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While many sapient beings either have their own dedicated pages or not enough images to justify a special gallery page, having an overall page for beings like Kestora, Vortixx, the city-building creatures, The Shadowed One's Species, Sidorak's species, and possibly others would allow for people to easily be able to find images, and would make it so pages can have a "See Also" page with a gallery link. Like Gallery:Matoran, it would just have links for entries that have their own gallery pages. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 17:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
While many sapient beings either have their own dedicated pages or not enough images to justify a special gallery page, having an overall page for beings like Kestora, Vortixx, the city-building creatures, The Shadowed One's Species, Sidorak's species, and possibly others would allow for people to easily be able to find images, and would make it so pages can have a "See Also" page with a gallery link. Like Gallery:Matoran, it would just have links for entries that have their own gallery pages. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 17:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
===Rename "[[Stalactite Villages]]" to "Sky Villages"===
The current name of the page is a fan name, and is not used in any official material as far as I can tell. However, the alternate name listed on the page, "Sky Villages", is what the villages are called in their entry on page 62 of Makuta's Guide to the Universe. Because of this, I believe that the name of the page should be changed accordingly. If anybody has any other insights into this, please let me know. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
'''Page will be renamed.'''
====Comments on renaming Stalactite Villages to Sky Villages====
===Make "Krika's Camp"===
This is the Mistika Makuta's base of operations and a reoccurring location in BL10 and the comics. Also referenced as "Krika's lair" and "Krika's haven" which would both be good titles, but it's most often called a "camp" in the narrative. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
'''Page will be made.'''
====Comments on Krika's Camp====
===Make Antroz's Cavern===
This is the overall base for the Makuta and also a reoccurring location in the books and comics. In the Karda Nui section of Makuta's Guide, it and Mutran's Hive are seemingly identified as the same spot; however, Antroz's Cavern is visited after the hive is destroyed, and the scene with Vamprah and Mutran in BL9 sees them both leave Mutran's hive and head for the "main lair." --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
'''Page will be made.'''
====Comments on Antroz's Cavern====
Huh. I guess I always thought this was the same as the [[Shadow Leech Hive]]. Anyway, we have stuff like [[Octo Cave]] and [[Razor Whale's Teeth]], so I don't see why not. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 08:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
=== Create AMEET Activity Books ===
Some years back, we knew very little about many of the books on [[Books/Other Books]]. However, this is beginning to change, and I am confident that for many of these books, we are now far more able to create pages on par with those for other books (which aren't that big in themselves), so I think it's about due that these are given their own pages, starting with the AMEET books. I see this encompassing two different tasks: An overall series page, like [[BIONICLE Chronicles]], as well as individual pages for each book, like [[BIONICLE Chronicles 1: Tale of the Toa]].<font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
'''Page will be made.'''
====Comments on creating AMEET Activity Books====
I think we should also split out the two Scholastic books as well, though not having the Generation 2 activity book, I'm not able to describe its contents. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:I also have the G2 activity book. There are actually two slightly different versions, but the differences amount to few words and formulations being different.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::Cool! Information like that should be available on the page. :) <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::Something to keep in mind, we'll probably need to do "BIONICLE: Piraka (AMEET)" due to the HarperCollins book of the same name. Same for BIONICLE: Voya Nui. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:::True, although the 4 pocket-sized HarperCollins books are officially called "Mini-Guides" (it says so in the books themselves), so that could be a way to differentiate them.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Fair. I thought I'd seen the AMEET ones called "BIONICLE Activity Books" somewhere, but now I'm not finding it. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 16:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::::: Not sure if this counts, but BIONICLE: Voya Nui has this written among the publishing information on the back: Collection: BIONICLE Jeux et activités ''(Games and activities)''.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 16:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::: There we go. Yeah, I saw it on the Mahri Nui one. I'd count that, it's better than nothing. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 16:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Have there been any English translations of the AMEET books? I should like to read them, but the only ones I have been able to find online are in Russian or Polish. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
: I am in the process of translating all of the books in languages other than english including all of the AMEET books, though I am unsure how to best provide it to the public eye. I was thinking maybe scans of the originals edited with translation textboxes to be archived on BMP along with raw originals? Maybe I will post text translations on my user page here for a start. Any thoughts?--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::These would be immensely handy. A couple years ago, I was talking for a while with an AMEET representative about getting original English manuscripts (namely Greg's original ''The Crossing'' text), and he seemed optimistic that it could happen. Sadly, I haven't heard back from him in some time.
::One way to speed things up a bit may be to use an image/pdf scanner to detect text and then correcting any inaccuracies that may have popped up. But however you do it, I'm sure both BMP and Wall of History would love to be able to archive text versions of these books. BMP doesn't even have scans of all the AMEET books, much less the non-Scholastic, non-AMEET books. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the input! As a matter of fact, I am already using text recognition tools to speed things up, although depending on the scan, it often requires quite a lot of manual adjustment anyways. But I have done a lot of work already and I should have a hefty list of translations ready in the following days. Maybe I will even post something today to test out some formating. Aside from translations of already archived AMEET publications, I am also tracking down new ones and other non-AMEET stuff (hence the recent additions). Once I have it all translated I certainly plan to make contributions to BMP/Wall of History.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Alright the [[User:ToaKebaka|first one is out]].--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 21:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
=== Create HarperCollins Books ===
I'll raise you one. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
'''Page will be made.'''
====Comments on creating HarperCollins Books====
=== Create BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book ===
Self-explanatory. See [[Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book]]. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
'''Page will be made.'''
====Comments on creating BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book====


