Talk:Crystals
True nature of Crystals
I still think these are Memory Crystals. "Crystals functioning as biomechanical memory" is pretty much the definition of 04 memory crystals. Also, from Peter Mack's description of what they were meant to do for Hahli, they function identically to Memory Crystals - transferring knowledge telepathicaly via physical contact. It woul not even surpsise me if these were inspiration (at least partially) behind Memory Crystals we came to know, seeing as some aspects of MNOG II worldbuilding were used in 04. Food for thought.--ToaKebaka (talk) 09:05, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- To me, that sounds speculative. They could be memory crystals, sure. But as far as we know, they could just as well be an entirely separate concept Templar came up with on their own. ~ Wolk (talk) 11:45, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- And even if they were meant to be the same kind of memory crystals, they aren't in the finished/released game. That part wasn't finished and was cut so the main part of the article shouldn't call them like that.--SurelNuva (Talk) 11:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
- Arguably the part about their identity is in the released game, because the crystals are in it. Only the part about Hahli using them for the purpose of gaining more skills did not make it through. The intent behind them being biomechanical memory storage of the villages remained intact, we just did not know about it until now (just like Boreas being the second in command of Gukko pilots).--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
The "Temples"
Seeing as the Temples of Principles are just fan-made names and these locations do have proper names (Ta-Koro Ruins, Lost Reef, Secret Cave etc.), shouldn't we abolish the fan terms and use the proper names instead? Also of note is that with the recent revelations about Final Chronicler, we now know why these Crystals were hidden in remote places and protected by several obstacles. The fan term "temple" creates the expectation of these places being visited on regular basis, which they were clearly not.--ToaKebaka (talk) 14:04, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed, we should change the names. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Same.--SurelNuva (Talk) 17:12, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, just a quick question - are these proper names actually official, or are they just more fan terms? I quickly perused the MNOLGII walkthrough and I didn't see any references to these names, so I'm not sure it's worth the trouble of replacing one fan term with another. --PeabodySam (talk) 17:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I believe they're the internal names in the code? IIRC. Could you get the last three as well, Kebaka? ~ Wolk (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, I was under the impression that these were pulled from the code of the game and that is how the community found out about the names. But maybe I'm mistaken in that regard? If they are just another fan names then I agree it wouldn't warrant replacing them,but they seem to be oddly specific: Ta-Koro Ruins, Po-Koro Ruins, Ko-Koro Ruins, Le-Koro, Ruins, Lost Reef, Secret Cave. If these are indeed sourced from the code, then I believe all of the "ruins" have to do with the planned destruction of the Koro and the cancelled second half of the game. Either that or they are just historical ruins of the respective Koro and/or abandoned locations repurposed as hiding places for the Crystals.--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that seems to match the file names. It's better than to keep calling them "temple of". ~ Wolk (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- So are we in agreement for the change then? If so, would the citation be just the usual MNOGII, or something more to emphasize the game files as the source?--ToaKebaka (talk) 19:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'd probably go with a note, stating something to the effect of that the name is never stated in the game, but is present in the game files. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, that seems to match the file names. It's better than to keep calling them "temple of". ~ Wolk (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, I was under the impression that these were pulled from the code of the game and that is how the community found out about the names. But maybe I'm mistaken in that regard? If they are just another fan names then I agree it wouldn't warrant replacing them,but they seem to be oddly specific: Ta-Koro Ruins, Po-Koro Ruins, Ko-Koro Ruins, Le-Koro, Ruins, Lost Reef, Secret Cave. If these are indeed sourced from the code, then I believe all of the "ruins" have to do with the planned destruction of the Koro and the cancelled second half of the game. Either that or they are just historical ruins of the respective Koro and/or abandoned locations repurposed as hiding places for the Crystals.--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- I believe they're the internal names in the code? IIRC. Could you get the last three as well, Kebaka? ~ Wolk (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Yeah it seems reasonable to move them without going through AFD. Instead of a sandbox, could someone with knowledge of the game files update one of the temple articles as they envision it (using the new name in the intro, adding a note about the old vs. new names, etc.?) Then, if people are satisfied with that example, I'll move the articles and we can update the other five. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:30, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
- Done this on Temple of Courage. I noticed Peter Mack still referred to these structures as temples, so I maintained that part. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:43, 22 August 2023 (UTC)