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::Why not just "Enlarged"? [[User:Maxim21|<font color="goldenrod">maxim21</font>]] 07:20, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
 
::Why not just "Enlarged"? [[User:Maxim21|<font color="goldenrod">maxim21</font>]] 07:20, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
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Because he was only enlarged in Karda Nui, not I during the journey he took before after becoming a Toa of Twilight. I like Lockman's idea. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
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::I still liked Titan >=( -- '''[[User:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>I AM THE DOREK</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>do not truffle with me</font>]]</sub>'''  18:48, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
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I was going to make a new section on this, but i figured this looked like a good place to put it: shouldn't the titan tab on the infobox be a subtab of the toa tab? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 07:10, 15 December 2016 (CET)
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==Alt. Universe Journey Order==
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Currently we have the three alt. unis he went to listed in the order of the silver city, then the kingdom, then the toa empire. when the stories were released however, i remember the kingdom being last, with the toa empire second. in the kingdom, he was able to remind the alt. helryx of her original plan for him, so brutaka was able to finally send him back to the correct universe/timeline. do we have a source that shows which order they happened in? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 22:24, 2 April 2016 (CEST)
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:That sounds like speculation to me. First off, at the end of ''[[The Kingdom]]'', it merely states that Brutaka sent Takanuva back into interdimensional space and says nothing about Helryx being involved in that. Second, the Siege of Karda Nui never happened in The Kingdom Alternate Universe because Mata Nui died before then, so alternate Helryx's plans for Takanuva (if she'd even had any) would have been very different. As for the order of publication, ''The Kingdom'' may have come in last, but was confirmed to have taken place between ''BIONICLE: Journey of Takanuva'' and ''Dark Mirror''. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Order a Sig!</font>]]</sup> 05:03, 3 April 2016 (CEST)
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::Do we have a source for that order confirmation? otherwise it would make sense to follow the publication order, since that generally follows story-order. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:54, 6 April 2016 (CET)
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:::Except when it doesn't, which was fairly often, back in the day. I remember there being a lot of debate about this in 2008, which wasn't settled until Greg confirmed the order in which he traveled (IIRC, it's the City of Silver, then Kingdom, then Dark Mirror). We don't have a source listed, because that wasn't BS01's policy back then. fishers64 could probably find the answers in her "categorical Greg answer database" on BZPower. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:10, 6 April 2016 (CET)
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Anyone have her contact so that we could confirm that?
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On anther note, is that "database" publicly available, or is fisher the only one who can access it? (if it is, where is it?) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]])
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:I think it's technically available to the public (BZP staff posted it in S&T a while ago), but fishers64 is the only one with the patience to go through it. She's on BZPower, just look up "fishers64" and send her a PM. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 17:22, 12 April 2016 (CET)
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::what's s&t? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:21, 12 April 2016 (CET)
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:::BZpower '''S'''toryline '''& T'''heories. It's a subforum. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:48, 13 April 2016 (CET)
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== Nuurakh quote ==
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What page of BA4 is the Nuurakh quote on? No need to cite it, I'm just curious. Thanks. -- {{StaffLink|Morris the Mata Nui Cow}} ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 05:31, 9 December 2016 (CET)
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:It's on the page, next to the citation: "BA4, p. 75" -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:06, 9 December 2016 (CET)
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::Durr sorry, I was looking at an old revision when I posted that. Clearly I'm on top of my game huh? :P -- {{StaffLink|Morris the Mata Nui Cow}} ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 05:29, 10 December 2016 (CET)
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== Recent Edits About MNOG ==
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The "official" notes about the game have ta-koro listed as chapter 1, and you could certainly play the game that way now, since all the chapters are of course available and have been for a long time now. When it was first released however, was it not the case that the path to ta-koro was blocked by lava, and you couldn't play that part of the game until the ga-koro chapter was complete? i remember maku on the beach being the only character you could interact with, and ga-koro being the only path you could take. then ta-koro opened up when that that chapter of the game was released online. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 22:36, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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:It was the other way around. The flow initially blocked Ta-Wahi, but the February update allowed you to cross and resolve the question of what happened with Tahu after he got out of the can/crossed the flow. Then Maku was added in March for access to Ga-Koro. This is reflected in the chapter order on the menu in the official release. The official walkthrough DOES mess up the order of the two chapters, but that's because it was written by a fan for Lego, specifically to accompany the 2006 rerelease. [[User:Vezok of Zakaz|Peri]] ([[User talk:Vezok of Zakaz|talk]]) 22:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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::The [[Saga_Guides/Coming_of_the_Toa|Saga Guide]] lists them in the same order as the Walkthrough, so I would assume that is the canon order of the events. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 00:08, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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:::The Saga Guide was written after the wrong walkthtrough was available. If you check the official release of the game, you see it. And Jala in the game does say that Ta-Koro lost the communication to Ga-Koro due to recent Rahi attacks, so the player must go there to check it, and after it Jala say thanks to Takua for going there. If you play ga-koro first, Jala only tells the player that Ga-Koro is safe again. (Or something like that) — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 05:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::The Saga Guide being written after the walkthrough was released does not make it inaccurate. Also there would need to be time for Jala and Kapura to encounter Tahu prior to Takua returning to Ta-Koro. I'm not sure if we have any source saying one way or the other as to which order is canon though. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 20:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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:::::The Saga Guide was written by some fan editing the wiki, I don't understand why it would even be part of the considerations for what's 'canon.' Jala and Kapura have time to encounter Tahu while Takua is stuck on the other side of the lava - mnog's updates were presented as being in real time, so Takua would've been exploring Ta-Wahi like a month after Tahu had come through. Granted, you guys do your 'canon' thing and in that context a month would be too long to be possible, but Takua still easily could've sat on the beach for a couple of hours until the lava cooled. [[User:Vezok of Zakaz|Peri]] ([[User talk:Vezok of Zakaz|talk]]) 21:17, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::::Actually, the Walkthrough we used came directly from LEGO direct, written well after all parts were already available. If you look back on [[MNOLG|the page]], you'll see that ORIGINALLY you could not go anywhere but Ta-Koro at first. Ga-Koro was an update down the line. In truth, you can go either direction from the beginning, there is no "canon" answer. Hope this helps to understand. --<span class="plainlinks">[http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/User:Swert <img>http://biosector01.com/swert/WikiSig.png</img>]</span> <sup><font color="#09c2e3">Owner ([[User talk:Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">contribs</font>]])</font></sup>
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Worth noting that Greg hasn't played MNOG and is usually hesitant to comment on it. If you want firm confirmation, it may be good to reach out to Templar. IIRC a while ago they confirmed that Matoran in MNOG and MNOG2 who look similar are in fact the same. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 04:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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:How were they contacted? <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:31, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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::Master of the Rahkshi emailed them. Their site is [http://www.templar.com/ here] if you're interested. (My guess is he emailed info at templar.) -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 17:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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Does anyone know why the quote on this page is so low-set? It's very aesthetically unappealing when compared to other pages. But unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it myself. Y.Y Tenkai XXO 23:32, 20 September 2012 (PDT)

