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BIONICLE Facebook Page

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This wiki should probably have some way of referencing the happenings of the Bionicle Facebook page, which often releases images and videos that are either exclusive or are not released on another source until later and hosts events such as contests. Bionicle websites have articles so it should seem logical that the facebook page should as well. Even if a page is not made, there should be some way of referencing events that unfold on the facebook page as well as images, videos, and other content. This could mean a nav template or a category of some form. Post your thoughts.

Someone wanna get cracking on a sandbox for this? --Angel Bob (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2016 (CET)
Would someone make a sandbox? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)

Addition of Fansite

Given that we have BZPower on here, I feel it only right to put Mask of Destiny on as well, and perhaps even The Toa's Hideout. However, Mask of Destiny actually has a good reason, as it is actually the longest running BIONICLE fansite with a forum on the web.


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Don't forget to sign your proposals, y'all. also, can we assume that, unless stated otherwise during the duration of the discussion, a proposal counts as a vote? meaning that if 6 people put their username under the yes section but one of them is the proposal writer, then there are in fact only 5 people who are voting yes. (avoiding the proposer's vote double counting.)Intelligence4 (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2017 (CET)

If we're doing so, a fellow who has the authority to do so should make sure to edit the clause on the policy page that explicitly prefers linking to other forum, with the exception of BZPower. Since the TTV MBs now incorporate our only consistent way of reaching Greg, such a change is long overdue by this point in time. Additionally, I don't really consider The Toa's Hideout to be especially notable; perhaps it could be added to an "other sites" page? Azani (talk) 02:52, 29 September 2017 (CET)
can we make a new rule that if something has been unanimously decided upon for several (say...4?) months, like this one, but it has less than 8 votes, that it gets passed anyway? if nobody has a dissenting opinion in 4 months then it should just be passed through. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

BioMedia Project

As it is a fairly extensive collection of Bionicle Generation 1 media, it seems like a page for BioMedia Project might be a worthwhile addition. To be honest, I'm not sure about some of their content, such as full scans of the various G1 comics-I'm not an expert but it seems like a copyright question-but what do y'all think?--Wiriamu (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2016 (CET)

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The only problem with copyright would be the scans of Glatorian Comics 3-7, as those were never published for free online. --OnionShark 21:19, 6 January 2017 (CET)

I'm pretty sure they were somewhere for free, considering I've read them and didn't have a comic subscription at the time they were published. I don't think it's an issue. Intelligence4 (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (CET)
Maybe you read scans on brickshelf? Do you think you could find the place where you read them so we can be sure that no copyright issues will come up?
--OnionShark 23:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)
The scans could be found on BrickShelf some years ago (I don't know they're still there). I remember for I tried to translate the comic, but the scans were kind of awful ones, nearly unreadable, so I couldn't xd... By the way, they were on Brickshelf. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:14, 10 January 2017 (CET)
another point to make, we're not posting the content ourselves, but simply linking to another site that does, so i don't think it's an issue.
also, we have links to all the comics on here somewhere anyway, so... Intelligence4 (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Ok, I guess this technically wont get us into trouble. (BTW, GC3-7 are not linked )
--OnionShark 17:27, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Eh, the original saga's comics were not released on the, but we have links for them. And comics 3-5 were released 8 years ago, the last two were released 7 years ago, I don't think there would be copyright issue, if the BioMedia Project is still active. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:34, 11 January 2017 (CET)

No, the original comics were released for free on the website. So, the page got six votes for yes, it will be made, right? --OnionShark 17:40, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Before we create the page we would need a Sandbox section, to see how it'll look like, I think. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)
It's exciting that this project has been voted in, as I have hoped to do something similar for some time, but I would warn that the Lego Company still retains full rights to these comics, and can at any time deem this project unallowed. Here is a link to the Lego Companies info on using copyrighted material, [1].--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 23:40, 21 June 2017 (CET)
Actually, having read the paragraph regarding the scanning of copyrighted material, it sounds as though the Lego group would not oppose what the BioMedia Project is doing as long as they make it clear that the content belongs to Lego (although arguably, the site hasn't made this particularly explicit). There is also a slight chance I'm misinterpreting this particular paragraph. --Snaptor (talk) 09:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Move all fan-created canon stories from "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]" to "[title]"

