User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow

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Hey, I was just revisiting the place and see the splash page, Refreshed skin, and quite a few other things have come a long way since I last saw. Looks great! I had previously had my first splash page hosted on my personal GitHub, and since I can see you've put a lot of work into it I went ahead and updated the Git repository for it to reflect the newest revisions. I also went ahead and took it off of my personal GitHub and made a BIONICLEsector01 organization,, which I believe I sent you an invite to so you can contribute to that. I also made an update script to keep the Git in sync with the production server, which can be run from SSH by simply running ~/ (from Swert's SSH account, I don't know if you might have a separate SSH account on this server, if so let me know and I'll fix that). Hopefully using Git will be a convenience and a "safety" feature, so none of your work gets irreversibly broken or lost because of server issues (*cough* HS01). If there's any questions or you need anything related to the GitHub account let me know. I'll probably set you to have full access to everything on it once you join the organization, that way you can mess with it on your own and have full control. Keep up the good work though, loving what you've done with the stuff here. :) --Meiko (talk) 01:24, 14 August 2017 (CET)

Hey what's up, it's been a while! Thanks for setting this all up, I just joined. I use Swert's SSH account, yep. Glad you like it! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 02:21, 14 August 2017 (CET)

Era... again

So, the original Era template had an icon for non-canon and semi canon media, but the neither of the separated G1-G2 Eras have these. They're just floating on the left corner under the title on the pages, which sometimes a bit irritating (for me), can't you just fix it somehow? Such as merging with the separated categories or adding the NC-SC for both, or I don't really know. — SurelNuva (Talk) 08:43, 21 August 2017 (CET)

Replace those with Template:NCSC. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 18:00, 21 August 2017 (CET)


The <videoflash> doesn't work. — SurelNuva (Talk) 22:21, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

It's being phased out in favor of EmbedVideo. A cheap way to use it now is like so:

<youtube>[VIDEO ID]</youtube>

Perhaps that's the next step is to fix that? :P Also, to adjust videos, see here --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)
I've just noticed that the <videoflash> doesn't work when I edited the BIONICLE Battle Videos page. How about the video's size? I've tried to change the videoflash to youtube, but the result is too large, I don't want to save it, please try it. — SurelNuva (Talk) 22:57, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Meiko removed VideoFlash as it is very out of date. Swert's method works, but I think the format mentioned here allows more customization:


Gives you this:

-- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 02:14, 23 August 2017 (CET)

... Why, Morris? ;_; --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)

Can we upload the videos to or wiki? Such as the commercials and character videos. It would be safer if the videos would be native like the Building Instructions, not linked from YouTube, where (as y'all know) can be deleted over the time. From BMP I could download some of the videos, but I don't really know if I can upload them here and they would work or not. — SurelNuva (Talk) 12:04, 16 September 2017 (CET)

i think we should. but we have to make sure we're getting the original videos, not stuff that people uploaded to youtube that may have been altered in any way. Intelligence4 (talk) 21:53, 16 September 2017 (CET)
From BioMedia Project, I could download some of the original videos, and there are at east 2 YouTube channels which have the original videos, I have checked them. But I don't know what format the video should be uploaded (mp4, avi etc.) what the wiki can use, and if the video did even work as a native one, not an external link. — SurelNuva (Talk) 22:04, 16 September 2017 (CET)

mah-TOW - mah-TAOW

Doesn't the same rule what you said go to the "Hau," "Komau," and the other pronunciations ending with "OW" in the BEU? WE could change it like how it's in the Garai's page and include the BEU page number. But I think the old pronunciations may came from the Official Guide. I'll buy the Hungarian edition, but it won't match with the English one. The pronunciations are the same, but how they're written is not. — SurelNuva (Talk) 15:06, 29 August 2017 (CET)

Only for ones like TOW, ROW, or MOW where the "ow" sound in those words actually makes the OH sound rather than the desired OW sound. HOW is fine since the word "how" is pronounced like "hau," as desired. Citations work, sure. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 21:18, 30 August 2017 (CET)

log out timer... again

in reference to the section that was archived... it's still happening a few weeks later. i'm getting logged out after some time on the site for no immediately apparent reason. Intelligence4 (talk) 20:32, 29 August 2017 (CET)

