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== BIONICLE Facebook Page ==
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::Would someone make a sandbox? -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)
 
::Would someone make a sandbox? -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)
 
== Addition of Fansite ==
 
 
Given that we have BZPower on here, I feel it only right to put Mask of Destiny on as well, and perhaps even The Toa's Hideout.  However, Mask of Destiny actually has a good reason, as it is actually the longest running BIONICLE fansite with a forum on the web.
 
 
--[[User:Baxor]]
 
 
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===Comments===
 
Don't forget to sign your proposals, y'all. also, can we assume that, unless stated otherwise during the duration of the discussion, a proposal counts as a vote? meaning that if 6 people put their username under the yes section but one of them is the proposal writer, then there are in fact only 5 people who are voting yes. (avoiding the proposer's vote double counting.)[[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:34, 6 March 2017 (CET)
 
 
:If we're doing so, a fellow who has the authority to do so should make sure to edit the clause on the policy page that explicitly prefers linking to other forum, with the exception of BZPower. Since the TTV MBs now incorporate our only consistent way of reaching Greg, such a change is long overdue by this point in time. Additionally, I don't really consider ''The Toa's Hideout'' to be especially notable; perhaps it could be added to an "other sites" page? [[User:Azani|Azani]] ([[User talk:Azani|talk]]) 02:52, 29 September 2017 (CET)
 
 
::can we make a new rule that if something has been unanimously decided upon for several (say...4?) months, like this one, but it has less than 8 votes, that it gets passed anyway? if nobody has a dissenting opinion in 4 months then it should just be passed through. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 23:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 
 
== BioMedia Project ==
 
 
As it is a fairly extensive collection of Bionicle Generation 1 media, it seems like a page for [http://biomediaproject.com/bmp/ BioMedia Project] might be a worthwhile addition. To be honest, I'm not sure about some of their content, such as full scans of the various G1 comics-I'm not an expert but it seems like a copyright question-but what do y'all think?--[[User:Wiriamu|Wiriamu]] ([[User talk:Wiriamu|talk]]) 08:31, 17 December 2016 (CET)
 
 
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=== Comments ===
 
The only problem with copyright would be the scans of Glatorian Comics 3-7, as those were never published for free online.
 
--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 21:19, 6 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
:I'm pretty sure they were somewhere for free, considering I've read them and didn't have a comic subscription at the time they were published. I don't think it's an issue. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
:Maybe you read scans on brickshelf? Do you think you could find the place where you read them so we can be sure that no copyright issues will come up?
 
:--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 23:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
::The scans could be found on BrickShelf some years ago (I don't know they're still there). I remember for I tried to translate the comic, but the scans were kind of awful ones, nearly unreadable, so I couldn't xd... By the way, they were on Brickshelf. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:14, 10 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
:::another point to make, we're not posting the content ourselves, but simply linking to another site that does, so i don't think it's an issue.
 
:::also, we have links to all the comics on here somewhere anyway, so... [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 16:58, 11 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
::::Ok, I guess this technically wont get us into trouble. (BTW, GC3-7 are not linked )
 
::::--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:27, 11 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
::::Eh, the original saga's comics were not released on the BIONICLE.com, but we have links for them. And comics 3-5 were released 8 years ago, the last two were released 7 years ago, I don't think there would be copyright issue, if the BioMedia Project is still active. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:34, 11 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
No, the original comics ''were'' released for free on the website. So, the page got six votes for yes, it will be made, right?
 
--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:40, 11 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
:Before we create the page we would need a [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox|Sandbox section]], to see how it'll look like, I think. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)
 
 
: It's exciting that this project has been voted in, as I have hoped to do something similar for some time, but I would warn that the Lego Company still retains full rights to these comics, and can at any time deem this project unallowed. Here is a link to the Lego Companies info on using copyrighted material, [https://www.lego.com/en-us/legal/legal-notice/fair-play].--[[User:HarsulinsGhost|Harsulin&#39;s Ghost]] ([[User talk:HarsulinsGhost|talk]]) 23:40, 21 June 2017 (CET)
 
 
:: Actually, having read the paragraph regarding the scanning of copyrighted material, it sounds as though the Lego group would not oppose what the BioMedia Project is doing as long as they make it clear that the content belongs to Lego (although arguably, the site hasn't made this particularly explicit). There is also a slight chance I'm misinterpreting this particular paragraph. --[[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]] ([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 09:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 
 
== Move all fan-created canon stories from "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]" to "[title]" ==
 
 
The current title format for fan-written stories (such as [[Saga Guides/Decadence by Dorek]]) is a bit strange. They're grouped under Saga Guides, but they're not saga guides, they're short stories. Stories by Greg follow the "[title]" format, so why should it be different for fan-written canon stories? -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 02:44, 4 May 2017 (CET)
 
 
'''Names will be changed to "[title] by [author]"
 
 
===Comments on fan created stories===
 
Given that these are  fan created stories, i think we should still note the author - i.e. [title by author] instead of simply [title]. if we removed saga guide from their title, would we also have to remove them from the saga guides' navigation box? if so, where would we put them? i know i only found those stories back in the day through those saga guides links, so i don't think we should make them harder for readers to find.
 
 
Another thing to consider, even though they're fan created, they're still official canon, right?
 
 
Aaaand one last thing on a bit of a tangent, were the images at the top of those story pages arbitrarily chosen, or were they specifically created for those pages, or what? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 06:25, 5 May 2017 (CET)
 
 
:1) We could add them to the online story navigation box, all the official serials and short stories are there. 2) They were written for contests in which the winning stories would become canon, so yes. 3) The banners were chosen from pre-existing images, but I'm pretty sure the original versions didn't have them. Does anyone know why they were added? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)
 
Also, I noticed that among the Saga Guides are Birth of a Dark Hunter and The Crossing, should we change their titles too? They could go in the guides nav because BoaDH was in the Encyclopedia and TC was in the Glatorian mini books. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 14:18, 6 May 2017 (CET)
 
 
Can there be an option added for changing them to "Title by Author"? I feel like we should keep the authors' names even if we drop the cumbersome "Saga Guides," not because they're less canon, but just to acknowledge them as contest winners. --<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 01:43, 7 June 2017 (CET)
 
 
:done. i think we should leave them in the same navigation place they are now, i.e. in the saga guides navigation box. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 21:43, 10 June 2017 (CET)
 
 
::I agree, just because there's not really anywhere else to put them. --<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font>  05:33, 11 June 2017 (CET)
 
 
:::since this has 8 votes, isn't it decided now? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 00:46, 28 September 2017 (CET)
 
 
:::Sorry, little late haha, but yeah we're settled. We could remove these stories from the saga guide template and create a new navbox--maybe "Template:FanCreatedStoriesNav" or something. I don't think it's a big enough deal to merit another AfC proposal, so thoughts? -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 00:11, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 
 
:::: I personally feel that it would be best (and I'm open to discussion on this, because I feel people will disagree) to change the "[[Template:OnlineStoryNav|Online Story]]" navbox in order to add them in, they were all released online anyway. It does bring into question what should be done with stories like [[Birth of a Dark Hunter]]; perhaps the navbox should simply be changed to encompass all official short stories, or perhaps the ones that were released with text material should be found on the respective pages of said material, similar to what we did [[BIONICLE Legends 8: Downfall#Matoro's Final Moments|here]]. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 01:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 
I've moved the pages from Saga Guides/Title by Author to Title by Author. Time for people to go after the various links and fix navigation before the redirects can be dropped and this actually closed. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
 
  
  
 
==Merchandise==
 
==Merchandise==
 
Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the [[Cordak Blasters#Set Information|Toa Mahri Dart Shooter]] or the [[Morbuzakh#Trivia|Sponge Morbuzakh]] or even the [[Takadox#Set Information|Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives]], which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --[[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]] ([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)
 
Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the [[Cordak Blasters#Set Information|Toa Mahri Dart Shooter]] or the [[Morbuzakh#Trivia|Sponge Morbuzakh]] or even the [[Takadox#Set Information|Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives]], which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --[[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]] ([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)
 
  
 
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::MY VOTE COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  03:39, 29 September 2017 (CET)
 
::MY VOTE COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  03:39, 29 September 2017 (CET)
  
== Collectibles ==
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==Music of the BIONICLE films==
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If the topic is deemed worthy of its own separate article, I would very much like to create one for the soundtracks to the Bionicle movies. I believe a suitable title would be "Music of the BIONICLE films". The [[Music]] article would be given a link to it at the top of the "Movie Scores" section (e.g. ''Main article: Music of the BIONICLE films'').
  