Better? :D ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

Hero of the Melding

Where was it strongly implied he was still a Toa? I think it was implied he is still a story-teller of sorts, a Chronicler if those exist in the Melding AU, but not necessarily a Toa. After all, the people mentioned we know of as Toa were described or implied to be Matoran. ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

It was only said that he was still called Takua and that he told a better story of The Melding than anyone else. So no idea really. --Creepa Demon

Macku seems to hold disdain of Matoran, insulting Helryx. Additionally, just because there was a three person pattern doesn't mean there is on. To me, she's saying it's another Toa who's better at storytelling than her. Due to her comments about Matoran, it would seem she doesn't respect them. Lord Nektann

“I know, I’m kidding,” Macku replied. “But you know the Great Beings intended for us Toa to take on the tough jobs – that’s why they made us so agile and fast, if a little small. You big Matoran are supposed to do the work the village needs done in order to thrive.”
Where in there is she disdainful of Matoran? She's stating the facts. She even states specifically that she was kidding with alt-Helryx about alt-Helryx being sick of the Melding story. And a 3 person pattern seems a stronger indication of things being backward to what we think than you reading alt-Macku's words in a certain tone as compared to another reader's reading of it. If you're basing the statement that alt-Takua is a Toa on how you read just that little bit of info we have on the Melding AU, perhaps you better hold off your judgement until another opportunity for a Greg Q&A via Erebus comes up. ζω·τωμαναExternal Image
(he won't remember, and it's not something we would really bother asking anyway) -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 14:46, 30 January 2013 (PST)

Curse the end of the OGD... I still say the implication is based upon the reader's perception. ζω·τωμαναExternal Image

What ending is canon?

