Talk:Kualus

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How can Kualus witness Sidorak and Roodaka leading the Visorak horde prior to joining the Toa Hagah, if the horde wasn't united under them until after the Toa Hagah were turned into Rahaga? ~ Wolk (talk) 14:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

They led the Horde side by side, as 2 "warleaders" before the Toa Hagah's transformations. And after they were transformed into Rahaga, Teridax appointed Sidorak as the King of the Horde iirc. — Surel—Nuva _(Talk) 02:54, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

That seems odd, it isn't mentioned anywhere on BS01 that they lead the Visorak prior to the rebellion. It is however mentioned the Visorak weren't joined into a horde until after the rebellion.

Tangently, something I found wierd while reading Rahi Beasts was that there had been an increase in Rahi on Metru Nui because they were fleeing from the Visorak, leading to the creation of the Vahki, however that doesn't work if the horde wasn't joined until the rebellion given that the Vahki were around during the Kanohi Dragon attack. Then again the book has other timeline issues, such as the Artakha Bull being from early Metru Nui history, "2 000 years ago." ~ Wolk (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Dark Mirror Kualus Metallic Armour

This article currently claims that Dark Mirror Kualus did not have metallic armour since the Hagah were never formed, but it's not cited and I'm pretty sure it's wrong; in that same story, Alternate Kualus still has his Sub-zero Spear, which he did not receive until becoming a Hagah.

Even if we assume it's possible that he somehow got it from somewhere else, that's still not enough to say that the Hagah were never formed; the Dark Mirror Universe only diverged from the Prime Universe 3500 years ago, when Tuyet betrayed Lhikan. It is entirely possible (and even likely) that Teridax's Hagah were formed before then; Spiriah had a Hagah team, and he was exiled 70,000 years ago.

The Jerminator (talk) 06:34, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

You're not wrong, because it was confirmed that Teridax's Toa Hagah were formed in the Dark Mirror universe, I just don't have thr quote handy. But Greg said that Norik's team was formed after Lhikan's team, and given the context of that quote, both the questioner and Greg meant the Mangai. The Toa Hagah was a fairly new Toa team.--Surel (Talk) 07:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I believe I found the quotes you're referring to:

Hagah existed: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page83#post3315-line2,9

Mangai are older than the Hagah: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page162#post6446-line2-6,11

So yeah, Kualus and Bomonga would have had their metallic armour.

As a side note, is this concrete enough to officially establish that the Hagah were formed between 3500 and 4500 years ago? That would certainly be a good piece of information to have on other pages.

EDIT: I see your source on the page now. That one's definitely more concrete than the one I found.

The Jerminator (talk) 07:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! You made me realize that the Hagah should have been formed at least 3,500 years ago, before Tuyet's takeover, but less then 4000, because that's the date of the Toa Mangai. The timeline has the between 4000 and 1300, because the later is the date of their mutation. I'll correct it!--Surel (Talk) 07:49, 29 September 2021 (UTC)