The current title format for fan-written stories (such as Saga Guides/Decadence by Dorek) is a bit strange. They're grouped under Saga Guides, but they're not saga guides, they're short stories. Stories by Greg follow the "[title]" format, so why should it be different for fan-written canon stories? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 02:44, 4 May 2017 (CET)

Names will be changed to "[title] by [author]"

Comments on fan created stories

Given that these are fan created stories, i think we should still note the author - i.e. [title by author] instead of simply [title]. if we removed saga guide from their title, would we also have to remove them from the saga guides' navigation box? if so, where would we put them? i know i only found those stories back in the day through those saga guides links, so i don't think we should make them harder for readers to find.

Another thing to consider, even though they're fan created, they're still official canon, right?

Aaaand one last thing on a bit of a tangent, were the images at the top of those story pages arbitrarily chosen, or were they specifically created for those pages, or what? Intelligence4 (talk) 06:25, 5 May 2017 (CET)

1) We could add them to the online story navigation box, all the official serials and short stories are there. 2) They were written for contests in which the winning stories would become canon, so yes. 3) The banners were chosen from pre-existing images, but I'm pretty sure the original versions didn't have them. Does anyone know why they were added? ~OnionShark 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)

Also, I noticed that among the Saga Guides are Birth of a Dark Hunter and The Crossing, should we change their titles too? They could go in the guides nav because BoaDH was in the Encyclopedia and TC was in the Glatorian mini books. ~OnionShark 14:18, 6 May 2017 (CET)

Can there be an option added for changing them to "Title by Author"? I feel like we should keep the authors' names even if we drop the cumbersome "Saga Guides," not because they're less canon, but just to acknowledge them as contest winners. --Master Inika (Talk) 01:43, 7 June 2017 (CET)

done. i think we should leave them in the same navigation place they are now, i.e. in the saga guides navigation box. Intelligence4 (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2017 (CET)
I agree, just because there's not really anywhere else to put them. --Master Inika (Talk) 05:33, 11 June 2017 (CET)
since this has 8 votes, isn't it decided now? Intelligence4 (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2017 (CET)
Sorry, little late haha, but yeah we're settled. We could remove these stories from the saga guide template and create a new navbox--maybe "Template:FanCreatedStoriesNav" or something. I don't think it's a big enough deal to merit another AfC proposal, so thoughts? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
I personally feel that it would be best (and I'm open to discussion on this, because I feel people will disagree) to change the "Online Story" navbox in order to add them in, they were all released online anyway. It does bring into question what should be done with stories like Birth of a Dark Hunter; perhaps the navbox should simply be changed to encompass all official short stories, or perhaps the ones that were released with text material should be found on the respective pages of said material, similar to what we did here. --Snaptor(talk) 01:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I've moved the pages from Saga Guides/Title by Author to Title by Author. Time for people to go after the various links and fix navigation before the redirects can be dropped and this actually closed. ζoxHistories External Image


Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the Toa Mahri Dart Shooter or the Sponge Morbuzakh or even the Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives, which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --Snaptor (talk) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)

Page will be created.

