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:The stats indicate otherwise; the main page isn't super utilized in its current form, especially with a lack of maintenance. A wiki might not be Google, but it is a wiki; this is inspired more by Wikipedia's landing page than anything else. It's obviously not final, either, and there will be various and sundry links at some point or another. And I'm not getting rid of the main page (though I will revise it to remove a lot of the "featured" stuff if we're going to include something like that on the landing page), so people can keep their pants on about that. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  05:43, 27 April 2016 (CET)
:The stats indicate otherwise; the main page isn't super utilized in its current form, especially with a lack of maintenance. A wiki might not be Google, but it is a wiki; this is inspired more by Wikipedia's landing page than anything else. It's obviously not final, either, and there will be various and sundry links at some point or another. And I'm not getting rid of the main page (though I will revise it to remove a lot of the "featured" stuff if we're going to include something like that on the landing page), so people can keep their pants on about that. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  05:43, 27 April 2016 (CET)
::At the very least a direct link to your user page and recent changes would be nice.
::For what it's worth, the examples of the random backgrounds and learn more links are pretty cool. --[[User:Electric Turahk|<span style="color:#000099;">~<span style="color:silver;">|</span>RC<span style="color:silver;">|</span>~</span>]]<span style="color:silver;"> <sup>([[User talk:Electric Turahk|<span style="color:#000099;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Electric Turahk|<span style="color:#000099;">'''Contribs'''</span>]])</sub></span>

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I created the Kulta page, and I was wondering if I did a good job or not? Toa Green Ninja - Bearer of the Mask of Spinjitzu (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2015 (CEST)

Just perfect! I'd probably add in a "coming soon" descriptor to the empty parts, and I'll add in the set box later, but everything else is awesome. -- Dorek Talk External Image 20:15, 2 July 2015 (CEST)
Alright, how are my edits and uploads looking right now? Toa Green Ninja - Bearer of the Mask of Spinjitzu (talk) 20:05, 4 July 2015 (CEST)
Just fine. I think the box images might be able to get a bit larger, since KZ already uploaded them, but his are also a bit cut off, so I'll figure that out later. -- Dorek Talk External Image 20:09, 4 July 2015 (CEST)

Combiner Page/Subpage

I've been working on a page (or maybe a subpage for Sets) for all the combiners and alternate models in my sandbox. What do you think? If you've got any suggestions for formatting changes or things to add or whatever, I can try to work on that, but otherwise, the page is probably about ready to go up in a partial form (or I could finish it in my sandbox, either way). Where were you thinking it could go? --Volitak Boxor (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2015 (CEST)

I was thinking a subpage for sets. "Sets/Combiners and Alternate Models", since two slashes is just asking for trouble. Probably need to change the gallery page name, but that's okay. -- Dorek Talk External Image 18:21, 11 July 2015 (CEST)


For what it's worth I didn't intend for the (proposed) page to sound fanboyish, I was just going off of what Furst and others said in interviews. Though I will admit I enjoy Furst's work. :p TheSkeletonMan939 (talk)

Haha, s'all good, just needs to come from a slightly more neutral perspective. I can always be the one to do that. -- Dorek Talk External Image 22:02, 1 September 2015 (CEST)

Deleting My Other Account

Thanks for taking care of that :P Sorry for any inconvenience. -- External Image Speak to Me 00:30, 12 October 2015 (CEST)

Trivia for The Powers That Be

Hi dorek i found this reference (Chat with Greg Farshtey, 29. September 2014) and i don't know if i can put it in a new trivia section for the powers that be because i think it is very interesting that the cursed great being has escaped and that greg wasn't going to kill all those characters --Mata nui avunaka (talk) 16:10, 4 December 2015 (CET)

I'd say the first bit about him not going to kill off the characters isn't super noteworthy... we know it was part of Velika's plan to, but the story would obviously dictate otherwise. But you can add the bit about the Cursed GB escaping to his page, definitely! -- Dorek Talk External Image 20:09, 4 December 2015 (CET)

Bot edits

Dunno if it's been intended, but all your edits for the past week or so have been marked as bot.... -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 21:02, 23 December 2015 (CET)

