Talk:My LEGO Network BIONICLE Campaign Walkthrough

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I created this page because the game is official canon, and re-playing through it I noticed that there are a lot of quotes and what-not, so doing what was done with MNOG and MNOGII would only be fit for this also. By the time the page is up, it probably wont be complete. Since I had to create a new account to play it, my new account only had 20 clicks, and I have to wait for it to reload. So I hope the page being unfinished isn't a problem. I only hope this page isn't mercilessly deleted...

A couple things though. Some parts will come across as weird because of the structure of how MLN is set up. I, or someone else who is interested, would probably need to ask Greg some clarification questions, such as how was the Hero Agori recruited, how the trades occurred, and stuff like that, which are usually tossed aside as game mechanics.

This may need re-writing in some parts, but IMO, it is still a good thing to have, since there are a lot of quotes which I think would be nice to have sorted in a fashion similar to how the MNOG and MNOGII walkthroughs were.

And another thing (If you haven't noticed, I am writing this as I write the walkthrough, and somethings occur to me), I wanted to have those little links to each item, such as a Vulcanus Torch, but seeing the format of how the MLNBC Item list is, I don't think that would be possible. It may be though, since I haven't really been savvy with wikicode as I have forgotten much of how to use it since I haven't edited much on a wiki for over 3 or so years.

Another thing, I'm not sure if the mail are actual mail, as in letters, or direct conversations face to face. I'll just put what seems fit, and anyone who thinks it should change, can change it, if this page isn't mercilessly deleted.

Another thing, again, some of the stuff are directly from their Network page and I include it just for safekeeping it. For lack of a better word. Stuff like the description of characters.

I bet I just wasted my entire afternoon on this thing. Seeing as you cannot copy and paste message from MLN, it really tires me.

Also again, several quotes you stuff such as 'you' so I replace it with words like 'I' and 'me'. Most of the stuff in it are quotes directly from MLNBC, but some have been slightly modified, but the core message is the same, just with different pronouns in some cases.

And I decided I will probably save the page here at this point. I'm really exhausted after all this. I will immediately pick up on it after a quick snack. I hope this is appreciated and not just mercilessly deleted. --Boidoh (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

This is a really, really good idea, and I applaud you for it.
However, just as a point of professionalism, your walkthrough seems to switch between past tense and present tense frequently. Stick to one tense; otherwise, it's hard to read.
Also, your narration adds a few too many individual thoughts and details ("Of course, in a world like Bara Magna, you would need items to trade, and I had next to none"). Avoid giving the Hero Agori characterization that he/she/* did not receive in official story. Using first person is wise, because it avoids using pronouns to describe the Hero Agori, whose gender should not be specified.
Those are just my points of criticism. Otherwise, everything looks well. I must reiterate: this is a REALLY good idea, and you have my full support, should anyone dispute it. It would be fool of us to pass up making a record when we have the information. I wish you well. --Angel Bob (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
Oh, and another small criticism: I think your section breaks are too frequent, and the sections themselves are too brief. Try to lump them together; for example, combine your first two sections ("The Dwindling Flames of Vulcanus") and ("Vision in the Embers") into one section detailing Raanu sending the Hero Agori on a quest. The next four parts (up to "A small victory") should also be fused, because they all deal with the Hero Agori's mission to Malum's pack. The next two parts both take place in Tesara, so they should also be joined. As a general rule, I would say you should organize the parts by village (Berix+Tarix, Metus+Strakk, Atakus+Skrall). That will lend the walkthrough a more streamlined and organized feel. ;) --Angel Bob (talk) 01:01, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
Thanks :D
Though technically, the Hero Agori, the player, HAD next to no items. Just the 50 Red Bricks and I avoided trying to use stuff like that which is probably non-canon. I'll fix up those when I'm finished with including all the important stuff. I will also maybe try to have Greg confirm the gender of the Hero Agori too.
I do agree with your points of criticism though. It kinda makes it like a fanfic in a sense when I add the characterization.
And if you haven't noticed already, that just a thing of mine. I, for some odd reason, like those little small obscure stuff no one really cares about, and try to do something with it. I don't know why, I just like that stuff. I'll continue with the main article when my MLN clicks refill. And I'm tired anyways so...
Oh and I want to add a picture to the front page. Do you have an idea of what font is used on the photos that are used on the MNOG and MNOGII walkthrough photos?
Ok, I'll do that now, since I have to wait for the clicks and what not. Btw, Is there like one of those stuff I can put at the top of the page to show it is incomplete? --Boidoh (talk) 01:06, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Really, what takes so long with this, is that you cannot copy and paste from MLN. On another note, there are a couple of typos from the letters you receive in MLN, I kept the typos, should I have done that?--Boidoh (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Agh, no! If we let Greg give the Hero Agori a gender, he'll choose male! He always does! D: --Angel Bob (talk) 02:51, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
Or say something like "that information doesn't exist" --Boidoh (talk) 02:53, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
I feel like the references section should be renamed "Footnotes" on this one, since that seems to be more its point. Also, is there a reason to use this painful "<br/><br/>" instead of normal paragraphs on walkthroughs? (I noticed it's also present on the MNOG Walkthrough, but fail to see the point). Anyway, I think that's a good idea to have a page like that. maxim21 08:38, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Footnotes it is then. Also: https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-General/Chat-with-Greg-Farshtey/m-p/10850973/highlight/true#M248138 Bah--Boidoh (talk) 16:37, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

