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Approved proposals (please merge these pages!)

Merge "Bohrok Online Animations" and "Bohrok-Kal Online Animations" into "Mata Nui Online Animations"

Pages will be merged.

Officially there are no titles for these animations, since the episodes were featured on the website from some of the "Recent Updates" stories, and as such the website itself featured no differentiation between the seven Bohrok-focused episodes and the subsequent three Bohrok-Kal-oriented ones. There's a clear continuity from the final Bohrok episode to the first Bohrok-Kal one, and in fact, the url movie ID and the even the SWF file for Theft of Fire both listed it as Episode 8. Finally, the Wall of History updates that frequently correspond to accompanying online animations covered both the Bohrok and the Bohrok-Kal sagas.

As for a title for the combined page, but I'm strongly inclined to "Mata Nui Online Animations" since it reinforces that continuity with the Mata Nui Online Games (all three would be the first results in a BS01 search for "Mata Nui Online"), as well as maintaining the existing continuity with the later "Online Animations" pages we feature. --Gonel (talk) 03:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Update: Pages have been merged, and I think every page talking about them outside of a hyperlink has been updated. Just the hyperlinks remain I think.

Comments

I like the name idea. I guess we can keep BKOA and BOA in the citation template for legacy purposes (with some edits to the output), but work to move over to MNOA. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:21, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


Rename "Dekar-Hydraxon" to "Hydraxon (Duplicate)" and "Hydraxon" to "Hydraxon (Original)"

Most articles covering subjects whose names changed during the story use the subject's new name. Examples include "Jaller," "Takanuva," and "Treespeak" (back when it was a full article). Renaming "Dekar-Hydraxon" to "Hydraxon" would match that convention. With this change, we could also remove the Nickname template from that article--"Dekar-Hydraxon" was a term made up for BS01.

Of course, then we'd have two "Hydraxon" articles, so we could turn "Hydraxon" into a disambiguation page and distinguish the character articles with the titles "Hydraxon (Duplicate)" and "Hydraxon (Original)." -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 17:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Votes for renaming "Dekar-Hydraxon" and "Hydraxon"

  1. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 17:46, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
  2. -- Dag (talk) 18:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
  3. ~ Wolk (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
  4. --Surel (Talk) 08:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
  5. - Toa Jala Converse 21:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Votes against renaming "Dekar-Hydraxon" and "Hydraxon"

  1. I agree with Dorek's reasoning below. --Angel Bob (talk) 20:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Comments on renaming "Dekar-Hydraxon" and "Hydraxon"

I vague remember we having a very similar poll already. And we've made the changes, that was the time when we merged Dekar's and the Dekar-Hydraxo pages I believe, only to Dorek rename the page back to Dekar-Hydraxon. So I'll only vote if he's okay with the changes lol --Surel (Talk) 20:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's what I found.[1][2][3] Also, if the pages do end up being renamed, we should have a "Hydraxon" disambiguation page. Dag (talk) 20:56, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Ah, I knew we'd talked about the page name a while back but had forgotten we'd actually voted on it. My bad (and thanks for bringing up that info). Also, agreed about the disambig. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 04:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I'm still not sold on it, although it is the least obtrusive solution (aside from what it is now). Functionally, he's still Dekar, and it feels remiss to have his name just be a redirect. It's too unique to compare to Takua or Treespeak.

We could also just make it Dekar =P -- Dorek Talk 02:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I see what you mean. Since the article is about two identities (rather than a single identity/concept with two names, as in the other examples), there's a good argument for mentioning both identities in the title. Personally, I still lean against "Dekar-Hydraxon" since it's a nickname while "Dekar" and "Hydraxon (Duplicate)" aren't. In that case, since the new Hydraxon doesn't remember his past, I think it'd make more sense to title the article with his new identity instead of his old one. None of my opinions are strong though, and I'm curious to hear others. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 04:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I think we should create a separate page for Dekar. Once he becomes Hydraxon, he's no longer Dekar. Dekar essentially no longer exists (RIP). Like Morris said, they're two different identities, but I agree with Dorek as well: it's too unique to use Takua/Takanuva as a model, so we need to do something else in this case. When Takua became Takanuva, he was still the same individual, so it makes sense to give him only one page. Either way, I support the name changes being proposed here. - Toa Jala Converse 21:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, that's how it originally was, waaaaaay back in the day. I think the argument for fusing them (maybe I did that? idk it's been 15 years) was because he IS still Dekar; mind readers can access those parts of his brain, and literally any time he appears in the story people go "this guy's a phony!" so being Dekar is still central to the character and his arc. It's not like we would have had two pages for amnesiac Takua and regular Takua, or Metru Nui Nuhrii and Mata Nui Nuri, etc. etc. I think having two "Hydraxon" pages doesn't really capture the complexities of it, although at some point I get that it's just semantics. -- Dorek Talk 18:07, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Merge Professional Contributors to BIONICLE with BIONICLE

I've never quite liked the real people page, not that it doesn't provide useful information, but it was always a bit hodgepodge. I think the information would do well on the BIONICLE page itself, with a bit of tweaking (probably bullet lists instead of sections, but I'm not opposed to some kind of table if we wanted to sort them by what they did, rather than alphabetically?).