It's intentional =P. -- Dorek Talk External Image 00:17, 24 December 2015 (CET)


Hey, if you wanna talk to an Internet Stranger, feel free to hmu (BZP?). Or if not I totally understand, you don't have to explain/justify it, but talk to someone. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:51, 16 January 2016 (CET)

Haha, appreciate it. I've got friends and a good support network. Still functional, mostly just wallowing at this point. I'll get better, but it's pretty fresh, is all. -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:03, 16 January 2016 (CET)
Alright good to hear. Offer still stands :) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 08:09, 17 January 2016 (CET)

7216 Gold Good Guy File

Hello, sorry for reuploading the file of the "Turaga Lhikan" set. I know about both pictures, but I actually don't think the previous one it's a prototype or an official image, though it may be. The other image I know it's official and it's a good quality, but I've also seen some photographs like this one on the wiki, such as in the Sets page, and some images as I know only exist in said type of format. So I'd like to talk with you to find out which is the original set. Thanks :) --BIONICLE 4EVER (talk) 05:23, 24 January 2016 (CET)

We try and avoid using actual photos as much as possible, only when necessary. The first does appear to be a prototype or earlier render (the set number isn't present), but it's generally better than an actual photo. I'll undelete the other one though, as there's room for both. -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:07, 25 January 2016 (CET)

2016 Storyline

Hey there, I have a question; is there a place here or in a similar, near chat/forum/site where I can ask about the 2016 storyline? --BIONICLE 4EVER (talk) 04:32, 7 February 2016 (CET)

We do have a chat function, but in terms of forums and the like, there's places like BZPower, Eurobricks, and TTV.
Of course, if you have specific questions, our super knowledgeable staff members are always willing to answer =P. -- Dorek Talk External Image 08:48, 7 February 2016 (CET)


I know uploads were disabled due to all the spam and vandalism that was going on a little while ago. Do you know if uploading files will be re-enabled anytime soon? There's a bunch of set instruction pdfs I'd like to add. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 22:52, 18 February 2016 (CET)

I'll ask Swert! If all else fails, email him so he can do some work =D -- Dorek Talk External Image 07:36, 19 February 2016 (CET)
I was about to ask that as well. I have some images that would do well in Gallery:Kanohi. Also, how would you feel about uploading a bunch of prototype pix, especially for the Phantoka, which were featured in Battle for Power? -- Great Jala Cthulhu fhtagn 07:40, 29 February 2016 (CET)


Okay, so my prototype project has gotten kind of out of hand. Eddy Gould has been uploading a bunch of "proto" images, most of which are either not actually prototypes, or are copies of images we already have. -- Great Jala Cthulhu fhtagn 15:18, 7 March 2016 (CET)

EDIT: Or from questionable sources. -- Great Jala Cthulhu fhtagn 15:29, 7 March 2016 (CET)

If you could mark down which ones are duplicates and leaks for me, that'd be great. Ideally our software is supposed to catch some of those, but apparently not.
I'm not opposed to the concept, we just need to keep the usual guidelines in place. -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:12, 7 March 2016 (CET)

About the leaks

How the leak can be determined? I know if the picture has "confidential" watermark it's obviously the leak. But what about magazine pictures? Are they considered as leaks? --External Image 19:31, 7 March 2016 (CET)

Some of it will just be people remembering from back in the day, but basically any retail catalog pic that has an old version is unlikely to be intended for wide release. -- Dorek Talk External Image 20:49, 7 March 2016 (CET)
So, this is what need to be deleted:
  • all 2009 in the gallery
  • Inferno-PrototypeCover.jpg
  • DarkDestiny-PrototypeCover.jpg
  • all 2007 except "Barraki" in the gallery
  • Protovelika.jpg
  • Protopiruk.jpg
  • Protokazi.jpg
  • Protodalu.jpg
  • Protobalta.jpg
  • Proto garan.jpg
  • Prototype-Morak.jpg
  • Prototype-Dekar.jpg

--External Image 22:47, 7 March 2016 (CET)