==Create Buildings and/or Structures and/or Infrastructure Page==
==Create Buildings and/or Structures and/or Infrastructure Page==
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::So Ghost did "3D / Compositing" work on the animations, while Advance was the client. Worth noting is that at least one animation attributed to Ghost Studios, [[Toa Hagah Commercial]], is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uOAAFazkWs uploaded] on Advance Copenhagen's YouTube channel. Illustration artist [https://www.artstation.com/klavs_ferdinand Klavs Ferdinand] lists [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nQJOEO some artwork] for Advance and [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nbAge other artwork] for Ghost VFX on their ArtStation page, and 3D artist CG animator [https://gillfrank.dk/onewebmedia/Profile.pdf Gill Frank] lists both Ghost A/S and Advance A/S on his resume, so there's been people who've worked with/for both companies. So I suppose the question becomes how much work did Advance vs. Ghost do on these animations? --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 02:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
::So Ghost did "3D / Compositing" work on the animations, while Advance was the client. Worth noting is that at least one animation attributed to Ghost Studios, [[Toa Hagah Commercial]], is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uOAAFazkWs uploaded] on Advance Copenhagen's YouTube channel. Illustration artist [https://www.artstation.com/klavs_ferdinand Klavs Ferdinand] lists [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nQJOEO some artwork] for Advance and [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nbAge other artwork] for Ghost VFX on their ArtStation page, and 3D artist CG animator [https://gillfrank.dk/onewebmedia/Profile.pdf Gill Frank] lists both Ghost A/S and Advance A/S on his resume, so there's been people who've worked with/for both companies. So I suppose the question becomes how much work did Advance vs. Ghost do on these animations? --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 02:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
==Rename "[[Stalactite Villages]]" to "Sky Villages"==
The current name of the page is a fan name, and is not used in any official material as far as I can tell. However, the alternate name listed on the page, "Sky Villages", is what the villages are called in their entry on page 62 of Makuta's Guide to the Universe. Because of this, I believe that the name of the page should be changed accordingly. If anybody has any other insights into this, please let me know. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes for renaming Stalactite Villages to Sky Villages===
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
# Yeah. This sounds familiar from other material as well, though I'm not sure where I've seen it. Concept art, perhaps? <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 06:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 21:10, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# --[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 00:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes against renaming Stalactite Villages===
===Comments on renaming Stalactite Villages to Sky Villages===
==Make "Krika's Camp"==
This is the Mistika Makuta's base of operations and a reoccurring location in BL10 and the comics. Also referenced as "Krika's lair" and "Krika's haven" which would both be good titles, but it's most often called a "camp" in the narrative. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes for Krika's Camp===
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 08:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 08:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# --[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:24, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 04:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 00:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes against Krika's Camp===
===Comments on Krika's Camp===
==Make Antroz's Cavern==
This is the overall base for the Makuta and also a reoccurring location in the books and comics. In the Karda Nui section of Makuta's Guide, it and Mutran's Hive are seemingly identified as the same spot; however, Antroz's Cavern is visited after the hive is destroyed, and the scene with Vamprah and Mutran in BL9 sees them both leave Mutran's hive and head for the "main lair." --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes for Antroz's Cavern===
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 08:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 08:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# --[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:24, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 04:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 00:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes against Antroz's Cavern===
===Comments on Antroz's Cavern===
Huh. I guess I always thought this was the same as the [[Shadow Leech Hive]]. Anyway, we have stuff like [[Octo Cave]] and [[Razor Whale's Teeth]], so I don't see why not. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 08:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
== Create AMEET Activity Books ==
Some years back, we knew very little about many of the books on [[Books/Other Books]]. However, this is beginning to change, and I am confident that for many of these books, we are now far more able to create pages on par with those for other books (which aren't that big in themselves), so I think it's about due that these are given their own pages, starting with the AMEET books. I see this encompassing two different tasks: An overall series page, like [[BIONICLE Chronicles]], as well as individual pages for each book, like [[BIONICLE Chronicles 1: Tale of the Toa]].<font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes for creating AMEET Activity Books===