Huh. I'll bring this up with other staff, but I'm afraid I don't know what the cause is or what the solution would be (and I doubt I'll have time to look into it in the near future). -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 21:18, 30 August 2017 (CET)
sounds good. just wanted to make sure someone knows about it :) Intelligence4 (talk) 02:10, 5 September 2017 (CET)
i know you guys probably haven't had much time to look into this, but i just wanted to provide an update and say that the logout timer issue is still happening from time to time. Intelligence4 (talk) 22:55, 23 September 2017 (CET)
Afraid not, but thanks for keeping us updated. Actually are you being completely logged out, or is it just saying you waited too long to edit and need to reload? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 07:46, 24 September 2017 (CET)
it makes me type in my password again, but not my username. that said, i think i have the "remember me" thing checked; it looks like i'm being totally logged out. i only use this site in an incognito window, if that means anything.
anyway, there isn't any sort of message that i waited too long and need to log in again, the page simply displays as though i'm logged out, and i have to go click on the log in thing and reenter my password. if this is, on the back-end, a waited-too-long issue, then it's not working as intended, since it happens well within a few minutes of the last time i edited something else or entered my password. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:20, 28 September 2017 (CET)

It's the Incognito browser. That one doesn't store cookies, so every time you close the browser it doesn't save the fact that you log in. -- Dorek Talk External Image 06:50, 28 September 2017 (CET)

@Intelligence4 did you get this warning when you get logged out?
"Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data.
You might have been logged out. Please verify that you're still logged in and try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in, and check that your browser allows cookies from this site."
-- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 21:50, 1 October 2017 (CET)
Sometimes I get this message. But the system does not log me out, only this script indicates that. I've been logged in on my computer for months and got this message 3 times I guess, but haven't been logged out, nor did the system logged me out. It just appeared. — SurelNuva (Talk) 22:00, 1 October 2017 (CET)
Just tried fixing this, but I don't know if the fix worked. @anyone Are you still being logged out? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 08:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
I've never actually got logged out. I've got the message sometimes, after I made changes on 10+ pages, but I was till logged in. For me it wasn't a problem, because I never got to log in. :D But haven't got this message for a while. — SurelNuva (Talk) 09:32, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

sorry i've been away for so long... @dorek the issue actually isn't when i close my browswer - it's when i still have an active session running. @mtmnc i don't think i've gotten that message. it simply shows the page as though i was never logged in in the first place. since this is my first edit after being back, i'll come back to this and let you know if i get anything as i work my way though my watchlist. Intelligence4 (talk) 21:27, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Uploads... no uploads.

After spending an embarrassingly long time looking for the upload button that I knew was there before, I realized that uploads were restricted so the button has disappeared. Do you know why, and more importantly when they will be working again?--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 01:16, 1 September 2017 (CET)

Fixed. Sorry about that. We disabled uploads it to prepare for some backend work, but people's schedules haven't synced up to finish it yet. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 09:23, 2 September 2017 (CET)
No problem. Thanks.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 22:32, 2 September 2017 (CET)


So I made a typo in Kirop's instructions... I've uploaded the same file with the corrected name, so would you be so kind to delete File:8949 Instructions.pdf file? Thanks! — SurelNuva (Talk) 12:26, 2 September 2017 (CET)

Okay I accidentally inserted the good file without typo for deletion. My bad, I'm so sorry. So could you rename this file : File:8949 Insturctions.pdf into 8949 Instructions.pdf, please? — SurelNuva (Talk) 07:33, 3 September 2017 (CET)
All good, I should have caught that myself haha. Done. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 08:29, 3 September 2017 (CET)
Thanks! By the way, how could I re-size the external images? I usually upload large images to Brickshelf and it would take too many space on my User-page, but the 'thumbs' are just too small. — SurelNuva (Talk) 00:09, 9 September 2017 (CET)

