Talk:Nidhiki
Hey, I've been trying to add to Nidhiki's info box by including a section on his Matoran status-since we know that he was a Matoran before becoming a Toa or a Dark Hunter. However, I can't figure out how to get that information in there. I've looked at other pages to get the needed code for Matoran, and attempted and checked the changes multiple times, but I just can't figure it out.--Hechidnat 21:35, 5 December 2012 (PST)
- The main issue stems from the fact you're using the DarkHunter infobox, which is not set up for a Matoran entry that I am aware of. I might be wrong, I am on my phone at the moment typing this, perhaps someone can correct me or the template. -
Owner (talk|contribs) 10:03, 6 December 2012 (PST)
- Fix tabber Swert, then we won't have this problem =D
- Swert is right in that the DH template doesn't support a Matoran form in addition to a Toa form; this was mostly intentional to avoid too much coding and generally too much page clutter. It wasn't worth adding an extra section for only one that would actually use it, which is Nidhiki.
- If Swert actually gets tabber to work as it should, we would probably add in the third section regardless. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 12:47, 6 December 2012 (PST)
- Thanks for the info. Also, given that Spinner, Prototype, and Savage were all Toa before becoming Dark Hunters, isn't it possible that they could also stand in need of Matoran boxes? Granted, we don't have that confirmed so far as I know, but it's a possibility.--Hechidnat 21:51, 8 December 2012 (PST)
- Prototype, specifically, no, because he is treated as a fusion. Spinner and Savage, probably, but again, not worth coding in. If tabber works, well, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch because there would be no clutter, but nothing is going to happen at this particular moment. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 12:42, 9 December 2012 (PST)
Not from the peninsula
Official Greg Dialogue: Jul 17 2008, 02:25 PM
8- Nidhiki came from an island where Toa weren’t thought very highly of and since the Tren Krom Peninsula is ruled by Gorast and Makuta and Toa aren’t such good friends. Could it be possible that Nidhiki came from the Tren Krom Peninsula?
8) No. You answered your own question when you said the word "island." A peninsula is not an island.
— Surel—Nuva (Talk) 10:58, 21 August 2017 (CET)
Toa Empire Execution
I found this quote:
https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page91#post3619-line2,5
So does this mean that Nidhiki was eventually executed in the Toa Empire Alternate Universe? Or is it a hypothetical scenario? The answer is in response to a hypothetical question, but the wording makes it seem like it happened in the non-hypothetical world as well ("had", rather than "would have had").
The Jerminator (talk) 18:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- The question itself is hypothetical to begin with, so the answer is just as hypothetical as the question was at the first place. Greg never said that the Empire Nidhiki is dead, nor was referenced anywhere. And Greg used would throughout the answer, when he used to speak about facts, he used past tense instead of "would" everywhere.--Surel (Talk) 21:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
"Spider" Form
When it comes to the alternate mode the set for Nidhiki shows, I believe we generally regard that as non-canon, but should it at least warrent trivia, seeing as it does shown up in a vision Vakama has in BIONICLE 21: Dreams of Darkness. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 07:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- Why would it be non-canon? Nidhiki can decide to position his body however he wants - if the set can do it, he can do it too. Btw, the comic 21 is not the only place it's used, Nidhiki also uses this "form" in Advance CG art, which is also story material.--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is at least questionable, and while I still hold by the fact that it should be mentioned, it really doesn't live up to a reasonable standard for canonicity. The only place we see it in non-render images, which given they are just meant to show the figures as they appear as toys. One image on one comic in a vision sequence shows him in this form, and those comics already can be non-canonical in the visuals at times, as it is stylistic and adapted more to work as comic panels. Nidhiki is never describe in any text or actual description as being able to do this, and while it could be something his body is capable of, it does have him turning his head backward and upward, his torso folding in half, and him transitioning from having his front legs becoming his back ones and vice-versa. While not out of the realm of possibility, something like this would need a decently sturdy foundation to stand on if it is to be considered canon. Again, I still think it should be mentioned on this wiki, regardless of canonicity. