Talk:Gravity

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Upper Limit

On my user page, I've been collecting quotes for quantifying the power levels of different beings, mask, etc. Just for headcanon and archival purposes, especially due to the highly contradictive nature of the subject. However, one of the few things that I don't believe has been contradicted is Nuhvok-Kal having the same amount of Gravity power as the Garai and, since Elemental masks give a Toa level control over the Elements, Toa of Gravity[1] (the only differences are due to the difference in willpower and experience, not actual power level[2][3][4]). The Gravity Shield used by Nuhvok-Kal can increase gravity up to 1,000 times according to the BEU. Can this upper limit be reasonably extended to the Garai and Toa of Gravity as well? Dag (talk) 03:59, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Unless the Bohrok-Kal are written im hyperbole. I think there's asimilar case with the temperature of Plasma from Pahrak-Kal? ~ Wolk (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't think they are. When Nuhvok-Kal and Toa of Gravity are not only capable of crushing objects with gravity, but also creating black holes (by losing control or a Nova Blast), it doesn't seem unreasonable. And for Pahrak-Kal heating up to 2,000 degrees, it's actually an understatement compared to real life plasma, which has a minimum temperature of 11,000 F/6,000 C/6,000 K. Definitely not hyperbole, but I suppose they could still be figures of speech and not meant to be taken literally. However, very rarely are specific quantifiable numbers used, and when they are, they're usually literal, from what I understand. Dag (talk) 05:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

How does Gravity work?

So, there's quite a few contradictions with how the powers of Toa of Gravity and the Garai work. First, we know with absolute certainty that the Garai, being an Elemental mask, grants it's user Toa level control over Gravity.[1][2][3][4][5] The only difference is that Elemental masks generally cannot absorb their respective elements,[6][7] but since Toa of Gravity can't either,[8][9][10][11][12] that's no issue here. This means that whatever a Toa of Gravity is capable of, the Garai is as well (minus a Nova Blast, of course). However, that's where the problems start.

According to the BEU and some Greg quotes, the Garai can only increase or decrease the gravity of a target, not the user.[13][14][15] While Greg has said Toa of Gravity can only increase or decrease Gravity as well,[16][17][18] he has made contradictive statements, like saying the Garai is capable of absorbing gravity to jump higher,[19] and both can completely change the direction of gravity to walk on walls.[20] He has also said both the Garai and Toa of Gravity can affect their own gravity to achieve a form of flight,[21][22] but cannot affect both a target and themselves at once.[23]

If I were to propose a solution, I would say that both the Garai and Toa of Gravity cannot absorb gravity from an area (which is already what the page says), only able to increase or decrease the gravity of a target, and not themselves. This wouldn't change anything about how the Garai operates, but would limit Toa of Gravity compared to what the page currently says they are capable of. Dag (talk) 22:32, 18 April 2021 (UTC)