Following Snaptor's idea, I think we should also have a comprehensive page for the various collectibles, including the wide-release collectibles like the Kanohi, krana, etc., as well as the more exclusive ones such as the TNGM, TOK, VMKK, MEK, platinum Avohkii, etc. Since collectibles have always been a fairly significant aspect of BIONICLE fandom, it's weird not to mention them on this wiki. —[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 05:12, 25 September 2017 (CET)
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This article would encompass the full details of the Miramax trilogy soundtrack releases as well as their history, using as much data about them as I can find. It would cover subjects such as how Nathan Furst was initially brought on board to score the films, why they remained unreleased for such a long time, and the efforts made to release portions of the score prior to the official releases. It would also include any available information on the score of ''The Legend Reborn''; even though that film has not been given a soundtrack release, it is possible there could be one in the future. It would '''not''' include information about the music of ''The Journey to One'' since that is a web series and not technically a movie.
  
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I believe this topic is worthy of its own article due to the large amount of relevant information about it, in contrast to the other sections of the main Music article. I would, of course, be happy to assume responsibility for creating and maintaining the article.
  
=== Comments on Collectibles===
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Please post your thoughts below; any support would be greatly appreciated. I'd really love to be able to move ahead with this article.
I've thought for a while that a collectibles section would be a good complement to the set database, but I obviously haven't taken the initiative to do anything more than think about it. I think the [[Kanoka#Set_Information|Kanoka]] page (with the addition of images) may serve as a good starting point; it's useful to understand which sets each collectible could be found in. These [http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=557522 checklists] made by [[User:Electric_Turahk|Ektris]] may also come in handy.
 
  
With the large number of collectibles, it would probably make sense to split this up into subpages (e.g. Set:Collectibles/Kanohi, Set:Collectibles/Krana, etc.).  The Kanohi page will still be a beast to organize; I'm not sure whether to try a grid-based system (like [[Kanohi#Known_Kanohi]] with added detail), or if it would be better to have some really tall tables, with all the mask photos/details arranged in columns.  I have an idea for a new template that could be pretty neat that I may try to mock up in Excel, but I don't know if I'd be able to implement it within the wiki in any reasonable amount of time.
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--[[User:Metalla]]
  
I probably don't have time to put a sandbox together on my own, but I'd like to try to help out if someone else starts one. --[[User:Volitak Boxor|Volitak Boxor]] ([[User talk:Volitak Boxor|talk]]) 17:31, 25 September 2017 (CET)
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===Create Music of the Bionicle Films Page===
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# Definitely. —[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 22:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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# I like this idea :D — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 23:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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# Seeing as each is it's own release, i say a separate page --"LBX battle on!!!" <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 17:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  
:I've been against this in the past for a few reasons, but I think it would be interesting to try especially now that we have the set database. Part of it is that it's so expansive and branches off into a bunch of different tangents... but at the same time I'm not really sure how I feel about sub-pages. Another is that there tends to be a lot of unofficial terms/fan jargon that accompany collectibles so it's hard to keep a lid on that. But I'd like to give it a shot.
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===Don't Create Music of the Bionicle Films Page===
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# As much as I love these soundtracks, I can't see them warranting their own page, although I agree that the information on the [[Music]] page is lacking. I feel that any relevant info on these albums should either be added there, or on the page for [[Nathan Furst]] (which is another page that could use a rewrite). --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 01:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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# I gotta say no here. Info should just be put on the relevant existing pages (i.e. music, nathan furst, each movie's page, etc) {{Unsigned|Intelligence4}}
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# -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 01:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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#Not necessary. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 03:03, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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#I think we can greatly expand the Music page with more information, such as track listings, maybe lyrics? but I don't think we need pages for the soundtrack, unless we are to also make pages for the songs. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 14:43, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  
:If we can get show/hide working (is that working?) it would make organizing a lot easier. I'll see about that. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  21:31, 25 September 2017 (CET)
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===Comments on Music of the Bionicle Films Page===
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In response to [[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]]'s comment in the "No" section at 01:29, 23 August 2018: Some of the information I had hoped to include in the proposed article is actually stuff I previously put on the Music page in the Movie Scores section, but another user seemed to think it was too excessive for that page and removed most of it (while also suggesting that I try to AFC a page). --[[User:Metalla|Metalla]] ([[User talk:Metalla|talk]]) 02:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  
::Edit: [[User:Dorek/Lunboks|sandbox]] -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  22:28, 25 September 2017 (CET)
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:That was probably me! Personally, I find a lot of it extraneous. I don't need to know where in Web of Shadows that minutes 1:05-2:37 of song 23 appear. We're not a Furst fanpage, no offense to the guy. The information needs to be relevant to more than just itself. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  02:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  
:::I made a rough Excel mock-up of the new template idea I had; I uploaded it to Google Docs, and you can download it with this link: [https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4dmZV9xUddbVDBZbGZ4U2lYNTg/view?usp=sharing] (the preview is bad, but the downloaded version should work).  In theory, I think this could be implemented on the wiki as a modification of the template used to display tabs for different forms on character infoboxes, but I don't know if that would be more trouble than it's worth to actually code.
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::Understandable. This is why I feel a separate page would be a worthy undertaking, as there is a fair bit of information on these scores that people may like to explore and/or simply have a comprehensive database to refer to. Of course, I wouldn't include information that's just plain unnecessary like, say, a detailed list of where each track appears. --[[User:Metalla|Metalla]] ([[User talk:Metalla|talk]]) 03:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  
:::I think it would probably be a good idea to document post-2003 Kanohi, even though they aren't particularly unique.  However, that raises the question of whether to break things down by set or by mold (i.e. should Idris's blue Great Ruru go under 2004 or 2007?). But we can cross that bridge later. --[[User:Volitak Boxor|Volitak Boxor]] ([[User talk:Volitak Boxor|talk]]) 22:39, 25 September 2017 (CET)
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I think if Metalla wants to spend his personal time contributing useful information to this wiki, even if some of you find it more detailed than necessary, there's no good reason not to let him go ahead and do it. [[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 00:00, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
  
::::Interesting, but it might take up a lot of room... or maybe I'm not understanding the template exactly. I'll try a standard configuration before experimenting first. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  01:10, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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:Thank you Planetperson, I appreciate the support! --[[User:Metalla|Metalla]] ([[User talk:Metalla|talk]]) 00:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
  
