Talk:Brutaka

Greg has said a few times that Brutaka wasn't cured/made amphibious because the GB's tower blocked Mata Nui's energies. However, in the first source containing information about the reversed mutations, he listed Brutaka as one of those cured. Keeping in mind our preference for earlier answers, what does this mean? Which answer should we accept? --Angel Bob (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2015 (CET)

As I understand it, our preference for earlier answers only concern LMB questions. Brutaka not being cured come from a question asked by The Smoke Monster, Sep 30 2010, 10:55 AM, so I guess we keep the one currently listed. For the exact quote:

We know that Mata Nui gave the MU residents the ability to understand the BM residents. We also know that this didn't affect Lewa, Brutaka, Vezon, and co. because the Great Being's fortress blocked the power from reaching them. So my question is, when Mata Nui cured the Pit prisioners of their mutations, was that power also blocked by the Fortress, hereby leaving Brutaka in his mutated form? Or was he still cured and now looks as he did in 2006?

No, Brutaka was not cured.

And the exact quote for the earlier answer (asked by Weon Saturn, May 1 2010, 08:53 AM), if that can help:

1- It was said that all of those who were mutated got cured and turned into amphibous beings. Does this also apply to the following:

1a- The remaining Barraki?

1b- And is Ehlek also amphibious now? Since he was already a waterbreather.

1c- Brutaka

1d- Karzahni

1A-1D) Yes

--maxim21 18:23, 6 March 2015 (CET)

Remember, the "forgetcon" rule doesn't preclude him from being wrong before as well. In this case, it's likely that he hadn't finished establishing what the GB tower was going to do, so he thought it okay to include Brutaka; active story "retcons" supersede most things (RotGB, anybody?). Brutaka not being cured is the most canon answer from that. -- Dorek _Talk 19:30, 6 March 2015 (CET)

Arms

Does Brutaka have 4 or 2 arms? Because the set have 2 large clawed arms and 2 small "dagger wielder"-arms, but in the story the smaller ones were never mentioned. So, "storywise", does Brutaka have 4 arms? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:25, 21 December 2016 (CET)

GB Tower

Where was it stated that the GB tower blocks Mata Nui's power? It sounds vaguely familiar... Journey's End maybe? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:31, 21 December 2016 (CET)

There -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:42, 21 December 2016 (CET)

Got it, thanks. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:54, 21 December 2016 (CET)

Greg's Reversal

In this post, DuplexBeGreat reminded Greg of the earlier-answers rule, and that he'd contradicted his earliest answer about Brutaka remaining mutated several times. In response to that, Greg said directly, "Yes, he was [cured]". So, what should we do about it? Since the earlier-answers rule was intended for cases of unintentional "forgetcons", does it apply if Greg knowingly reverses his stance? My inclination is to accept his word (after all, DuplexBeGreat informed him of exactly the circumstances behind this conundrum), but I want to get the community's approval before making the requisite changes. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:29, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Umm, see the first paragraph on that page, Dorek answered this before. The GB tower thing. -- Surel—Nuva (Talk) 22:31, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Though I think he's deliberately ignoring the tower shield thing (the guy who made the question mentioned it), I think we should still keep the original version. After all, if Mata Nui wasn't able to make the prisoners understand Agori because of the shield, I doubt that he would be able to cure the pit mutations. ~OnionShark 22:34, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Are we really going to pretend that we know better than Greg? Like you said, the guy who made the question mentioned the tower shield and the various inconsistencies, and Greg still stuck with this answer. Claiming that it isn't logical is frankly insulting to Greg; he knew what he was saying when he gave that answer. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:39, 27 February 2017 (CET)

But if his answer is to be considered canon, then his answers on why the prisoners couldn't understand Agori are gonna be retconed, and so there wouldn't be any reason for Lewa not to understand what his captors are saying. Maybe someone could tell him about the language thing? ~OnionShark 22:42, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I don't think that necessarily has to happen. There may have been something about the nature of the language patch vs the restoration wave that allowed the latter to pass through the shields, but not the former. Perhaps the tower is electromagnetically warded, so "cyberattacks" like the language patch would be blocked, but not a planetwide wave of Life energy - something like that. My point being, I don't think Brutaka being healed means that Greg's answer about the language patch is annulled. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:46, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Seems like it could be either way, someone should ask Greg for clarification. ~OnionShark 22:48, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I can see where you're coming from. I'll ask him for double clarification, and we'll see where that goes. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:04, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I've now asked. Unfortunately, since today is the last day anyone can post on the LMBs, Greg may not be able to see and respond to the post in time - which leaves us right where we started. If that is so, I maintain that there is not necessarily a contradiction in Greg's answers about the language download and Brutaka's cure. Since Greg has answered many times (including his earliest answer!) that Brutaka was cured, and only once that he was not, his stance seems clear. If we don't get a response from Greg in time, I think we should make those edits. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:14, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I mean, it's not really confirmed, and it was the logic I used that made him say that Brutaka wasn't cured. Could you link the earlier answer? ~OnionShark 23:24, 27 February 2017 (CET)

The earliest answer is at the top of this talk page (May 2010), where Greg says Brutaka was cured. It was followed by a reversal in September 2010 (also on the page), which Dorek endorsed. Now Greg has made a decisive reversal to his original answer. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:28, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I guess that the first time he hadn't considered the shield. ~OnionShark 23:32, 27 February 2017 (CET)

As Dorek said above, I don't think he'd made up the shield when he gave his first answer. So I would understand taking the second answer over the first one. Now that Greg has been reminded of the shield and still chose to say he was cured, that muddies the waters. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2017 (CET)

I agree. I don't think we should be too worried about him not answering, (unless your question is moderated 5 hours later than when you posted it like what is happening to one of mine) because I see that Greg is trying to answer as many questions as he can today, he even went back of some pages, a thing that he never did before unless he was asked too. Let's hope this gets resolved quickly. ~OnionShark 23:50, 27 February 2017 (CET)

He was cured. ~OnionShark 16:06, 28 February 2017 (CET)

Huh! I guess that confirms it, then. I'll make the necessary edits. --Angel Bob (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2017 (CET)

I think we should include the 1st/earliest answer and that one too. -- Surel—Nuva (Talk) 18:25, 28 February 2017 (CET)