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==Thanks==
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== Videos ==
I'm glad someone was awake enough to try to handle this :) You have my thanks. --<span class="plainlinks">[http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/User:Swert <img>http://biosector01.com/swert/WikiSig.png</img>]</span> <sup><font color="#09c2e3">Owner ([[User talk:Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">contribs</font>]])</font></sup>
 
:Again, great job about reverting that vandals edits! I'm PMing some staff members about this. --[[User:Vartemp|<font color="#4682b4" face="Felix Titling">'''Vartemp'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Vartemp|<font color="#4682b4" face="Felix Titling">'''Talk'''</font>]]</sup> 15:21, 31 January 2016 (CET)
 
And again you helped out with a vandal attack. Thanks again for being around and being willing to help =) [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
  
==Set Pages==
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Just wanted to give a big thank you for updating all those video links! Good stuff. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 06:39, 27 August 2017 (CET)
Are you in charge of them? -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[BIONICLEsector01 talk:Articles for Creation|<font color="blue" face="Algerian">''The AFC needs your help!''</font>]]</sup> 06:37, 19 March 2016 (CET)
 
  
:Not really, I just edit them, because some pages are lacking in content :) -- [[User:Surel-nuva|Surel-nuva]] ([[User talk:Surel-nuva|talk]]) 09:04, 19 March 2016 (CET)
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:I wonder why we don't use the reference/citation format what I used in the video names, and on the Aquatic Power Blade instead of the reference list. Sometimes it's bug me when I see the long list of references on the pages. Also, we have most of the sets' instructions on our wiki, so why don't we use them instead of the external ones from the LEGO.com? — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 15:43, 27 August 2017 (CET)
  
::Oh haha okay. Well, anyway, good work. I was wondering how you would feel about incorporating [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Gallery:Prototypes|some of these images]] into the set pages. For example, [[:File:Inika Nuparu Prototype.png|this image]] would be an early version of [[Set:8729]]. Do you think they should be put right on the pages, or if we should stick a link in a "See Also" section? The latter was what ET recommended. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[BIONICLEsector01 talk:Articles for Creation|<font color="blue" face="Algerian">''The AFC needs your help!''</font>]]</sup> 07:48, 20 March 2016 (CET)
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::I'll defer to the other staff on the first question. As for the second one, yeah let's use locally hosted instructions when possible. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 20:22, 27 August 2017 (CET)
  
:::Something like [[Set:8729|this]]? -- [[User:Surel-nuva|Surel-nuva]] ([[User talk:Surel-nuva|talk]]) 13:12, 20 March 2016 (CET)
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:::I've posted some suggestions on the Splash's talk page recently. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 20:27, 27 August 2017 (CET)
  
Actually, the idea was that once Gallery:Prototypes gets passed in AfC, that section would lead the visitor to the gallery. If they clicked on that link, their screen would look something like [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Toa Inika|this]]. I kinda like yours better, though. Maybe we should do both, so once the gallery gets passed, it'll look like this:<br>
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::::I've made a [[User:Surel-nuva/Sandbox|sandbox]] about the replaced refs. The Other Kanohi page was full of them, so I chose that one. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 17:01, 29 August 2017 (CET)
  
'''<font size=4>See Also</font>'''
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:::::@Morris, what's gonna happen? — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 23:33, 8 September 2017 (CET)
*[[:File:Inika Nuparu Prototype.png|An early prototype of the model]]
 
*[[:File:IgnitersNuparu.jpg|The Igniter prototype of this set]]
 
*<font color=blue>Gallery:Prototypes</font>
 
  
So yeah, why don't we do what you did with 8729? When the gallery gets passed, we'll add a link there. :D -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[BIONICLEsector01 talk:Articles for Creation|<font color="blue" face="Algerian">''The AFC needs your help!''</font>]]</sup> 05:16, 21 March 2016 (CET)
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I think before making any more changes, we should have a discussion, maybe on the main page talk, about where to go from here in terms of citations. Some people have spoken out in favor of exclusively inline citations, while others have said they want all citations to point to a References section. Best to talk it out, preferably with Dorek and Swert weighing in. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 09:22, 9 September 2017 (CET)
  
==Help with Canister Sets==
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== Friendly ==
Can I ask you for a favor? I've been kinda busy in Real Life moving. Zo;tomana says we should add <nowiki>[[Category:Medium Sets]]</nowiki> to all the Canister Set pages ''EXCEPT'' the Stars. Would you mind helping me with that please? Maybe you could do 2006-2009? I've already done 2001 and 2002 and I'm working on 2003 right now. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Order a Sig!</font>]]</sup> 04:52, 7 April 2016 (CET)
 
  
:I'll do it -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font>-<font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</small>''' 10:20, 7 April 2016 (CET)
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Hey man, please try to keep a friendly tone on here. I'm referring to [[Special:Diff/130579|this edit]] specifically. Everyone has made editing mistakes before, you and me included. Also, everyone's on here for fun, so if people don't feel welcome, they won't edit, and the site won't get better. Thanks, -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 20:46, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
  
::Thank you so much. Love the new sig. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 06:52, 11 April 2016 (CET)
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:Yes, I know, I was just out of mood, and exactly regretted the summary after the eduts were done. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 08:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
  
== Matau's Quote ==
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== canon? ==
  
That's my fav, too! :D -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 18:38, 5 June 2016 (CET)
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your edit summary here... was that a real quote? if so where's it from? https://biosector01.com/w/index.php?title=Dekar-Hydraxon&type=revision&diff=132495&oldid=130795
  
== ey ==
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:BIONICLE Legends 8: Downfall page 32. It's at the foot of the page what I used for citing the Dekar-memory stuff on the page. :) — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 18:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
  
can you pass the adventures PDF sweetie? --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 17:54, 25 November 2016 (CET)
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::i gotta find the time to reread those sometime haha [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 05:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
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== Re: Wolfrat ==
  
:You can find them there. These are pictures of them, I used a program to convert them into PDFs :) I'd pass them to you, but I know no way to do it  <br>
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I was thinking the same thing as soon as I saw the "wolfrat" design! That does mean that one of us needs to reach out to him... and with Greg having recused himself from BZP, and the LMB forums now shut down, I'm not sure how one can get in contact with him nowadays.
http://cross-wired-freak.tumblr.com/post/68472919868/bionicle-chronicles-bionicle-adventures-bionicle
 
<br> -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:12, 25 November 2016 (CET)
 
::Oh hey I remember this, from good old /biog/ in 4chan. Forgot this existed. Thanks brother --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 18:14, 25 November 2016 (CET)
 
  
== Krana-Kal telepathy ==
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By the way, while we're discussing Rahi... if you're wondering why I haven't been citing MGttU for the creation of each Rahi, it's just because it's one of the few BIONICLE books I don't actually own. Because it's a bad idea to cite something you haven't actually read (since that easily leads to spreading misinformation), I've decided to play it safe and just let other people cite it. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 20:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Bzgl. http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php?title=Krana-Kal&curid=2801&diff=112701&oldid=112698
 
