BIONICLEsector01 talk:Articles for Creation
- 1 BIONICLE Facebook Page
- 2 Addition of Fansite
- 3 BioMedia Project
- 4 Move all fan-created canon stories from "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]" to "[title]"
- 5 Merchandise
- 6 Collectibles
- 7 Move "Chutespeak/Treespeak" to "Chutespeak" or "Treespeak"
BIONICLE Facebook Page
Page will be made.
This wiki should probably have some way of referencing the happenings of the Bionicle Facebook page, which often releases images and videos that are either exclusive or are not released on another source until later and hosts events such as contests. Bionicle websites have articles so it should seem logical that the facebook page should as well. Even if a page is not made, there should be some way of referencing events that unfold on the facebook page as well as images, videos, and other content. This could mean a nav template or a category of some form. Post your thoughts.
Addition of Fansite
Given that we have BZPower on here, I feel it only right to put Mask of Destiny on as well, and perhaps even The Toa's Hideout. However, Mask of Destiny actually has a good reason, as it is actually the longest running BIONICLE fansite with a forum on the web.
Articles will be created.
Don't forget to sign your proposals, y'all. also, can we assume that, unless stated otherwise during the duration of the discussion, a proposal counts as a vote? meaning that if 6 people put their username under the yes section but one of them is the proposal writer, then there are in fact only 5 people who are voting yes. (avoiding the proposer's vote double counting.)Intelligence4 (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2017 (CET)
- If we're doing so, a fellow who has the authority to do so should make sure to edit the clause on the policy page that explicitly prefers linking to other forum, with the exception of BZPower. Since the TTV MBs now incorporate our only consistent way of reaching Greg, such a change is long overdue by this point in time. Additionally, I don't really consider The Toa's Hideout to be especially notable; perhaps it could be added to an "other sites" page? Azani (talk) 02:52, 29 September 2017 (CET)
- can we make a new rule that if something has been unanimously decided upon for several (say...4?) months, like this one, but it has less than 8 votes, that it gets passed anyway? if nobody has a dissenting opinion in 4 months then it should just be passed through. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
As it is a fairly extensive collection of Bionicle Generation 1 media, it seems like a page for BioMedia Project might be a worthwhile addition. To be honest, I'm not sure about some of their content, such as full scans of the various G1 comics-I'm not an expert but it seems like a copyright question-but what do y'all think?--Wiriamu (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2016 (CET)
Page will be made.
The only problem with copyright would be the scans of Glatorian Comics 3-7, as those were never published for free online. --OnionShark 21:19, 6 January 2017 (CET)
- I'm pretty sure they were somewhere for free, considering I've read them and didn't have a comic subscription at the time they were published. I don't think it's an issue. Intelligence4 (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (CET)
- Maybe you read scans on brickshelf? Do you think you could find the place where you read them so we can be sure that no copyright issues will come up?
- --OnionShark 23:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)
- The scans could be found on BrickShelf some years ago (I don't know they're still there). I remember for I tried to translate the comic, but the scans were kind of awful ones, nearly unreadable, so I couldn't xd... By the way, they were on Brickshelf. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:14, 10 January 2017 (CET)
- Ok, I guess this technically wont get us into trouble. (BTW, GC3-7 are not linked )
- --OnionShark 17:27, 11 January 2017 (CET)
- Eh, the original saga's comics were not released on the BIONICLE.com, but we have links for them. And comics 3-5 were released 8 years ago, the last two were released 7 years ago, I don't think there would be copyright issue, if the BioMedia Project is still active. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:34, 11 January 2017 (CET)
No, the original comics were released for free on the website. So, the page got six votes for yes, it will be made, right? --OnionShark 17:40, 11 January 2017 (CET)
- Before we create the page we would need a Sandbox section, to see how it'll look like, I think. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)
- It's exciting that this project has been voted in, as I have hoped to do something similar for some time, but I would warn that the Lego Company still retains full rights to these comics, and can at any time deem this project unallowed. Here is a link to the Lego Companies info on using copyrighted material, .--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 23:40, 21 June 2017 (CET)
- Actually, having read the paragraph regarding the scanning of copyrighted material, it sounds as though the Lego group would not oppose what the BioMedia Project is doing as long as they make it clear that the content belongs to Lego (although arguably, the site hasn't made this particularly explicit). There is also a slight chance I'm misinterpreting this particular paragraph. --Snaptor (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
The current title format for fan-written stories (such as Saga Guides/Decadence by Dorek) is a bit strange. They're grouped under Saga Guides, but they're not saga guides, they're short stories. Stories by Greg follow the "[title]" format, so why should it be different for fan-written canon stories? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 02:44, 4 May 2017 (CET)
Names will be changed to "[title] by [author]"
Comments on fan created stories
Given that these are fan created stories, i think we should still note the author - i.e. [title by author] instead of simply [title]. if we removed saga guide from their title, would we also have to remove them from the saga guides' navigation box? if so, where would we put them? i know i only found those stories back in the day through those saga guides links, so i don't think we should make them harder for readers to find.