:::::My mock-up only had four masks, since I threw it together pretty quickly, but my thought was that the final template would have dozens of mask images arranged in a grid on the left half (for instance, all the Kanohi released in 2001). When you clicked on a mask's picture, its details would appear in the right half.  This way, we could have specific notes and set numbers for every color of every mask.  In my mind, the two currently possible arrangements (without any new templates) would be either a table with hundreds of rows (one per mask/color combination), or a grid similar to [[Masks of Power#Masks]] with details listed under each mask.  Both of those options would take up a lot of space, which is why I was thinking about a new template.
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:While I do appreciate Metalla's enthusiasm here, and also agree that we could most definitely use more information on the soundtracks, there is a point where, even on an extensive wiki such as this, there can be simply too much information. Imagine if we went to [[Greg Farshtey|Greg Farshtey's]] page and added everything we know about him from the ask Greg topics over the years; nobody needs to know what his favorite pizza topping is (seriously, I think someone did actually ask that). If we really want to make pages for these soundtracks, we should make one for each album (I feel a page for an actual album release is plenty justifiable if we have pages for fifteen second flash animations and the like). I just don't think we should make one, big page that would likely end up reading like a Nathan Furst fan tribute; as awesome as he and his soundtracks are, this is still a wiki and should remain objective. I support the movement for more information on these soundtracks, we just need to think about how we go about doing it. Individual album pages would have my vote, as long as we are discerning with exactly what we put on them. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 01:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
  
:::::I saw your sandbox, and while I think it would work well if we only wanted to list set numbers/notes on a per-shape basis, it may not work as well if we want to list different notes or different set numbers for different colors of the same mask shape.  For instance, we'll probably want different notes for gray Hau, chrome Hau, infected Hau, solid gold Hau, etc.; I think it would be better to have each set of notes correlated to the individual image of each mask, as opposed to a bunch of Hau notes all in one place.  I may try something soon. --[[User:Volitak Boxor|Volitak Boxor]] ([[User talk:Volitak Boxor|talk]]) 02:33, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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::I get what you're saying. But given the amount of verifiable information that's currently available on the soundtracks (keep in mind it's only 3 albums, maybe eventually 4 if we're lucky), I really think a single cumulative page would be the best fit, at least for now. It would be better to have a page that encompasses all of the soundtracks in a complete and concise way rather than have multiple pages that are fairly short and contain redundant information. I would of course be very open to edits by other users, especially since there could be additional relevant information I am leaving out. --[[User:Metalla|Metalla]] ([[User talk:Metalla|talk]]) 04:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
  
Oh, I see where you're going. I love the idea, but lord knows how we'd go about executing it. I think a show/hide feature is easier with a general explanation at the top of each category, but I'll see what else we can do. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  04:00, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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Okay, been a little over a month since this section had any activity so I kinda wanted to touch base. Opinions on this AFC seem pretty mixed so far, though it doesn't look like a lot of people have voted. To anyone who has a definitive opinion on whether this article should be created or not, I'd love for you to share it and/or cast your vote in the appropriate section, as I'm eager to have a more clear idea of whether this thing is gonna fly or not. Furthermore, the possibility of creating individual pages for each of the 3 albums has been suggested; if more people voice approval for that idea, I'd be willing to change the proposal (or create a new one altogether) and advocate for the creation of those instead. --[[User:Metalla|Metalla]] ([[User talk:Metalla|talk]]) 15:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  
The collectibles topic on BZPower is a good reference for rare collectibles: [http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/14647-official-rare-promotional-collectibles-topic/].
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::I think it is actually possible to create another voting option for the individual albums in the same poll - some others have added third sections after another option becomes apparent. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 09:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
  
So, we have lots of ideas of how to organize this thing. Personally, I don't think a big matrix for every possible combination of mask shape and color makes much sense, or even looks very good -- it's too sparse and not very space-efficient. It does make sense to put things in a table when they are part of a series -- the original Kanohi, the gold and silver Kanohi, the krana, the Kanoka, etc.
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==Rename "[[Reformation of Spherus Magna]]" to "Restoration of Spherus Magna"==
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I think "reformation" is a poor choice of word here. The word "reformation" normally refers to correcting an institution or practice, not repairing a physical thing. It also has religious undertones. The term "restoration" would be more suitable.
  
I propose we start with the simplest and clearest possible solution: list all collectibles in chronological order of release, and show things in a table when they are part of a series.
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Definitions: [https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/reformation reformation], [https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/restoration restoration]
  
In my mind, these are the main points that cause uncertainty:
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===Do rename "[[Reformation of Spherus Magna]]" to "Restoration of Spherus Magna"===
# What's the best way to display collectibles that are clearly part of a series, such as the original Kanohi, krana, etc.? Many of the collectible masks were included in sets or other merchandise (like the blue Pakari) and should include notes stating as such -- where do we show that information?
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# —[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 00:20, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
# What do we do with masks and disks that were not really available through collectible packs, but just came standard with certain sets? Examples: the McToran masks, the Metru Nui Matoran masks, the Vahki Kanoka, the Rahaga Rhotuka, the various colors of Zamor, etc. Do we mention them? Where?
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# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
# What do we do with the Toa Metru Masks, Toa Mahri masks, and other masks that clearly fit into the mask system, but were never part of a collectible pack series and just came as standard parts of sets? Do they really count as "collectibles"?
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#— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 17:29, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
# What do we do with faux masks like the Toa Hordika heads and the Mistika Makuta heads? Are they worth mentioning just because they are called masks in the story?
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# -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 23:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
# What do we do with rare, one-off collectibles like the Vahi, copper masks, TNGM, MEK, 14k gold Hau, silver Krana-Kal, etc.?
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# --"LBX battle on!!!" <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 17:36, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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# "Reformation" never sat right with me, you hit the nail on the head. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 20:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
  
My answers to the above would be:
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===Don't rename "[[Reformation of Spherus Magna]]" to "Restoration of Spherus Magna"===
# Put anything that's in a series in its own table. Allow space in each cell for brief notes. If a note is really long for some reason, use a footnote.
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# Feels somewhat unnecessary, the three fragments are literally "re-forming" into Spherus Magna, so the new name actually feels more vague to me. Only real argument I can see against this is that restoration does better describe the re-greening stuff Mata Nui did. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 23:05, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
# Show them, but don't include them in the same table as the collectible series, and explain where they came from.
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#-- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 02:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
# Hardly worth mentioning. If we mention them at all, don't include them in the main flow of the page. Maybe list the variants for each shape in a separate section at the bottom of the page.
 
# Not worth mentioning.
 
# Give each of them its own blurb. These are probably the most interesting and important part of the page.
 
  
As a side-note, it would be really great if we could get nice, clean photographs of each of the collectible pieces. It would be ''really'' nice to do this for the kraata, since the way the colors are described online does ''not'' match up with what the toys actually look like.
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===Name "Reformation of Spherus Magna" to something else===
  
—[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 13:48, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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===Comments on renaming "Reformation of Spherus Magna"===
  
I sketched out my idea in a [[User:Planetperson/Sandbox|sandbox]]. —[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 15:47, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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==Rename "[[Assembler's Villages]]" to "Assembler's Village"==
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It doesn't really make sense for the page name to be in plural, in comparison to other pages such as Rahi ([[Artakha Bull]], [[Stone Rat]], etc.), objects ([[Zamor Launcher]]), occupations ([[Crafter]]). Additionally the BEU entry on page 11 is not in plural. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 17:58, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
  
:I note you included the Toa Inika masks on your sandbox, even though they don't connect to heads the same way other Kanohi do. Wouldn't it be more consistent to remove them, as they're not "true" masks? --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 17:06, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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===Do rename "Assembler's Villages" to "Assembler's Village"===
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#<font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 17:58, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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#-- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 02:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  
:: I figured that some people would insist on including them. I prefer to keep them out too. [[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 20:03, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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===Don't rename "Assembler's Villages" to "Assembler's Village"===
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#--"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 20:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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# The closest comparison that comes to my mind is [[Matoran Homes]], and that's plural. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 02:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  
::I'm really not for including stuff like misprints and mismolds (obvious exception being the Turaga/Gali masks from 2001). I'd really only like to include things that were designated AS collectibles to start with, otherwise we're just basically listing "masks and miscellanea" which dilutes the entire purpose.
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===Comments on renaming "Assembler's Villages"===
  