  
I read everywhere, that ''the Bohrok-Kal'' (meaning ''all'' Bohrok-Kal) could communicate telepathically, so I assume that ''all'' Krana-Kal had telepathical abilities. Is this right? (If so, this information should be added to ''Krana-Kal'' and to ''Bohrok-Kal''.) Krana-Za-Kals ''additional'' abilities are reading non-communicative minds and sensing strong emotions.
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:while i'm replying to the other one, i'll just step in here... i know there was a pdf version of that book floating around the internet at some point, either on reddit or bzpower or something. the only book i haven't been able to find is the bionicle: world one, which is a huge bummer haha. almost everything else should be on the internet somewhere if you google it. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 05:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
  
(The telepathy could also go out from an other area of the Bohrok-Kals body, if not from the Krana.)
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== Question ==
  
--- [[User:MKW|MKW]] ([[User talk:MKW|talk]])
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I have a question, what happened to the user known as Bold Clone? I only ask because his page is still there on this site and his page shows nothing on there. Do you know what happened to him? (User: Kota9999) [[User:Kota9999|Kota9999]] ([[User talk:Kota9999|talk]]) 18:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
  
:The information about the Krana-Kal are came from the [[Comic 11: A Matter of Time...]] comic description, so we don't need to change it. [http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/BS01/Comics/BIONICLE/Comic11/pdf_comic_11.pdf Can you see?] -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:19, 26 November 2016 (CET)
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:I'm sorry I don't know, I never really had a conversation with him. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 20:25, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
  
::So, do all Krana-Kal have telepathical abilities? The Bohrok-Kal article says: "[...] They [the Bohrok-Kal] also gained the ability to communicate telepathically and speak the Matoran language. [...] They were powered by Krana-Kal and could telepathically communicate in the Matoran Language. [...]"
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Oh, I see. Maybe previous users know who he was (User: Kota9999)
::This sounds like all the Bohrok-/Krana-Kal had telepathical abilities! Is this just bad formulated?
 
--- [[User:MKW|MKW]] ([[User talk:MKW|talk]])
 
  
:::No. The Krana-Kal could communicate in Matoran language via the Bohrok-Kal. And All Bohrok-Kal have the ability to communicate in matoran telepathically. But that kind of Krana-Kal [Krana Za-Kal] have telepathical ability without any Bohrok-Kal. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:35, 26 November 2016 (CET)
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== Oh really? ==
  
:::: Oops, right, sry. I was unsure, now I scrolled and read the Krana article in the magazine. Thx, now I understand
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You reverted my Hunter Mask edits for unnecessary wording? I was trying to have the page make sense [[User:Kota9999|Kota9999]] ([[User talk:Kota9999|talk]]) 17:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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== FaRotS Scans ==
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:Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to be offensive,  I've just have some really bad weeks/months/, and I can be misunderstood. The page makes sense, it means the same what you exposed with more words. "[Used to weaken the creatures] to unite with it [with the hunter mask's power]"  makes sense since it a verb-based structure and means the same as "make them unite with him" and "teleporting" as a gerund also makes sense and means the same as "being able to teleport."  — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 21:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  
Could you tell me where you found those scans? Thanks =)
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Oh (User:Kota9999) [[User:Kota9999|Kota9999]] ([[User talk:Kota9999|talk]]) 20:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 20:10, 18 January 2017 (CET)
 
  
:[http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=443712 There], but it's russian. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:20, 18 January 2017 (CET)
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== Bionicle.com is gone.... ==
  
::isn't that comic on the bmp? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 14:54, 20 January 2017 (CET)
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If you now try going to the site it transfers over to Lego Star Wars..... (User:Kota9999) [[User:Kota9999|Kota9999]] ([[User talk:Kota9999|talk]]) 18:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  
:::Actually, it isn't. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 15:13, 20 January 2017 (CET)
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:[https://www.lego.com/en-us/bionicle It's working] but you only if you search for it like this :) — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 19:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
  
::::huh, would have thought they'd have archived it. is there an english version anywhere? (can i assume you can read russian?) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 15:21, 20 January 2017 (CET)
 
  
:::::I'v just found it, but I can't read it for I haven't learnt russian. The FaRotS, the AOSR, and the TET were exclusive comics, only available in their Graphic Novels. Just like the Hydraxon's Tale, so I'm glad that the Hydraxon's Tale was uploaded in 2009 to a site, but it has been removed. (Fortunately, it was translated into hungarian by a fan, so I could read it in my language, and maybe it hasn't been removed from BrickShelf.) Maybe I could try to translate it, but it won't be a perfect-masterpiece translation :D -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:26, 20 January 2017 (CET)
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Oh! Still online I see....I still wonder how long it will be until it’s taken off (again) after the original site was shut down (User:Kota9999)
::::::since when are you hungarian. I thought you were american. --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 07:26, 21 January 2017 (CET)
 
  
:::::I've been learning english since I got interested in the BIONICLE's story (via the MNOG and MNOG2 in 2006, later the story serials & podcasts in 2007. I've become a fan in 2004, my first set was a [[Bordakh]], but I was just 7 years old), and I wanted to read it in enlgish and understand what was written there (BS01). I know I make mistakes when I'm editing the pages but I'm trying not to make them, but sometimes I just mistype and didn't notice it in the "show preview." -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 08:34, 21 January 2017 (CET)
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Well, using the link now in 2019 just brings you to Lego's main website, which now tells me that G2's website has been fully removed. (User:Kota9999)
  
do you ever use english in your day to day life? your english is quite good, actually... i would have never guessed it wasn't your first language.
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== Template:Set ==
Is hydraxon's tale up on the internet anywhere? that was another one i never got to read. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 00:20, 22 January 2017 (CET)
 
  
:Yes, I use it everyday. First place, I learn english in school, on the other hand I use english while I'm here. And there's the comic in [http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=397366 hungarian]. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 09:34, 22 January 2017 (CET)
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I'm not against shortcuts, I was just trying to hide it on the actual template page (so that we don't have a red link to 'Set'). I assume the tag should just be placed elsewhere for it not to break, though I don't know where exactly. <big>[[User talk:Zapnox|<font color="limegreen">»</font>]][[User:Zapnox|<font color="limegreen" face="palatino linotype">Zapnox</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Zapnox|<font color="limegreen">«</font>]]</big> 16:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  
::i knew someone linked me to that comic from this site haha - thanks!. (it's much shorter than i thought it would be lol.) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:38, 23 January 2017 (CET)
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:Well, I originally just put the shortcut link to every set pages, but Morris said it is to complicated, (or something similar, it was a while ago) so I inserted it into the template. But if we put the include only tag the shortcut will not appear on the other pages, as I've seen. The current solution may not be a good solution for that, but it's still not a bad one, I think. I'm not a coder, so someone else could come up with a better version someday, I hope, which doesn't show the shortcut on the template, but does on the set-pages. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 16:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  
== your set collection ==
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==Product Descriptions==
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If you're going to add those, could you maybe possibly start [[List of Sets|here]] so that we have everything in one nice centralized location? -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  04:53, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
  
your bio notes that you've been a fan since 2004 - how'd you collect the 2001 sets like the turaga after they weren't on sale anymore? are they recent internet finds? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:39, 23 January 2017 (CET)
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:Okay, I might be able to start there. Sorry for being late with the answer, I didn't have too many free-time lately. In RL I had much to do, and I worked a lot... okay I had no free-time at all, that was behind my mostly inactive status, I'm so sorry.— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 19:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
  