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 08:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm interested in what do you mean by "reasonable standard for canonicity"? Is appearing in several official media formats for story material not enough? If you doubt the relevance of the picture I posted, the CG renders and/or animations by Advance are to be considered story material as explained in an interview in Blocks magazine #85. All of those represent scenes from the story and are intended to depict not only what the toy can do, but also what it cannot do (but the character can) because of the constraints of physical product (story ads vs product ads). What we are discussing here, the toy can do as well, and the story shows/references it multiple times. The render I posted is a scene from Whenua's Toa Metru CD where he rescues Tehutti. It is explained by Tehutti that he was just trapped by Nidhiki in that place, so it shouldn't be surprising Nidhiki is sneaking around still. He has been watching all of this unfold from the shadows and this is noted several times in the story, so this is consistent. As to the vision in the comic, that can imply Vakama has seen Nidhiki in that "form" before. But I think "form" is a strong word here, as this is basically Nidhiki repositioning his body slightly akin to a 2-legged vs 4-legged Vahki stance. For example, is me doing a handstand not canon because people do not normaly walk that way? The capabilities of a toy figure are but a subset of the capabilities of the character in story. Brutaka's mechanical dagger holders are also "toy only", yet we know he has them. If anything, this alternative stance for Nidhiki has more going for it, because it is actually used in story.--ToaKebaka (talk) 17:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Generally, the sets are considered canon unless stated otherwise. In the Tiers of Canonicity that we ran by Greg, sets are effectively at the top. In this particular case, no one has asked Greg about it as far as I've found, and as brought up it does also appear in media, so this may very well just be a thing he can do in his mutated state. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm interested in what do you mean by "reasonable standard for canonicity"? Is appearing in several official media formats for story material not enough? If you doubt the relevance of the picture I posted, the CG renders and/or animations by Advance are to be considered story material as explained in an interview in Blocks magazine #85. All of those represent scenes from the story and are intended to depict not only what the toy can do, but also what it cannot do (but the character can) because of the constraints of physical product (story ads vs product ads). What we are discussing here, the toy can do as well, and the story shows/references it multiple times. The render I posted is a scene from Whenua's Toa Metru CD where he rescues Tehutti. It is explained by Tehutti that he was just trapped by Nidhiki in that place, so it shouldn't be surprising Nidhiki is sneaking around still. He has been watching all of this unfold from the shadows and this is noted several times in the story, so this is consistent. As to the vision in the comic, that can imply Vakama has seen Nidhiki in that "form" before. But I think "form" is a strong word here, as this is basically Nidhiki repositioning his body slightly akin to a 2-legged vs 4-legged Vahki stance. For example, is me doing a handstand not canon because people do not normaly walk that way? The capabilities of a toy figure are but a subset of the capabilities of the character in story. Brutaka's mechanical dagger holders are also "toy only", yet we know he has them. If anything, this alternative stance for Nidhiki has more going for it, because it is actually used in story.--ToaKebaka (talk) 17:49, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is at least questionable, and while I still hold by the fact that it should be mentioned, it really doesn't live up to a reasonable standard for canonicity. The only place we see it in non-render images, which given they are just meant to show the figures as they appear as toys. One image on one comic in a vision sequence shows him in this form, and those comics already can be non-canonical in the visuals at times, as it is stylistic and adapted more to work as comic panels. Nidhiki is never describe in any text or actual description as being able to do this, and while it could be something his body is capable of, it does have him turning his head backward and upward, his torso folding in half, and him transitioning from having his front legs becoming his back ones and vice-versa. While not out of the realm of possibility, something like this would need a decently sturdy foundation to stand on if it is to be considered canon. Again, I still think it should be mentioned on this wiki, regardless of canonicity. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 08:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