I'm sorry if I overreacted before. Guess I should do some research before I open my mouth. :/ Good work, Eddy. -- Great Jala Cthulhu fhtagn 23:43, 7 March 2016 (CET)
No problem, Jala! Anyway, we can add ALL prototypes to Brickipedia soon. Would you like to help me, when we will finish the work here? --External Image 00:28, 8 March 2016 (CET)
Another question about catalogs/magazines: some of them may be unofficial, since that information coming not from the LEGO directly. Can they be considered as the leaks? In short, we need the direct answer - should we add the catalogs/magazines prototypes or not? --External Image 20:11, 8 March 2016 (CET)

Possible Dupe

User:The Aimless Wanderer1 I think is a dupe of User:The Aimless Wanderer. --Vartemp Talk 20:38, 14 March 2016 (CET)

Depressed? :O

I'm sorry, man. I've been there and it's awful. -- 3.14159265359 Shall I continue? 05:52, 15 March 2016 (CET)

FWD: Set Categories

I made all the set categories I proposed in AFC. I also made the Large Sets category, which I didn't realize I forgot to nominate until after I made it. I realize now that with G2 there are medium sets. Can I just go ahead and make a Medium Sets category? I figured in this case, I could probably skip AFC since the others passed, but I wanted to ask just in case.

I asked Zo;Tomana, and he said I should ask you. -- Toa Jala Converse 16:47, 22 March 2016 (CET)

Or is a medium set basically the same as a canister set? -- Toa Jala Converse 19:10, 22 March 2016 (CET)
The canister sets just a subcategory of the medium sets. -- Surel-nuva (talk) 19:52, 22 March 2016 (CET)

Toa Hagah: General or Specific?

In the hopes of avoiding an edit war, I call on you to resolve a minor dispute about the Toa Hagah page. As you can see on the page's edit history, Intelligence4 and I have been going back and forth on whether Norik's team's goal of freeing the Toa Mahri should be listed on the page and/or denoted as a goal specific to a single team. Intelligence4's stance (correct me if I'm wrong) is that this is a page for all teams of Toa Hagah, and so any information about Norik's team should be denoted as such. I feel the opposite way -- the vast majority of information on the page refers to Norik's team, so I think listing Norik's team's goals is self-explanatory and doesn't need any clarifying details. The information on the page about other Toa Hagah teams is the exception, rather than the rule. We haven't found a compromise that satisfies either party, so I must ask -- what is your ruling, O great and mighty Dorek? --Angel Bob (talk) 00:11, 5 April 2016 (CEST)

Why can't I have it allllll.
The problem is that if it were to be about Norik's team, it would have to be divested from the concept at large. It would have to be "Toa Hagah (Teridax)" or something equally loathsome, which is ridiculous since we never saw any other teams.
So, for the most part, it's fine to keep the focus on Norik's team while also noting where there were other teams. For instance, the main blurb talks about the other teams and narrows down to Norik's team, which is fine, but then the history section immediately launches into talking about Norik's team with no other mention of others, so that's a bit confusing to read (was it always like that?). So that could probably stand some tweaking.
ALTERNATIVELY and I just came up with this but maybe keep the title, narrow the focus entirely to Norik's team, add a youmay template or something similar saying "this is about the Toa Hagah that appeared in the story, for more information on the concept overall, see Other Toa#Toa Hagah" and then actually make a section on Other Toa about the Hagah. -- Dorek Talk External Image 03:08, 5 April 2016 (CEST)
A problem here is that, yeah, there were a bunch of other Toa Hagah teams... and then they all got killed except for Norik's team. So any page about the entirety of the Toa Hagah will end up being... well... only about Norik's team. So the goal of Norik's team is the goal of ALL the Toa Hagah... because they ARE all of the Toa Hagah that are left. Tweaking of the History to reflect that there were other teams may be in order, but the current goal of Norik's team does in fact reflect the goal of every Toa Hagah, since there are only six left to begin with. ζoxHistories External Image
Just saw this after logging in, haven't been on in a while. I agree with what Dorek said - making the page name "toa hagah(teridax)" would be horrible, and we have so little information on the others that making a separate page for them would be ridiculous. So considering the page as a whole would be about all Hagah, the infobox for the page would have to reflect that, with any other goals that specific teams took on needing a notation that it wasn't all hagah teams. since our pages are generally pretty exhaustive, all the history and information of norik's team would be able to stay on the page as is - after the other groups of hagah were killed off, (which the page says) then the reader can understand what's going on, as norik's team are still hagah after all.
Another idea i just thought of is we could make the infobox split like we have for various characters. (i.e. on any of the toa mata's page we have an infobox that shows their mata/nuva/adaptive forms depending on what you click). we could to the same thing for the hagah, and put the information about norik's team specifically under another one of those things that i can't think of the name for.
Just to clarify, I think that most, if not all, of the information on the page itself is good as is (or was... i haven't looked at it yet). since it says that the others were killed off, the reader understands why the page shifted focus from all hagah to norik's team.
I think that just about covers it...?Intelligence4 (talk) 20:46, 6 April 2016 (CET)