:Yes, they are. The my pre-2004 sets were bought after 2010 from various sites. :) And as I said, the HT was uploaded online, but it has been removed. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:29, 23 January 2017 (CET)
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== Radiak Ref Link ==
  
== Re: Spaces ==
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Thanks for fixing that for me. I'm not sure how my edit ended up with two brackets. I have no idea how these references work LOL. I really appreciate the help. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 02:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  
Sorry, I was trying to cut down on the bytes used per page (and by extension, the site as a whole). I didn't mean to cause a problem. :/ -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 21:28, 31 January 2017 (CET)
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== Mobile site ==
  
Originally, I did the same thing, but I realized that almost every page have these, so removing them would take more time than I have. And When I edited the pages I hardly could see how many "=" wrote before and after the names/words. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:39, 31 January 2017 (CET)
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Hey, we're thinking about removing BS01's dedicated mobile view because the desktop view adapts to small screens now. If I'm not mistaken you edit pretty much exclusively through the mobile view, so I don't want to remove it without getting your input. Have you tried reading and editing BS01 through the desktop view? (There should be a link to it at the bottom of the mobile view.) If so, what do you think of it? Are there any features that could be improved? Or if you haven't tried using the desktop view, could you try it out and see what you think? Thanks! -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 23:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  
== Recent addition to your bio ==
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:Oh, thank you for asking my opinion on that. I tried it, and, for me the desktop view is better than the mobile site. I used to edit the pages on PC back then, when I was more active, so the desktop view solved every problem what I have with the mobile version. It is much nicer when I'm looking at the recent changes on an article. The differences between the two versions, and the page below them is clearer, and easier to read. My only nitpick could be when the sidebar is activated it's overlapping the page, but this could also be a problem only on my device. And I'm sorry for my bad english, ever since I begun to work, I used it less and less, and now I'm unsure that it is understandable or not. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 11:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  
What's LDD? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 22:07, 26 February 2017 (CET)
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::Thanks for the feedback! I think I'll disable the mobile view then. When you say the sidebar is overlapping the page, do you mean it completely blocks the page so you can only see the sidebar? The sidebar is supposed to cover the left part of the page and leave the right part visible. Then you can tap the right part to close the sidebar. I can mess with the CSS if the sidebar isn't working correctly. Also your English is very understandable, don't worry! -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 19:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  
:'''L'''ego '''D'''igital '''D'''esigner. =) Well, I would need a Vahki head, Visorak foot pieces, Rahkshi heads, and a couple of more thing for Lariska, what the program doesn't have...-- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 22:18, 26 February 2017 (CET)
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::Also, what do think of the book citations on [[Tahu (Generation 1)]]? They should appear when you hover over them on a computer or tap them on a mobile device. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 20:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  
::huh, cool, i didn't know such a thing was available. :) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 23:27, 26 February 2017 (CET)
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:::Oh, don't worry. I meant it covered the half page, and it didn't want to leave, but apparently it seems like I only had connection problems, for now it works fine. With the sidebar, I noticed when the hungarian language was chosen, there was a 'BIONICLEsector01' subscription over the icon and the 'BS01 Wiki' script. I made a [https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48613033778_a0008e901a_o.jpg screenshot], but this problem resolves itself when I switch the language to english in the preferences. Other than that I have no problem with this.
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::: I saw it, and I like the way how the information is hidden, but my problem is the long list of references in the end of the page. I know, I know, on most of the wikis retains that same method, but if we could merge the two, the hidden script, and the outside citations (like the BookCitation & co.), it would be pretty nice. We would have organized pages, with "hidden" sources, (as I assume the Lein page will have the same fate and it only has citations no other sources iirc) we wouldn't have a half-page list of references. :) — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 20:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  
== Koronan ==
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::::Cool, glad it's working now. And thanks for pointing that bug out. I'll look into it. As for the references section, we could do something like [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Notes_and_references Wookieepedia] where the References section is small and you scroll through it. What do you (and others) think? -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 20:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  
I never used Tohunga - that one's pretty obvious - but could I have a source for "Koronan" not being canon? Among other places, it still exists in the post-lawsuit revision of MNOG alongside "Matoran", and I don't see how it would fall under the purview of the lawsuit without "Koro" also being deemed unacceptable. Also, is it just me or are these Koro pages kinda bare on detail and images? [[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 23:04, 18 March 2017 (CET)
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::::It works on PC, and maybe here it would work on desktop mode. But on the mobile Wookieepedia page, it's just a very long list. Maybe because it runs on a different server and don't have and adapting desktop version I guess? — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 21:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  
I mean, is there an ''official'' source for that? --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 00:18, 19 March 2017 (CET)
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Ah I didn't check on mobile, sorry. Yeah Wikia has a separate mobile site, which is probably why it didn't show up for you. I've set up a demo for small screens on [[Tahu (Generation 1)]]. Also, the logo issue should be resolved now. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 23:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
  
Here's the thing, though: In all of the examples you stated, they're only non-canon because they ''contradict the existing versions of those events in mainstream media.'' For example, it was already stated that there were only two Manas, so the depiction of multiple Manas in MNOG is non-canon, fair enough. However, there is ''nothing'' outside of MNOG stating that "Koronan" is an illegitimate term. For that matter, "-Koronan" technically means something entirely different from "-Matoran" - a Ta-Matoran is a type of Matoran who is imbued with the element of Fire; a Ta-Koronan is just someone who ''lives'' in Ta-Koro. For example, Vakama isn't a Ta-Matoran, but he ''is'' a Ta-Koronan.
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:I like it, at first I didn't even notice it while I checked the bottom of the page. And yes, the logo issue is solved, thanks.— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 07:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  
The fact of the matter is, though, we cannot deem something non-canon just because Greg didn't mention it - it can only be considered noncanon if Greg or later writings EXPLICITLY say it is. As things stand, there is ''zero'' information supporting the claim that Koronan is non-canon. And frankly, to assume it's non-canon without any evidence is ''not'' how a Wiki should operate. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 15:59, 19 March 2017 (CET)
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== I need help on HS01 ==
:Except, that's TOTALLY how a Wiki works. It is not canon, therefore it doesn't belong on the Wiki except in passing mention in Trivia sections only. It's like pointing at a Nintendo system, and calling it a Sega. Sure, someone probably CALLED it a Sega, but it isn't a Sega so it's therefore incorrect. Matoran were briefly called both Tohunga and Koronans, but those terms are obsolete and to continue to use that term in pages causes confusion. Therefore, we reflect the Wiki pages to say that. --<span class="plainlinks">[http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/User:Swert <img>http://biosector01.com/swert/WikiSig.png</img>]</span> <sup><font color="#09c2e3">Owner ([[User talk:Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">contribs</font>]])</font></sup>
 
