Talk:Zaria

Infobox Color

Shouldn't the infobox color be grey or something instead of orange? it looks like a su-toa's page haha. Intelligence4 (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2016 (CET)

I was thinking in metallic gray, because it's the color of his armor. (By the way this orange is darker than the Su-Matoran's orange) -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 22:50, 18 October 2016 (CET)

i'd say that works :) Intelligence4 (talk) 23:25, 18 October 2016 (CET)

so it's been a while, but the color hasn't been changed. I don't know how to do that - if i try to change the color here, will it only change it for this page, or all iron related pages? Intelligence4 (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

You can change it by changing the bg_color parameter in the infobox. It'd only change the color on this page. There are only a handful of other few articles that would need changing--this, Phantom, and Iron are all that come to mind, since Nynrah Ghosts uses an unrelated organization color. That said, you should probably ask Swert about changing an entire element's color. It may also be good to think more generally about what other colors on BIONICLEsector01:Color Index should be changed. (Is there a comprehensive list of official Bionicle colors somewhere? The 2006-8 style guides have a bit of info I think, and maybe if/when Faber gives away a style guide we'll have more color info. We could also think about using Lego piece colors from Brickset.) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

what was the last thing we heard about that style guide? we'll see what swert has to say, but i definitely think we should use a more derivative color for iron/metal instead of a shade of orange. Intelligence4 (talk) 13:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Toa Code

The page says, "zaria was later forced to kill a Makuta during necessary circumstances, violating the Toa Code. "

Is this really a violation of the toa code though? given that it was necessary circumstances, i think it would have not been a violation. i think the issue was that he felt he had violated it, not that he actually did. Intelligence4 (talk) 22:14, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

For context, here's the relevant quote from TYQ:

"He was one of the last of the Toa of Iron, having seen most of his friends killed by Makuta. Somehow, he had survived the purge, even managing to destroy one member of the Brotherhood. It had been necessary, but also a violation of the Toa code against killing. It was believed that the experience left ZARIA feeling like an outcast, in more ways than one. There were rumors that he began routinely slaying his enemies, but no one was certain if that was the truth."

And one from Greg (source):

"1. Is it ever acceptable for a Toa to kill under the Toa code? On BS01, it states that ‘one of the key rules is that Toa must not kill their enemies, unless they have no other choice’. However, Zaria killed a Makuta under ‘necessary circumstances’, and that violated the Code. Is there any circumstance in which Toa can kill?

"1) Pretty much no. There are times it has happened, when a Toa has unintentionally killed an enemy, and that is not considered a violation. But I see their code as being akin to Superman’s -- who once said if he ever used his powers to kill a foe, he would retire."

Seems like intentional killing is never acceptable, even if it's necessary. Maybe the idea is that you've failed as a Toa if you let evil grow so far out of control that killing is the only way to stop it. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:46, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I think the second part is also an interesting distinction; the idea that Zaria has continued to operate AS a Toa (the employment, not the species) despite the violation contributes to this perception; maybe the circumstances were self-defense, but once the deed is done and you don't show the proper atonement, then the narrative is out of your hands.

There's a story in there somewhere. -- Dorek _Talk 10:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

definitely a story i'd read, that's for sure.

I'm thinking about how zaria's killing of a makuta compares to the toa nuva's killing of the makuta in karda nui. I guess you could say that the nuva allowed them to die and didn't actually kill them, but whatever zaria did was more active than passive, and so is considered killing...? Intelligence4 (talk) 13:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)