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:::The Makuta's Guide clearly states that the Toa Mata were awakened by the OoMN.— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 18:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 
:::The Makuta's Guide clearly states that the Toa Mata were awakened by the OoMN.— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 18:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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::::i think it's most likely that the robot took over 200 years to build. considering the size and complexity of the project, this isn't something that'd be whipped up in months. we also know there was at least some latency between the hand and the order, since axonn spent a good amount of time becoming a feared conqueror in the southern islands. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 14:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

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How did the Hand of Artakha serve Mata Nui prior the awakening, considering they disbanded prior to it since the OoMN oversaw the training of the Toa Mata prior the Awakening? :/ ~ Wolk (talk) 16:21, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Nice catch! Hadn't thought about that. The Hand existed for "more than 200 years" according to the BEU. I don't have BL10 with me, but here are a couple ways to resolve that:
1) The Toa Mata may have actually been awakened by the Hand, before it became the Order, if BL10's flashbacks don't mention either organization by name. Heck, even if Helryx or Hydraxon does mention they are part of the Order, we could argue the switchover was gradual. :P
2) The GSR took >200 years to build. (Would that conflict with other info?)
3) The date in BEU is wrong. This the least convincing IMO, not just because it'd mean BEU is wrong, but because it doesn't resolve other things, like why the Hand disbanded in favor of Toa teams before there were any Toa teams around. (More on that below.)
Also, supporting 1), Bionicle: World never mentions the Hand. It claims the Great Beings helped pitch the idea of the OoMN. Of course, out of universe the story team hadn't come up with the Hand yet, but I did get the sense reading BW and the encyclopedia entries that the Order wasn't so much a new organization (as BS01 would currently lead us to believe) as a rebranding of the Hand. Also, we know the Hand lasted until after the first Toa teams were forming (BEU claims the Hand disbanded/reorganized in favor of Toa teams), and apparently the Toa Cordak formed after the Toa Mata went into stasis, so there's good reason to believe the Hand awakened the Toa Mata.
Once we get our theories hammered down, it'd be a good thing to ask Greg about. That said, he hasn't answered questions in months. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 16:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
FTR, this was already discussed pretty thoroughly on the timeline talk. It seems nothing was asked to Greg following this discussion. --maxim21 18:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
The Makuta's Guide clearly states that the Toa Mata were awakened by the OoMN.— SurelNuva (Talk) 18:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
i think it's most likely that the robot took over 200 years to build. considering the size and complexity of the project, this isn't something that'd be whipped up in months. we also know there was at least some latency between the hand and the order, since axonn spent a good amount of time becoming a feared conqueror in the southern islands. Intelligence4 (talk) 14:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)