The Great Fikou Debate
First of all, I would like to openly thank Dorek for the greatest idea I've ever heard in my life... A Fikou Nature Documentary. That is literally the best thing I've heard ever. I'll get around to making that. We should raise awareness of the Fikou. We should also have an International Fikou Day, but that's besides the point.
Eh em. Now to my problems. First of all... wait. That can be for later on this... thing. Going through the revision history of the Fikou page, it seems someone added this at one point. "A larger subspecies of Fikou exists, known as the Fikou-Nui." Where is this from? The Fikou-Nui sounds epic.
Now to finally begin addressing my main issue. OK, so Dorek has opposed adding the trivia about the brown/tan Fikou in the past, and still seems to hold onto that opinions.
"The bit about the specifics of the brown Fikou isn't really necessary. We're for detail, but there's a certain amount of esoteric info that just doesn't really contribute."
"There's just this level of granular detail that isn't really worth nothing. We're not a nature documentary on Fikou. If you want to keep asking Greg about what they're up to, that's fine, but up-to-the-minute plays aren't necessary for our purposes"
OK, so first it was in the biography sections. OK, fine. I understand. It's just something that only Fikou Experts like my self would care about. Fine. Now it is in the trivia section, or actually it WAS. So the trivia is just there for anyone who wants to know a little extra, or some fun facts about them, I suppose. So I added it there. Now its gone again. It is still BIONICLE fact. If it was not worth anything, Greg wouldn't have answered my question, as he has shrugged off several questions of mines as being irrelevant to the story in the past. Really, what is the problem about this small little trivia being there? It doesn't really affect anyone. The Fikou page probably is barely even visited, it hurts no one's life if this is there. If anything though, it makes the page even better. What someone would consider 'obscure rahi' has a page packed full with information and a ton of references. Is BS01 against having canon facts on their site?
I declare a vote.
Should the following Trivia be added to the Fikou page? "Currently, the only Fikou that have fully completed their migration from the Matoran Universe is the brown/tan Fikou, which have adapted to desert regions. " --Boidoh (talk) 02:06, 15 October 2014 (CEST)
- That's... not really how talkpages work, but I'll leave the rest of the stuff =P.
- Anyway, it says Fikou are migrating onto Spherus Magna. That's plenty, to me. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 02:20, 15 October 2014 (CEST)
- I sort of liked the extra info. I don't see any harm in including it. -Shine 02:37, 15 October 2014 (CEST)
- Because it was never finished. The events described therein were meant to be canon, but since the game was never finished, the elements not corroborated elsewhere in the story were relegated to non-canon, including the Fikou Nui. The BSS discussed that one before, but it ultimately wasn't canonized. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 17:48, 15 October 2014 (CEST)
- Allow me to amend that statement: the Fikou-Nui was discussed by the BSS, but before a conclusion could be reached, the 2011 BZP forum update happened and everything came to a sudden halt. By the time the new BZP forums had started, the BSS had more-or-less dissolved (especially due to GregF no longer being allowed to answer questions through BZP) and this was never resolved. That being said, tallying up the responses from the posts (since the actual poll tally is no longer available), canonizing the Rahi was met with overwhelmingly positive reception and, while the name "Fikou-Nui" met some contention among voters, there were still considerably more proponents than opponents. bonesiii's last comment on the matter before the forum update suggested that the Rahi and the name would be passed as canon... but then, of course, the forum update happened less than a week later.
- Just wanted to make this clearer, since your wording might have confused someone who wasn't following the BSS poll at the time. This was something that the majority of fans wanted to see canonized, and the reason it wasn't canonized was due to unfortunate timing rather than the BSS officially debunking it (unless, of course, there was some decision reached behind-the-scenes) or the majority of fans saying that they did not want it canonized. And, I will admit, I am pleased to see that, years later, this has finally been settled. --PeabodySam (talk) 05:56, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
- True, the process was not concluded properly, but I was referring to the fact that it wasn't sent to Greg at all, which the BSS as a whole (since I'm privy to those discussions, being a member of it =P) decided to not go through with because of the update. We still had avenues to contact Greg at the time, but with BZP down for the extended period, it was (somewhat informally, granted) decided that the discussions would be shelved permanently. The impression was this is where canon decisions would stop, since there wasn't a process for vetting. Greg, clearly, had other plans.
- I was more referring to the behind-the-scenes discussions, granted, not the poll itself, which I should have made clearer.
- Fair enough. Thank you for the clarification.
- I only heard about the Fikou-Nui being recently canonized when it was mentioned by a poster in your topic on BZP. I agree with the viewpoint that a single fan who keeps pestering Greg on the LMBs until he finally gives in and canonizes some term (i.e. the whole "Toa Cordak" issue) is not a good thing. In fact, I remember that this was the reason the BSS was founded in the first place: to distill fan suggestions and receive community feedback before bringing them to Greg (bonesiii even mentions this in said topic), and the current LMB method completely undermines this.
- I thought it's worth noting that, while "Fikou-Nui" was ultimately canonized through the LMB method, it was distilled through the BSS and did receive community feedback (even if the actual canonization was completely unrelated to the BSS poll), unlike "Toa Cordak" and other such suggestions. It's just my two cents that this is how the canonization issue ought to be handled, if in the hands of fans at all. Not one fan or two fans who keep pestering Greg with their idea, but a whole group of story-savvy fans who critically analyze the idea and, if it meets approval, only then bringing it to Greg. That's where I personally stand on the issue. --PeabodySam (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
- Sorry, for clarification: "Toa Cordak" may not have been the best example for me to use when talking about the LMB issue. I know that "Toa Cordak" was canonized by Erebus asking Greg to confirm his old theory, rather than some random LMB user pestering Greg. But what I am seeing is contention from other fans who feel that this theory doesn't make sense and wish that it could have been discussed by others before bringing it to Greg for canonization. --PeabodySam (talk) 18:41, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
Hey, this is why I made that topic; I'm interested in seeing what people have to say. The Fikou-Nui may not be the best example (and why I haven't just deleted it =P), but it's all worth thinking about. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 19:48, 19 October 2014 (CEST)
Umm, guys, if the 1st source counts, the Fikou Nui is non-canon.
- Official Greg Discussion, May 31 2004, 01:34 PM:
:2) Does the Fikou Nui from the cancelled Legend of Mata Nui game exist in the official storyline?
Not that I know of, no.
- Official Greg Discussion, Aug 15 2006, 09:15 AM:
:Is the Fikou Nui considered part of the official canon?
- -Kraahkan-User300 [/quote]
Sorry, that is not something I have ever heard of.[/quote]— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 18:32, 5 April 2017 (CET)
- Interesting. It sounds like Greg didn't know about the Fikou-Nui at the time he provided these answers, hence why he said it's not canon. However, if Boidoh filled him in on the Fikou-Nui on the LMBs and Greg approved after finding out more, I imagine it still counts as canon. Thoughts? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:05, 14 April 2017 (CET)