I'll pick up again at 5:00PM, its 12:12 right now. I need to go somewhere. --Boidoh (talk) 20:16, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Different Pages?

If it is going to be by location (eg. Vulcanus, similar to how it goes in MNOG as Ta-Wahi) should there be different pages? Opinions? --Boidoh (talk) 17:12, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Use Different Pages

Keep it all on one page

  • IMO, there's not enough material under each section to merit separate pages. Just look at the "Wastelands" section -- it's barely half the size of a MNOG Walkthrough page. With a bit of revision, the walkthrough can easily be kept to one page. --Angel Bob (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Comments

  • I'd like to see what are other opinions on this. I personally think that we should use different pages to keep the style of all walkthroughs similar. The MNOG and MNOGII walkthroughs have them separated, I think this one should too. It is just as good and canon as MNOG and MNOGII. --Boidoh (talk) 18:12, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
  • I'll wait for a couple more opinions on this before doing it, because what I'm about to do with Iconox would look messy seeing how the page currently is. --Boidoh (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
  • Maybe there could be a sort of middle ground between this. What I wanted to have multiple pages for is to have, like how the MNOGII one has it, with a page with Misc. Information. This is also the point where there are probably some non-canonical scenarios. I'm assuming the canon route is when the HA helps Metus, rather than using the fake module one to get Iconox's Favor. I think having multiple pages would be better for some stuff like that. Otherwise the entire page would look clogged up. --Boidoh (talk) 18:52, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
  • Any more opinions? --Boidoh (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

Update Log

Just a little log thingy to keep track of small things I want to remember later down.

So there are several typos in the game, many actually.

  • "Berix, Tajun, through no faults of it's own," I'm sure this is supposed to be its, because it's is it is, and that doesn't make much sense.

I'm sure there were a tons of other typos I never recorded, so I'll start now ignoring the past ones.

  • "That's real sweat and all..."

Metus says this one. I'm assuming he means "That's real SWEET and all"

  • Ataku's Mark...

I'm near confident this is supposed to be Atakus' Mark. I'll ask Greg for a little clarification, just for official confirmation. Maybe I'll try to convince him to play through the campaign.

Typos

I was wondering what was the general opinion of this. Should we keep the typos in?

Keep the Typos

Fix the Typos

  • maxim21 17:48, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
  • The grammarian in me can't stand to see these typos in official story. However, I must admit that the precedent (in story serials) is to keep the original phrasing, typos and all. Still, I absolutely hate them and would want to see them corrected. "It's" instead of "its" is particularly aggravating to me. --Angel Bob (talk) 18:48, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Comments

I really don't know which to do... --Boidoh (talk) 17:23, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

You know what is needed? a way to correct the typos, yet also show how it was originally. But how could that be done?--Willess12 (talk) 17:44, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
I was thinking of a page to have as a sort of text dump for how everything was originally, but I'm not sure whats the proper way of making a page for that. --Boidoh (talk) 17:46, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
I think when there's a typo, we should correct it but also put a reference (in a different group than footnotes) to show the original way it was written while keeping it easier to read. maxim21 17:48, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
That's a good idea. But how do you put a reference in a different group? --Boidoh (talk) 17:57, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
I just made an example on my sandbox, I hope that's clear enough to show how that would work. maxim21 18:03, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
I'd recommend we keep typos but write [sic] after them to show they aren't mistakes on our part. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
What is [sic] ? --Boidoh (talk) 18:09, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
Authors add it in after typos in quoted material to show the typo was part of the original quote and not a mistake on the author's part. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2014 (CEST)
Should we use the [sic] thing or the separate reference one? --Boidoh (talk) 18:20, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

Urgent... Somewhat

Several things are pretty urgent, concerning this page. A lot of things prevent me from going forward in typing the quotes and what-not because of some stuff.