  
::With all due respect, you keep insisting that it's not canon, but there's still nothing to support that. As previously stated, "Koronan" is NOT the same thing as "Matoran" - "Koronan" applies to anyone or anyTHING that hails from a given village - it's the Mata Nui equivalent of "Metruan". This is not to be equated with Tohunga, which is obsolete because it was explicitly replaced by the word Matoran, which means the exact same thing. However, since there exists no other word that means the same thing as "Koronan", I urge you to reconsider your position on this matter. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 07:01, 20 March 2017 (CET)
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Hey, I've been updating quite a lot on HS01 wiki, but I need help on how to insert images into a few new pages. The pages I'm trying to create are for that of Splitface's Weapons, The Poison Plasma Gun and the Shredding Claw. -[[User: Kota9999]]
 
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:Do we have images of the weapons on the wiki? — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 09:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
:::Can someone search the old Greg documents for any questions involving the term "Koronan"? That should clear this up. If he said the term is non canon, then it's no canon. But if he never said anything one way or the other, it's used in an official storyline source, so there's no reason not to accept it. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 17:40, 20 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::::The "Koronan" was ONLY used in the MNOG and its walktrough... and by the fans. but every time a fan asked Greg about the "koronan" (eg.: Le-Koronan) Greg answered with "matoran." (eg.: Le-Matoran) And since the maori thing the "koronan" word, along with the tohunga, are omitted from any media, except the MNOG. But no (non-semi canon) books, no comics, no Templar online animations use the "koronan" word. It is long forgotten with the tohunga, as I re-read the OGD stuff. And Swert is the owner, if he says the Koronan should not be here (except MNOG stuff), it must not be here. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:06, 20 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::::That ''still'' doesn't qualify as Greg decanonizing it - he could just be more accustomed to saying "Matoran", or be referring exclusively to them. But unless he contradicts its existence, there's no reason for us to assume it doesn't  exist. And while it is no longer possible for us to ask him if the term "Koronan" is canon, I don't see why he would say no - after all, the term could not have been part of the Maori lawsuit without the base word "Koro" also going the way of "Tohunga". Furthermore, since it has no other true equivalent in canon, the term is very much not obsolete.
 
 
 
The fact remains that there is no solid evidence for us to regard the term non-canon - at the very most, it is ''canonically ambiguous''. But unless someone here was officially given creative control over BIONICLE's story, none of us have the right to entirely omit established material from the recorded canon without concrete evidence that contradicts its existence. And frankly, such a "when in doubt, not canon" attitude can only be detrimental to the quality of this Wiki's content. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 21:22, 20 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:I'm just reading all this, so i'm a little late to the party (and it seems that some of the comments were deleted anyway haha) but i'd like to chime in and say that the bionicle chronicles books did refer to some of the matoran as koronans. that said, i remember reading something that said that cathy hapka used that term in error, since she didn't have all the info on all the nuances of the diction to be used. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:40, 22 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::You can find the other half on The Aimless Wanderer1's talk-page. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:46, 22 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::Yes, I've already read that. Unfortunately, Wiki material still doesn't qualify as an official source, since anyone can edit it. For that matter, the cited sentence could use some rewording: The way it's written, it seems to suggest that ALL instances of "Matoran" in MNOG were replaced by "Koronan" - which is far from the case in any version of MNOG. -- [[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 10:10, 28 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
== Chat ==
 
 
 
Surel-nuva could you please visit the chat? I want to discuss reasoning behind my few edits I did. Delete this if you need so.--[[User:BionicleMax|BionicleMax]] ([[User talk:BionicleMax|talk]]) 16:37, 22 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
It's better for me, because if you write something there, I'll get a notification on the top of the page(s), so I can answer, and usually, I don't check the chat. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:01, 22 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
== (Formerly) Format ==
 
 
 
I think the reason you may have experienced "X (formerly), Y (formerly)" being changed to "X, Y (both formerly)" is because we used to list things all in one line, as opposed to using the <nowiki><br></nowiki> tabs. For a horizontal list like that, it makes more sense to have the (formerly) tag after both of them. For a vertical list, though, it really doesn't sit right with me. Does that makes sense to you? Think we ought to change it? --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:50, 23 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:No, I experienced after ''I'' started to list the things horizontally on the pages, because placing everything in 1 line made No sense for me, and this horizontal listing make the pages clearer (okay, also makes the infobox larger, but it worthy). It was either you or Morris, who removed the (formerly) tags after the different things and replaced them with a single (all/both formerly) tag having said that it should be like this. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:21, 23 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::Ha, really? I'd forgotten. My bad. Well, I've changed my mind: I would prefer to use the <nowiki>"X (formerly) <br> Y (formerly)"</nowiki> format that you tried to implement. Does that sound like a good idea? --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 23:31, 23 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::I'm not 100% sure that it was you, It could be Morris, I don't remember exactly. For me the <nowiki>"x (formerly)<br>y (formerly)<br>z (formerly)" makes more sense than "x<br>y<br>z (all formerly)."</nowiki> — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:42, 23 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::::Yeah that may have been me, heh. If so I was just doing it to be consistent with other pages. Honestly I think that the current (both formerly) setup is more confusing than it needs to be, and that having (formerly) on each line is generally better. That said, if we adopt this new system, we should iron out some more details first. For example, let's say someone wielded two weapons (A and B), got rid of both at the same time, and then picked out a new weapon (C). Saying <code><nowiki>A {{C|formerly}} <br> B {{C|formerly}} <br> C {{C|formerly}}</nowiki></code> suggests the character had A, then had B, then had C. In this case the following system conveys more information: <code><nowiki>A and B{{C|both formerly}} <br> C {{C|formerly}}</nowiki></code> suggests A and B were wielded together but were replaced with C. How do you think we should deal with edge cases like this? -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 23:51, 23 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
== The Hagah's formation II and Kanoka ==
 
 
 
After lots and lots of research, I haven't found anything about the time of the creation of the Hagah. Still, I may lack proof for saying that some of their formations were made separately, but it's the same for you to say that they were all formed at the same time, so how about this:
 
 
 
Currently the timeline page puts the events from NOGLB in the "Sometime before 75,000 years ago" section, and they are followed by the creation of the Hagah as if it was one event. Since we are not certain that their creations happened all at once we could put the events from NOGLB in a new "Sometime between before 75,000 years ago (which is the creation of Spiriah's team) and at least 7,000 years ago (which is when TSO is shown having Varian in stasis in BL4)" section, and change the Hagah formation event to "The Brotherhood of Makuta starts selecting Toa from various teams to serve as bodyguards for its members, calling them Toa Hagah."
 