Unfortunately I'm not sure you can. BS01's home-built extension may have that functionality, but I'm not sure it does, and the extension is quite out-of-date anyway. You should upload a copy that's the right size and embed that instead. (Haha by the way I hope you don't think BS01 is BS--look it up :P) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 05:55, 9 September 2017 (CET)

I don't think I ever uploaded anything to BS01 what I wanted to upload to BS or vica-versa. :D — SurelNuva (Talk) 12:09, 9 September 2017 (CET)
what...what's bs? looking that one up only sends me to urban dictionary. Intelligence4 (talk) 07:40, 16 September 2017 (CET)
Urban Dictionary's right. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 08:48, 16 September 2017 (CET)
It was meant to be "Brickshelf." — SurelNuva (Talk) 09:28, 16 September 2017 (CET)


My last edit's summary is wrong, not the whole page name is the shortcut, only the script after the "Set:", so I think I did it correctly... or didn't I? — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:07, 16 September 2017 (CET)

Also, there will be some edits on the set pages after all, I had to edit the BI links on some pages, and have to add the EraG1 to them, I've added the EraG2 to the Generation 2 sets, so some massive edits cannot be avoided, unfortunately. — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:21, 16 September 2017 (CET)
Maybe we should make every "number-pages" as redirects/shortcuts for the sets, and after add the shortcut to the template. I added it, made the "8689" page as the shortcut for "Set:8689", but the shortcut (8689) appeared to be a red-link after the creation of the page (8689) on the "Set:8689" page. So I had to remove the shortcut from the Template:Set and re-add it to make this correct. Would I remove the shortcut parameter from the Template:Set until every "number" page will be made and after this re-add the parameter or what should I do? (Hope, you understand, this might be confusing even from me)SurelNuva (Talk) 21:59, 16 September 2017 (CET)

BS01's MediaWiki "Images" extension

Hey MtMNC! I wasn't sure who to best talk to about this (it said the author was User:Swert, and User:Meiko imported the files), but I'm asking you since you're the only public member on the BS01 GitHub group. Would you mind if I opened a pull request to the extension along with a code+review? I have some improvements I'd like to share the codebase, which would be:

  • Updating extension registry (use extension.json, provide a very-temporary back-compatible PHP entry point, then have someone load the extension via wfLoadExension( 'Images' ); in this wiki's local setting so that the PHP entry point can be deleted in a follow-up patch)
  • Avoiding global using the ParserFirstCallInit hook
  • Code styling to adhere to conventions

I also have some ideas on how to improve the arguments logic, although I need to do some thinking first on how to make the new logic backward-compatible since it'd allow those attributes written just like how HTML5 attributes are written, so stuff doesn't break. That would be in a patch separate from the other patch- if you think that the new sytnax proposal is more suited for the community portal or something, let me know and I'll put it there instead. Thanks!

SamanthaNguyen (talk) 20:35, 18 September 2017 (CET)

Yeah that'd be fine. Thanks for being willing to take that on! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 15:55, 19 September 2017 (CET)

Separated by series

I made an edit on the Toa Seal page, separating the books by their series in the Appearances subsection's Books' column. I think it would work on that way, it's much shorter, but their collective names redirects you to the series' main article,(e.g. the "Adventures" to the "BIONICLE Adventures" page) and the "#[number in the series] [book's main title]" redirects you to the book's article.(e.g. the "#2 Trial by Fire" to the "BIONICLE Adventures 2: Trial by Fire" page). My question is that may I edit the other pages too, or re-edit this page again, because it's not a good idea? — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:31, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Although the question is for Morris, I thought I'd give my opinion on the new format, if it doesn't bother you. I'd say that, while it certainly doesn't look bad, I feel like it's a bit impractical to always have to rewrite the hyperlink instead of just typing in the title of the book. Maybe we could still divide the novels by series and keep the original titles of the individual books, but that might be a little redundant. Either way, I also think that we should specify the fact that they are novels, so either we could keep the usual subdivision and use the book series as a further subsubdivision, or we could separate novels from guide books in a column of their own. That's just my two cents on this. ~OnionShark 19:54, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Interesting ideas. I see the appeal, but I'm not sure they're worth hundreds of edits. Maybe if/when we ever need to make other changes to the appearances, we could also change the way we handle book titles? (Also Dorek and Swert may want to weigh in on this one.) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 08:19, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Don't we still have a bot for that kind of thing? =P
I'm not a huge fan, personally. I like the way it looks now a lot better, since we already have to make a number of subdivisions as it is. -- Dorek Talk External Image 18:34, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

