Talk:Time Slip

How do we know the builder of the toa canisters was relocated? Intelligence4 (talk) 17:46, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Also, more for fun than anything else, were the memories of the relocated matoran's previous lives wiped? otherwise it'd be pretty weird to just one day wake up in an unfamiliar place, and i feel like questions would be asked that might lead to someone putting two and two together and figuring out what happened. or maybe that's why it took 6 months? the oomn moved the matoran, then after everyone had adjusted to them, mata nui caused the time slip, and so nobody questioned the presence of the "new" matoran living with them, and the relocated matoran didn't think their new homes were too strange. Intelligence4 (talk) 17:50, 11 January 2017 (CET)

The Time Slip happened after Tren Krom was replaced by Mata Nui, so the Builder would have been sent to Karzahni earlier than that, wich would mean he never was relocated. OnionShark 17:53, 11 January 2017 (CET)

i don't think we know that he was sent to karzahni right after seeing tren krom - that drove him insane, but didn't damage his body at all Intelligence4 (talk) 18:05, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Yes, he was driven insane by the appearance of Tren Krom, but wasn't relocated to Karzahni. During the Time Slip he was relocated to somewhere else by the OoMN, and after that he was sent to Karzahni. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 18:36, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Do you have a source?

--OnionShark 18:46, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Have you ever read the Dark Destiny and the FoF's ch. 6? He mentioned "A land that cast me out, doomed me to spend my life here?" And the land cannot be Karda Nui, because he calls Karda Nui "the world that feeds the world". So he gotta be relocated somewhere else from the Nui Caves where the Av-Matoran lived after the first awakening of Mata Nui to this "land". -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:13, 11 January 2017 (CET)

He might just as well be referring to Karda Nui both times, just describing it with different words. Unless there's a source that says he was relocated (probably the FF), the information is inaccurate and should be removed.

--OnionShark 19:53, 11 January 2017 (CET)

The Federation of Fear describes only how Tren Krom drove him insane. And Karda Nui was never referred to as a "land", . -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:19, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Just because no one else used the term doesn't mean he can't.

--OnionShark 20:29, 11 January 2017 (CET)

As much as i hate to think that we know less of that matoran's history, it seems that onion shark is right - we can't confirm nor deny whether or not he was relocated. i suppose we could ask greg about it, but one thing that comes to mind is that he still remembers his life living in karda nui - do the relocated av-matoran remember living in karda nui, or were their memories wiped after they were moved? Intelligence4 (talk) 01:49, 19 January 2017 (CET)

Yes, their memories of Karda Nui were wiped out, and since the Builder remembers it, I guess the problem's solved. OnionShark 11:34, 19 January 2017 (CET)

what was our source on them having their memories wiped? Intelligence4 (talk) 15:18, 20 January 2017 (CET)

The BIONICLE: World. The book mentions that nobody remember what was during in that period. But, the BotTC's was driven insane by Tren Krom, so maybe, because his mind was damaged, the mind-wipe didn't worked on him... -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 16:07, 20 January 2017 (CET)

The Time Slip happened 40,000 years after the Builder was driven insane, I doubt that anyone would have kept him in their village instead of immediately sending him to Karzahni. And how would being insane protect him from the mind wipe?

--OnionShark 19:13, 20 January 2017 (CET)

Maybe Tren Krom's powers had an effect on his AI, and his memories before he was driven insane were kept, but after the meeting with the gelatinous was too shocking to him. He don't remember exactly what happened after he met Tren Krom, so , maybe, his post-Tren Krom memories were wiped, but the pre-Tren Krom ones are kept? We know that Tren Krom could do a lot of things, because he had strong telepathy-based powers, and was never said that he didn't use his powers on the builder. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:42, 20 January 2017 (CET)

I still can't see the logic to it, but in the end, it's irrelevant (and it's just speculation). The main problem is that why would anyone keep an insane person in their village for 40,000 years when they can send him to Karzahni whenever they want?

--OnionShark 20:22, 20 January 2017 (CET)

You're misunderstood something. The Matoran were sent to Karzahni, for they were broken or lazy, or just needed to be repaired. Not the Matoran who were insane of had any mental problems, because it didn't have an effect on their job. Karzahni cannot heal/cure the insanity, so why would they sent him, if he could do his job without any problem? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:54, 20 January 2017 (CET)

Karzahni did not just repair Matoran. Remember, anyone who didn't do his work was sent to him to be reeducated, and an insane person is most likely not gonna be a good worker. And if the Builder's insanity did not influence the way he worked, wich is already unlikely there is no explanation for him remembering KN, and the idea that his insanity somehow protected his mind doesn't make sense, there's no correlation between the two things. He wouldn't remeber KN if he was relocated, and he wouldn't remember the canisters. You could argue that maybe somehow the mind wipe didn't work right, or anything else for that matter, but there's no evidence in the text supporting the fact that he was relocated. If you have a good theory, submit it to Greg, but really, what is it gonna change if he was relocated or not?

--OnionShark 22:53, 20 January 2017 (CET)

i meant were their memories of living in karda nui wiped, not were their memories of the 6 months wiped - we know those were wiped lol. (meaning, after takua was living in metru nui, did he remember living in karda nui before?) i would think that if a matoran was insane enough, they wouldn't be able to do their job well, and thus would be sent to karzahni - he wasn't able to fix them physically either, but that didn't stop turaga from sending matoran there (at first, lol). maybe they just thought he was like a cure-all... yeah, idk. my question now is, if they knew where karzahni was and the fact that he existed to fix matoran, did they know about artahka as well? they're sort of on the same power level (or used to be) so i would imagine they had the same "relevance" (or role, perhaps) for want of a better word, in matoran memory/myth. also, onion shark, don't put your sig on a new line, just put the four tildes after whatever you post, on the same line. (less messy) Intelligence4 (talk) 00:18, 22 January 2017 (CET)