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# --[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 17:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 00:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes against creating AMEET Activity Books===
===Comments on creating AMEET Activity Books===
I think we should also split out the two Scholastic books as well, though not having the Generation 2 activity book, I'm not able to describe its contents. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:I also have the G2 activity book. There are actually two slightly different versions, but the differences amount to few words and formulations being different.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::Cool! Information like that should be available on the page. :) <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::Something to keep in mind, we'll probably need to do "BIONICLE: Piraka (AMEET)" due to the HarperCollins book of the same name. Same for BIONICLE: Voya Nui. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:::True, although the 4 pocket-sized HarperCollins books are officially called "Mini-Guides" (it says so in the books themselves), so that could be a way to differentiate them.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Fair. I thought I'd seen the AMEET ones called "BIONICLE Activity Books" somewhere, but now I'm not finding it. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 16:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::::: Not sure if this counts, but BIONICLE: Voya Nui has this written among the publishing information on the back: Collection: BIONICLE Jeux et activités ''(Games and activities)''.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 16:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::: There we go. Yeah, I saw it on the Mahri Nui one. I'd count that, it's better than nothing. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 16:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Have there been any English translations of the AMEET books? I should like to read them, but the only ones I have been able to find online are in Russian or Polish. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
: I am in the process of translating all of the books in languages other than english including all of the AMEET books, though I am unsure how to best provide it to the public eye. I was thinking maybe scans of the originals edited with translation textboxes to be archived on BMP along with raw originals? Maybe I will post text translations on my user page here for a start. Any thoughts?--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::These would be immensely handy. A couple years ago, I was talking for a while with an AMEET representative about getting original English manuscripts (namely Greg's original ''The Crossing'' text), and he seemed optimistic that it could happen. Sadly, I haven't heard back from him in some time.
::One way to speed things up a bit may be to use an image/pdf scanner to detect text and then correcting any inaccuracies that may have popped up. But however you do it, I'm sure both BMP and Wall of History would love to be able to archive text versions of these books. BMP doesn't even have scans of all the AMEET books, much less the non-Scholastic, non-AMEET books. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the input! As a matter of fact, I am already using text recognition tools to speed things up, although depending on the scan, it often requires quite a lot of manual adjustment anyways. But I have done a lot of work already and I should have a hefty list of translations ready in the following days. Maybe I will even post something today to test out some formating. Aside from translations of already archived AMEET publications, I am also tracking down new ones and other non-AMEET stuff (hence the recent additions). Once I have it all translated I certainly plan to make contributions to BMP/Wall of History.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Alright the [[User:ToaKebaka|first one is out]].--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 21:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
== Create HarperCollins Books ==
I'll raise you one. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes for creating HarperCollins Books===
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 04:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# --[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 00:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes against creating HarperCollins Books===
===Comments on creating HarperCollins Books===
== Create BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book ==
Self-explanatory. See [[Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book]]. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes for creating BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book===
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 14:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# I support this and any other books on that [[Books/Other Books]] page that people are willing to make. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 00:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes against creating BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book===
===Comments on creating BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book===