Another thing to consider, even though they're fan created, they're still official canon, right?
Aaaand one last thing on a bit of a tangent, were the images at the top of those story pages arbitrarily chosen, or were they specifically created for those pages, or what? Intelligence4 (talk) 06:25, 5 May 2017 (CET)
- 1) We could add them to the online story navigation box, all the official serials and short stories are there. 2) They were written for contests in which the winning stories would become canon, so yes. 3) The banners were chosen from pre-existing images, but I'm pretty sure the original versions didn't have them. Does anyone know why they were added? ~OnionShark 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)
Also, I noticed that among the Saga Guides are Birth of a Dark Hunter and The Crossing, should we change their titles too? They could go in the guides nav because BoaDH was in the Encyclopedia and TC was in the Glatorian mini books. ~OnionShark 14:18, 6 May 2017 (CET)
Can there be an option added for changing them to "Title by Author"? I feel like we should keep the authors' names even if we drop the cumbersome "Saga Guides," not because they're less canon, but just to acknowledge them as contest winners. --Master Inika (Talk) 01:43, 7 June 2017 (CET)
- done. i think we should leave them in the same navigation place they are now, i.e. in the saga guides navigation box. Intelligence4 (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2017 (CET)
- Sorry, little late haha, but yeah we're settled. We could remove these stories from the saga guide template and create a new navbox--maybe "Template:FanCreatedStoriesNav" or something. I don't think it's a big enough deal to merit another AfC proposal, so thoughts? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- I personally feel that it would be best (and I'm open to discussion on this, because I feel people will disagree) to change the "Online Story" navbox in order to add them in, they were all released online anyway. It does bring into question what should be done with stories like Birth of a Dark Hunter; perhaps the navbox should simply be changed to encompass all official short stories, or perhaps the ones that were released with text material should be found on the respective pages of said material, similar to what we did here. --Snaptor(talk) 01:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I've moved the pages from Saga Guides/Title by Author to Title by Author. Time for people to go after the various links and fix navigation before the redirects can be dropped and this actually closed. ζox• Histories
Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the Toa Mahri Dart Shooter or the Sponge Morbuzakh or even the Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives, which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --Snaptor (talk) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)
Page will be created.
Comments on merchandise
I think this will be a good page to have - but i think we have to be very careful in drawing the line between regular sets and stuff and all the ancillary merchandise that was available. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2017 (CET)
I found a TTV topic that has a huge list of this sort of thing. It obviously wouldn't qualify as an actual source, but it could certainly help as a sort of "checklist" to see exactly what sort of things we're looking for. Are we allowed to link to TTV here? (Also, on a more amusing note, I'm not sure I've seen something gather eight votes this quickly in ages, I was expecting this to be controversial. =P) Snaptor (talk) 11:10, 28 September 2017 (CET)
- I just realized this only technically counts as seven votes, oops. Snaptor (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2017 (CET)
Following Snaptor's idea, I think we should also have a comprehensive page for the various collectibles, including the wide-release collectibles like the Kanohi, krana, etc., as well as the more exclusive ones such as the TNGM, TOK, VMKK, MEK, platinum Avohkii, etc. Since collectibles have always been a fairly significant aspect of BIONICLE fandom, it's weird not to mention them on this wiki. —Planetperson 05:12, 25 September 2017 (CET)
Page will be created.
