Talk:Adaptive Armor

Space Form

So ignoring the fact that Greg's answers to the questions about it are caged in a hypothetical, the actual passage reads as thus:

"Of them all, only Miserix wasn't succumbing to suffocation, since antidermis didn't need to breathe. But the cold of outer space would claim him eventually. Makuta Teridax had thrown some of the most powerful beings in his universe out like the trash, and it looked like they wouldn't survive the experience.
Lewa summoned his elemental power, an effort in this environment, and created a thin bubble of air linked around the heads of all the castaways except Miserix."
— Reign of Shadows

Given that, Space Form: legit or bogus? I suppose you could make the argument that Lewa doesn't know the full extent of the armor's powers (although the maker of it is floating right next to him...) or they just didn't have time to activate or whatever, but since the whole thing is a figment of post-G1 pseudo-canon anyway, is it a keeper? -- Dorek _Talk 09:21, 27 May 2015 (CEST)

I'd think Lewa would know if he's suffocating or not, so I think the best thing to do is just leave out the space form, since the idea of it was made up post story, and it does say at the beginning of that passage all of them except Miserix were suffocating. --Vartemp ^Talk 15:03, 27 May 2015 (CEST)

Form List

Because it apparently wasn't obvious that adaptive armor could do these things anyway, should we just maybe write out a list instead of all the subcategories? That way people can just click the reference if they feel a burning desire to learn the minutae of something that didn't really need saying. -- Dorek _Talk 06:28, 22 October 2015 (CEST)

Phantoka and Mistika redirecting here

The terms "Phantoka" and "Mistika" are only mentioned twice respectivelt on this page. Shouldn't there be a few more mentions, maybe ones in the beginning of the article? Or shouldn't those words actually redirect to "Toa Nuva" or "Makuta" or something? Or were Phantoka and Mistika just promotional terms, or names for teams in the story? It's hard to understand. I believe they were Matoran terms, right? Meaning "Spirit of the air" and "Spirits of the Mist" respectively, correct? --Luka1184 (talk) 13:12, 5 August 2016 (CET)

At some point I was going to make a disambig page, since that would probably be more useful. They technically had in-story meanings, but they were never used, and basically were only relevant as umbrella terms for the half years. -- Dorek _Talk 14:24, 5 August 2016 (CET)

cordak blasters (which are totally just grenade launchers...)

Just wanted to leave a quick note on the cordak blasters thing, since it seems my edit kicked something off. i think the right idea is to leave them out - while the adaptive weapons could totally shapeshift into them, there's no reason to think they'd do so underwater. for one thing, the blasters aren't inherently an underwater weapon, the barraki just had a cache of them down in the pit that the mahri found. also, the weapons shapeshift according to the toa's opponent, not the environment, so i think with those things, i think it's safe to say we could/should just leave the list as is (without the blasters).

space form again

we have a section for this above, but it's old and i figured people wouldn't see it if i commented on it. greg said on the lmb (which reminds me, we need to update our references on this page) that lewa's armor adapted to space. but given the argument on the above section, i think that what greg said couldn't be true. (or simply it had been 4 years since the story was written, and greg forgot some stuff about their armor and the story...) Also, i think it's unlikely that artakha would have been able to produce armor to compensate for a space environment - if i recall correctly, he even said at one point, that no environment, land, sea, or air (aka not space) would be their master. (and he had never been exposed to space, so how could he have conceived of the environment to have his mask create armor against it? thoughts? Intelligence4 (talk) 02:19, 30 July 2017 (CET)

@anyone I'd say point that out to Greg and provide the original serial quote. It's the sort of thing he'd elaborate on or change. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:57, 30 July 2017 (CET)

• sigh*.. I'm going to have to make a forum account over there eventually, won't i? Intelligence4 (talk) 20:27, 30 July 2017 (CET)

Adaptive weapon quotes

I'm confused about adaptive weapons. The blaster weapons are definitely adaptive, but are the melee weapons also adaptive? Do we have Greg quotes about this one way or the other? Thanks, -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:41, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

The projectile weapons were adaptive. It was mentioned in the BL10, when Onua wanted to use his Midak Skyblaster against Bitil, he realized his blaster was changed into the Nynrah Ghost Blaster. The melee weapon quote is the one I link for the Fire Sword, iirc. Maybe the bionicle.com bios for them say something more? — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 22:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

The melee weapons were NOT adaptive, save for Tahu's (Stars version) firesword. Here is the source for the melee weapons not being adaptive, and the sources for the firesword are here, here, and kinda here (I don't know how many of these are on the page currently). Also, this is another citation for the projectile launchers being adaptive, and finally, when talking about the adaptive weapons/toa tools, Greg always seems to refer to it as though each toa has 1, and refers to there launchers, and later the devolved Tahu's firesword, as their toal tools. I can get to updating things myself when I get time, but that won't be for probably another week, and I want to make sure we are in agreement. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 14:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I would be hesitant to say so definitively that the melee weapons are not adaptive. The one source that you provide that suggests that is speaking of the Nuva in general, and Greg just says "not to my knowledge." On it's own, this response would be fine to cite, but given that at least Tahu's weapon is an exception, is it not possible that there could be other exceptions, and if there are, why couldn't all of them be adaptive? At very least, this would be worthy of a note though. EDIT: I just noticed on the page the quote that confirms the melee weapons are also adaptive (the question specifically mentions Pohatu's propellers as an example), so this seems pretty cut and dry. Dag (talk) 15:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't personally be opposed to keeping our stance on this, but I will say that it doesn't seem as cut and dry as you make it out to be, at least as far as evidence standards go. We do already know that they have adaptive tools in the form of their blasters and later with Tahu's firesword on Bara Magna, and though Pohatu's propellers/claws were mentioned in the question, Greg frequently ignored details like that in questions, and so you can find tons of things that would go against canon, and we generally ignore them. Furthermore, like half of all Greg quotes/citations are written in that same, somewhat-tentaive and uncertain way, even up to his email confirmation(s)/canonization of the winning entry/entries of at least one of the TTV canonization contests IIRC. Don't get me wrong, I don't know that I fully believe that the weapons weren't meant to be a part of the adaptive armor and be adaptable themselves, and I think that there very well could be some source that more properly proves they are, but it at the very least needs a note and citations on all the pages that mention it, and as it currently stands, I think it is a little shaky. Honestly though, I don't think it would be that big of a deal if we keep use the quote you mentioned above, which I somehow missed while going over the page, though the citation does need to be added to other pages. I have some things to add to Lewa's page as well relating to the adaptive armor such as citation for jetpacks being part of the armor, but want to wait until this is dealt with, as I don't want to have to keep revising and rewording things. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)