== Create BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power ==
== Create BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power ==
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#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
#--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 05:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


===Votes against creating BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power===
===Votes against creating BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power===

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Approved proposals (please make these pages!)

Merchandise

Page will be made.

Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the Toa Mahri Dart Shooter or the Sponge Morbuzakh or even the Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives, which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --Snaptor (talk) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)

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I think this will be a good page to have - but i think we have to be very careful in drawing the line between regular sets and stuff and all the ancillary merchandise that was available. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I found a TTV topic that has a huge list of this sort of thing. It obviously wouldn't qualify as an actual source, but it could certainly help as a sort of "checklist" to see exactly what sort of things we're looking for. Are we allowed to link to TTV here? (Also, on a more amusing note, I'm not sure I've seen something gather eight votes this quickly in ages, I was expecting this to be controversial. =P) Snaptor (talk) 11:10, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I just realized this only technically counts as seven votes, oops. Snaptor (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2017 (CET)
MY VOTE COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING -- Dorek Talk External Image 03:39, 29 September 2017 (CET)


I've been interested in documenting Bionicle merchandise and saw that there were plans for a page to be made. However, it doesn't seem like much progress was made on it. I've drafted up a possible merchandise page in my sandbox.

https://biosector01.com/wiki/User:Endruv/sandbox

I define "Merchandise" as any officially liscensed Bionicle product that isn't a set or media (such as book, movie, game, or pretty much anything not already well documented here). I sorted my list by year and whatever partner company produced the product. It's not a perfect system, as I'm still trying to figure out how to address things like Legoland gift shop items, Shop@Home exclusives, and freebies that weren't widly available. Most of my findings have been through old BZPower articles. Currently, I made it through 2003.

If there is another way I should submit a page that's already been approved, please let me know.

Update: Moved to approved pages based on Surel's suggestion.

-- Endruv (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I really appreciate the work you put into the topic, and since it was approved last time, I don't think we need a new poll for it. This could just go under the existing part on the top of the page, as a draft finally for the approved page. And in my opinion when you feel like it, you could make it into an actual page too! :) --Surel (Talk) 17:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I meant it this way :D It's already approved, you can make the page if you want to, and then expand it later. :) --Surel (Talk) 22:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

HEROSector01: Add Roblox and Poptropica Sponsored Events

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This one is for HEROSector01, as I tried to find an Articles for Creation page over there but couldn’t find one, so instead I felt like putting this here. Hero Factory had a Poptropica advertisement and two Roblox events where players could earn prizes. For Poptropica, it was a minigame level, and for Roblox, two games. You can look up more about them online but basically for Poptropica it was promoting the 2010 line of sets while for Roblox, they promoted 2012 (Breakout) and 2013 (Brain Attack). From what I can gather, Poptropica had a Stormer outfit and his ice blaster gear, while Roblox had quite a bit of prizes and Catalog items. -- FirespitterVakama (talk) 08:23 AM, 29 November 2021 (EST)

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Meta: Community Terminology

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I think it might be nice to have a page with frequently used terms that crop up in the community (AFOL, MoC, that kind of stuff). I'm not beholden to the name. -- Dorek Talk 17:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

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We could potentially link this to redirect pages like MoL, RoS, or TMC, for example. - Toa Jala Converse 03:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Meta:Cut Content

Not as solid of an idea (and could use a better name), but I think it could be interesting to sort of group various prototype and pre-final release information into a location. Stuff like "Kanohi Artidax", Skrall having shadow powers, just these little miscellaneous trivia bits that do have individual homes but don't fit into a larger narrative (or if they do, that narrative tends to take up too much space on pages, for instance). And maybe there's stuff I've deemed too superfluous in the past that could find a home too. -- Dorek Talk 18:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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This could be interesting. Maybe I'll sandbox a list for this, if not a proper article. - Toa Jala Converse 06:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

The beginnings of a list: BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Meta:Cut Content. - Toa Jala Converse 22:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

While we should show restraint in adding much more than links and any snipits that are not already on the wiki,this would be a good idea. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I won't vote against it if people really want it, but I think it reminds me of the "Meta:Common Misconceptions" idea that was floating around the Discord server--a super broad subject that could include an untold number of things, especially if we go with the proposed list of "trivia bits." I also imagine people will be more likely to visit the page of something for trivia about it rather than browse a page that may or may not include the information they're looking for (if that makes sense).
I guess if anything I'll be interested to see a fully-formed page rather than just the beginnings of one, or else I could see it being passed and then being something people barely add to. --Gonel (talk) 23:09, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:Shortcuts

Whether a BIONICLEsector01 page or a Category, I think it would make sense to list all our shortcut redirects somewhere (e.g., GSR, MU, GSB, etc.). I won't vote yet, since I don't know which option would be better. - Toa Jala Converse 06:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Shortcut page

Alternatively, we could perhaps build out Template:Shortcut as well? Might make more sense with a different functionality though... -- Dorek Talk 23:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, if we made a switch function that would let us use it for the actual shortcuts. - Toa Jala Converse 07:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

"Community Reviews" Section

Okay, so here's an intricate one.

So have you ever looked at a set page (no surprise this will be a resounding yes) and seen that set of sections: "Critical Reviews" and "Community Reviews." A lot of these models have yet to have stuff said about them from either angle. Unless we elect a reviewer (dear god please not Eljay LOL) there's nothing we can do about the Critical Reviews section, but I was thinking: what's stopping us BioSector users from submitting our own reviews to the section? Here's one idea for how this could work:

Here's the existing template that exists already.