Comments on Collectibles
I've thought for a while that a collectibles section would be a good complement to the set database, but I obviously haven't taken the initiative to do anything more than think about it. I think the Kanoka page (with the addition of images) may serve as a good starting point; it's useful to understand which sets each collectible could be found in. These checklists made by Ektris may also come in handy.
With the large number of collectibles, it would probably make sense to split this up into subpages (e.g. Set:Collectibles/Kanohi, Set:Collectibles/Krana, etc.). The Kanohi page will still be a beast to organize; I'm not sure whether to try a grid-based system (like Kanohi#Known_Kanohi with added detail), or if it would be better to have some really tall tables, with all the mask photos/details arranged in columns. I have an idea for a new template that could be pretty neat that I may try to mock up in Excel, but I don't know if I'd be able to implement it within the wiki in any reasonable amount of time.
- I've been against this in the past for a few reasons, but I think it would be interesting to try especially now that we have the set database. Part of it is that it's so expansive and branches off into a bunch of different tangents... but at the same time I'm not really sure how I feel about sub-pages. Another is that there tends to be a lot of unofficial terms/fan jargon that accompany collectibles so it's hard to keep a lid on that. But I'd like to give it a shot.
- If we can get show/hide working (is that working?) it would make organizing a lot easier. I'll see about that. -- Dorek Talk 21:31, 25 September 2017 (CET)
- I made a rough Excel mock-up of the new template idea I had; I uploaded it to Google Docs, and you can download it with this link:  (the preview is bad, but the downloaded version should work). In theory, I think this could be implemented on the wiki as a modification of the template used to display tabs for different forms on character infoboxes, but I don't know if that would be more trouble than it's worth to actually code.
- I think it would probably be a good idea to document post-2003 Kanohi, even though they aren't particularly unique. However, that raises the question of whether to break things down by set or by mold (i.e. should Idris's blue Great Ruru go under 2004 or 2007?). But we can cross that bridge later. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 22:39, 25 September 2017 (CET)
- My mock-up only had four masks, since I threw it together pretty quickly, but my thought was that the final template would have dozens of mask images arranged in a grid on the left half (for instance, all the Kanohi released in 2001). When you clicked on a mask's picture, its details would appear in the right half. This way, we could have specific notes and set numbers for every color of every mask. In my mind, the two currently possible arrangements (without any new templates) would be either a table with hundreds of rows (one per mask/color combination), or a grid similar to Masks of Power#Masks with details listed under each mask. Both of those options would take up a lot of space, which is why I was thinking about a new template.
- I saw your sandbox, and while I think it would work well if we only wanted to list set numbers/notes on a per-shape basis, it may not work as well if we want to list different notes or different set numbers for different colors of the same mask shape. For instance, we'll probably want different notes for gray Hau, chrome Hau, infected Hau, solid gold Hau, etc.; I think it would be better to have each set of notes correlated to the individual image of each mask, as opposed to a bunch of Hau notes all in one place. I may try something soon. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 02:33, 26 September 2017 (CET)
Oh, I see where you're going. I love the idea, but lord knows how we'd go about executing it. I think a show/hide feature is easier with a general explanation at the top of each category, but I'll see what else we can do. -- Dorek Talk 04:00, 26 September 2017 (CET)
The collectibles topic on BZPower is a good reference for rare collectibles: .
So, we have lots of ideas of how to organize this thing. Personally, I don't think a big matrix for every possible combination of mask shape and color makes much sense, or even looks very good -- it's too sparse and not very space-efficient. It does make sense to put things in a table when they are part of a series -- the original Kanohi, the gold and silver Kanohi, the krana, the Kanoka, etc.
I propose we start with the simplest and clearest possible solution: list all collectibles in chronological order of release, and show things in a table when they are part of a series.
In my mind, these are the main points that cause uncertainty:
- What's the best way to display collectibles that are clearly part of a series, such as the original Kanohi, krana, etc.? Many of the collectible masks were included in sets or other merchandise (like the blue Pakari) and should include notes stating as such -- where do we show that information?
- What do we do with masks and disks that were not really available through collectible packs, but just came standard with certain sets? Examples: the McToran masks, the Metru Nui Matoran masks, the Vahki Kanoka, the Rahaga Rhotuka, the various colors of Zamor, etc. Do we mention them? Where?