::It looks like we could theoretically do a click-based table, which would solve a lot of problems, but until we get that operational, I would say just plain tables and then section it up like it is [[User:Dorek/Lunboks|on my sandbox]]. Kraata's gonna be the tricky one for sure. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img> 19:57, 26 September 2017 (CET)
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i say no, because some of the guides say that there are multiple villages spread around Po-metru. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 20:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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:Right, but there are also multiple Zamor Launchers? <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 20:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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::A long time ago, back when the Vahki staffs were their own pages, there was a conversation about how they were named plurally ("Staffs of Command") while the Rahkshi staffs were named singularly ("Staff of Anger"). Somebody told me it was because each single Vahki had multiple staffs, but each single Rahkshi had only one staff. Not sure how to apply that to this, but thought it was worth mentioning. Is it accurate to describe this page as about the Assembler's Villages as a collective unit? -- <font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font>  21:25, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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To expand on the comment I made in my vote; this seems to be a common trend for "plural locations". [[Chute Stations]], [[Sea Gates]], and [[Stalactite Villages]] are all examples of this, in addition to [[Matoran Homes]] that I mentioned above. If we really want to make this change, it really should be an all-or-nothing attempt, which is why I voted against just renaming the [[Assembler's Villages]]. I would be more open to a full renaming of plural locations, but would still need to hear the arguments. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 23:27, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  
:::Would it make more sense to separate the page primarily by type instead of by year (i.e. all Kanohi together, then all Krana, etc., instead of all of 2001, then all of 2002, and so on)?  For instance, I think it would be more convenient to have the gold and silver Mata Kanohi listed alongside their colored counterparts instead of separating them under 2001 and 2002 headers.
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==Glatorian action figure game==
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I was looking this up the other day to remind myself of the rules. For some reason though, there's only a note in the set information for glatorian of all places. It seems strange for it to not have it's own page, or at least it's separate section or sub section on the glatorian page. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 20:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
  
:::I see the point about wanting the page to focus on items that were actually collectible, but I still think it's important to record the information for the Metru/Inika/etc. masks.  What do you all think about having an entirely separate page called something like "Non-collectible Masks" where we could document all the Kanohi released 2004 and later (since the last mask packs released in 2003)? If it's separate, we could even include information on things like the Hordika masks/2009 helmets if we wanted. --[[User:Volitak Boxor|Volitak Boxor]] ([[User talk:Volitak Boxor|talk]]) 00:48, 27 September 2017 (CET)
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===make "Glatorian action figure game"===
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#--"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 20:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
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#<font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 17:32, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
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# -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 22:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
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# --[[User:MightBeAlon|MightBeAlon]] ([[User talk:MightBeAlon|talk]]) 14:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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#Yes, because the game also involved titans and Agori. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 02:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  
::::Isn't that just the Kanohi page? =P
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===make section on [[Glatorian]]===
  
::::Joking aside, if this is going to fall under the umbrella of being set-focused, a year division works best. We're not really making this as a checklist for people; there are plenty of other places that do that already. I and my vote are more interested in delving into the history of collectibles, and how to contextualize it with BIONICLE's overall product structure. We can give mention to other things (i.e. "2004 also featured redesigned Kanohi masks, but unlike previous years, these masks did not tie in to a collecting aspect and were not a part of the theme's play features") but the page needs to stay on track, otherwise it's a pointless addition.
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===Don't make either===
  
::::Especially when you get to the helmets, you're basically saying that ANYTHING is a collectible if you try hard enough, and at what point are we acknowledging the aspect of sets THEMSELVES now being "collector's items"? Keep the focus narrowed to start, at least, and discussions can be made on how to expand later on. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  01:48, 27 September 2017 (CET)
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===Comments===
 
 
:::::Okay, if you were thinking that this page would be written more from a historical point of view than a utilitarian one, then that makes sense.  I was coming more from a build-a-better-checklist perspective. --[[User:Volitak Boxor|Volitak Boxor]] ([[User talk:Volitak Boxor|talk]]) 02:00, 27 September 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:::::I see where you're coming from with misprints and mismolds. I think the same thing applies to prototypes. It's hard to make a canonical list. We only know what people report finding, so it's a bit chaotic. Some people really get into collecting particularly famous kinds though, especially the pearl gold Kraahkan and the five-hole Kraahkan, so I could go either way.
 
 
 
:::::No offense, but I hate click-to-show-info UIs. It's not printable, and I like to be able to see all the information at once. But maybe that's just me.
 
 
 
:::::As for VB's question about grouping by type: I would say no. I think it ''does'' make sense to do it your way in a checklist, because it looks prettier. In this case, I think it's better to group by pack, for two reasons. 1) Grouping by type gives the impression that the gold/silver masks were released at the same time as the originals. I prefer to emphasize the chronological order of release to the reader. I like chronological order because it removes any doubt about where things are supposed to go, and it's logical. 2) If they are grouped by type, then the krana pack needs to be mentioned in two separate places, once in the Kanohi section, and again in the krana section. Same with the Krana-Kal pack. If they are grouped by pack, I think it ends up being much cleaner.
 
 
 
:::::I would be okay with a section at the bottom listing the Metru-style Kanohi, like I have in my sandbox. At least some of them came out in different colors over the years. I don't think they merit their own page.
 
 
 
:::::I strongly echo Dorek's opinions on the page being more history-focused and on not including Inika masks and helmets. The page doesn't need to be another parts checklist.
 
 
 
:::::—[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 06:36, 27 September 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
wow i sure have missed out on a big discussion. anyway, here are a few of my thoughts: what's the point of this page? all the collectibles that were available could/(should?) be under the sets page. also, anything that would go on this page is pretty much mentioned as its own page, unless i'm mistaken. (am i? please tell me)
 
either way, if we were to create this page, i'd think it should just be a category of the merchandise page.[[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 00:52, 28 September 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
:There are several collectibles that didn't come in a pack or a set. Some of them do not have storyline significance and are not mentioned in existing wiki pages. For example: TNGM, orange Vahi, all the silver Krana-Kal, TOK, Kanoka 175, gold Hau, gold Kanoka, etc. I think it's also just nice to have a comprehensive list, which would be especially useful for readers not as familiar with the line or who just need a reference. —[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 02:12, 28 September 2017 (CET)
 
 
 
Out of curiosity, will we list one of each color-blended collectable (like the infected Hau Nuva) or all four variants? Seeing as each color-blended collectable was released in four variants, I think the only reasonable option would be to simply include one entry for each (and maybe a related comment in the trivia section) but I'm open to discussion. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 08:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 
:With those, there were specifically four different blends, so we would note all of them. I'm not sure what other multiple blend-color variants there were? -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  20:23, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: Recently, a lego designer revealed that all bionicle parts that used a two-color blend were produced in the same way; in groups of four. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 05:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
Does anyone have saved/know about any high-resolution images of the color variants of the Turaga masks from 2001?  I haven't been able to find any to download individually, but people must have used something to put together checklists, etc.  --[[User:Volitak Boxor|Volitak Boxor]] ([[User talk:Volitak Boxor|talk]]) 21:54, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Move [[Lightning Bug]] to "Electric Bug" ==
 
Directly from the [[Talk:Lightning Bug]] page:
 
 
 
Aren't the Lightning Bugs from the MNOG and the Electrict Bugs from the QftT are the very ''same'' Rahi? They both appeared in Le-Wahi, have the exact same powers (as seen in both games) only the color scheme varies. Judging on their visual depictions they look exactly the same, only in different angles, so I think it's safe the assume that these 2 Rahi are the same, and we can include the information about the Electric Bugs on this page. And off cource include the QftT as a canonical appearance. And 'cause neither of them are mentioned at all in the BEU, we can use the nickname banner for this Rahi. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 16:42, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Quite honestly, I agree with you that the "Lightning Bug" is just a variation of the Electric Bug. It makes a lot of sense. After all, Occam's Razor would suggest that these two Rahi that appeared in the same setting (Le-Wahi) in the same year (2001) with the same abilities (electricity) and similar appearances would most likely be the same Rahi.
 
