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Approved proposals

None currently.

Clone Tools

For want of a better word, I'm making this section to nominate the deletion/merging of a bunch of pages, as mentioned in the toa hagah tools discussion. I figured instead of making a yes/no votes section, we could just have a running tally of each group of pages we want to condense. If you think of another set of pages you want to nominate, just add it as a subsection here and we can all vote.

Bohrok-Kal Shields

Make Bohrok-Kal Shields

  1. ~OnionShark 15:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
  2. I'm for putting them on their own page, sure. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs) 05:20, 1 July 2017 (CET)
  3. --777stairs (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2017 (CET)
  4. These shields seem iconic enough to be separate from the normal Borohk shields.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2017 (CET)
  5. --Vartemp Talk 22:20, 29 September 2017 (CET)
  6. Bohrok and Bohrok-Kal are separate articles, as are Krana and Krana-Kal, so there's precedent for giving the Bohrok-Kal shields their own page. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
  7. Per Morris. Keplers (talk) 05:59, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Don't make Bohrok-Kal Shields

  1. same argument as the bohrok shields above from me - and if we were to create that page, i don't think the kal shields are special enough to warrant their own page - perhaps a section of the regular bohrok shields page, if anything. ideally, there would just be a section for them on the bohrok kal page. Intelligence4 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2017 (CET)
  2. -- Toa Jala Converse 15:45, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  3. --maxim21 06:08, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  4. Combine it with the Bohrok Shield page. Dag (talk) 00:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Merge Bohrok-Kal Shields with Bohrok Shields

  1. I feel it would belong on the same page as the regular Bohrok Shields. --WOLKsite (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2017 (CET)
  2. Merge them with the Bohrok shields.--Surel (Talk) 00:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Comments

The Piraka weapons are individuals enough to deserve their own pages. — SurelNuva (Talk) 14:16, 30 June 2017 (CET)

The Shark Tooth Blades and Tri-talons have enough info on them to merit pages of their own, but I think that one for the Twin Knives is unneeded. I also like the suggestion of having both the normal and Kal shields on the same page, but for now let's keep the voting options apart. Lastly, I don't think that a page for the Va's tools is needed, simply because they don't already have pages of their own but are mentioned in the abilities and traits sections of their respective Bohrok, so they are fine like this. ~OnionShark 15:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
Pahrak Va have the same hammers as Turaga Onewa, the Tahnok Va have firestaffs like Turaga Vakama. — SurelNuva (Talk) 15:49, 30 June 2017 (CET)
One more reason to get rid of the 7 Rahkshi staffs that answer claims that the shape of the staff doesn't matter, they are just the focus.[1] So Guurahk's and the Rahkshi of Heat Vision's staff are the same weapon, but being held by another Rahkshi. — SurelNuva (Talk) 17:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
It seems like batching clone weapons on a single page would be better organization, but will character pages have any info for tools or will all the info be on the list of clone weapons? Also, in the case of say, Takadox's Twin Knives, where his weapon would be merged with his character page, does anybody think it excessive to have a page batching the Barraki tools together even though they are not clone tools?--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:01, 1 July 2017 (CET)

Eh I think we should only be doing this sort of thing for clone weapons. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 05:28, 1 July 2017 (CET)

Do we have any other clone tools? — SurelNuva (Talk) 12:10, 8 July 2017 (CET)
Bohrok Va still need to be voted on. I'll make the section.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2017 (CET)
Oops. Didn't realize it was already decided. And no, I suppose they don't have staffs, I guess I was just thinking about Tahnok Va when I did that.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2017 (CET)

Regarding the talk around bohrok shields being an extension of their power, I believe I recall Greg.F confirming somewhere that the bohrok shields are actual shields that are held by the bohrok, as opposed to part of their anatomy/design. So in other words, a toa could hold one without difficulty, although whether or not they could use it I can't remember. I'm not sure where I stand on the question, but I thought it was worth bringing up. Snaptor (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2017 (CET)

Do you have a source for this? that would pretty much settle it. but i still don't think we should make a separate page for them, since we've never seen the shields out of context with the bohrok. they've always been seen with a borhok, regardless if they're part of their "anatomy" or not. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2017 (CET)
I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find the source, but the problem with intensively reading through all the old archives is that it's hard to remember exactly where you read what. I think it was somewhere in the original "Official Greg Discussion Topic" from around 2002/2003, so it may have been contradicted later anyway. In any case, I agree with your point that we have never seen a bohrok without it's shield, or vice versa, so it's not hugely important either way. I feel it's similar to how Cahdok & Gahdok are separate beings, but are on the same page because nothing that's relevant to one isn't also relevant to the other.Snaptor (talk) 01:40, 24 September 2017 (CET)
The BEU lists the Bohrok Shields as separate weapons from the Bohrok. " [Element] Shield: Tool carried by the [respective Bohrok]. [next line defines how the shield channels the Bohrok's powers]" and Greg once said that the Rahkshi staffs are not the extension of their powers so a Guurakh could use its powers through a Panrakh's staff. See the Greg answer below. — SurelNuva (Talk) 01:51, 24 September 2017 (CET)

"3. Does a piece of power reside within the Rahkshi themselves or is all their power in their staffs? For example, say Turahk and Guurahk switch staffs, would Turahk have the power of disintegration, or would it do nothing? "
" No, the staffs are just to focus the power, like the Toa's tools are."
— reptilia28 to GregF, Official Greg Discussion May 19 2003, 11:29 AM

If that's the case, then can we really make a page called "Staff of Fear" (for example) if any rahkshi can use it? The fact that the staffs essentially have no power apart from channeling the natural abilities of the rahkshi wielding them only seems to reinforce that a page for them would be rather pointless. --Snaptor (talk) 10:55, 24 September 2017 (CET)
That's why I wanna make a page called "Rahkshi Staffs" which includes the six versions of the staffs could be carried by the Rahkshi. As long as the statement above is true (And Farshtey wrote it, so it is) Guurakh's and the 2010 Rahskshi's staff are the same, only the power of the Rahkshi who's wielding it is different.(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Surel-nuva)

Added a section for three of the Phantoka/Mistika Makuta weapons which we know very little about. I purposefully left Icarax's Rotating Shadow Blades absent from the list because there is more information on them than the other three. --Snaptor (talk) 01:04, 25 September 2017 (CET)

I have found that the article "The Shadow Realm" has been nominated for deletion, but there is no voting on this page for it. Note that I was not the nominator. TessilnTheMaskMaker (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that was me. For the page is a useless redirect, I nominated a ton of these and they were deleted as well. This one must have been left unnoticed. — SurelNuva (Talk) 22:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The Shadow Realm is still nominated for deletion, but still hasn't been, despite having nothing on the page? Should it be properly deleted? --Gresh113 23:41, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Found this on Bohrok Shields: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page146#post5835 --ToaOfSnow(talk) 06:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Kinda wanna bump this. For Rahkshi Staffs - They do not contain the Rahkshi's power, they merely channel them. As such, having distinct pages (as is) is not a good idea IMO. They're also next to always referred to as "(Rahkshi name)'s Staff of Power." Way I understand things:

- Option 1, make one page that covers all the Rahkshi staffs, like how Vahki Staffs is right now.

- Option 2, keep the 7 individual pages as they are right now (Staff of Absorption, Staff of Fear, etc.)

- Option 3, merge them into the individual Rahkshi pages.

If they are "not a separate tool," as Swert put it, then Option 2 (which is voted for in this case), does not make sense. ~ Wolk (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

  1. "Official Greg Discussion," May 19 2003, 11:29 AM. BZPower.