Is the part where Takanuva is revived by the Matoran and Turaga, the Three Virutes symbols and his Avohkii even canon? There's two sides of that story, it seems. This particular page states that he got out just in the nick of time, unharmed, before the door slammed down, as you can see here http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Takanuva#Takutanuva And the other, here on Takutanuva's own page, uses the Mask of Light ending as the explanation in the Biography section http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Takutanuva#Biography Why is this? What is canon, huh? --Luka1184 12:11, 1 May 2013 (PDT)

The MoL ending is canon. I have no idea where that "slipping out" bit came from. LockmanCapulet Talk the Talk|Walk the Walk

Came from the novelization, I believe. The revival ending is canon. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 15:54, 1 May 2013 (PDT)

Move to "Takanuva"

A while back I remember people tossed around the idea of moving this page to just "Takanuva," but nothing ever came out of it. The name Takanuva is simpler and more consistent with other articles (e.g. the article for Jaller is "Jaller" and not "Jala/Jaller"--certainly an extreme example, but the point still stands). Thoughts? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 20:55, 15 July 2014 (CEST)

The article name has always bothered me. --Angel Bob (talk) 21:04, 15 July 2014 (CEST)
Yes. (more reason: wikipedia:en:Kate Middleton vs. wikipedia:en:Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge) Names change, let's move on. --Fippede 21:54, 15 July 2014 (CEST)
Quoting the royal family at me? How dare you!
No but seriously I don't remember any actual rumblings of a name change, I just mention it offhand now and again. I'm for changing it. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 23:52, 15 July 2014 (CEST)

I think the main reason we have it this way is because of the fact that his name change was so very different, wasn't done for legal reasons, and that in later parts of the story he shows up AS TAKUA (Dark Mirror). The "/" thing bothers me too, but Takua has always been a exceptional case =P ζoxHistories External Image

My next examples would be Herbert Frahm and Angela Kasner, but as we have some more or less consens on this one, I don't think I'm going to need them. ;-) --Fippede 02:00, 16 July 2014 (CEST)

Titan Form

I don't think Karda Nui is a good title for it. It would be better labeled his "Twilight Form" or something along those lines because he was in the half-shadow form for a lot more than just Karda Nui. ζoxHistories External Image

Maybe if we have "Toa of Twilight" in quotes, like "Toa" on the Mata Nui page? It was a moniker given to that form, albeit as a taunt. LockmanCapulet Crusty relics! 07:13, 17 July 2014 (CEST)
Why not just "Enlarged"? maxim21 07:20, 17 July 2014 (CEST)

Because he was only enlarged in Karda Nui, not I during the journey he took before after becoming a Toa of Twilight. I like Lockman's idea. ζoxHistories External Image

I still liked Titan >=( -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 18:48, 17 July 2014 (CEST)

I was going to make a new section on this, but i figured this looked like a good place to put it: shouldn't the titan tab on the infobox be a subtab of the toa tab? Intelligence4 (talk) 07:10, 15 December 2016 (CET)

Alt. Universe Journey Order

Currently we have the three alt. unis he went to listed in the order of the silver city, then the kingdom, then the toa empire. when the stories were released however, i remember the kingdom being last, with the toa empire second. in the kingdom, he was able to remind the alt. helryx of her original plan for him, so brutaka was able to finally send him back to the correct universe/timeline. do we have a source that shows which order they happened in? Intelligence4 (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2016 (CEST)

That sounds like speculation to me. First off, at the end of The Kingdom, it merely states that Brutaka sent Takanuva back into interdimensional space and says nothing about Helryx being involved in that. Second, the Siege of Karda Nui never happened in The Kingdom Alternate Universe because Mata Nui died before then, so alternate Helryx's plans for Takanuva (if she'd even had any) would have been very different. As for the order of publication, The Kingdom may have come in last, but was confirmed to have taken place between BIONICLE: Journey of Takanuva and Dark Mirror. -- Toa Jala Order a Sig! 05:03, 3 April 2016 (CEST)
Do we have a source for that order confirmation? otherwise it would make sense to follow the publication order, since that generally follows story-order. Intelligence4 (talk) 20:54, 6 April 2016 (CET)
Except when it doesn't, which was fairly often, back in the day. I remember there being a lot of debate about this in 2008, which wasn't settled until Greg confirmed the order in which he traveled (IIRC, it's the City of Silver, then Kingdom, then Dark Mirror). We don't have a source listed, because that wasn't BS01's policy back then. fishers64 could probably find the answers in her "categorical Greg answer database" on BZPower. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:10, 6 April 2016 (CET)

