Talk:Kahgarak
Conservation status
I just put it as "Uncommon" since we need to switch them from "Active". Toa Magnemite 20:29, 21 May 2013 (PDT)
Kahgarak and Visorak
Are we sure Kahgarak are simply another breed of Visorak? Both in Rahi Beasts and Bionicle Encyclopedia they stand apart "normal" Visorak. The BEU goes as far to call them "a powerful species related to Visorak". Under the Visorak label, moreover, both the books list only "six known breed" of Visorak (and not seven like on this wiki), implying that Kahagarak are only related to them. --Firebead (talk) 19:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah but other soures, (chapter books, comics, moves, ETC...) lump them in, and it's less confusing to list them as just another species. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ~Prof. Srlojohn 19:58, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's interesting in that prior to the Visorak I don't think Rahi had named individual "breeds", so to speak. However, subspecies weren't uncommon; Kahu, etc. (ignoring the name debate). So I suppose we could make the argument that the Kahgarak is a subspecies and not a breed... but then, that's sort of semantics anyway, isn't it?
- Not to mention, given what we actually know about Rahi creation, it's sort of incongruous with there actually being any truly related species (since everything is artificial, biodiversity isn't really a thing).
- I'll go check in my books. I think adventures #9 mentions this but i'll go take a look. If anyone has adventures #8, I've got 7, and that would be all of the Hordika books. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ~Prof. Srlojohn 12:34, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- "... and saw a gray Rahkshi confronting a huge Visorak spider. The Rahkshi was faster and more agile, but the Visorak was easily able to block its blows. “Kahgarak,” whispered Bomonga. “That’s bad.”" Chapter book 8
"The ceiling shifted as a massive creature bent down, the monstrous face of a Kahgarak coming into view. The Toa had seen these elite Visorak guardians before, but never one quite so large." Chapter book 9
"KAHGARAK: Kahgarak are an extremely powerful type of Visorak spider, ranging in size from 6 feet tall and 9 feet wide to 1 2 feet tall and 1 8 feet wide.They serve as lieutenants for Roodaka and Sidorak, guarding vital spots such as the Coliseum or leading parts of the horde on hunts (...)" BIONICLE Rahi
"VISORAK: Hordes of these spiderlike creatures appeared in Metru Nui following the Great Cataclysm.They quickly took over the Coliseum and spread out through the metru, weaving their webs and capturing Rahi. It was later learned that many of the wild creatures who have appeared in the city over the years were in fact running away from the relentless march of theVisorak through their lands. There are six known breeds of Visorak: Roparak, Boggarak, Oohnorak, Keelerak, Suukorak, Vohtarak (...)" BIONICLE Rahi
"KAHGARAK: A powerful species related to the Visorak used as guards by the hordes (...) BIONICLE Encyclopedia Updated
"VISORAK: Spiderlike creatures who hoperates as a horde under the command of Sidorak and Roodaka (...) There were six known Visorak breeds: Vohtarak, Oohnorak, Suukorak, Boggarak, Roporak and Keelerak" BIONICLE Encyclopedia Updated
I believe this are all the sources where the relations between Kahgarak and Visorak are explored. While in the Chapter books (seen by the characters point of view) they seem to be simply huge Visorak, in the other more specific sources they seem to stand more and more apart, passing from being a powerful type of Visorak spider to a species related to them (both times not listed among the known breed of Visorak). I don't know how the wiki deals with chronology of sources, but I would say that the BIONICLE Encyclopedia Update, being the latter sources and the one with a "real-world" POW would be the more reliable. Anyway, even if we don't want to go as far as to say that Kahgarak are not really Visorak, I wouldn't say that they are a breed of them (they have been called a "powerful type of Visorak" or "a powerful species related to Visorak"), since that would made them a "seventh" breed, when it has been said repeatedly that there are only six breed of them. --Firebead (talk) 20:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, in hindsight, i think your right. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ~Prof. Srlojohn 22:16, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
I guess I'm inclined to ignore the things that say "there are six known types" because that's just product copy repeated over and over, so I'd focus on the sources that go into more detail. And in that case, yeah, there are two things that emerge; "type of" and "related to". Which ultimately, again, might just be semantics and a way to avoid writing the same things over and over. So I don't necessarily mind tweaking the language, but at the end of the day, they're still Visorak one way or another. -- Dorek Talk 
00:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)