 
 
What do you think? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 18:48, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:Or Ancient didn't have the Levitation-kanoka boots yet when the NOGLB happened. The short story doesn't mention Ancient having them, so it isn't a reason to change it. Leave it like that, until we find a way to ask Greg to clarify it. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:05, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::The DH attack the Toa with them in NOGLB, I was going to change that thing but fortunately I saw a link leading to the Kanoka page while skimming through the page. Untill we have that clarification, which I think we won't ever get, stating that that fact is confirmed is technically wrong, isn't it? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:18, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::Technically, we should remove the whole Toa Hagah and NOGLB story from the Timeline, because we don't have real specific time periods for them. But for Spiriah had a Toa Hagah team, the formation of them should be before his self-exile what happened according to the BIONICLE: World 75-70,000 years ago. And maybe the Metru Nui style Kanoka was invented on Metru Nui 4,000 years ago, but they used normal ones (like Lurker, Gatherer and Ancient) before the invention. Remember, each Metru had a special ability for their Kanoka. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:28, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::::That's kinda the point I was trying to make on the Hagah's fromation, we don't have a precise time period, so let's put it in an approximative one, like basically almost every other section in that Timeline. Is there any problem or can we do like I proposed? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:31, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::::Why wouldn't we wait until someone else say something about this? Like @Morris the Mata Nui Cow, or @Angel Bob, or @Dorek? — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:37, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::::Why should we? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:39, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::::Because we're just 2 users, and they have more right to decide. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:01, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::::I unserstand Dorek and Morris, but why Angel Bob too? As far as I know he isn't among the staff. But still, if they have a problem with this they can always change it. I mean, one of the help pages says we shouldn't be afraid of making an edit, or something like that. As far as I know, Dorek and Morris haven't said anything against this, and leaving out info sounds like a bad idea in a place where people come to find info. I decided to see if you were fine with this since we previously strongly disagreed, but if it wasn't for this I would have simply made the edit immediately. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 21:22, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::::::I'm definitely not one of the staff, but I'm happy to lend my opinion if it will help reach a conclusion. I have to admit, this is really a nebulous zone. It seems extremely counterintuitive to me that the Toa Hagah would be formed at different times, but we can't really assume anything one way or the other without evidence. I think OnionShark's suggestion, of giving an approximate time span (of 63,000 years - wow) for when NOGLB takes place, might be the most accurate thing we can do. Maybe we could add some notes on the NOGLB or timeline page clarifying the various theories, for readers to come to their own conclusions. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:30, 29 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
75K+ years ago is a rather approximate time. The key here is really the formation of the Hagah teams. Figure when the Hagah came into being, and NOGLB came behind that. Kanoka can then be said to either have gotten developed at different times in different places, or it was just an error on the part of the author that didn't really get caught. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
:So, @[[User:Zo;Tomana|Zo;Tomana]], nothing will change? I mean the NOGLB and the Hagah formation is placed in "Sometime before 75,000 Years Ago" now. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 11:02, 30 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
So, considering the points that have been made here, do you have any problem with this change to the timeline? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 15:06, 30 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::Considering what Zo;Tomana wrote, we should not change anything in the timeline. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 15:45, 30 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::What? He didn't say we shouldn't, what you are suggesting is still based on the unconfirmed notion that all the teams were formed at the same time. Unless we can find a source that says so, this approximation is the next best thing (unless there's a problem with it that you haven't told us about, that is). @Zo;Tomana, Greg confirmed that Kanoka were created at different times in different places [https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-General/Chat-with-Greg-Farshtey/m-p/12624319/highlight/true#M279675 here]. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:18, 30 March 2017 (CET)
 
::::Getting a 404 erros with your link there, alas. So then Kanoka being in the story is a non-issue, and their invention in Ko-Metru is simply the local invention. Which just leaves Hagah team formation. I don't necessarily have a problem with a change in the timeline, but it is probably best to leave it as it is until we know more, rather than make changes based on a lack of knowledge. If Greg says Spiriah had a Hagah team, then this team had to have been formed 75K+ years ago. While we don't have, as far as I know, official word that all the teams were created at the same time... we don't have word that they weren't. It would be most reasonable to assume they were recruited around the same time until we are told otherwise. I mean, really: why would Spiriah get a Hagah team before Teridax? [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
:::::I don't think we will ever get a confirmation, but even if we will, untill then we can't really consider either option canon, so an approximation should do. There might be many reasons for the Hagah to have been formed seperatly as well: for one, this guys are elites, and you don't just find them growing on some trees, it takes a considerable amount of time to find them, and then you should consider that some Makuta might have not seen a need for a Hagah team, especially Teridax, who was arrogance incarnated and would likely have thought that he didn't need someone protecting him. This is just to say, both options would make sense, and instead of just using the one that you think makes more sense, why not put the info in a way that could fit both of them? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 06:58, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
Making both somehow fit into the timeline would be odd, I feel. The current situation is an approximation. It doesn't pin down when it happened, just when it did not. And it isn't really connected solidly to the NOGLB tale as you imply in the first post. They just both happen to take place sometime before 75K years ago, and that's all we know (besides that Teridax's Hagah team hadn't been formed until after Varian's capture). There's plenty of other, unconnected events related within the same blocks of the timeline, but we don't assume that they were all one event. Look at the "100,000 years ago" section.
 
 
 
As to "you don't find them growing on trees," the [[Toa Hagah|Hagah]] page relates that they were taken from Toa that were serving at the time by deciding which Toa were considered to be the best [http://www.bzpower.com/board/blog/59/entry-51798-farshtey-feed-p200-204/ (Greg Source)]. This process would have taken some time, but given the resources of the Brotherhood it doesn't make sense it would take the tens of thousands of years necessary to split things up in the timeline. Toa served in the armies of the Makuta even while Miserix still led the Brotherhood, and Toa continued to serve (eventually as Hagah) until Terry's Hagah revolted. Not like the Makuta would have to do some kind of intense scouring of the MU to find capable, experience Toa.
 
 
 
Interestingly, that source also relates that there were certain Makuta who did not choose to have Hagah teams. Of the four listed as not having them, only Krika does not have a obvious reason to skip out. Icarax and Gorast are fighters, and vicious. Kojol was the Makuta of Artakha, and clearly did not want to reveal the location of his region to anyone, even other Makuta much less some Toa.
 
 
 
It is my strong feeling that we not move forward based on the idea that "because we don't know, we have to somehow artificially hedge our bets." We know Spiriah had a team. We therefore know the process had to at least start at the time we've estimated, and we know NOGLB happens prior to Norik's recruitment. We also know that, when the decision to form the Hagah was made, the Toa were drawn from existing teams. To me, that says that the Makuta surveyed the Toa who were serving at the time, and pulled the most qualified to act as Hagah for any Makuta who did not choose to go without a team. It is simpler to reason that these Toa were pulled all at once. All we have to assume is that Teridax was among the Makuta who decided to opt in when the decision was made. If we say "Teridax opted out, and then later opted in," we have to first assume that he opted out, and then assume that something happened which caused him to feel he needed a Hagah team. All things being equal, I would judge we go with the simpler option. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
:So, @[[User:OnionShark|OnionShark]], Nothing will change. Topic Closed! — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:41, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
 
 
:@Surel-Nuva, it's a little too fast to consider the topic closed if I haven't even had the chance to respond, don't you think?
 