Here's a totally real and not pretend link.

[Visualization Ends Here]

So this totally, 100% genuinely real link would lead to a page dedicated to user reviews submitted by us. See my sandbox's first Level 1 heading here. This could be a subpage, like "Set:XXXXX/Reviews" just like we have Sets/Combiners, etc. Alternatively, this can have a whole category page dedicated to it.

In each set page, you'd have something like what you can see on my sandbox's second Level 1 heading here.

So there's the idea. Thoughts? 𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

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  1. Hi this comment was made totally by the real Swert and 100% genuine. This is the coolest idea ever and we should immediately implement this. (NOT written 𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC))

Hold up. I think this one will take further discussion as to how we're going to go about doing this... ~ Wolk (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Create Meta:Capitalization Conventions

This falls under a similar vein as our Meta:Shortcuts and Meta:Community Terminology, and as a reference for in-universe terminology, it also complements the Lexicon. I and some others have been sporadically doing research on different expressions, phrases, or names in the BIONICLE canon and getting a sense of whether they were originally intended as given/proper names, or if they were just became that for convenience over time by the community. In many cases, we've made some very fascinating discoveries, and quite often Greg is very consistent one way, even in his Q&A topics, despite fans frequently going the other way.

Much of the research so far has been collected on one of Morris' talk pages, but the more we discover, the more it makes sense to just give this its own page. Though the fan lexicon is unlikely to ever change, this tool would be extremely helpful for writing fanfiction or other in-universe texts, to maintain consistency with the existing canonical body of work. It would also be helpful if we ever updated the wiki to reflect these conventions (as has been suggested on Talk:Main Page--see below comment). --Gonel (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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On a side note, there's been some discussion on the BS01 Main Page talk page about the Nickname template with some of these, if anyone wants to weigh in. --Gonel (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Gallery:Sapient Beings

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While many sapient beings either have their own dedicated pages or not enough images to justify a special gallery page, having an overall page for beings like Kestora, Vortixx, the city-building creatures, The Shadowed One's Species, Sidorak's species, and possibly others would allow for people to easily be able to find images, and would make it so pages can have a "See Also" page with a gallery link. Like Gallery:Matoran, it would just have links for entries that have their own gallery pages. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 17:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Rename "Stalactite Villages" to "Sky Villages"

The current name of the page is a fan name, and is not used in any official material as far as I can tell. However, the alternate name listed on the page, "Sky Villages", is what the villages are called in their entry on page 62 of Makuta's Guide to the Universe. Because of this, I believe that the name of the page should be changed accordingly. If anybody has any other insights into this, please let me know. TuragaHordika (talk) 06:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Make "Krika's Camp"

This is the Mistika Makuta's base of operations and a reoccurring location in BL10 and the comics. Also referenced as "Krika's lair" and "Krika's haven" which would both be good titles, but it's most often called a "camp" in the narrative. --Gonel (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Make Antroz's Cavern

This is the overall base for the Makuta and also a reoccurring location in the books and comics. In the Karda Nui section of Makuta's Guide, it and Mutran's Hive are seemingly identified as the same spot; however, Antroz's Cavern is visited after the hive is destroyed, and the scene with Vamprah and Mutran in BL9 sees them both leave Mutran's hive and head for the "main lair." --Gonel (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Huh. I guess I always thought this was the same as the Shadow Leech Hive. Anyway, we have stuff like Octo Cave and Razor Whale's Teeth, so I don't see why not. ~ Wolk (talk) 08:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Create AMEET Activity Books