The Wayback Machine script

Hello there! I remember you had a script which can massively save URLs to the Wayback Machine. It would be great if you could save the entire BS01 and maybe even the Greg Farshtey Archives. --External Image 17:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi! The script relies on incrementing page numbers in the URL, so I'm afraid it wouldn't work for BS01. (Scripts that can crawl BS01 do exist though, it'll just take some searching to find one.) That said I think I can easily modify the current script to archive the Greg archives since those URLs have page numbers. I'll hop on that. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:33, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
All the Greg archives should be backed up on now. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 03:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Little help on HS01

So, I tried to update the site with the infoboxes at first, And there were no problem with them, but I met with the HeroInfo Template, what I want to replace with an updated Hero Template. But the latest version fot he Hero Template does this. I only wanted to make subtabs for the 1.0, the 3.0 and the Brain Attack tabs, what I managed to do - or I hope so - but the infobox doesn't look like Hahli's or Jaller's, as you can see. What did I miss in the template? The other templates what I updated are working nicely, except that they don't wanna use the "infoLight" or "infoDark" classes, except that, they're working well. — SurelNuva (Talk) 20:19, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm probably not going to have time to work on this for a while. Either way, the code that makes infobox tabs work is outdated on HS01, but I can't update it since I'm not a staff member there, so it's best not to change HS01's infoboxes yet. I'd recommend bringing up redesign ideas with Dorek. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:31, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! I'll copy this section to Dorek's talkpage. — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:42, 11 November 2017 (UTC)


Given some of the recent news surrounding digital security, i really think we need to accelerate our move to https. having a non-secure connection simply isn't good enough anymore. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:10, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the very late response! This is something we've been talking a good deal about behind-the-scenes. We know what steps are needed, we just need to do them. Personally I'd like it done by the new year (hopefully just saying that will get the ball rolling...). -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
I mean, I'm in for it, but my opinion never matters :( -- Dorek Talk External Image 04:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
given my own response-latency, yours isn't a problem at all morris. :) Nice work to whoever btw, i was very happy to see the notice at the top of the site about https when i logged in. i wish i could be of more help around here, but alas, it's not meant to be. I agree with your timeline - https by 2018 is a good goal to shoot for! Intelligence4 (talk) 23:26, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
logged in and WE'RE ON HTTPS! nice work peoplewhowereresponsibleforthat! i wish i could have been more helpful, but alas it's done. yay! Intelligence4 (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

What’s an Idly?

What is and idly? User:Kota9999 Kota9999 (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

"Idly" is the adverb form of "idle." Specifically, in the original quote Greg said that the idea of making Ahkmou a shadow Toa was "thrown out idly in a story meeting." There "idly" means somebody proposed the idea casually without putting too much thought into it. We know the idea was never explored very seriously because by Greg's own admission, "It never went far enough to be a 'plan.'" -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:03, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Oh Kota9999 (talk) 05:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Little help... again

Umm, could you help me? How can I insert my images from flickr to BS01? — SurelNuva (Talk) 17:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

First go to the image you want to use. Below the image on the right-hand side of the page there should be a button with a down arrow pointing to a horizontal line. (It's to the left of the enlarge button.) Click that button. That should open a dropdown. Click the last option in the dropdown, "View all sizes." That will take you to a page where you can pick the size of the image that you want to embed. Once you've picked a size, right click on the image and get its URL. Then use that URL to embed the image. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 18:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you so much! — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
My Brickshelf pictures/thumbnails remained intact after the site's transfer to HTTPS. Should I replace them? — SurelNuva (Talk) 08:28, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes please. We want to be able to load all images, etc. securely, but we can't load Brickshelf images securely. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:34, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Right/Left hand Matoran