- What do we do with the Toa Metru Masks, Toa Mahri masks, and other masks that clearly fit into the mask system, but were never part of a collectible pack series and just came as standard parts of sets? Do they really count as "collectibles"?
- What do we do with faux masks like the Toa Hordika heads and the Mistika Makuta heads? Are they worth mentioning just because they are called masks in the story?
- What do we do with rare, one-off collectibles like the Vahi, copper masks, TNGM, MEK, 14k gold Hau, silver Krana-Kal, etc.?
My answers to the above would be:
- Put anything that's in a series in its own table. Allow space in each cell for brief notes. If a note is really long for some reason, use a footnote.
- Show them, but don't include them in the same table as the collectible series, and explain where they came from.
- Hardly worth mentioning. If we mention them at all, don't include them in the main flow of the page. Maybe list the variants for each shape in a separate section at the bottom of the page.
- Not worth mentioning.
- Give each of them its own blurb. These are probably the most interesting and important part of the page.
As a side-note, it would be really great if we could get nice, clean photographs of each of the collectible pieces. It would be really nice to do this for the kraata, since the way the colors are described online does not match up with what the toys actually look like.
—Planetperson 13:48, 26 September 2017 (CET)
- I note you included the Toa Inika masks on your sandbox, even though they don't connect to heads the same way other Kanohi do. Wouldn't it be more consistent to remove them, as they're not "true" masks? --Angel Bob (talk) 17:06, 26 September 2017 (CET)
- I figured that some people would insist on including them. I prefer to keep them out too. —Planetperson 20:03, 26 September 2017 (CET)
- I'm really not for including stuff like misprints and mismolds (obvious exception being the Turaga/Gali masks from 2001). I'd really only like to include things that were designated AS collectibles to start with, otherwise we're just basically listing "masks and miscellanea" which dilutes the entire purpose.
- Would it make more sense to separate the page primarily by type instead of by year (i.e. all Kanohi together, then all Krana, etc., instead of all of 2001, then all of 2002, and so on)? For instance, I think it would be more convenient to have the gold and silver Mata Kanohi listed alongside their colored counterparts instead of separating them under 2001 and 2002 headers.
- I see the point about wanting the page to focus on items that were actually collectible, but I still think it's important to record the information for the Metru/Inika/etc. masks. What do you all think about having an entirely separate page called something like "Non-collectible Masks" where we could document all the Kanohi released 2004 and later (since the last mask packs released in 2003)? If it's separate, we could even include information on things like the Hordika masks/2009 helmets if we wanted. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 00:48, 27 September 2017 (CET)
- Isn't that just the Kanohi page? =P
- Joking aside, if this is going to fall under the umbrella of being set-focused, a year division works best. We're not really making this as a checklist for people; there are plenty of other places that do that already. I and my vote are more interested in delving into the history of collectibles, and how to contextualize it with BIONICLE's overall product structure. We can give mention to other things (i.e. "2004 also featured redesigned Kanohi masks, but unlike previous years, these masks did not tie in to a collecting aspect and were not a part of the theme's play features") but the page needs to stay on track, otherwise it's a pointless addition.
- Especially when you get to the helmets, you're basically saying that ANYTHING is a collectible if you try hard enough, and at what point are we acknowledging the aspect of sets THEMSELVES now being "collector's items"? Keep the focus narrowed to start, at least, and discussions can be made on how to expand later on. -- Dorek Talk 01:48, 27 September 2017 (CET)
- I see where you're coming from with misprints and mismolds. I think the same thing applies to prototypes. It's hard to make a canonical list. We only know what people report finding, so it's a bit chaotic. Some people really get into collecting particularly famous kinds though, especially the pearl gold Kraahkan and the five-hole Kraahkan, so I could go either way.
- No offense, but I hate click-to-show-info UIs. It's not printable, and I like to be able to see all the information at once. But maybe that's just me.