Anyone have her contact so that we could confirm that? On anther note, is that "database" publicly available, or is fisher the only one who can access it? (if it is, where is it?) Intelligence4 (talk)

I think it's technically available to the public (BZP staff posted it in S&T a while ago), but fishers64 is the only one with the patience to go through it. She's on BZPower, just look up "fishers64" and send her a PM. --Angel Bob (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2016 (CET)
what's s&t? Intelligence4 (talk) 19:21, 12 April 2016 (CET)
BZpower Storyline & Theories. It's a subforum. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:48, 13 April 2016 (CET)

Nuurakh quote

What page of BA4 is the Nuurakh quote on? No need to cite it, I'm just curious. Thanks. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 05:31, 9 December 2016 (CET)

It's on the page, next to the citation: "BA4, p. 75" -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:06, 9 December 2016 (CET)
Durr sorry, I was looking at an old revision when I posted that. Clearly I'm on top of my game huh? :P -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 05:29, 10 December 2016 (CET)

Recent Edits About MNOG

The "official" notes about the game have ta-koro listed as chapter 1, and you could certainly play the game that way now, since all the chapters are of course available and have been for a long time now. When it was first released however, was it not the case that the path to ta-koro was blocked by lava, and you couldn't play that part of the game until the ga-koro chapter was complete? i remember maku on the beach being the only character you could interact with, and ga-koro being the only path you could take. then ta-koro opened up when that that chapter of the game was released online. Intelligence4 (talk) 22:36, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

It was the other way around. The flow initially blocked Ta-Wahi, but the February update allowed you to cross and resolve the question of what happened with Tahu after he got out of the can/crossed the flow. Then Maku was added in March for access to Ga-Koro. This is reflected in the chapter order on the menu in the official release. The official walkthrough DOES mess up the order of the two chapters, but that's because it was written by a fan for Lego, specifically to accompany the 2006 rerelease. Peri (talk) 22:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
The Saga Guide lists them in the same order as the Walkthrough, so I would assume that is the canon order of the events. ~ Wolk (talk) 00:08, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
The Saga Guide was written after the wrong walkthtrough was available. If you check the official release of the game, you see it. And Jala in the game does say that Ta-Koro lost the communication to Ga-Koro due to recent Rahi attacks, so the player must go there to check it, and after it Jala say thanks to Takua for going there. If you play ga-koro first, Jala only tells the player that Ga-Koro is safe again. (Or something like that) — SurelNuva (Talk) 05:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
The Saga Guide being written after the walkthrough was released does not make it inaccurate. Also there would need to be time for Jala and Kapura to encounter Tahu prior to Takua returning to Ta-Koro. I'm not sure if we have any source saying one way or the other as to which order is canon though. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
The Saga Guide was written by some fan editing the wiki, I don't understand why it would even be part of the considerations for what's 'canon.' Jala and Kapura have time to encounter Tahu while Takua is stuck on the other side of the lava - mnog's updates were presented as being in real time, so Takua would've been exploring Ta-Wahi like a month after Tahu had come through. Granted, you guys do your 'canon' thing and in that context a month would be too long to be possible, but Takua still easily could've sat on the beach for a couple of hours until the lava cooled. Peri (talk) 21:17, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Actually, the Walkthrough we used came directly from LEGO direct, written well after all parts were already available. If you look back on the page, you'll see that ORIGINALLY you could not go anywhere but Ta-Koro at first. Ga-Koro was an update down the line. In truth, you can go either direction from the beginning, there is no "canon" answer. Hope this helps to understand. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)

Worth noting that Greg hasn't played MNOG and is usually hesitant to comment on it. If you want firm confirmation, it may be good to reach out to Templar. IIRC a while ago they confirmed that Matoran in MNOG and MNOG2 who look similar are in fact the same. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 04:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

How were they contacted? ~ Wolk (talk) 07:31, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Master of the Rahkshi emailed them. Their site is here if you're interested. (My guess is he emailed info at templar.) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 17:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)