Some years back, we knew very little about many of the books on Books/Other Books. However, this is beginning to change, and I am confident that for many of these books, we are now far more able to create pages on par with those for other books (which aren't that big in themselves), so I think it's about due that these are given their own pages, starting with the AMEET books. I see this encompassing two different tasks: An overall series page, like BIONICLE Chronicles, as well as individual pages for each book, like BIONICLE Chronicles 1: Tale of the Toa.~ Wolk (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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I think we should also split out the two Scholastic books as well, though not having the Generation 2 activity book, I'm not able to describe its contents. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I also have the G2 activity book. There are actually two slightly different versions, but the differences amount to few words and formulations being different.--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Cool! Information like that should be available on the page. :) ~ Wolk (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Something to keep in mind, we'll probably need to do "BIONICLE: Piraka (AMEET)" due to the HarperCollins book of the same name. Same for BIONICLE: Voya Nui. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
True, although the 4 pocket-sized HarperCollins books are officially called "Mini-Guides" (it says so in the books themselves), so that could be a way to differentiate them.--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Fair. I thought I'd seen the AMEET ones called "BIONICLE Activity Books" somewhere, but now I'm not finding it. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Not sure if this counts, but BIONICLE: Voya Nui has this written among the publishing information on the back: Collection: BIONICLE Jeux et activités (Games and activities).--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
There we go. Yeah, I saw it on the Mahri Nui one. I'd count that, it's better than nothing. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Have there been any English translations of the AMEET books? I should like to read them, but the only ones I have been able to find online are in Russian or Polish. TuragaHordika (talk) 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I am in the process of translating all of the books in languages other than english including all of the AMEET books, though I am unsure how to best provide it to the public eye. I was thinking maybe scans of the originals edited with translation textboxes to be archived on BMP along with raw originals? Maybe I will post text translations on my user page here for a start. Any thoughts?--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
These would be immensely handy. A couple years ago, I was talking for a while with an AMEET representative about getting original English manuscripts (namely Greg's original The Crossing text), and he seemed optimistic that it could happen. Sadly, I haven't heard back from him in some time.
One way to speed things up a bit may be to use an image/pdf scanner to detect text and then correcting any inaccuracies that may have popped up. But however you do it, I'm sure both BMP and Wall of History would love to be able to archive text versions of these books. BMP doesn't even have scans of all the AMEET books, much less the non-Scholastic, non-AMEET books. --Gonel (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the input! As a matter of fact, I am already using text recognition tools to speed things up, although depending on the scan, it often requires quite a lot of manual adjustment anyways. But I have done a lot of work already and I should have a hefty list of translations ready in the following days. Maybe I will even post something today to test out some formating. Aside from translations of already archived AMEET publications, I am also tracking down new ones and other non-AMEET stuff (hence the recent additions). Once I have it all translated I certainly plan to make contributions to BMP/Wall of History.--ToaKebaka (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Alright the first one is out.--ToaKebaka (talk) 21:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Create HarperCollins Books

I'll raise you one. --Gonel (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Create BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book

Self-explanatory. See Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Create Buildings and/or Structures and/or Infrastructure Page

This would be a page(or subsection) or a set of new pages that lists major and minor buildings, structures, and/or Infrastructure, as well as things like monuments or the Great Telescope system. Buildings and structures include things like the the Great Temple, The Kini-Nui, the Amaja-Nui, Matoran Houses, Ga-Metru Schools, Furnaces, the Mahri Nui Temple, etc. Infrastructure would include things like the Moto Hub, the Le-Metru Chute System, the Underwater Chutes of Ga-Metru, the liquid protodermis canals of Ga Metru, (arguably) the Great Collesium, the arenas of Bara Magna, the highways of the island of Mata Nui, etc. Minor Structures or Structures/Other could also be made to include and seperate out structures, buildings, or pieces of infrastructure with no names and/or very little significance to the story, like the alternate, non-canon towers that are seen as alternate builds or combiners of the playsets, or the unamed buildings and monuments seen in images of islands in Bionicle: World. There is also an alternate option below for voting that this should be a new subsections or set of subsectionsFirespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Votes for creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s) (specify)

  1. I want a page for major and minor locations to be made. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. I'm curious to see where this goes. - Toa Jala Converse 18:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. ~ Wolk (talk) 02:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  4. TuragaHordika (talk) 03:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  5. Sounds interesting.--SurelNuva (Talk) 21:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Votes for Creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure as a section on Objects or Place (specfiy)

Comments on creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s) or section(s)