 
 
:@Zo;Tomana One event? What are you talking about? The current situation treats something that's not canon as if it was. And if you haven't understood it yet, there's no point in trying to discuss if it would make sense or if it would be simpler that the Hagah were formed at the same time or not if we don't have a confirmation, as both sides of the discussion have some evidence backing their claims. Neither is canon, both could be, then let's make an approximation that would make it possible for either to be true. It's better than treating an unconfirmed notion as canon at least. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:04, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
::He might be a little tired of the discussion being here on his page, so when you respond please do so over on my [[User_talk:Zo;Tomana|talkpage]].
 
::I am not convinced that your position has much, if any, evidence at all to back it up. Regardless, what would you suggest as the simplest way to remove your perception of ambiguity? [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
:@Zo;Tomana, I'm not tired of it, I just see it unnecessary. He wanted to change 1 word, it doesn't make sense... Why would Spiriah (the one who couldn't create a normal Rahi) have a Toa team before his LEADER????? Teridax was the kinda person who needed bodyguards as the LEADER of the BoM. Until we get the proper info we should leave the timeline like this.... — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:19, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::Well, never mind about moving it, then.
 
::And that point is one I personally agree with, Surel. Onion's point about Teridax opting out (temporarily) due to arrogance is also not so clear-cut. Not only does one have to make a double assumption (that he opted out, and that something happened to make him change his mind), but one could just as validly say that, because of his arrogance, Teridax would enjoy having a personal team of Toa t his beck and call, taking care of any threats he felt unworthy of his abilities. To my mind, the current situation, while not explicitly raised, is reasonable and likely, and much more so than the alternative. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
:::Sorry, I didn't see Surel's post before I moved part of the discussion to your page. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:52, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
You're fine. Moving your post here for the sake of having everything here. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
:::Well, that's not really my position. It used to be, but just because I had misinterpreted a Greg quote, and I became impartial to both sides of the discussion when Angel Bob made me notice that. The thing is, I think that Terry's arrogance and underestimation of his enemies would make a good reason, I don't see why the fact that he's a leader has anything to do with this like SN is suggesting, and Terry might have not seen the need for a Hagah team but then changed his mind, might be for his arrogance, or for the fact that he had so many other Toa loyal to the Brotherhood that he could already use to serve him, or even members of any species stronger than Toa. I mean, as far as I know having a Hagah team is not mandatory for the Makuta.
 
 
 
:::But that's beside the point -- we could argue to death about which makes more sense, but if neither is canon, neither should be considered to be so by us, especially not because one seems simpler than the other.
 
 
 
:::What do you mean by "perception of ambiguity?" I think that the facts on the Timeline page are incorrect, I haven't said anything about ambiguity. The thing I suggested is this, copy&pasted from my original post:
 
:::"[...] we could put the events from NOGLB in a new "Sometime between before 75,000 years ago (which is the creation of Spiriah's team) and at least 7,000 years ago (which is when TSO is shown having Varian in stasis in BL4)" section, and change the Hagah formation event [FYI, it says that all teams were created at the same time, even though it's not confirmed] to "The Brotherhood of Makuta starts selecting Toa from various teams to serve as bodyguards for its members, calling them Toa Hagah."
 
 
 
:::So, what's the problem with this again? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:46, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
I suppose the issue is that I still fail find it reasonable to hedge things quite that widely. I mean, even Angel has said that it is "extremely counterintuitive" for the Hagah to be chosen at such widely different times. The figure he gave was 63,000 years. Geez.
 
 
 
If you don't mind, I'd like to get another head to weigh in here. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
:I don't mind, go ahead. But I just wanted to tell you that it doesn't matter if it's a big approximation or not, it matters that we don't treat non-canon stuff as canon. Besides, what's wrong with big approximations? @Angel Bob, why would it be counterintuitive to have some Hagah teams be formed at different times? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 21:16, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::Well, this is certainly ballooning up again. I find the idea counterintuitive for many of the same reasons Zo;Tomana has stated: it requires us to assume that each Makuta individually chose to get a team of bodyguards at different times for different reasons, which has many moving parts. I still agree, though, that in the absence of canon clarification either way, we shouldn't make hard assumptions. So I would repeat my suggestion that we place the formation "Between before 75,000 years ago and 7,000 years ago" on the timeline, add a note (using the notes function) to explain the conflicting facts, and leave it up to the reader's interpretation. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:43, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::Now that I think about it, every placement in the timeline should have some sort of explanation for why the event is where it is. But I don't think we need to put the two sides of the discussion in the notes and leaving it to the interpretation, it would be enough to say something to the likes of "we know the BoM started creating Hagah teams at least 75,000 YA, and we know that the events of NOGLB take place before 7,000 YA, therefore they must take place sometime in the span of time from the former date to the latter." It's just an idea, I'd like to see what you guys think of it. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 23:47, 31 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::::I'm leaning toward Angel Bob's idea. It's the most technically correct option since it doesn't rely on any assumptions about when Teridax's team formed. (Good as those assumptions may be.) Tomana suggested rephrasing it as "75,000+ to 7,000 years ago" to cut down on verbiage, which I'm in favor of. We can add a note but, again, as has been noted (heh), we haven't done that for other dates. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 00:46, 1 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::I still stand by my feelings that this is one of the sillier questions about the canon (considering how much we've pinned down, we've gotten into the silly range, I guess). Here's my proposal: move all the Varian stuff to the "Sometime Before 7000 years ago" section. Change the language to say something like "Before Norik was recruited as a Hagah TSO ordered the capture of a Psionics Toa blah blah blah." Add a bullet point afterwards to say "Norik is later recruited as part of Teridax's Hagah Team." With the bullet point about The Hagah Teams being formed 75K+ years ago, we leave it there in the 75K+ section, but if we're going to be pedantic here about it, we can't say "Makuta begin recruiting Hagah teams" any more than we can say "Hagah teams are recruited." Literally the most accurate and neutral way I can think to put it is this: "Toa are recruited to serve as Toa Hagah for some Makuta." We don't say who, we don't say all, we don't imply a for sure process, we leave it open that more Hagah teams come later. If we ever to get to ask Greg, we can ask. That sound like a reasonable proposal on how to handle the placement of events? [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
::::On NOGLB, I'm still in favor of the 75,000+ to 7,000 approximation, because it's a little more precise, but what you're proposing would also make sense. Either way should be good.
 
