Talk:Matoran Universe

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the word biomechanical means a combination of mechanical and organic. so, pertaining to that recently added trivia point, an organism can't be part biomechanical and part organic. if they're part biomechanical, with everything else being organic, then they would be composed of more than the stated percentage of organic parts. (85% biomech means part of that 85% is organic, meaning that the remaining 15% attributed to organic mass is inaccurate.) i think we should replace that point with the one vezok makes when they're examining makuta's armor: he said something about all the organs missing, which was confusing b/c all beings have organs inside their armor, or something like that. it doesn't get so hung up on the numbers, which at this point is something that i think strays too far from accuracy. Intelligence4 (talk) 21:16, 29 August 2017 (CET)

It only says mechanical and organic, not BIOmechanical and organic, so it's fine? If it had said BIOmechanical then yeah, that'd be redundant and misleading (anybody else always say "ATM machine"?).
It's a trivia piece with a source attached to it, so I think it's good the way it is. Obviously the series DOES get way too hung up on the numbers sometimes, but it works here. -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:54, 29 August 2017 (CET)
huh, that makes sense then i guess. i still prefer the vezok quote because it actually came from the story, but i guess there's logically nothing wrong with the current one - the page said biomech, but i guess the source just said regular mech lol. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:26, 29 August 2017 (CET)

Incorrect map

Can we consider the official map highly incorrect? I mean Karda Nui is the heart of the robot, and the Final Battle/Rise of Mata Nui/the Legend Reborn shows that the Ignika is fired from the robot's chest, while the map places Karda Nui to the stomach. Voya Nui is said to broke through the robot's chest, while the map's placement of Voya Nui locates the island and the full landmass Shouthern Continent to the 3 tubes of the robot's lower body. The narrative of the Destiny War says that Nynrah is close to the EP island, while actually Nynrah is in the left hand of the robot, while the EP island is in the left leg, phisically impossible to get there quickly without teleportation.--Surel-Nuva (Talk) 08:29, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

BZPower link for the reasonable placements inside of the robot which clarifies that the shouthern continent must be much higher than what the Makuta's Guide official art shows, as Karda Nui is meant to be higher. The more accurate fan art, which places Karda Nui to the same place as it is seen in the TLR/Mata Nui Rising Animation at 10:48-10:49--Surel-Nuva (Talk) 08:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
In lieu of a superior map, I don't see a need to remove it, but there is quite a bit wrong even outside these, and perhaps it would be well-worth making a list. Off the bat, there is the matter of the bizarre course of the Federation of Fear voyage which looks like a toddler scribbling on the map, as well as Tobduk's monologue in Destiny War which indicates Nynrah is a stepping stone between Stelt and Visorak (which, taken with the RoS reference, suggests Visorak is in the Southern Islands). Ehlek's BEU entry states that Ehlek "dominated a number of western island chains that included the island of Zakaz."
There is, of course, also the matter of scale. Voya Nui could not possibly be so big: to have a section like that jettison from Mata Nui's chest while underwater would shatter open Mata Nui's torso and completely flood the entirety of the dome, if not the universe. Artakha nearly eclipses the Northern Continent in size--which is even more awkward considering there used to be an even bigger neighboring island next to it that was connected to a landbridge--right up until the Raid on Artakha. Furthermore, for islands as secretive as Artakha, Karzahni, Daxia, and Odina are, they're quite massive and not at all off the beaten path. It would almost be harder not to find them, by the logic of the map.
I was talking to someone about this not long ago, and whoever it was seemed to remember there being a Greg quote somewhere where he gave his more critical thoughts on the map. Either way, though, there's no doubt that this map is extremely inaccurate by all accounts, which is frustrating considering how this was published material. --Gonel (talk)

Death by old age

While it has always been well established and consistently affirmed by Greg that at the very least Matoran if not all the inhabitants of the MU, are biologically immortal and that the Matoran species does not physically age, but here, Greg says that all MU inhabitants, including Makuta and Matoran, can die of old age. This may also partially go along with this other differing statement he made about the Turaga not being able to live forever. Technically, you could very specifically try to say that this means Matoran cannot get cancer or autoimmune diseases, but that is kinda a stretch. Should these be disregarded as non-canon for Matoran and Turaga, and if so, do we also disregard this for other species that don't have any conflicting claims? I think we could just say that he was not 100% consistent on what it means to die of old age, but this absolutely deserves to be put on several pages, at least as a note. I don't know if this is the perfect place to post this, but there is no other page I felt worked better. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:06, 1 February 2024 (UTC)