I am not entirely sure how the voting should be counted on this, but if it wasn't done this way, it would have had 64 or 84 options. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what is being proposed here, but there is probably room for discussion here. Are you proposing a page akin to Objects? That could be useful. In that case, I would make all of these categories into one page, maybe just call the page "Structures". This, however, raises the question of what should belong on Locations/Other Locations, though, which things like the Barraki Fortresses... I guess it's not too bad to have them double-listed, as we would have that either way with locations in each Metru/Wahi anyway. Coinciding this, I think there's a discrepency between how structures/sub-locations are handled between different locations. The Metru's list is more descriptive, where as the Wahi lists only list names (including some that probably should be moved into sub-pages, especially locations inside Koros). In my opinion, the former approach is preferable. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
I like this idea, but I have to admit I'm a bit confused. We already have pages for the Moto-Hub and Chutes, as well as the Great Temple, Kini-Nui, and Amaja-Nui. The Chute page already has a section for underwater cutes. I can see pages being made for Matoran homes and schools (what little we know about them) and other nonspecific locations. I think that would be very interesting. - Toa Jala Converse 18:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
This would be like the Objects or Location page. I think it should probably only be either 1 page or a page for significant ones and minor ones. It would be like a list page, though not quite just a category page. I can try to make a sandbox at some point, though it will take a while as it will be my first one. It wouldn't necessarily have to be on the front page either, as it could be relegated to the navigation format for locations, but those more general topic pages are what I am proposing. Things like a forest or mountain range wouldn't be there, as they are natural(or appear natural when it comes to the islands inside the MU). I did think I made it clear enough, but clearly I didn't do a great job, seeing as both of you are saying that you were confused. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I see, thanks for clarifying. I'd be inclined to say that the major locations should stay as they are and the minor ones should be assimilated into Infrastructure, but let's see how this develops. - Toa Jala Converse 20:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Split "Battle in the Makuta Camp" from "Battle in the Swamp"

In much the same vein as Battle in the Shadow Leech Hive is separate from Battle in the Sky, our current Battle in the Swamp contains information for two separate struggles--one taking place around the Makuta camp and the other taking place near the Codrex. This would also be in line with the current system of focusing on individual skirmishes rather than overarching strings of battles. --Gonel (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Votes for Splitting

  1. --Gonel (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. --ToaKebaka (talk) 23:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
  3. We have shorter pages too, I guess?--SurelNuva (Talk) 21:12, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for Renaming the Page "Conflict in the Swamp"

  1. Alternate vote, assuming similar format for the sky battles. --Gonel (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. I prefer this option, I think it's better to have a single longer page rather than multiple shorter pages. TuragaHordika (talk) 04:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes against Splitting

  1. I will be willing to switch my vote if someone can expand upon whether or not this was an actually independent battle. See comment for further explanation/elaboration. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Comments on Splitting

I haven't actually read the media from 2008 other than reading through BS01, and the whole war/conflict is already split into many battles, but I feel like the events of the battle in the Makuta Camp was just one force retreating a battle and being followed by the Toa Mistika, and resuming combat. They never really stopped combat if I'm not mistaken, and just because they make advances and the battlefront shifts. I would probably be willing to support a rename of the page to "Battle in the Swamp of Secrets and Makuta Camp", but this doesn't need to be split into 2 pages IMO. Take this with a grain of salt though, because as I stated, I have never read very much of the source material from this time, and my info comes from research(mostly here on BS01). Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I would like to see how much content there actually is for the Makuta Camp battle, but from my impression, the Makuta Camp is one battle in the overall "Conflict in the Swamp of Secrets". It has however been a while since I read the content in question. ~ Wolk (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
In total, there are three major skirmishes: 1) The initial battle with Mistika Makuta, 2) battle at the Makuta camp, 3) Battle at the Codrex.

This is the chronology of what takes place with the distinction between skirmishes indicated:

1) Toa Nuva split up to search for the Mask of Life and each encounter one of the Mistika Makuta. Onua beats Bitil and escapes, proceeds to save Gali from Gorast. The two of them see Tahu's signal for help and go join him, followed by Gorast and Bitil. Toa and Makuta are reuinited, and Toa are on defensive until Chirox falls and distracts the other Makuta. Toa escape with an Av-Matoran to learn the truth about Bohrok. [p11-63]

2) Makuta set a trap for the Toa Nuva, while the latter discuss an ambush strategy. The Toa divert the Makuta one by one by using delayed elemental attacks. They search the camp finding a keystone, but the trap slams shut with Makuta surrounding the Toa who hide behind a shield. Toa then bluff better then even they expected and Makuta are distracted by learning of the events up above. Toa use this chance to escape underground, but change their direction to go back for surmising their foes will be waiting for them at the Codrex. [p78-87]

3) Flying high up in the mist the Nuva powerdive onto unsuspecting Makuta. Note that the text calls this "final clash with the Makuta", so it is to be considered separate conflict from the camp ambush. The battle then continues into the next book, where majority of it happens. [p99-108] + BL11 [p5-37]