1.) Some small MLN help - I'd like if someone could send me a bunch of Thornax to my MLN account, Boidoh. I do not want to waste my time waiting for my modules to grow more Thornax. If I remember correctly, back when I played MLN avidly when I was 9 or so, the MLN Wikia shops gave them away for free (or at least my MLN shop did).

2.) The whole new page thing - There are several branching paths in the story after this, and separate pages would help in this, so we as a community should really, quickly, come up with a final decision.

3.) Strakk? - I accidentally befriended Strakk a little early. I befriended him BEFORE I decided to make this walkthrough. So someone, please tell me at what point Strakk sends you the mail 'Cut out the Middle Man', and 'Show me where you stand.'

--Boidoh (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2014 (CEST)

SIC or Footnotes

Time to decide!

[SIC]

Footnotes

Comments

Those were the only two suggested, so I guess we should have another vote on it. And while where at it, lets try deciding about the multiple page thing above. --Boidoh (talk) 19:47, 16 August 2014 (CEST)

Footnotes is winning 4-1, should we consider this done and have the original quotes in the footnotes section? --Boidoh (talk) 00:59, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

Font

Does anyone know the font used in this image?

http://biosector01.com/wiki/images/0/07/MNOLGIndex.png

--Boidoh (talk) 18:58, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

It seems to be GoudyTrajan. maxim21 19:07, 17 August 2014 (CEST)
Would this be it? http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/goudy-trajan-regular --Boidoh (talk) 19:12, 17 August 2014 (CEST)
I think so. maxim21 19:37, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

Cover Photo

Here's one I made in a quick minute just for an idea. I used the Desert Adventure Module, and I put a Zesk in the sticker part. If there is a specific arrangement of stickers anyone wants, let me know. This seems to be best since it is quite neutral, all the others are stuff just boxart for characters.

Which would look better. The Jungle Adventure module or the current one, the Desert Adventure module?

I think desert is best since Bara Magna is mostly desert. I just find slightly annoying that the line between index page and My LEGO Network BIONICLE Campaign cross the Zesk's leg, but that seems to do the work. maxim21 19:44, 17 August 2014 (CEST)
OK, I'll move the Zesk slightly to the left. --Boidoh (talk) 19:48, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

How is this one? I think the Desert Ambush module more captures the feel of Bara Magna.

--Boidoh (talk) 19:54, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

It seems good enough to me. maxim21 20:01, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

OK, how about this one for the Vulcanus sub-section.

--Boidoh (talk) 20:10, 17 August 2014 (CEST)


Doing this one in advance. I would like this picture to be used for the Extras and Misc. Info section.

Which?

or

or

the second one, but with the words on the lower half of the Mata Nui pic.

or

Just Mata Nui Island

I really hope Greg makes Whenua's appearance canon too.

Here's what I asked him,

"On MLN there is Whenua as a character. His page reads:

Turaga of Earth and guardian of Onu-Metru, Whenua spends much of his time in the vast Archives beneath Metru Nui. Whenua provides former members of the Kanoka Club with a special Badge.

My friends, above all things remember to be true to yourself. It serves no purpose to be false, for the earth cannot be deceived.

And also when you try to befriend him he says. "It's not heroism you lack. I can see you are a great hero. But my place here is to honor those from the Kanoka Club. Don't despair, many of the great Toa heroes will join the network in good time."

Since almost all of the things from the BIONICLE characters from MLN are canon, could you by any chance make some of this into a canon story? It would be really nice seeing the Hero Agori trying to interact with MU inhabitants. It could be something as simple as stating that the HA approached Whenua for unknown reasons and Whenua said what he said. And then leaves him with some words of wisdom. The Kanoka Club and 'network' could be replaced with other words, or the Kanoka Club could be something from MetruNui and the network could mean the souroundings. What do you think?"

--Boidoh (talk) 22:30, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

Clicks or Thornax

If anybody wants to help me speed up the process of completing this walkthrough there are 2 things you can do to help!

1.) Send me Thornax

I just finished clearing the 100 friend requests I had on MLN, so if anyone wants to send me a bunch of Thornax to help me finish of the remaining segments of the walkthrough (I would need about 50), then that would be greatly appreciated.

2.) Click my Thornax Module

You can also go here: http://mln.lego.com/en-us/PublicView/Boidoh.aspx And click on the Thornax module, even if you've never played MLN before and you just have a LEGO account you still have 20 clicks. So just click it a bunch to help me get more thornax.

Thanks.