 
 
:However, I wouldn't say they look ''exactly'' the same. Close analysis of the Electric Bug sprites suggests that it would be built something like [http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/SJPlego/LDD/Extended/electric_bug.png this], which has some noticeable differences from the "Lightning Bug" (such as the eyes being spaced farther apart and the beak being pointed downward). On the other hand, various QftT Rahi have notably different builds from other media (see [[Hikaki]] and [[Mahi]]), so this argument does not necessarily refute the point.
 
 
 
:What I would personally suggest is that, instead of just listing the Electric Bug info on this page, '''we rename the "Lightning Bug" article to "Electric Bug"'''. The difference between the two names is that, while neither have been referenced in a canonical source, "Lightning Bug" is a fan nickname while "Electric Bug" actually does come from [http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/TheKraahkan/NintendoPowerAdvance/npa_2_-_090.jpg a published source]. If I remember correctly, someone asked Greg if BS01 could call it "Lightning Bug" in the absence of a preexisting name... "Electric Bug" may very well be that preexisting name. In that case, this is a discussion that would be best taken to the [[BIONICLEsector01_talk:Articles_for_Creation|AfC]]. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 17:25, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Elaborating on that last point. Here are the two instances where the name "Lightning Bug" was brought to Greg Farshtey:
 
 
 
::*[https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2003-2008/page264#post10526 Nov 12, 2007, 3:57 PM] - Wrinkledlion X asks if "Lightning Bug" can be used as a fan-term. Greg replies, "Fine by me"
 
::*[https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2008-2010/page329#post13151 Aug 12, 2010, 1:34 PM] - Wrinkledlion X wants Greg's approval to use the term "Lightning Bug" in his entry for the [[BIONICLEsector01:Stasis Toa Contest|Stasis Toa Contest]]. Greg replies "It's okay," but also expresses reluctance to give a Rahi the same name as a real life animal. It should be noted that Wrinkledion X's entry did not win the contest, so that is not a conflicting issue here.
 
  
::So technically, Greg did give approval for "Lightning Bug" as a term that could be used in canon, but he did so reluctantly and never gave a strong "yes" as an answer. Additionally, the question was most likely asked without prior knowledge of a preexisting name for the bug, therefore unintentionally biasing the question and answer. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 17:59, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
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so, how many votes are needed to get approval? --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 19:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
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:Per the rules on [[BIONICLEsector01:Articles for Creation]] you need three more votes, unless someone votes no, in which case you need five more. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 22:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
  
— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 18:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
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Were the rules only ever listed in the back of manuals, or was there a "better" version listed anywhere? --[[User:MightBeAlon|MightBeAlon]] ([[User talk:MightBeAlon|talk]]) 14:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  
===Move to "Electric Bug"===
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: maybe on the website, if not that's it then. Though there were slightly different rules for; single, double, +Agori, and Vehicle. --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 18:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
# I'd prefer a preexisting name from a published source over a fan-nickname that even Greg was reluctant about. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 19:14, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 
# I think they're the same Rahi. — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 18:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 
# Considering that some rahi have looked VERY different between media (Ussal, Gukko, Fikou) I think it's pretty safe to say these are simply differing depictions of the same rahi. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 09:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 
#Makes sense to me. [[User:Zo;Tomana|<font color="#143D66" size="4"><b>ζ</b><font face="Pristina" size="5">ox</font></font>]]•  <sup>[[User:Zo;Tomana/Histories|<font face-"Pristina" color="#09C2E3" size="1">Histories</font>]] [[User Talk:Zo;Tomana|<img>http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Tomana/stuff/tomana_paw.png" width="10px"</img>]]</sup>
 
#I'm in favor, especially since "lightning bug" is also real-world slang for firefly, and gives a different (and less accurate) connotation than "Electric Bug" does. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 23:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 
  
===Merge the two Rahi bugs, don't move to "Electric Bug"===
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:: Makes sense. It might be worth someone scoping out the possible variations between them and compiling the differences, if any, between the potentially different rules on this hypothetical Agori Game page. --[[User:MightBeAlon|MightBeAlon]] ([[User talk:MightBeAlon|talk]]) 18:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  
===Don't merge the two Rahi bugs===
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::: agori game? it was just an add on to the normal --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 18:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::: Whoops, I meant to call it the Glatorian Game but had a brainfart --[[User:MightBeAlon|MightBeAlon]] ([[User talk:MightBeAlon|talk]]) 18:39, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  
===Comments on Lightning Bug===
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:: The website used to have "interactive" tutorials for each of the four variants (it was like a glorified slideshow, but it explained things pretty well.) I don't know if anybody (BioMediaProject/Wayback Machine) has these preserved? --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 23:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
@Wolk: The "Lightning Bug" varies a bit in size during the MNOLG. The one on Onua's shoulder is fairly small, for example. However, [https://youtu.be/UqjphTr1LJQ?t=6m27s the one seen next to] [[Kumo]] (or, at least, his lookalike) is much closer in scale to what you might expect from looking at the Electric Bug. So, I don't think size difference matters that much. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 19:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 
  
@Wolk, the sizes don't really matter. We know that certain Rahi grow in size, like the Ussal crab, so it's Not impossible that the Lightning/Electric Bug also do growing. And if the Electric Bug is the more canon name, then it should be the one of the merged page.— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 22:16, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 
  
:After looking back at footage of the Electric Bug, I have changed my opinion. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:27, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
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==Put Rahi Challenges on it's own page==
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I feel it would be appropriate to allocate the Rahi Challenge expansion for [[BIONICLE:Quest for the Masks]] it's own page; it was released several months later as it's own design, would help give better distinction between itself and the base game. --[[User:MightBeAlon|MightBeAlon]] ([[User talk:MightBeAlon|talk]]) 23:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  
Just thought of one more point in support of merging the two Rahi. If I remember correctly, every single other prominently-featured Rahi in MNOLG appears in some other media. You have the 2001 Rahi and the Master Builder Rahi, of course, but then you also have more obscure Rahi like the Mahi (which appears in QftT with a notably different build) and that unnamed fish with the hook-shaped dorsal fin (which appears in ''[[:File:Bonus Galionly.PNG|Quest for the Masks]]'' and ''[[:File:TLOMN Fish Corrected Textures.png|The Legend of Mata Nui]]''). It would seem very unlikely that there would be just one single exception (i.e. the "Lightning Bug") to that rule. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 18:53, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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===Yes: Create Bionicle: Rahi Challenge===
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# [[User:MightBeAlon|MightBeAlon]] ([[User talk:MightBeAlon|talk]]) 23:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  
For reference, I just put together an example of the Electric Bug page in my [[User:PeabodySam/Sandbox|Sandbox]]. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 23:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
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===No: Do not create Bionicle: Rahi Challenge===
  
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===Comments on proposal to create Bionicle: Rahi Challenge===
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This is just my general ignorance on the card games themselves, but are the two sets not compatible? New rules is all fine and dandy, but if it's actually just an expansion, then I'd say they should stay on the same page. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  02:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  
== Clock set pages ==
 
