember what the verdict was on those. Unlike the Hordika's weapons I THINK these were just supposed to be generic, but I can't remember for sure. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 09:50, 23 October 2014 (CEST)
We could always ask Greg. *shrug* --Angel Bob (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2014 (CEST)
I'd rather not default to that just because nobody has done any research =P. Not that I mind them being canon one way or the other, but I'm sure it was asked at some point. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 08:45, 24 October 2014 (CEST)

Original name?

Should we use refer to Jaller and other renamed characters by their original names in their biographies as appropriate (e.g. call Jaller "Jala" in the Metru Nui section), or would that just lead to too much confusion? Also, speaking of which, wasn't Hahli named "Hali" at some point? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2014 (CET)

I agree. Though at the same time, didn't Greg refer to Jaller as Jala in that serial with Lhikan because of that whole Maori thing? --Boidoh (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2014 (CET)
It's something that comes up every so often, but essentially it's to avoid courting controversy. Those names weren't legal to use, so it wouldn't be right for us to use them as such. We still have to note it obviously (and since the change IS canon, it's a really weird grey area), but that's about all we feel comfortable doing.
Also, it's actually okay just to keep using names where the subject has changed it; there are plenty of Wikipedia articles that do the same (Augustus Ceaser was my first thought, and verified, although they have a particular section on why his name is what it is =P). -- Dorek Talk External Image 20:41, 20 December 2014 (CET)

Lhikan's Hau

Welp, Greg just confirmed that it would be reasonable to assume the Toa Nuva returned Lhikan's Hau to Jaller at some point, should we add that to the page? --LavaringX (talk) 20:26, 17 February 2017 (CET)

I've added. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:44, 17 February 2017 (CET)
Didn't he say that at some point before? i feel like he did. Intelligence4 (talk) 05:43, 30 May 2017 (CET)