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in any book, I doubt it. It originates from MNOG. The first to be mentioned to be a "special aide" was Onepu, when first encountered in MNOG. When first encountered, Tamaru states himself to be "Matau's best!" not sure if this is the tree-speak version... When you start to assemble the Chronicler's Company, Vakama says "Of my left and right hands, Jala should remain here to command his Guard and defend Ta-Koro. My left hand is Kapura, who is with you now." Kopeke and Hafu are stated to be the left hand of their respective Turaga, while Maku is stated to be the right hand of Nokama. Though not explicitely stated, one can assume Matoro, Huki, Onepu and Kongu to be the right hand of their respective Turaga, while Kotu, Tamaru and Taipu would be the left. With the exception of Matau, because you don't speak to him, and Nuju, because he is talking through Matoro, all the Turaga suggest both of their supposed aides. Not sure if this was to any help to answer up your question ~ Wolk (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

On the original website Kapura's bios section mentions that "Vakama has great confidence in the odd little Matoran and has appointed him to stand at his left side." and Jaller's, Hewkii's too. — SurelNuva (Talk) 07:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Now that you bring it up, it also states Onepu and Matoro to be the right hand of their Turaga. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Nice, thanks for the info! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
what brought this up? Intelligence4 (talk) 22:34, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
IIRC I was rewriting the Mahri pages and noticed some of the infoboxes didn't mention they were left/right hands. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 08:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I wouldn't have even thought of that haha. I totally forgot about that aspect of the earlier years. I just clicked on matoro's bio thingie that was linked above, and it says he has a deep and booming voice. I definitely didn't imagine him sounding like that lol. Intelligence4 (talk) 06:57, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Piraka "Kaita" Instructions

So now, I presumably completed my Piraka sets enough to made up the instructions for both of the Korean Piraka Kaita models. May I make a pair of "Building steps" for them on the same way as I did for Krahka and upload them here as their respective Building Instructions? (I say presumably for there are some missing pieces from them, but judging by the models/pictures, I have every pieces to build them up)SurelNuva (Talk) 08:29, 22 January 2018 (UTC) — SurelNuva (Talk) 08:29, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I think that'd be fine so long as we can't find the real instructions and we make it clear they're not official. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 08:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Little Help

Hey Morris! I could use a little help with the Destral Cycle set page. Name is Set:8942 (Alternate Model), however, all other alternate model pages are titled set:# (Alternate). Couldyou move it to the correct name? Thanks. :) --~ Wolk (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

No, he can't the Set:8942 (Alternate) is the limited edition Jetrax T6's page :) — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Oh... Is it possible we can find an alternative name for the special edition (the reason to the exception)? Like set:8942 (Limited Edition). --~ Wolk (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


Hey, I was kinda wondering this but do you know what happened to the user, Bold Clone? (user: Kota9999) Kota9999 (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Documentation of CwGF

I noticed on the in your sandbox page for documentation that there is no method for citing the LEGO Message Boards Chat with Greg Farshtey topic. Is it possible that this could be added? ~ Wolk (talk) 05:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Oops, should be working now on Template:GregCitation. Thanks for catching that! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 16:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

new site appearance

it looks pretty good! was that a decision the staff made, or was it a change based on some upstream changes? Intelligence4 (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! We've been working on and off (mostly off :P) on it for over a year now. Swert decided it was time to make the switch. Actually, one of the nice things about Refreshed is that BS01 will drive upstream changes (in part), rather than the other way around, since unlike MonoBook, Refreshed is mostly developed by members of the Lego community. Also, the layout isn't done yet. You can copy/paste the CSS from User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow/refreshed.css into User:Intelligence4/refreshed.css so see what's in the pipeline. Any feedback is much appreciated! -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
You can also add mw.loader.load( '/w/index.php?title=User:Morris_the_Mata_Nui_Cow/refreshed.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css', 'text/css' ); to your user JS page so that MtMNC's changes stay up to date for you and ensure that the current code doesn't cause any conflict down the road once these changes are implemented into the local skin customization. :) --Meiko (talk) 20:54, 15 July 2018 (UTC)