:::: On the Hagah formation though, we can actually say that the BoM starts ''recruiting'' Toa as in "they start seeking elite Toa for prorection," not as in "they start forming Hagah teams," and I think it's more accurate than saying that some Hagah teams are formed. We could also add an event that says that Spiriah's team was formed in that section, at least ''that'' we know for sure. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 15:49, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
:::My problem with the "start seeking" language is that, just as much as the current language implies one event, it implies a process. If we don't know either way, we should work to not imply either, shouldn't we? [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
::::Actually, we know that there was a process of the BoM seeking Toa for recruitment. They sent some servants to find Toa for them, and we know when this process would have started (79,100-75,000 YA), so, no problem right? Can we go ahead with the changes? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 07:52, 5 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::::Why do you bother about this? Why can't you leave it as it is now? I agree with Zo;Tomana. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 07:59, 5 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::::::As I've already said like seven times, the way it is now, the timeline is inaccurate and presents something that's not confirmed as canon. Is there something wrong with not wanting that on a wiki? I think that all the different things that have been proposed in this discussion are better than the way the page is now. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 20:41, 5 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
== Tridax and the meaning of "soetime" ==
 
 
 
Hey, could you give me the date of the quote in the OGDi that mentions that poll? Or you could use it as a citation for that section on Tridax's page. And before I tell you the meaning of "soetime," could you explain me the meaning of "coukd?" :P '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:03, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:You caught me :D Tridax, Antroz, Vamprah's region: OGDi: Nov 1 2009, 10:30 AM, #5 question — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:27, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
If we don't know which Hagah were killed, then we can't just say that they were all killed, especially considering that the second quote you used says that some of them survived. It'd be better to say that their fates are unknown. '
 
EDIT: Uhm, you do realize that Antroz's bio says nothing of the Toa Hagah, right? Are you basing this off of his quote? 'Cause it doesn't really imply that he killed his team. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:38, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:"Toa serve an important purpose in this world – they help me keep my claws sharp." - And we know he is aggressive, so He kept his claws sharp with his Toa Hagah out of range after the rebellion. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:15, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:No, that might be a nice interpretation, but it doesn't say anything concrete about the Hagah. You can't just jump to conclusions like that. And what do you think about what I proposed? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 18:26, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:I just like the timeline how it is now. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:40, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::I was talking about this: If we don't know which Hagah were killed, then we can't just say that they were all killed, especially considering that the second quote you used says that some of them survived. It'd be better to say that their fates are unknown. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 18:54, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::Good point. We could say something to this effect: "After Teridax's team of Toa Hagah rebelled, all other Toa Hagah either grew corrupt or were put to death. The fate of _____'s Toa Hagah is unknown." -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::::Okay, and put the OGD cite + the Farshtey Feed ref after the sentence. Another thing... Will we replace the Farshtey Feed stuff with their respective OGD/OGDi/OGQ GregCitations?? — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:29, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
My inclination is yes, best to cite the original source when possible. I think we should let others weigh in before making those changes though. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 22:04, 3 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:It would definitely be better to cite the original source, especially given how often some nuances are lost in the Farshtey feeds. However, please note this will probably be impossible for any quote between Sep 26, 2008 and Mar 16, 2009 (they were wiped out during a BZPower crash). --[[User:Maxim21|<font color="goldenrod">maxim21</font>]] 05:21, 4 April 2017 (CET)
 
::Here seconding Maxim's point. A big part of the trouble with some of the information we have here is that we may not ever be able to cite it. A lot of it was added with the assumption that the OGD on BZP was there for anyone to trawl through to their heart's content. What citation there was would have been a link in the edit summary to the relevant post, and those are certainly gone. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
 
:::I meant that we replace the FF things with OGD/OGDi/OGQ ones what have. If there's something what is contained in a Farshtey Feed but not in the Official Greg Topics, the info should remain in the Farshtey Feed refs. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 14:57, 4 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
== NM vs. M ==
 
 
 
I'm not sure we should be removing the "mentioned only" tag if "not mentioned by name" is also there. My understanding is that, in the current system, an appearance can be NM without being M, so if it's NM ''and'' M, both tags should be listed since NM doesn't imply M. (The system is poorly worded in that respect, since the phrase "not mentioned by name" seems to suggest the appearance was a mention, even though I don't believe it has to be.) Take my Memoirs of the Dead entry for example. (Sort of a self-centered example I'm afraid, but it's the first one that's coming to mind.) Piruk appears in the story and plays a notable role, but he is only described as a nervous Le-Matoran with claws without being outright called by name. Under the current system, that would be an NM appearance without being M. What do others think--should NM imply M? One solution I see is changing "not mentioned by name" to "not referred to by name," since that doesn't suggest the character's appearance was just a mention. Then appearances could be only "NR" (a nervous Le-Matoran with claws appears in the story), or "NR" and "M" (someone mentions a nervous Le-Matoran with claws). -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 23:16, 8 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:So there would be a "not referred by name/NR"=appeared but not mentioned by name, a "not mentioned by name/NM"= was only mentioned but not by name, and a "mentioned only/M"=was mentioned by name? Or did I misunderstand sy?? — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:23, 8 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
::I was thinking:
 
::*NR: not named
 
::*M: mentioned only
 
::So we could have combos of them to mean:
 
::*NR only: appeared, but not referred to by name
 
::*M only: mentioned by name
 
::*M + NR: mentioned, but not by name
 
::And we'd get rid of NM entirely. To reduce the amount of editing required, we could make <code><nowiki>{{C|NM}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{C|NR}}</nowiki></code> both map to NR. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 23:39, 8 April 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
It would  be strange if the NM would be a redirect... I'll do the edits if we edit the [[Template:C]]. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 07:17, 9 April 2017 (CET)
 

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Videos

Just wanted to give a big thank you for updating all those video links! Good stuff. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:39, 27 August 2017 (CET)

I wonder why we don't use the reference/citation format what I used in the video names, and on the Aquatic Power Blade instead of the reference list. Sometimes it's bug me when I see the long list of references on the pages. Also, we have most of the sets' instructions on our wiki, so why don't we use them instead of the external ones from the LEGO.com? — SurelNuva (Talk) 15:43, 27 August 2017 (CET)
I'll defer to the other staff on the first question. As for the second one, yeah let's use locally hosted instructions when possible. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:22, 27 August 2017 (CET)
I've posted some suggestions on the Splash's talk page recently. — SurelNuva (Talk) 20:27, 27 August 2017 (CET)
I've made a sandbox about the replaced refs. The Other Kanohi page was full of them, so I chose that one. — SurelNuva (Talk) 17:01, 29 August 2017 (CET)
@Morris, what's gonna happen? — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:33, 8 September 2017 (CET)

I think before making any more changes, we should have a discussion, maybe on the main page talk, about where to go from here in terms of citations. Some people have spoken out in favor of exclusively inline citations, while others have said they want all citations to point to a References section. Best to talk it out, preferably with Dorek and Swert weighing in. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 09:22, 9 September 2017 (CET)

Friendly

Hey man, please try to keep a friendly tone on here. I'm referring to this edit specifically. Everyone has made editing mistakes before, you and me included. Also, everyone's on here for fun, so if people don't feel welcome, they won't edit, and the site won't get better. Thanks, -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:46, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I know, I was just out of mood, and exactly regretted the summary after the eduts were done. — SurelNuva (Talk) 08:29, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

canon?

your edit summary here... was that a real quote? if so where's it from? https://biosector01.com/w/index.php?title=Dekar-Hydraxon&type=revision&diff=132495&oldid=130795

BIONICLE Legends 8: Downfall page 32. It's at the foot of the page what I used for citing the Dekar-memory stuff on the page. :) — SurelNuva (Talk) 18:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
i gotta find the time to reread those sometime haha Intelligence4 (talk) 05:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Wolfrat

I was thinking the same thing as soon as I saw the "wolfrat" design! That does mean that one of us needs to reach out to him... and with Greg having recused himself from BZP, and the LMB forums now shut down, I'm not sure how one can get in contact with him nowadays.

