Talk:Dume

Just a question, why are we using the movie-style comic illustration for this page? Is it because the set-style illustration is black due to being a vision? (And on that note, why did they use the movie-style Dume for the comic in the first place?) Cheesy Mac n Cheese (talk) 01:15, 24 May 2015 (CEST)

Bit of both. It's not in color, not technically the real Dume, etc. As for why, I assume it's because they told the artist to draw Dume and he said "what's a Dume" and googled it. -- Dorek _Talk 03:12, 24 May 2015 (CEST)

Toa/Turaga Dating

Anyone know where the 17,000 BGC date comes from? I haven't checked the MGttMU yet, but the BEU didn't have any reference to this, although I know the 15,000 one comes from BIONICLE: World. --Gonel (talk) 15:56, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

It's Makuta's Guide, precisely 17,500 years. Master Inika ^(Talk) 04:25, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Inconsistencies (Questionable legitimacy citation that he is from Metru Nui and Being The Only Turaga of Metru Nui

Greg has said that both Lhikan and Dume are native to Metru Nui here, and seeing as everything else implies and nothing disproves that Dume himself was from Metru Nui, I think it should be included (it is kind of implied on this page, but never actually stated), but I don't know for certain if I should and how to handle the fact that the second part of the answer(and the first, if it were in violation of established canon as well) were non-canon in a response. Greg has also said once in 2014 that there wasn't any other Turaga of Metru Nui before or Turaga who lived on Metru Nui during Dume's time in office. I feel like we probably have sources that rule this second inconsistency as not true, and likely just the result of Greg forgetting or thinking they wanted to know if there were any Turaga which we knew well/had the name of, but I feel like it is at least something worthy of a note. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

We already have answers to these questions, all of which are cited on Dume's page. Also, most of the links you posted do not link to what you are claiming.--ToaKebaka (talk) 19:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I fixed the first link, but the other 2 are what I said they were (the now-corrected first link pertaining to lines 2,3, and 9, the second pertaining to the entire post, and the third link pertaining to lines 5 and 13). I checked the content page again and notice I did miss something, which is a single citation in the trivia section relating to an somewhat offhand part of a response. Nowhere else on the page did it mention him being native to or not being native to, or even living on Metru Nui before becoming a Turaga. Maybe you have been in the community longer than I have, and it was settled in the past, and I do believe that there is probably at least one or two more citations that I couldn't find, which given the imperfect(this isn't to much of a complaint for a something that Bionicle fansite) search function on The Great Archives site and the fact that not everything was preserved, is a reasonable assumption, but if any of that did happen, it has erroded away, and I can only work with what I have available. I have only been a contributer for 5 years, much less time than a lot of the others on here, and I don't mean to take over or seem like I know everything or am necessarily the first to discover these posts from years or even decades ago, but that is why I am putting this in the talk section, as I don't know if there is something I am missing(though if I am missing it, visitors will also be missing it). I have been really busy, and now am working on 6 pages and have 51 tabs of the Great Archives open, and 11 pages BS01 open(with another 6 on my phone), and so it can be a little hard to even check if I've found everything. I will wrap up by saying this - I do believe that most sources would be stronger cases for whether he was native to Metru Nui or not, but I haven't personally found any(until I found the source in the trivia section, which didn't come up in my initial searches and was a slip-up on my part, though the source is just about as likely to have been a slip-up or non-checked fact by Greg), and even still, I exercised reasonable restraint and left it on the talk page. Sorry for sounding defensive, I just don't quite know what the tone you were trying to convey was, and I want to get any unnecessary arguing with you or anyone else out of the way. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page174#post6931-line192,197 ~ Wolk (talk) 02:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Consise, but sufficient. Should these errors(I'm assuming we can agree that him being the only Turaga of Metru Nui througout history can considered an error and/or a mistunderstanding) be included on this page and Lhikan's? Also, regardless of that, we should probably add something saying that they came to Metru Nui as Toa, with the citation included, and saying they are were orignially from elsewhere in the Matoran universe. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 04:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Lhikan's and Nidhiki's pages already establish that they came to Metru Nui as Toa, however, that is not what the quote says; it says that they were Toa before coming to Metru Nui. In Dume's case, it seems more likely that he came there as a Turaga. And no, I don't think it's necessary to add the 2014 quote. ~ Wolk (talk) 05:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Firespitter Lhii, sorry, I should have elaborated in my previous response. You were right in noticing that the only mention of Dume not being from Metru Nui is in the trivia section. I assumed it was more common knowledge and didn't realise the page doesn't make that clear. I reasearched Dume some time ago, so this knowledge has been engraved in my mind because there are quite a few meantions of this. Either direct like Wolk cited, or indirect such as this:

Q: Where the Toa Metru the first matoran to become Toa? I am curious about this because Whenua says "Since when are Matoran just zapped into Toa?" and he is the history buff. A: They were the first Metru Nui Matoran to become Toa, not necessarily the first Matoran ever.

I guess it would be worthwile to create a short Matoran subsection to Dume's biography, where these sources would be cited.--ToaKebaka (talk) 22:31, 3 February 2024 (UTC)