Comments on merchandise

I think this will be a good page to have - but i think we have to be very careful in drawing the line between regular sets and stuff and all the ancillary merchandise that was available. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I found a TTV topic that has a huge list of this sort of thing. It obviously wouldn't qualify as an actual source, but it could certainly help as a sort of "checklist" to see exactly what sort of things we're looking for. Are we allowed to link to TTV here? (Also, on a more amusing note, I'm not sure I've seen something gather eight votes this quickly in ages, I was expecting this to be controversial. =P) Snaptor (talk) 11:10, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I just realized this only technically counts as seven votes, oops. Snaptor (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2017 (CET)
MY VOTE COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING -- Dorek Talk External Image 03:39, 29 September 2017 (CET)


Following Snaptor's idea, I think we should also have a comprehensive page for the various collectibles, including the wide-release collectibles like the Kanohi, krana, etc., as well as the more exclusive ones such as the TNGM, TOK, VMKK, MEK, platinum Avohkii, etc. Since collectibles have always been a fairly significant aspect of BIONICLE fandom, it's weird not to mention them on this wiki. —Planetperson 05:12, 25 September 2017 (CET)

Page will be created.

Comments on Collectibles

I've thought for a while that a collectibles section would be a good complement to the set database, but I obviously haven't taken the initiative to do anything more than think about it. I think the Kanoka page (with the addition of images) may serve as a good starting point; it's useful to understand which sets each collectible could be found in. These checklists made by Ektris may also come in handy.

With the large number of collectibles, it would probably make sense to split this up into subpages (e.g. Set:Collectibles/Kanohi, Set:Collectibles/Krana, etc.). The Kanohi page will still be a beast to organize; I'm not sure whether to try a grid-based system (like Kanohi#Known_Kanohi with added detail), or if it would be better to have some really tall tables, with all the mask photos/details arranged in columns. I have an idea for a new template that could be pretty neat that I may try to mock up in Excel, but I don't know if I'd be able to implement it within the wiki in any reasonable amount of time.

I probably don't have time to put a sandbox together on my own, but I'd like to try to help out if someone else starts one. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 17:31, 25 September 2017 (CET)

I've been against this in the past for a few reasons, but I think it would be interesting to try especially now that we have the set database. Part of it is that it's so expansive and branches off into a bunch of different tangents... but at the same time I'm not really sure how I feel about sub-pages. Another is that there tends to be a lot of unofficial terms/fan jargon that accompany collectibles so it's hard to keep a lid on that. But I'd like to give it a shot.
If we can get show/hide working (is that working?) it would make organizing a lot easier. I'll see about that. -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:31, 25 September 2017 (CET)
Edit: sandbox -- Dorek Talk External Image 22:28, 25 September 2017 (CET)
I made a rough Excel mock-up of the new template idea I had; I uploaded it to Google Docs, and you can download it with this link: [2] (the preview is bad, but the downloaded version should work). In theory, I think this could be implemented on the wiki as a modification of the template used to display tabs for different forms on character infoboxes, but I don't know if that would be more trouble than it's worth to actually code.
I think it would probably be a good idea to document post-2003 Kanohi, even though they aren't particularly unique. However, that raises the question of whether to break things down by set or by mold (i.e. should Idris's blue Great Ruru go under 2004 or 2007?). But we can cross that bridge later. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 22:39, 25 September 2017 (CET)
Interesting, but it might take up a lot of room... or maybe I'm not understanding the template exactly. I'll try a standard configuration before experimenting first. -- Dorek Talk External Image 01:10, 26 September 2017 (CET)
My mock-up only had four masks, since I threw it together pretty quickly, but my thought was that the final template would have dozens of mask images arranged in a grid on the left half (for instance, all the Kanohi released in 2001). When you clicked on a mask's picture, its details would appear in the right half. This way, we could have specific notes and set numbers for every color of every mask. In my mind, the two currently possible arrangements (without any new templates) would be either a table with hundreds of rows (one per mask/color combination), or a grid similar to Masks of Power#Masks with details listed under each mask. Both of those options would take up a lot of space, which is why I was thinking about a new template.
I saw your sandbox, and while I think it would work well if we only wanted to list set numbers/notes on a per-shape basis, it may not work as well if we want to list different notes or different set numbers for different colors of the same mask shape. For instance, we'll probably want different notes for gray Hau, chrome Hau, infected Hau, solid gold Hau, etc.; I think it would be better to have each set of notes correlated to the individual image of each mask, as opposed to a bunch of Hau notes all in one place. I may try something soon. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 02:33, 26 September 2017 (CET)

Oh, I see where you're going. I love the idea, but lord knows how we'd go about executing it. I think a show/hide feature is easier with a general explanation at the top of each category, but I'll see what else we can do. -- Dorek Talk External Image 04:00, 26 September 2017 (CET)

The collectibles topic on BZPower is a good reference for rare collectibles: [3].