By the way, while we're discussing Rahi... if you're wondering why I haven't been citing MGttU for the creation of each Rahi, it's just because it's one of the few BIONICLE books I don't actually own. Because it's a bad idea to cite something you haven't actually read (since that easily leads to spreading misinformation), I've decided to play it safe and just let other people cite it. --PeabodySam (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

while i'm replying to the other one, i'll just step in here... i know there was a pdf version of that book floating around the internet at some point, either on reddit or bzpower or something. the only book i haven't been able to find is the bionicle: world one, which is a huge bummer haha. almost everything else should be on the internet somewhere if you google it. Intelligence4 (talk) 05:20, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Question

I have a question, what happened to the user known as Bold Clone? I only ask because his page is still there on this site and his page shows nothing on there. Do you know what happened to him? (User: Kota9999) Kota9999 (talk) 18:47, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't know, I never really had a conversation with him. — SurelNuva (Talk) 20:25, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Maybe previous users know who he was (User: Kota9999)

Oh really?

You reverted my Hunter Mask edits for unnecessary wording? I was trying to have the page make sense Kota9999 (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to be offensive, I've just have some really bad weeks/months/, and I can be misunderstood. The page makes sense, it means the same what you exposed with more words. "[Used to weaken the creatures] to unite with it [with the hunter mask's power]" makes sense since it a verb-based structure and means the same as "make them unite with him" and "teleporting" as a gerund also makes sense and means the same as "being able to teleport." — SurelNuva (Talk) 21:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh (User:Kota9999) Kota9999 (talk) 20:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Bionicle.com is gone....

If you now try going to the site it transfers over to Lego Star Wars..... (User:Kota9999) Kota9999 (talk) 18:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

It's working but you only if you search for it like this :) — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


Oh! Still online I see....I still wonder how long it will be until it’s taken off (again) after the original site was shut down (User:Kota9999)

Well, using the link now in 2019 just brings you to Lego's main website, which now tells me that G2's website has been fully removed. (User:Kota9999)

Template:Set

I'm not against shortcuts, I was just trying to hide it on the actual template page (so that we don't have a red link to 'Set'). I assume the tag should just be placed elsewhere for it not to break, though I don't know where exactly. »Zapnox« 16:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, I originally just put the shortcut link to every set pages, but Morris said it is to complicated, (or something similar, it was a while ago) so I inserted it into the template. But if we put the include only tag the shortcut will not appear on the other pages, as I've seen. The current solution may not be a good solution for that, but it's still not a bad one, I think. I'm not a coder, so someone else could come up with a better version someday, I hope, which doesn't show the shortcut on the template, but does on the set-pages. — SurelNuva (Talk) 16:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Product Descriptions

If you're going to add those, could you maybe possibly start here so that we have everything in one nice centralized location? -- Dorek Talk External Image 04:53, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I might be able to start there. Sorry for being late with the answer, I didn't have too many free-time lately. In RL I had much to do, and I worked a lot... okay I had no free-time at all, that was behind my mostly inactive status, I'm so sorry.— SurelNuva (Talk) 19:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Radiak Ref Link

Thanks for fixing that for me. I'm not sure how my edit ended up with two brackets. I have no idea how these references work LOL. I really appreciate the help. -- Toa Jala Converse 02:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Mobile site

Hey, we're thinking about removing BS01's dedicated mobile view because the desktop view adapts to small screens now. If I'm not mistaken you edit pretty much exclusively through the mobile view, so I don't want to remove it without getting your input. Have you tried reading and editing BS01 through the desktop view? (There should be a link to it at the bottom of the mobile view.) If so, what do you think of it? Are there any features that could be improved? Or if you haven't tried using the desktop view, could you try it out and see what you think? Thanks! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 23:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for asking my opinion on that. I tried it, and, for me the desktop view is better than the mobile site. I used to edit the pages on PC back then, when I was more active, so the desktop view solved every problem what I have with the mobile version. It is much nicer when I'm looking at the recent changes on an article. The differences between the two versions, and the page below them is clearer, and easier to read. My only nitpick could be when the sidebar is activated it's overlapping the page, but this could also be a problem only on my device. And I'm sorry for my bad english, ever since I begun to work, I used it less and less, and now I'm unsure that it is understandable or not. — SurelNuva (Talk) 11:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback! I think I'll disable the mobile view then. When you say the sidebar is overlapping the page, do you mean it completely blocks the page so you can only see the sidebar? The sidebar is supposed to cover the left part of the page and leave the right part visible. Then you can tap the right part to close the sidebar. I can mess with the CSS if the sidebar isn't working correctly. Also your English is very understandable, don't worry! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Also, what do think of the book citations on Tahu (Generation 1)? They should appear when you hover over them on a computer or tap them on a mobile device. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Oh, don't worry. I meant it covered the half page, and it didn't want to leave, but apparently it seems like I only had connection problems, for now it works fine. With the sidebar, I noticed when the hungarian language was chosen, there was a 'BIONICLEsector01' subscription over the icon and the 'BS01 Wiki' script. I made a screenshot, but this problem resolves itself when I switch the language to english in the preferences. Other than that I have no problem with this.
I saw it, and I like the way how the information is hidden, but my problem is the long list of references in the end of the page. I know, I know, on most of the wikis retains that same method, but if we could merge the two, the hidden script, and the outside citations (like the BookCitation & co.), it would be pretty nice. We would have organized pages, with "hidden" sources, (as I assume the Lein page will have the same fate and it only has citations no other sources iirc) we wouldn't have a half-page list of references. :) — SurelNuva (Talk) 20:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Cool, glad it's working now. And thanks for pointing that bug out. I'll look into it. As for the references section, we could do something like Wookieepedia where the References section is small and you scroll through it. What do you (and others) think? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
It works on PC, and maybe here it would work on desktop mode. But on the mobile Wookieepedia page, it's just a very long list. Maybe because it runs on a different server and don't have and adapting desktop version I guess? — SurelNuva (Talk) 21:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah I didn't check on mobile, sorry. Yeah Wikia has a separate mobile site, which is probably why it didn't show up for you. I've set up a demo for small screens on Tahu (Generation 1). Also, the logo issue should be resolved now. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 23:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I like it, at first I didn't even notice it while I checked the bottom of the page. And yes, the logo issue is solved, thanks.— SurelNuva (Talk) 07:01, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

I need help on HS01

Hey, I've been updating quite a lot on HS01 wiki, but I need help on how to insert images into a few new pages. The pages I'm trying to create are for that of Splitface's Weapons, The Poison Plasma Gun and the Shredding Claw. -User: Kota9999

Do we have images of the weapons on the wiki? — SurelNuva (Talk) 09:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)