- As for VB's question about grouping by type: I would say no. I think it does make sense to do it your way in a checklist, because it looks prettier. In this case, I think it's better to group by pack, for two reasons. 1) Grouping by type gives the impression that the gold/silver masks were released at the same time as the originals. I prefer to emphasize the chronological order of release to the reader. I like chronological order because it removes any doubt about where things are supposed to go, and it's logical. 2) If they are grouped by type, then the krana pack needs to be mentioned in two separate places, once in the Kanohi section, and again in the krana section. Same with the Krana-Kal pack. If they are grouped by pack, I think it ends up being much cleaner.
- I would be okay with a section at the bottom listing the Metru-style Kanohi, like I have in my sandbox. At least some of them came out in different colors over the years. I don't think they merit their own page.
- I strongly echo Dorek's opinions on the page being more history-focused and on not including Inika masks and helmets. The page doesn't need to be another parts checklist.
- —Planetperson 06:36, 27 September 2017 (CET)
wow i sure have missed out on a big discussion. anyway, here are a few of my thoughts: what's the point of this page? all the collectibles that were available could/(should?) be under the sets page. also, anything that would go on this page is pretty much mentioned as its own page, unless i'm mistaken. (am i? please tell me) either way, if we were to create this page, i'd think it should just be a category of the merchandise page.Intelligence4 (talk) 00:52, 28 September 2017 (CET)
- There are several collectibles that didn't come in a pack or a set. Some of them do not have storyline significance and are not mentioned in existing wiki pages. For example: TNGM, orange Vahi, all the silver Krana-Kal, TOK, Kanoka 175, gold Hau, gold Kanoka, etc. I think it's also just nice to have a comprehensive list, which would be especially useful for readers not as familiar with the line or who just need a reference. —Planetperson 02:12, 28 September 2017 (CET)
Out of curiosity, will we list one of each color-blended collectable (like the infected Hau Nuva) or all four variants? Seeing as each color-blended collectable was released in four variants, I think the only reasonable option would be to simply include one entry for each (and maybe a related comment in the trivia section) but I'm open to discussion. --Snaptor(talk) 08:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
- With those, there were specifically four different blends, so we would note all of them. I'm not sure what other multiple blend-color variants there were? -- Dorek Talk 20:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone have saved/know about any high-resolution images of the color variants of the Turaga masks from 2001? I haven't been able to find any to download individually, but people must have used something to put together checklists, etc. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 21:54, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Move "Chutespeak/Treespeak" to "Chutespeak" or "Treespeak"
We've reconfigured things so mainspace articles whose titles contain slashes are now subpages. Currently Chutespeak/Treespeak is a subpage of Chutespeak, and we should change that. (Also, subpage argument aside, we did the same thing for Takua/Takanuva -> Takanuva.) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Move "Chutespeak/Treespeak" to "Chutespeak"
Move "Chutespeak/Treespeak" to "Treespeak"
- No fan has ever thought of this dialect's name as "Chutespeak" while searching on BS01. Treespeak is the better known name, and it's also more "up to date" within the story, e.g. Takanuva. --Angel Bob (talk) 04:10, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 04:48, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- This over chutespeak i guess. i still think it would be best to find a way to keep the slash though. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:06, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
- --Snaptor (talk) 02:27, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- --Master Inika (Talk) 02:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
- --~ Wolk (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
- "Also known as..." ζox• Histories
Don't move "Chutespeak/Treespeak"
Comments on Chutespeak/Treespeak
Name given to the slang used by residents of LE-METRU in METRU NUI."
— BIONICLE: Encyclopedia Updated
Slang spoken by LE-MATORAN of various islands."
— BIONICLE: Encyclopedia Updated
Gotcha. There's reasons to use Chutespeak (it is most recently used version, both chronologically and in-story), but I'm not fussy. Treespeak is likely more searched.
A vote would be good, but as far as me, I think we should go with Chutespeak-Treespeak. Chutespeak is soundly existent and I've always enjoyed such details so I think it should be included in the page name.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 01:12, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Do we know if Treespeak was renamed to Chutespeak again when the Matoran returned to Metru Nui? (On another note, we have enough votes to move the page, no?) -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Probably confirmed somewhere, but they reverted to all of their old names anyway (Nuri -> Nuhrii, etc.) so I can't imagine Chutespeak wouldn't have done the same. Maybe used interchangeably though? Is there any post-2005 story that actually uses the word for their dialect, aside from encyclopedias? -- Dorek Talk 06:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)