So, we have lots of ideas of how to organize this thing. Personally, I don't think a big matrix for every possible combination of mask shape and color makes much sense, or even looks very good -- it's too sparse and not very space-efficient. It does make sense to put things in a table when they are part of a series -- the original Kanohi, the gold and silver Kanohi, the krana, the Kanoka, etc.

I propose we start with the simplest and clearest possible solution: list all collectibles in chronological order of release, and show things in a table when they are part of a series.

In my mind, these are the main points that cause uncertainty:

  1. What's the best way to display collectibles that are clearly part of a series, such as the original Kanohi, krana, etc.? Many of the collectible masks were included in sets or other merchandise (like the blue Pakari) and should include notes stating as such -- where do we show that information?
  2. What do we do with masks and disks that were not really available through collectible packs, but just came standard with certain sets? Examples: the McToran masks, the Metru Nui Matoran masks, the Vahki Kanoka, the Rahaga Rhotuka, the various colors of Zamor, etc. Do we mention them? Where?
  3. What do we do with the Toa Metru Masks, Toa Mahri masks, and other masks that clearly fit into the mask system, but were never part of a collectible pack series and just came as standard parts of sets? Do they really count as "collectibles"?
  4. What do we do with faux masks like the Toa Hordika heads and the Mistika Makuta heads? Are they worth mentioning just because they are called masks in the story?
  5. What do we do with rare, one-off collectibles like the Vahi, copper masks, TNGM, MEK, 14k gold Hau, silver Krana-Kal, etc.?

My answers to the above would be:

  1. Put anything that's in a series in its own table. Allow space in each cell for brief notes. If a note is really long for some reason, use a footnote.
  2. Show them, but don't include them in the same table as the collectible series, and explain where they came from.
  3. Hardly worth mentioning. If we mention them at all, don't include them in the main flow of the page. Maybe list the variants for each shape in a separate section at the bottom of the page.
  4. Not worth mentioning.
  5. Give each of them its own blurb. These are probably the most interesting and important part of the page.

As a side-note, it would be really great if we could get nice, clean photographs of each of the collectible pieces. It would be really nice to do this for the kraata, since the way the colors are described online does not match up with what the toys actually look like.

Planetperson 13:48, 26 September 2017 (CET)

I sketched out my idea in a sandbox. —Planetperson 15:47, 26 September 2017 (CET)