ALTERNATIVELY we could use the new Meta page system (I'll have examples soon!) and, like, split the information, but I feel like that might be hard to do without ripping a lot of information off the BIONICLE page as it is. -- Dorek Talk 16:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Votes for merging Professional Contributors to BIONICLE with BIONICLE

  1. -- Dorek Talk 16:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Votes for using the Meta tag

  1. I think having a list of the people who have contributed to the theme is great, but I personally would rather see it be part of the new Meta plan than merged into BIONICLE. -- TheRocketRacer (talk) 00:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
  2. Right! This was the thing, I forgot. ~ Wolk (talk) 01:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
  3. Moving my vote now that some Meta examples are live--Gonel (talk) 18:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
  4. - Toa Jala Converse 17:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Votes for doing nothing

  1. I still don't know what'll be the point of the meta tags, and until then, I think it worth to be a separate page.--Surel (Talk) 18:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Comments on merging Professional Contributors to BIONICLE

I'm not sure how the Meta pages will work, so I'll refrain from voting for now.

I feel like there's too much information to squeeze it into the BIONICLE page, and I also know the contributors page is horribly incomplete / out of date. Kind of a hazzle to maintain, but I do think it is a necessairy page to have, and it's certainly better than making seperate pages for each person. Keeping track of what they did is a very important aspect.

I guess, ultimately I would need to see what these options would look like. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm in the same boat as Wolk. I don't really think that information belongs tacked on to the BIONICLE page (we finally got a space for the Fan Community section that had already been there). Outside of maybe an out-of-universe BIONICLE cameos section, the BIONICLE page is pretty complete and self-contained, whereas the "Professional Contributors" section serves a pretty different purpose. For me, it would be like merging the "Other Toa" page with "Elements."
I'm very curious about the Meta examples, and seeing what they'd look like may motivate me to both change my vote here and vote on the Meta tag in AfC. I'd also definitely be keen on revising the Contributors page. But for the time being, out of the three options I'm inclined to the status quo. --Gonel (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Meta:Tahu is up. As for other pages I'm still thinking of examples; I wholesale moved Meta:Fan Community, but others might require a bit more tweaking. Ultimately I don't think it would be as good a fit for the real people article, but at the same time, I still think there's a better way than just "here's a list of randos in no particular order". Maybe I'll recategorize the page if nobody likes the idea of merging. -- Dorek Talk 12:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
To anyone who doesn't understand what the new Meta tag is for, it's for real world information outside of the story as well as fan-created concepts, or at least I think that's what it's intended for, let me know if I'm wrong. -- TheRocketRacer (talk) 01:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Merge Bohrok Kaita Ja and Bohrok Kaita Za with Bohrok Kaita

I know this might seems like a strange nomination, but hear me out. We don't have examples of either Bohrok Kaita in the story, and they don't even have official names. As far as I'm concerned, they're both just stubs and don't contain much unique information. - Toa Jala Converse 17:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Votes for Merging into Bohrok Kaita

  1. - Toa Jala Converse 17:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
  2. Dag (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  3. ~ Wolk (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  4. --Surel (Talk) 19:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Votes for Merging them into the main Bohrok page

  1. To be honest, I don't think they worth more than the Bohrok Va Kaita, which doesn't even have their own page, just mentioned on the main Bohrok Va page.--Surel (Talk) 22:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
  2. Either is fine. Dag (talk) 01:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
  3. I'd rather they have their own page, but I'm also okay with merging them into Bohrok. - Toa Jala Converse 18:27, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Votes to Leave Them as They Are

Comments on Merging into Bohrok Kaita

Surel-Nuva's suggestion sounds reasonable as well. Just the same, here's the sandbox of my imagined Bohrok Kaita merged page. - Toa Jala Converse 22:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

If you could include the Bohrok Va Kaita too on this one, you'll have my vote for a merged page. :D --Surel (Talk) 12:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Done, although it adds virtually nothing to the page. You may be onto something. - Toa Jala Converse 19:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't know why, but it just feels right to include them there.--Surel (Talk) 19:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I feel that whatever happens may as well happen with the Kal Kaita and the Rahkshi Kaita. Both had such minor antagonistic roles, and their BS01 pages are minimal enough that they could very safely be consolidated. Their unique names differentiate them a bit, but not everything with a unique name warrants a page. --Gonel (talk) 22:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