Based on this, I maintain that the two battles are separate, but I also recognize that the battle at the Makuta camp is the shortest one of the three.--ToaKebaka (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Kebaka, this is handy.
Since posting this, I've been going back and forth on what the best approach is. I think BS01's existing system of Events is imperfect, and splitting the page into its component battles would be logical according to it--it's not one battle but two or three. We also know that the BL10 reference for time is highly unreliable, and the whole book likely took place over a number of days (parallel to BL9's second half). Splitting up these battles will help with structuring the overall Karda Nui timeline, and certainly enough material could be pulled from the book to give each page some reasonable meat.
On the other, the three battles do feed into each other quite a bit--as Wolk says, they're part of the overall "Conflict in the Swamp" as opposed to a "Battle in the Swamp." Renaming the page accordingly and dividing it into three parts would help to illustrate the connectivity of these skirmishes.
That said, the "Conflict in the Sky" follows a similar structure as that of the Swamp. You have the first battle shown in Ignition Comic 12 and 12.5, the battle in Mutran's Hive, and the resulting Makuta attack on the last Matoran village. (The first of these battles is completely skipped in our "Battles and Conflicts" series, despite its coverage in both Comic 12 and 12.5.)
I won't change the poll yet, but what's the mood about merging/renaming the existing pages as "Conflict in the Sky" and "Conflict in the Swamp" which each detail their three battles? Or would six individual pages focused on the specific battles be preferable? --Gonel (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
After reading your proposal, I think I actually prefer it to six separate pages. It is more concise and keeps the semi-continuous nature of partial battles clear to the reader.--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Create Ghost Studios

While this may not get the most care, like similar pages such as ADVANCE's, Ghost was a pretty important part of Bionicle, creating many animations that Bionicle has become well remembered for. It is a little hard to find a full list, but they are responsible for the Toa Hagah Commercial, the Mistika Commercial, the 2008 Vehicle Commercial, the Phantoka Commercial, the 2006 Playset Commercial, the Visorak Commercial, and at least half a dozen more. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating Ghost Studios

  1. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. ~ Wolk (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  3. TuragaHordika (talk) 03:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  4. --SurelNuva (Talk) 21:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Isn't Ghost Studios just a department of Advance? I'm pretty sure all of the CG animation is made by them.--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I could find no mention of this anywhere through searches nor on any section of Advance's website, including their extensive page on their partnership and work with Lego, starting with Bionicle. It is almost impossible to find anything about Ghost though, as their are many companies who do that kind of work by that name, including on in Calcuhta, India, one in South America(Argentinian and Brazilian), and one tiny one in Utah. Once a website and/or business records can be found or established, we can know for sure, but they seem like an independent group, possibly having been contracted through Advance or by Lego directly. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Here is Ghost VFX's website; the first listed studio is in Copenhagen, so it's most likely the one we're looking for. Their URL used to be www.ghost.dk (which now redirects to the current URL), and by going to Wayback Machine, we can find Ghost's LEGO Bionicle Arkiv in 2007. And there we have it:
"Kunde: Advance
Ghost: 3D / Compositing"
So Ghost did "3D / Compositing" work on the animations, while Advance was the client. Worth noting is that at least one animation attributed to Ghost Studios, Toa Hagah Commercial, is uploaded on Advance Copenhagen's YouTube channel. Illustration artist Klavs Ferdinand lists some artwork for Advance and other artwork for Ghost VFX on their ArtStation page, and 3D artist CG animator Gill Frank lists both Ghost A/S and Advance A/S on his resume, so there's been people who've worked with/for both companies. So I suppose the question becomes how much work did Advance vs. Ghost do on these animations? --PeabodySam (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Create BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power

Self-explanatory. See Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. TuragaHordika (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. --SurelNuva (Talk) 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. --ToaKebaka (talk) 17:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. --Gonel (talk) 05:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Proposal to rename Great Spirit Robot to Mata Nui Robot

Same as we've done for several pages by now; current name is a fanon nickname, a different name is provided in the story. Mata Nui Robot is cited on the page. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for renaming Great Spirit Robot to Mata Nui Robot

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. TuragaHordika (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. --SurelNuva (Talk) 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. --ToaKebaka (talk) 17:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Create Memoirs of the Dead

While the Memoirs for the Dead contest is mentioned on Meta:Fan Community#Incomplete_Contests, it was brought up here on the Main Page's Talk Page that Greg said that the winners would become official(it isn't clear if that means canon or not though), and that they did not need to get his approval so long as they didn't contradict the existing story. With the contest for the Mangai's tools and Kanohi, I don't believe these were rejected from canon either, so I don't believe that its status is applicable here. We could also make the decision if the winning stories would also get their own pages, probably coming down to whether we consider them canon, but this is about an overall page. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating Memoirs of the Dead

  1. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. TuragaHordika (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

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