I note you included the Toa Inika masks on your sandbox, even though they don't connect to heads the same way other Kanohi do. Wouldn't it be more consistent to remove them, as they're not "true" masks? --Angel Bob (talk) 17:06, 26 September 2017 (CET)
I figured that some people would insist on including them. I prefer to keep them out too. —Planetperson 20:03, 26 September 2017 (CET)
I'm really not for including stuff like misprints and mismolds (obvious exception being the Turaga/Gali masks from 2001). I'd really only like to include things that were designated AS collectibles to start with, otherwise we're just basically listing "masks and miscellanea" which dilutes the entire purpose.
It looks like we could theoretically do a click-based table, which would solve a lot of problems, but until we get that operational, I would say just plain tables and then section it up like it is on my sandbox. Kraata's gonna be the tricky one for sure. -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:57, 26 September 2017 (CET)
Would it make more sense to separate the page primarily by type instead of by year (i.e. all Kanohi together, then all Krana, etc., instead of all of 2001, then all of 2002, and so on)? For instance, I think it would be more convenient to have the gold and silver Mata Kanohi listed alongside their colored counterparts instead of separating them under 2001 and 2002 headers.
I see the point about wanting the page to focus on items that were actually collectible, but I still think it's important to record the information for the Metru/Inika/etc. masks. What do you all think about having an entirely separate page called something like "Non-collectible Masks" where we could document all the Kanohi released 2004 and later (since the last mask packs released in 2003)? If it's separate, we could even include information on things like the Hordika masks/2009 helmets if we wanted. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 00:48, 27 September 2017 (CET)
Isn't that just the Kanohi page? =P
Joking aside, if this is going to fall under the umbrella of being set-focused, a year division works best. We're not really making this as a checklist for people; there are plenty of other places that do that already. I and my vote are more interested in delving into the history of collectibles, and how to contextualize it with BIONICLE's overall product structure. We can give mention to other things (i.e. "2004 also featured redesigned Kanohi masks, but unlike previous years, these masks did not tie in to a collecting aspect and were not a part of the theme's play features") but the page needs to stay on track, otherwise it's a pointless addition.
Especially when you get to the helmets, you're basically saying that ANYTHING is a collectible if you try hard enough, and at what point are we acknowledging the aspect of sets THEMSELVES now being "collector's items"? Keep the focus narrowed to start, at least, and discussions can be made on how to expand later on. -- Dorek Talk External Image 01:48, 27 September 2017 (CET)
Okay, if you were thinking that this page would be written more from a historical point of view than a utilitarian one, then that makes sense. I was coming more from a build-a-better-checklist perspective. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2017 (CET)
I see where you're coming from with misprints and mismolds. I think the same thing applies to prototypes. It's hard to make a canonical list. We only know what people report finding, so it's a bit chaotic. Some people really get into collecting particularly famous kinds though, especially the pearl gold Kraahkan and the five-hole Kraahkan, so I could go either way.
No offense, but I hate click-to-show-info UIs. It's not printable, and I like to be able to see all the information at once. But maybe that's just me.
As for VB's question about grouping by type: I would say no. I think it does make sense to do it your way in a checklist, because it looks prettier. In this case, I think it's better to group by pack, for two reasons. 1) Grouping by type gives the impression that the gold/silver masks were released at the same time as the originals. I prefer to emphasize the chronological order of release to the reader. I like chronological order because it removes any doubt about where things are supposed to go, and it's logical. 2) If they are grouped by type, then the krana pack needs to be mentioned in two separate places, once in the Kanohi section, and again in the krana section. Same with the Krana-Kal pack. If they are grouped by pack, I think it ends up being much cleaner.
I would be okay with a section at the bottom listing the Metru-style Kanohi, like I have in my sandbox. At least some of them came out in different colors over the years. I don't think they merit their own page.
I strongly echo Dorek's opinions on the page being more history-focused and on not including Inika masks and helmets. The page doesn't need to be another parts checklist.
Planetperson 06:36, 27 September 2017 (CET)

wow i sure have missed out on a big discussion. anyway, here are a few of my thoughts: what's the point of this page? all the collectibles that were available could/(should?) be under the sets page. also, anything that would go on this page is pretty much mentioned as its own page, unless i'm mistaken. (am i? please tell me) either way, if we were to create this page, i'd think it should just be a category of the merchandise page.Intelligence4 (talk) 00:52, 28 September 2017 (CET)

There are several collectibles that didn't come in a pack or a set. Some of them do not have storyline significance and are not mentioned in existing wiki pages. For example: TNGM, orange Vahi, all the silver Krana-Kal, TOK, Kanoka 175, gold Hau, gold Kanoka, etc. I think it's also just nice to have a comprehensive list, which would be especially useful for readers not as familiar with the line or who just need a reference. —Planetperson 02:12, 28 September 2017 (CET)