"7397 Bionicle Clock", "Set:4193353 Bionicle Tahu Nuva Clock" and "4285303 Bionicle Clock" were three sets released in 2002, 2003 and 2007 respectively. You can find them on Bricklink or Brickset if you want to see images. Yes, these technically count as "gear", however they are built up out of pieces. What particularily makes me interested in making pages for these sets though is that 7397 includes a red noble Ruru, which has other wise only been released as a misprint. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 
  
===Create Set:7397, Set:4193353, Set:4285303===
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==Proposal to create ''[[Trouble for Tahu]]''==
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 19:44, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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After the three-part story told in ''[[Legend of Lewa]]'', the Adventures magazine published another two comics telling a connected story. For some reason, these comics are mentioned in all of [[Gallery:Comics#Trouble for Tahu/Time of the Toa|one place on the wiki that I could find]]. I've just thrown together [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/Adventures|a sandboxed proposal]] - so far as I can tell, this seems like an obvious page to make? I'm against putting this content on the existing page for the first three Adventures comics, as Trouble for Tahu / Time of the Toa is explicitly a separate story. [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 22:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
# —[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 22:28, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
===Do not create Clock set pages===
 
# I feel like these would belong on a page with other Merchandise-related content, but individual pages for each clock seems like opening a can of worms (what does/does not constitute a set?) --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 08:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
===Comments on Clock sets ===
 
So to broaden this out even further, there's stuff like the Trading Card Game which may have included LEGO elements or may not have which have set numbers, and things like T-shirts too. I'd argue it's an all or nothing gambit; either everything that has a set number, or keep it to the core buildable figures. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  04:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Style Guides==
 
Style Guides! What are they? How do they work? Are they related to magnets? All this and more could be learned! I might just make the page anyway, but that's because I do what I want! -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  02:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
===Create Style Guides===
 
#-- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  02:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 
# I see no reason as to why not. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 12:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 
# yes, obviously [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 18:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 
# --'''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 16:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 
# --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 21:34, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
 
# Sure. --<span class="plainlinks">[http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/User:Swert <img>http://biosector01.com/swert/WikiSig.png</img>]</span> <sup><font color="#09c2e3">Owner ([[User talk:Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">contribs</font>]])</font></sup>
 
 
 
===Do Not Create Style Guides===
 
 
 
===Comments===
 
Of the ones been put online so far, there's 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008... and I think that's it? -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  02:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 
  
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===Yes: Create ''Trouble for Tahu''===
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# [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 22:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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# Should definitely have them in some capacity, whether on their own page or in a merged page. --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 04:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
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# I definitely see the point about other comics not sharing a page. Nonetheless, this one should be mentioned somewhere. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 05:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
  
== Makutafest archives ==
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===No: Do not create ''Trouble for Tahu''===
  
I'm putting this here for lack of better place. A year ago i asked Swert about making a Makuta fest archives, and he said he would do it, but it never happened, so i'm restarting here.
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===Place content for ''Trouble for Tahu'' on the page for ''Legend of Lewa''===
The Makutafest Archives would be for people like myself who do not have access to Yo**ube. I enjoyed listening to makutafest, but when the BS01 podast site went down, i wasn't able to listen to them anymore. Swert also said that he would upload the podcast downloads to this site but that didn't happen either. So i am proposing that we make a page were all the Makutafest videos and/or recordings could be stored for posterity and pleasure. Thank you.  
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# Makes the most sense to me. Page would obviously need to be renamed, though. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 02:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
--"On the bounce and on the numbers, boys!!" <sup>[[User:Prof. Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 19:09, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 
  
== Music of the BIONICLE films ==
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===Comments on proposal to create ''Trouble for Tahu''===
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:Could I get some more info on the magazine they were published in? Maybe a single page for both comics might be a better fit. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  03:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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::''LEGO Adventures! Magazine''. Published in a few European countries in the late '90s/early '00s. Standard format for UK kids' magazines, where each issue would have a mixture of short comic strips, simple articles, and activities (spot the difference, join the dots, that kind of thing). The five Bionicle strips (three for the Lewa/Gali story, two for the Tahu story) were, as far as I'm aware, published across five consecutive 2001 issues. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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:::So I guess my question is what delineates this as a separate story? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to all be part of one series with the occasional sub-heading? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the organizing. I'm pro creating a page for it in general, I just wonder the best way to order it all. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  00:39, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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::::There's a much stronger split between "The Legend of Lewa/Gali's Tale" and "Trouble for Tahu/Time of the Toa" than there is between, well, basically any two consecutive issues of the main comic! Not just in terms of narrative - the narration in the comic itself clearly states "THE END" at the end of each multi-part story, with "TO BE CONTINUED" at the end of the individual parts comprising those stories. Each of the three 2002 McDonalds comics has its own page, and those are certainly individually comparable to the parts making up "The Legend of Lewa". The Papercutz #8 comics have separate pages, despite being ''published together'', because they're different stories - each individual part of these comics was published alone, and it seems very strange to throw them all on one page! Those are just a couple of examples, but in terms of comic book material the precedent on this wiki is certainly to place each individual comic on their own page - I'd argue the page for "The Legend of Lewa" already breaks precedent as it stands, and should really be split across three pages (though I don't actually want to see that happen; having that three-parter on one page is convenient in a lot of ways, but I think throwing in the Tahu two-parter as well muddies the waters unnecessarily).
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::::As a side point, correct me if I'm wrong, but the existing page seems to be at the wrong name - it's "''The'' Legend of Lewa", not just "Legend of Lewa". So that should really be moved. If you need that to be a separate proposal, I guess it can be. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 20:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I see your point, but am not convinced. Plenty of the online animations were completely separate uploads, but they are almost always contained on a single page for the grouping. I feel like the defining factor here is length - these are really short stories, and there seems to be little point giving them separate pages when sub-headings would probably do the trick. Perhaps the other examples you gave also need a compilation; [[BIONICLEsector01 talk:Articles for Deletion|Articles for Deletion]] is making a push to compile like pages at the moment. Still open to the idea of separate pages, but not persuaded yet. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 03:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::::The Legend of Lewa page should definitely be moved to "The Legend of Lewa", in my opinion. Is it necessairy to make an AFC for that? <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 05:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
  
If the topic is deemed worthy of its own separate article, I would very much like to create one for the soundtracks to the Bionicle movies. I believe a suitable title would be "Music of the BIONICLE films". The [[Music]] article would be given a link to it at the top of the "Movie Scores" section (e.g. ''Main article: Music of the BIONICLE films'').
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==Gallery:sets==
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I noticed that we while we do have a gallery for [[gallery:prototypes|prototypes sets]], we do not have a gallery for actual set images. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 22:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  
This article would encompass the full details of the Miramax trilogy soundtrack releases as well as their history, using as much data about them as I can find. It would cover subjects such as how Nathan Furst was initially brought on board to score the films, why they remained unreleased for such a long time, and the efforts made to release portions of the score prior to the official releases. It would also include any available information on the score of ''The Legend Reborn''; even though that film has not been given a soundtrack release, it is possible there could be one in the future. It would '''not''' include information about the music of ''The Journey to One'' since that is a web series and not technically a movie.
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===Yes: Create gallery:sets===
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# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 22:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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# Could be handy, really. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 08:21, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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# this would be nice. --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 15:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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#-- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 03:03, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  
I believe this topic is worthy of its own article due to the large amount of relevant information about it, in contrast to the other sections of the main Music article. I would, of course, be happy to assume responsibility for creating and maintaining the article.
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===No: Do not create gallery:sets===
  