--Boidoh (talk) 22:08, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

Subtitles

What subtitles would you want for:

The Wastelands: Stop and Smell the Vorox, Now why would I help you?, or From beneath the sands

Tesara: Desperately seeking Gresh?, The Contract, or A Plan

Tajun: I didn't do it, Salvaged, Public Relations,or Tajun's Good Name

Iconox: Show me where you stand, You've been getting around Bara Magna, Cut out the middleman, As per our agreement, pr If you're good with Iconox, you're good with me.

Roxtus: Making things simple, The Thornax, ... more is supposed to be here, but I need more thornax.

--Boidoh (talk) 22:18, 17 August 2014 (CEST)

I'm not sure why we need subtitles, but if it's a thing, I vote for "Stop and Smell the Vorox", "The Contract", "Salvaged", "Cut Out the Middleman", respectively. I have no idea about Roxtus. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:41, 17 August 2014 (CEST)
Because they sound cool; don't you think? --Boidoh (talk) 23:43, 17 August 2014 (CEST)
I'm sure they have more for Roxtus, but I just haven't seen them yet... I need more Thornax. I decided to spam my alt. account with a ton of Thornax Modules. --Boidoh (talk) 23:45, 17 August 2014 (CEST)
The options for Roxtus also include: 'You did it!', 'You've done it!', and 'Watchful Eye'. --Boidoh (talk) 20:37, 18 August 2014 (CEST)

I vote "Watchful Eye". Sounds more dramatic. As for Raanu calling the HA by name, well, we obviously can't have "Boidoh" written there. We could put [Hero Agori], but that would make the sentence really redundant. Hmm... --Angel Bob (talk) 20:41, 18 August 2014 (CEST)

Bulbapedia does <player character>, so probably something like that. I generally prefer brackets to carats, so [player character], maybe shorten to [pc]? -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 00:36, 19 August 2014 (CEST)
Ignore it? Perhaps something like this: "Raanu said my name. Then he said 'hero of the Agori. It has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?'"--Willess12 (talk) 02:20, 19 August 2014 (CEST)
I'm going to assume that this is the for the in-game dialogue, in which case a mention like that would be out of context. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 02:30, 19 August 2014 (CEST)

Bublbapedia does that? Don't the Pokemon characters have names? eg. Red/Leaf, Ethan/Crystal, ect. Player character wouldn't work, BIONICLE is different than Pokemon. Pokemon is a game series, and has you name your trainer and pick its gender. BIONICLE on the other hand is made up of a lot of different media. The Hero Agori was mentioned as male in Raid on Vulcanus, so then it couldn't just be the player's name. Footnotes maybe? --Boidoh (talk) 02:53, 19 August 2014 (CEST)

Dorek confused me there (which isn't too difficult sometimes). What does in-game dialogue mean? And why would a mention like that be out of context?--Willess12 (talk) 03:05, 19 August 2014 (CEST)

It's what Raanu actually said, changing what he said is changing everything. I guess. --Boidoh (talk) 03:07, 19 August 2014 (CEST)

They have default names, but when Bulbapedia cites any quotations, they use <player character> because, during the course of the game, you are addressed as whatever the name you select is. I think the situation is nigh identical in this case; there is a "canon" of the universe, and then there are the individual instances of what occurs during the game, which is distinct from the overall story. It's an unfortunate result of this actually being canon; just using "Hero Agori" doesn't sit well with me. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 03:10, 19 August 2014 (CEST)
Isn't there a wiki code where it displays the name of the user logged in?
And if Greg knew the HA was supposed to be male, maybe he knows the HA's name. --Boidoh (talk) 03:13, 19 August 2014 (CEST)

No, that will never work. Greg only had so many names to work with, and he's long since forgotten all of them. Besides, he had nothing to do with the MLN campaign, so he would never have assigned one to the HA in the first place. Greg doesn't know the HA was supposed to be male, he simply assumes it, and there's no reason to assume he'd have a precious, legalized name for a character he barely knows anything about.

I like Dorek's suggestion. --Angel Bob (talk) 03:38, 19 August 2014 (CEST)

The idea of displaying a username is actually kinda fun-sounding (it should be possible), but I don't think it quite expresses the point. I'll look into it regardless.
Also, the Hero Agori doesn't have a name, and never did. The gender was just a throwaway mention in Raid on Vulcanus; it was already fanservice as it is. Any list of names we could have used has been lost, anyway. It was... tragic. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 06:14, 19 August 2014 (CEST)

Greg says we do this, so we do it! "1. Simple. "Raanu encounters me again and says, '((Player name)), hero of the Agori ..."" --Boidoh (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2014 (CEST)


I completely forgot about this thing. It seems I have to put in the aftergame (but I need thornax for that-_-)and a couple cover photos before I'm done.--Boidoh (talk) 00:57, 4 September 2014 (CEST)

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