Out of curiosity, will we list one of each color-blended collectable (like the infected Hau Nuva) or all four variants? Seeing as each color-blended collectable was released in four variants, I think the only reasonable option would be to simply include one entry for each (and maybe a related comment in the trivia section) but I'm open to discussion. --Snaptor(talk) 08:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

With those, there were specifically four different blends, so we would note all of them. I'm not sure what other multiple blend-color variants there were? -- Dorek Talk External Image 20:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Recently, a lego designer revealed that all bionicle parts that used a two-color blend were produced in the same way; in groups of four. --Snaptor(talk) 05:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Does anyone have saved/know about any high-resolution images of the color variants of the Turaga masks from 2001? I haven't been able to find any to download individually, but people must have used something to put together checklists, etc. --Volitak Boxor (talk) 21:54, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Move Lightning Bug to "Electric Bug"

Directly from the Talk:Lightning Bug page:

Aren't the Lightning Bugs from the MNOG and the Electrict Bugs from the QftT are the very same Rahi? They both appeared in Le-Wahi, have the exact same powers (as seen in both games) only the color scheme varies. Judging on their visual depictions they look exactly the same, only in different angles, so I think it's safe the assume that these 2 Rahi are the same, and we can include the information about the Electric Bugs on this page. And off cource include the QftT as a canonical appearance. And 'cause neither of them are mentioned at all in the BEU, we can use the nickname banner for this Rahi. — SurelNuva (Talk) 16:42, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Quite honestly, I agree with you that the "Lightning Bug" is just a variation of the Electric Bug. It makes a lot of sense. After all, Occam's Razor would suggest that these two Rahi that appeared in the same setting (Le-Wahi) in the same year (2001) with the same abilities (electricity) and similar appearances would most likely be the same Rahi.
However, I wouldn't say they look exactly the same. Close analysis of the Electric Bug sprites suggests that it would be built something like this, which has some noticeable differences from the "Lightning Bug" (such as the eyes being spaced farther apart and the beak being pointed downward). On the other hand, various QftT Rahi have notably different builds from other media (see Hikaki and Mahi), so this argument does not necessarily refute the point.
What I would personally suggest is that, instead of just listing the Electric Bug info on this page, we rename the "Lightning Bug" article to "Electric Bug". The difference between the two names is that, while neither have been referenced in a canonical source, "Lightning Bug" is a fan nickname while "Electric Bug" actually does come from a published source. If I remember correctly, someone asked Greg if BS01 could call it "Lightning Bug" in the absence of a preexisting name... "Electric Bug" may very well be that preexisting name. In that case, this is a discussion that would be best taken to the AfC. --PeabodySam (talk) 17:25, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Elaborating on that last point. Here are the two instances where the name "Lightning Bug" was brought to Greg Farshtey:
  • Nov 12, 2007, 3:57 PM - Wrinkledlion X asks if "Lightning Bug" can be used as a fan-term. Greg replies, "Fine by me"
  • Aug 12, 2010, 1:34 PM - Wrinkledlion X wants Greg's approval to use the term "Lightning Bug" in his entry for the Stasis Toa Contest. Greg replies "It's okay," but also expresses reluctance to give a Rahi the same name as a real life animal. It should be noted that Wrinkledion X's entry did not win the contest, so that is not a conflicting issue here.
So technically, Greg did give approval for "Lightning Bug" as a term that could be used in canon, but he did so reluctantly and never gave a strong "yes" as an answer. Additionally, the question was most likely asked without prior knowledge of a preexisting name for the bug, therefore unintentionally biasing the question and answer. --PeabodySam (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

SurelNuva (Talk) 18:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Move to "Electric Bug"

The page will be made.