The difference IMO is that the Rahkshi Kaita and one of the Bohrok-Kal Kaita at least have appearances. - Toa Jala Converse 04:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Rename "Meta:Use of Māori Words in BIONICLE" to "Meta:Use of Real Words in BIONICLE"

It makes sense given this page to have similar pages dedicated to the use of other languages in BIONICLE (notably English, Latin, and the various languages of MNOGII names). But instead of having one small page per each language or just a second page for every other language, I feel it just makes sense to consolidate all this information on the same page. --Gonel (talk) 02:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Votes for Renaming

  1. --Gonel (talk) 02:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Votes against Renaming

  1. - Toa Jala Converse 04:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Comments

What makes the use of Māori words unique is the controversy that ensued. The page isn't just about the words, it's about the lawsuit and the culture. A list of Latin or English words wouldn't have the same significance. I'd be open to renaming it "Use of Polynesian Words", seeing as that was also part of the controversy. - Toa Jala Converse 04:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Rename "Piraka Online Animations" as "Voya Nui Online Animations"

If you look at the Piraka Online Animations page (notably the trivia section), not only is the title fan made, but it also draws an awkward distinction between the first few animations (which feature the Piraka logo, but which also star Toa Inika) and the last couple (vice versa) which it calls "Inika Online Animations". The animations themselves are untitled, and functionally part of the same series and story. Instead of bothering with this arbitrary fanmade complication, perhaps we could just rename them as the broader "Voya Nui Online Animations"? --Gonel (talk) 16:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Votes for Renaming

  1. --Gonel (talk) 16:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  2. --Surel (Talk) 17:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  3. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  4. Dag (talk) 17:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Votes against Renaming

Comments

Rename "The Search for the Mask of Light" as "Toa Hordika and the Mask of Light"

Along similar lines, as far as Wolk has found (see its talk page) the title "The Search for the Mask of Light" is fanmade, and we have a more canonical title with "Toa Hordika and the Mask of Light." Unless an official use of "The Search for the Mask of Light" can be found, I'd suggest renaming it to the more official title. --Gonel (talk) 16:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Votes for Renaming

  1. --Gonel (talk) 16:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  2. --Surel (Talk) 17:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  3. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
  4. Dag (talk) 17:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Votes against Renaming

Comments

Rename "2015 Online Animations" as "BIONICLE Webisodes"

We were looking into this on the BS01 server, and this seems to be the closest thing these had to a title, as most of the playlists for these use this title. --Gonel (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Votes for Renaming

  1. --Gonel (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
  2. It would probably be better to leave the current name as a redirect. Dag (talk) 20:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
  3. --Surel (Talk) 07:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  4. Funnily, the English one actually just called them "BIONICLE Episodes" D: But German, French, Italian, and Korean all say BIONICLE Webisodes. ~ Wolk (talk) 09:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
  5. Why not? - Toa Jala Converse 17:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Votes against Renaming

Comments

So I don't have to log onto Discord again haha, where were they referred to as that? -- Dorek Talk 21:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

On the playlists of the official Lego youtube channel.--Surel (Talk) 22:05, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
German, French, Korean, Italian, Turkish, English, German again, and Taiwanese(?). ~ Wolk (talk) 10:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Rename "Journey to One" as "BIONICLE: The Journey to One"

This just seems like an oversight; all the marketing material had BIONICLE in front of the title, and all our movies and various media keep it in the title. Not sure if this warrants a vote or not, but screw it. --Gonel (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Votes for Renaming

  1. --Gonel (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
  2. Same comment as the 2015 Online Animations. Dag (talk) 20:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
  3. --Surel (Talk) 07:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  4. I don't have an opinion for the one above, but this makes sense to me. - Toa Jala Converse 18:23, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  5. ~ Wolk (talk)

Votes against Renaming

Comments

Make it BIONICLE: The Journey to One and I'm in. ~ Wolk (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

^What he said. - Toa Jala Converse 07:26, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I had a bunch written up about how ambivalent I was, but I sort of talked myself out of it lol. Yeah, it probably should have BIONICLE as a prefix, I just didn't want to deal with them consistently adding LEGO as a publisher; is the series "BIONICLE" or is the series "LEGO BIONICLE"? It was clearer back when they weren't adding it. -- Dorek Talk 21:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

I would say just BIONICLE, otherwise it's like if we were to call G2 "LEGO BIONICLE", as aa distinguisher from G1 "BIONICLE". I would say the LEGO Logo is not part of the title, it's just positioned next to the title. Should probably update Books to match and rename the G2 chapterbook section, if we do this. ~ Wolk (talk) 10:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)