To bring this back to the specific matter at hand: Intelligence4 added (Norik's team only) after the template listed goal "Save the Toa Mahri". I don't think that's necessary, and I'd like to remove it. What do other people think? Keep it or delete it? --Angel Bob (talk) 21:52, 9 April 2016 (CET)

I think we should keep it (duh, it's my edit haha). Since the page is about the hagah in general, the infobox should reflect that, and rescuing the mahri was specifically norik's team's mission, not all the hagah.
Neither was "Find Teridax", but that doesn't have a (Norik's team) tag. For that matter, not all the Toa Hagah were formerly based in Metru Nui. Norik isn't the leader of all Toa Hagah ever, and Bomonga isn't the deputy. Keetongu, the Toa Metru, and the Order of Mata Nui weren't allied with all the Toa Hagah. Not all the Toa Hagah opposed the Brotherhood of Makuta and the Visorak. If we tried to make the infobox apply to all Toa Hagah, we'd have to put (Norik's team) after every single one of these items. That is simply unnecessary. Readers have enough common sense to figure out that the infobox refers to Norik's team -- the only team of Toa Hagah we ever saw in action. They're not going to be confused. --Angel Bob (talk) 17:26, 12 April 2016 (CET)

Light? (continued from Talk:Laser Vision)

But can Sonics users emit sound blasts from their mouths? Because every creature with a sonic scream/shriek/roar is listed as a Sonics user. -- Toa Jala Order a Sig! 04:20, 7 April 2016 (CET)

It's an interesting difference, because technically (as far as we've been told) a Toa wouldn't be able to do it at all, and since Toa are the only ones who have access to Elemental Powers, can anything (such as, but not limited to, Power Scream) truly be considered a "sub-power" if it's not something they can do?
We've made the distinction before (Kazi's Echo Forks used to link to Sonics until it was decided that was stupid, though it's still mentioned on the Sonics page), so I could be pro removing some of these mentions that aren't necessarily specific to the element. But, by that same token, it would probably require making the distinction between (example) Sonics as a Power vs Sonics as an Element, which is such an unnecessary and overcomplicated quagmire that's best left to places like BZP to bicker about.
Either way we slice it Laser Vision isn't going to be a sub-power of Light because it's just vastly overthinking it. -- Dorek Talk External Image 09:32, 7 April 2016 (CET)
Laser vision's weird that way :P and not just in BIONICLE. Okie dokie then. -- Toa Jala Converse 06:46, 11 April 2016 (CET)

Your Kingdom Velika Theory...

I stumbled upon your theory regarding The Kingdom alt. universe on another user's talk page (I don't remember whose). It was the one about how that Velika wasn't a GB and that was why Mata Nui died. I thought it was brilliant, so I put it under my "Theories" section on my UP (with credit to you, of course :)). Funny thing, though - Eddy saw it there and asked Greg about it.


It's not a yes. Definitely not a yes. But it's not a no, either. ;) Anyway, that happened. I thought you should know.