Merge the two Rahi bugs, don't move to "Electric Bug"

Don't merge the two Rahi bugs

Comments on Lightning Bug

@Wolk: The "Lightning Bug" varies a bit in size during the MNOLG. The one on Onua's shoulder is fairly small, for example. However, the one seen next to Kumo (or, at least, his lookalike) is much closer in scale to what you might expect from looking at the Electric Bug. So, I don't think size difference matters that much. --PeabodySam (talk) 19:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Wolk, the sizes don't really matter. We know that certain Rahi grow in size, like the Ussal crab, so it's Not impossible that the Lightning/Electric Bug also do growing. And if the Electric Bug is the more canon name, then it should be the one of the merged page.— SurelNuva (Talk) 22:16, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

After looking back at footage of the Electric Bug, I have changed my opinion. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Just thought of one more point in support of merging the two Rahi. If I remember correctly, every single other prominently-featured Rahi in MNOLG appears in some other media. You have the 2001 Rahi and the Master Builder Rahi, of course, but then you also have more obscure Rahi like the Mahi (which appears in QftT with a notably different build) and that unnamed fish with the hook-shaped dorsal fin (which appears in Quest for the Masks and The Legend of Mata Nui). It would seem very unlikely that there would be just one single exception (i.e. the "Lightning Bug") to that rule. --PeabodySam (talk) 18:53, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

For reference, I just put together an example of the Electric Bug page in my Sandbox. --PeabodySam (talk) 23:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Clock set pages

"7397 Bionicle Clock", "Set:4193353 Bionicle Tahu Nuva Clock" and "4285303 Bionicle Clock" were three sets released in 2002, 2003 and 2007 respectively. You can find them on Bricklink or Brickset if you want to see images. Yes, these technically count as "gear", however they are built up out of pieces. What particularily makes me interested in making pages for these sets though is that 7397 includes a red noble Ruru, which has other wise only been released as a misprint. ~ Wolk (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Create Set:7397, Set:4193353, Set:4285303

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  2. Planetperson 22:28, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Do not create Clock set pages

  1. I feel like these would belong on a page with other Merchandise-related content, but individual pages for each clock seems like opening a can of worms (what does/does not constitute a set?) --Snaptor(talk) 08:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Comments on Clock sets

So to broaden this out even further, there's stuff like the Trading Card Game which may have included LEGO elements or may not have which have set numbers, and things like T-shirts too. I'd argue it's an all or nothing gambit; either everything that has a set number, or keep it to the core buildable figures. -- Dorek Talk External Image 04:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Style Guides

Style Guides! What are they? How do they work? Are they related to magnets? All this and more could be learned! I might just make the page anyway, but that's because I do what I want! -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Create Style Guides

  1. -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
  2. I see no reason as to why not. ~ Wolk (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
  3. yes, obviously Intelligence4 (talk) 18:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
  4. --Creep 16:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
  5. --Snaptor(talk) 21:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  6. Sure. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)

Do Not Create Style Guides


Of the ones been put online so far, there's 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008... and I think that's it? -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Makutafest archives

I'm putting this here for lack of better place. A year ago i asked Swert about making a Makuta fest archives, and he said he would do it, but it never happened, so i'm restarting here. The Makutafest Archives would be for people like myself who do not have access to Yo**ube. I enjoyed listening to makutafest, but when the BS01 podast site went down, i wasn't able to listen to them anymore. Swert also said that he would upload the podcast downloads to this site but that didn't happen either. So i am proposing that we make a page were all the Makutafest videos and/or recordings could be stored for posterity and pleasure. Thank you. --"On the bounce and on the numbers, boys!!" ~Prof. Srlojohn 19:09, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Create Makutafest Archives

--"On the bounce and on the numbers, boys!!" ~Prof. Srlojohn 11:45, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Don't Create Makutafest Archives


Just wanted to add onto this and say that the rest of the BS01 podcast doesn't seem to be accessible anywhere either; if we can do this (and I'd like to hear if anyone actually has the files before I vote) I'd like to see the other podcasts archived as well. --Snaptor(talk) 01:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Snaptor: yeah i know Swert has them because he told me himself via email. --"On the bounce and on the numbers, boys!!" ~Prof. Srlojohn 11:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Music of the BIONICLE films

If the topic is deemed worthy of its own separate article, I would very much like to create one for the soundtracks to the Bionicle movies. I believe a suitable title would be "Music of the BIONICLE films". The Music article would be given a link to it at the top of the "Movie Scores" section (e.g. Main article: Music of the BIONICLE films).