Please post your thoughts below; any support would be greatly appreciated. I'd really love to be able to move ahead with this article.
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===Comments on proposal to create gallery:sets===
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I'm not opposed, I just don't see anyone willing to do the legwork =P. If someone were to actually create one, I certainly wouldn't complain. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  07:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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:I can give it a shot. I'll need some help on formatting though, so I know what templates an whatnot. --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex <sup>[[User:Srlojohn|~''<font color="blue" style="background:lightgreen">Prof. Srlojohn</font>'']]</sup> 15:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  
--[[User:Metalla]]
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==Proposal to split Fenrakk into Fenrakk Spawn and Fenrakk/Kardas/Kardas Dragon==
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Currently [[Fenrakk]] is an article about the Fenrakk spawn species, with a subsection on the mutated specimen called Fenrakk. I think the specimen is significant enough that [[Fenrakk]] should just discuss that particular spider, and the Fenrakk spawn species should have a separate page--just like how [[Pewku]] and [[Ussal]] are separate pages. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 19:15, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
  
=== Yes ===
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UPDATE: Per the discussion below, I've rethought the proposal. First, let's vote on whether or not to give Fenrakk the individual a separate article from the Fenrakk spawn species. If that vote passes, then we can determine what to call that article: Fenrakk, Kardas, or Kardas Dragon. (If we pick the latter two options, we'll incorporate Fenrakk's info into the existing Kardas Dragon article.) I've moved around the existing votes to reflect the new proposal. Of course still feel free to change your vote if I've moved it. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
# Definitely. —[[User:Planetperson|Planetperson]] 22:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 
# I like this idea :D — '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 23:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 
  
=== No ===
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===Yes: Cover Fenrakk and the Fenrakk spawn species in distinct articles===
# As much as I love these soundtracks, I can't see them warranting their own page, although I agree that the information on the [[Music]] page is lacking. I feel that any relevant info on these albums should either be added there, or on the page for [[Nathan Furst]] (which is another page that could use a rewrite). --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 01:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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If this option wins, we can figure out what to call both new articles/whether or not the new Fenrakk article should be merged with [[Kardas Dragon]].
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# -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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#Definitely a good idea.— '''''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]]'' <sub>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">Talk</font>]])</sub>''' 21:48, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 10:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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# --'''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 22:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
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# I always thought there was something weird about the format of that page, but you've hit the nail on the head. I have strong opinions on what the new page should be named, though. --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 10:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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# ~ [[User:Zumoro Rahkshi|<font color="limegreen">'''Zumoro Rahkshi'''</font>]] - [[User talk:Zumoro Rahkshi|<font color="orange">Mouth-speak</font>]] {[[Special:Contributions/Zumoro Rahkshi|<font color="orange">Helpings</font>]]} 03:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
  
=== Comments ===
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===No: Do not cover Fenrakk and the Fenrakk spawn species in distinct articles===
In response to [[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]]'s comment in the "No" section at 01:29, 23 August 2018: Some of the information I had hoped to include in the proposed article is actually stuff I previously put on the Music page in the Movie Scores section, but another user seemed to think it was too excessive for that page and removed most of it (while also suggesting that I try to AFC a page). --[[User:Metalla|Metalla]] ([[User talk:Metalla|talk]]) 02:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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If this option wins, we can figure out whether or not we should move the Fenrakk article to Fenrakk Spawn.
  
:That was probably me! Personally, I find a lot of it extraneous. I don't need to know where in Web of Shadows that minutes 1:05-2:37 of song 23 appear. We're not a Furst fanpage, no offense to the guy. The information needs to be relevant to more than just itself. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  02:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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===Comments on proposal to split Fenrakk into Fenrakk Spawn and Fenrakk/Kardas/Kardas Dragon===
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In that case, would it not be better to move Fenrakk to [[Kardas Dragon]] seeing as they are the same individual in different forms? Alone, I don't see us having enough information for a page on Fenrakk. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 10:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Good point. I'd also be in favor of moving my vote to Kardas, rather than Kardas Dragon, because the Rahi is called Kardas in BEU and MGttU. But, my goal with this proposal was to move the Fenrakk info off of the page about the the Fenrakk spawn species--we can figure out article names later. I've updated the proposal and moved your vote accordingly. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  
::Understandable. This is why I feel a separate page would be a worthy undertaking, as there is a fair bit of information on these scores that people may like to explore and/or simply have a comprehensive database to refer to. Of course, I wouldn't include information that's just plain unnecessary like, say, a detailed list of where each track appears. --[[User:Metalla|Metalla]] ([[User talk:Metalla|talk]]) 03:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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I do get the Ussal page comparison, but I gotta say I'm not really feeling this. It's a confusing enough situation as it is; they were introduced to the audience as "Fenrakk" and then "Fenrakk Spawn" but the Fenrakk Spawn are basically the original, even though that's not what the name implies at all? I think it's fine as is. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>https://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  17:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Yeah Fenrakk spawn is a misnomer. I suspect it's an out-of-universe nickname, but there's no confirmation for that afaik. Regardless, if we don't split the page up, we should at least move it to "Fenrakk Spawn" since that's the actual subject of the article. The current setup is analogous to calling the Ash Bear article "Graalok." -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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::My understanding (admittedly this is an uncertain topic) is that the "Fenrakk Spawn Spiders" are distinct from ordinary "Fenrakk" which are distinct again from Vezon's specific Fenrakk (which I think we should refer to as Kardas, it the same sense that we say Takanuva and not Takua). --[[User:Snaptor|<font color="#ff0000">S</font><font color="#ff6600">n</font><font color="#ffcc00">a</font><font color="#00cc00">p</font><font color="#00ccff">t</font><font color="#0000ff">o</font><font color="#9900ff">r</font>]]([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 10:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

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BIONICLE Facebook Page

Page will be made.

This wiki should probably have some way of referencing the happenings of the Bionicle Facebook page, which often releases images and videos that are either exclusive or are not released on another source until later and hosts events such as contests. Bionicle websites have articles so it should seem logical that the facebook page should as well. Even if a page is not made, there should be some way of referencing events that unfold on the facebook page as well as images, videos, and other content. This could mean a nav template or a category of some form. Post your thoughts.

Someone wanna get cracking on a sandbox for this? --Angel Bob (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2016 (CET)
Would someone make a sandbox? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)


Merchandise

Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the Toa Mahri Dart Shooter or the Sponge Morbuzakh or even the Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives, which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --Snaptor (talk) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)

Page will be created.

Comments on merchandise

I think this will be a good page to have - but i think we have to be very careful in drawing the line between regular sets and stuff and all the ancillary merchandise that was available. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I found a TTV topic that has a huge list of this sort of thing. It obviously wouldn't qualify as an actual source, but it could certainly help as a sort of "checklist" to see exactly what sort of things we're looking for. Are we allowed to link to TTV here? (Also, on a more amusing note, I'm not sure I've seen something gather eight votes this quickly in ages, I was expecting this to be controversial. =P) Snaptor (talk) 11:10, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I just realized this only technically counts as seven votes, oops. Snaptor (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2017 (CET)
MY VOTE COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING -- Dorek Talk External Image 03:39, 29 September 2017 (CET)

Music of the BIONICLE films

If the topic is deemed worthy of its own separate article, I would very much like to create one for the soundtracks to the Bionicle movies. I believe a suitable title would be "Music of the BIONICLE films". The Music article would be given a link to it at the top of the "Movie Scores" section (e.g. Main article: Music of the BIONICLE films).

This article would encompass the full details of the Miramax trilogy soundtrack releases as well as their history, using as much data about them as I can find. It would cover subjects such as how Nathan Furst was initially brought on board to score the films, why they remained unreleased for such a long time, and the efforts made to release portions of the score prior to the official releases. It would also include any available information on the score of The Legend Reborn; even though that film has not been given a soundtrack release, it is possible there could be one in the future. It would not include information about the music of The Journey to One since that is a web series and not technically a movie.

I believe this topic is worthy of its own article due to the large amount of relevant information about it, in contrast to the other sections of the main Music article. I would, of course, be happy to assume responsibility for creating and maintaining the article.