-- Toa Jala Converse 05:56, 25 April 2016 (CET) - EDITED: 06:18, 25 April 2016 (CET)

Haha, well, Velika wasn't originally planned then either, so I'm sticking with it. -- Dorek Talk External Image
Ooh, now I'm curious. What about Velika wasn't originally planned? -- Toa Jala Converse 06:08, 27 April 2016 (CET)
I mean, I'm assuming he wasn't originally intended to be a GB, though I could be wrong. -- Dorek Talk External Image 06:19, 27 April 2016 (CET)
I've often wondered how long Greg had been planning that, although I seem to recall a discussion in 2010 in which fans made suggestions regarding who it should be. So yeah, I'm sticking with it, too. -- Toa Jala Converse 06:42, 27 April 2016 (CET)

Splash page ideas

I had a couple of ideas for the splash page... you can see a concept here.

  • The background image could be picked randomly from a list, and the "learn about" link at the bottom would correspond to the image. This means the background image and link text would be different on every page load. The page could actually pull that list from a protected wiki page (BIONICLEsector01:SplashImages for example) so sysops could easily add images. Not implemented yet, but the example shows how it might work for the Barraki article.
  • Suggestions when you start typing. Wikipedia has a way of doing that already on its splash page, it might be possible to modify it for BS01. No promises though.

So yeah. What are your thoughts? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:12, 25 April 2016 (CET)

Edit: Oh also, the slogan would be written in Goudy Trajan like the logo is. That requires loading the font from biosector01.com, which I don't want to do since the concept page isn't actually hosted on biosector01.com currently. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:20, 25 April 2016 (CET)

I like the idea, but I wouldn't make the whole image the background, personally. Just a thumbnail of some kind. -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:39, 26 April 2016 (CET)
Actually, I can dig the full page aspect, reminds me of Bing's front page.
I support this direction, but can we see more examples of how it'd look "randomized"? --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)
Here are a few more: Karda Nui, Roxtus, Vezon. If you think thumbnails would be better, I can try to figure something out with them instead. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2016 (CET)
Is there a way to make it so that nothing is featured? Even if we create a huge list, it'll start to repeat after a while. Is it possible to tell the page to load nothing at all at times, or would we have to code in "blanks", essentially, on the list that it's drawing from? -- Dorek Talk External Image 06:26, 27 April 2016 (CET)

ran into this conversation from the recent changes; thought it was relevant to some thoughts i had when i first direct my browser to the website - I noticed a while ago that when i type "biosector01.com" into my browser that it doesn't take me to the wiki's main page. imho, i don't think that's a good idea. there's a significantly reduced functionality on the new "main" page, and you have to navigate elsewhere if you want to do anything besides search a particular article. that said, i really like the random image background idea - the current one is getting kinda stale haha. we could have a script or something randomly pick a page on here and use that page's infobox image as the background... or something like that.Intelligence4 (talk) 07:22, 26 April 2016 (CET)

I've always found those changing background things really tacky, honestly. Much prefer a simplified version and keep the background standard (although I am open to a new background!)
I know Swert originally had the idea of linking Vezon's face to the random page button, which I thought was fun. Don't know if that accomplishes the same thing or not though. I like the idea of featuring pages, but we run into the same problem of the main page in general, which is lack of upkeep. The whole point of the splash page is to reduce the bloat of the main page and pare it down to the only stuff that people actually verifiably use. -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:11, 26 April 2016 (CET)

Just want to add on that I really don't like the current "main" page either. ;) It's just not at all useful. Despite what you some may want to think, a wiki isn't Google. Its front page doesn't, and really never should, look like theirs. There's just too much stripped away from it. --~|RC|~ (Talk/Contribs)

The stats indicate otherwise; the main page isn't super utilized in its current form, especially with a lack of maintenance. A wiki might not be Google, but it is a wiki; this is inspired more by Wikipedia's landing page than anything else. It's obviously not final, either, and there will be various and sundry links at some point or another. And I'm not getting rid of the main page (though I will revise it to remove a lot of the "featured" stuff if we're going to include something like that on the landing page), so people can keep their pants on about that. -- Dorek Talk External Image 05:43, 27 April 2016 (CET)
At the very least a direct link to your user page and recent changes would be nice.
For what it's worth, the examples of the random backgrounds and learn more links are pretty cool. --~|RC|~ (Talk/Contribs)