This article would encompass the full details of the Miramax trilogy soundtrack releases as well as their history, using as much data about them as I can find. It would cover subjects such as how Nathan Furst was initially brought on board to score the films, why they remained unreleased for such a long time, and the efforts made to release portions of the score prior to the official releases. It would also include any available information on the score of The Legend Reborn; even though that film has not been given a soundtrack release, it is possible there could be one in the future. It would not include information about the music of The Journey to One since that is a web series and not technically a movie.

I believe this topic is worthy of its own article due to the large amount of relevant information about it, in contrast to the other sections of the main Music article. I would, of course, be happy to assume responsibility for creating and maintaining the article.

Please post your thoughts below; any support would be greatly appreciated. I'd really love to be able to move ahead with this article.


Create Music of the Bionicle Films Page

  1. Definitely. —Planetperson 22:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
  2. I like this idea :D — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Don't Create Music of the Bionicle Films Page

  1. As much as I love these soundtracks, I can't see them warranting their own page, although I agree that the information on the Music page is lacking. I feel that any relevant info on these albums should either be added there, or on the page for Nathan Furst (which is another page that could use a rewrite). --Snaptor(talk) 01:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Comments on Music of the Bionicle Films Page

In response to Snaptor's comment in the "No" section at 01:29, 23 August 2018: Some of the information I had hoped to include in the proposed article is actually stuff I previously put on the Music page in the Movie Scores section, but another user seemed to think it was too excessive for that page and removed most of it (while also suggesting that I try to AFC a page). --Metalla (talk) 02:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

That was probably me! Personally, I find a lot of it extraneous. I don't need to know where in Web of Shadows that minutes 1:05-2:37 of song 23 appear. We're not a Furst fanpage, no offense to the guy. The information needs to be relevant to more than just itself. -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Understandable. This is why I feel a separate page would be a worthy undertaking, as there is a fair bit of information on these scores that people may like to explore and/or simply have a comprehensive database to refer to. Of course, I wouldn't include information that's just plain unnecessary like, say, a detailed list of where each track appears. --Metalla (talk) 03:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I think if Metalla wants to spend his personal time contributing useful information to this wiki, even if some of you find it more detailed than necessary, there's no good reason not to let him go ahead and do it. —Planetperson 00:00, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Planetperson, I appreciate the support! --Metalla (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
While I do appreciate Metalla's enthusiasm here, and also agree that we could most definitely use more information on the soundtracks, there is a point where, even on an extensive wiki such as this, there can be simply too much information. Imagine if we went to Greg Farshtey's page and added everything we know about him from the ask Greg topics over the years; nobody needs to know what his favorite pizza topping is (seriously, I think someone did actually ask that). If we really want to make pages for these soundtracks, we should make one for each album (I feel a page for an actual album release is plenty justifiable if we have pages for fifteen second flash animations and the like). I just don't think we should make one, big page that would likely end up reading like a Nathan Furst fan tribute; as awesome as he and his soundtracks are, this is still a wiki and should remain objective. I support the movement for more information on these soundtracks, we just need to think about how we go about doing it. Individual album pages would have my vote, as long as we are discerning with exactly what we put on them. --Snaptor(talk) 01:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
I get what you're saying. But given the amount of verifiable information that's currently available on the soundtracks (keep in mind it's only 3 albums, maybe eventually 4 if we're lucky), I really think a single cumulative page would be the best fit, at least for now. It would be better to have a page that encompasses all of the soundtracks in a complete and concise way rather than have multiple pages that are fairly short and contain redundant information. I would of course be very open to edits by other users, especially since there could be additional relevant information I am leaving out. --Metalla (talk) 04:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)