Please post your thoughts below; any support would be greatly appreciated. I'd really love to be able to move ahead with this article.

--User:Metalla

Create Music of the Bionicle Films Page

  1. Definitely. —Planetperson 22:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
  2. I like this idea :D — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
  3. Seeing as each is it's own release, i say a separate page --"LBX battle on!!!" ~Prof. Srlojohn 17:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Don't Create Music of the Bionicle Films Page

  1. As much as I love these soundtracks, I can't see them warranting their own page, although I agree that the information on the Music page is lacking. I feel that any relevant info on these albums should either be added there, or on the page for Nathan Furst (which is another page that could use a rewrite). --Snaptor(talk) 01:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  2. I gotta say no here. Info should just be put on the relevant existing pages (i.e. music, nathan furst, each movie's page, etc) (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Intelligence4)
  3. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 01:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
  4. Not necessary. -- Toa Jala Converse 03:03, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  5. I think we can greatly expand the Music page with more information, such as track listings, maybe lyrics? but I don't think we need pages for the soundtrack, unless we are to also make pages for the songs. ~ Wolk (talk) 14:43, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments on Music of the Bionicle Films Page

In response to Snaptor's comment in the "No" section at 01:29, 23 August 2018: Some of the information I had hoped to include in the proposed article is actually stuff I previously put on the Music page in the Movie Scores section, but another user seemed to think it was too excessive for that page and removed most of it (while also suggesting that I try to AFC a page). --Metalla (talk) 02:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

That was probably me! Personally, I find a lot of it extraneous. I don't need to know where in Web of Shadows that minutes 1:05-2:37 of song 23 appear. We're not a Furst fanpage, no offense to the guy. The information needs to be relevant to more than just itself. -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Understandable. This is why I feel a separate page would be a worthy undertaking, as there is a fair bit of information on these scores that people may like to explore and/or simply have a comprehensive database to refer to. Of course, I wouldn't include information that's just plain unnecessary like, say, a detailed list of where each track appears. --Metalla (talk) 03:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I think if Metalla wants to spend his personal time contributing useful information to this wiki, even if some of you find it more detailed than necessary, there's no good reason not to let him go ahead and do it. —Planetperson 00:00, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Planetperson, I appreciate the support! --Metalla (talk) 00:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
While I do appreciate Metalla's enthusiasm here, and also agree that we could most definitely use more information on the soundtracks, there is a point where, even on an extensive wiki such as this, there can be simply too much information. Imagine if we went to Greg Farshtey's page and added everything we know about him from the ask Greg topics over the years; nobody needs to know what his favorite pizza topping is (seriously, I think someone did actually ask that). If we really want to make pages for these soundtracks, we should make one for each album (I feel a page for an actual album release is plenty justifiable if we have pages for fifteen second flash animations and the like). I just don't think we should make one, big page that would likely end up reading like a Nathan Furst fan tribute; as awesome as he and his soundtracks are, this is still a wiki and should remain objective. I support the movement for more information on these soundtracks, we just need to think about how we go about doing it. Individual album pages would have my vote, as long as we are discerning with exactly what we put on them. --Snaptor(talk) 01:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
I get what you're saying. But given the amount of verifiable information that's currently available on the soundtracks (keep in mind it's only 3 albums, maybe eventually 4 if we're lucky), I really think a single cumulative page would be the best fit, at least for now. It would be better to have a page that encompasses all of the soundtracks in a complete and concise way rather than have multiple pages that are fairly short and contain redundant information. I would of course be very open to edits by other users, especially since there could be additional relevant information I am leaving out. --Metalla (talk) 04:59, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay, been a little over a month since this section had any activity so I kinda wanted to touch base. Opinions on this AFC seem pretty mixed so far, though it doesn't look like a lot of people have voted. To anyone who has a definitive opinion on whether this article should be created or not, I'd love for you to share it and/or cast your vote in the appropriate section, as I'm eager to have a more clear idea of whether this thing is gonna fly or not. Furthermore, the possibility of creating individual pages for each of the 3 albums has been suggested; if more people voice approval for that idea, I'd be willing to change the proposal (or create a new one altogether) and advocate for the creation of those instead. --Metalla (talk) 15:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

I think it is actually possible to create another voting option for the individual albums in the same poll - some others have added third sections after another option becomes apparent. --Snaptor(talk) 09:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Rename "Reformation of Spherus Magna" to "Restoration of Spherus Magna"

I think "reformation" is a poor choice of word here. The word "reformation" normally refers to correcting an institution or practice, not repairing a physical thing. It also has religious undertones. The term "restoration" would be more suitable.

Definitions: reformation, restoration

Do rename "Reformation of Spherus Magna" to "Restoration of Spherus Magna"

  1. Planetperson 00:20, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
  2. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
  3. SurelNuva (Talk) 17:29, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
  4. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 23:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
  5. --"LBX battle on!!!" ~Prof. Srlojohn 17:36, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
  6. "Reformation" never sat right with me, you hit the nail on the head. --Angel Bob (talk) 20:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't rename "Reformation of Spherus Magna" to "Restoration of Spherus Magna"

  1. Feels somewhat unnecessary, the three fragments are literally "re-forming" into Spherus Magna, so the new name actually feels more vague to me. Only real argument I can see against this is that restoration does better describe the re-greening stuff Mata Nui did. --Snaptor(talk) 23:05, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
  2. -- Toa Jala Converse 02:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Name "Reformation of Spherus Magna" to something else

Comments on renaming "Reformation of Spherus Magna"

Rename "Assembler's Villages" to "Assembler's Village"

It doesn't really make sense for the page name to be in plural, in comparison to other pages such as Rahi (Artakha Bull, Stone Rat, etc.), objects (Zamor Launcher), occupations (Crafter). Additionally the BEU entry on page 11 is not in plural. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Do rename "Assembler's Villages" to "Assembler's Village"

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
  2. -- Toa Jala Converse 02:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Don't rename "Assembler's Villages" to "Assembler's Village"

  1. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ~Prof. Srlojohn 20:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
  2. The closest comparison that comes to my mind is Matoran Homes, and that's plural. --Snaptor(talk) 02:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Comments on renaming "Assembler's Villages"

i say no, because some of the guides say that there are multiple villages spread around Po-metru. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ~Prof. Srlojohn 20:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Right, but there are also multiple Zamor Launchers? ~ Wolk (talk) 20:59, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
A long time ago, back when the Vahki staffs were their own pages, there was a conversation about how they were named plurally ("Staffs of Command") while the Rahkshi staffs were named singularly ("Staff of Anger"). Somebody told me it was because each single Vahki had multiple staffs, but each single Rahkshi had only one staff. Not sure how to apply that to this, but thought it was worth mentioning. Is it accurate to describe this page as about the Assembler's Villages as a collective unit? -- Master Inika (Talk) 21:25, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

To expand on the comment I made in my vote; this seems to be a common trend for "plural locations". Chute Stations, Sea Gates, and Stalactite Villages are all examples of this, in addition to Matoran Homes that I mentioned above. If we really want to make this change, it really should be an all-or-nothing attempt, which is why I voted against just renaming the Assembler's Villages. I would be more open to a full renaming of plural locations, but would still need to hear the arguments. --Snaptor(talk) 23:27, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Glatorian action figure game

I was looking this up the other day to remind myself of the rules. For some reason though, there's only a note in the set information for glatorian of all places. It seems strange for it to not have it's own page, or at least it's separate section or sub section on the glatorian page. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ~Prof. Srlojohn 20:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

make "Glatorian action figure game"

  1. --"♫We're driving old smokey! Porkchop's at the wheel! When we hit the junk realm, we'll make the drones squeal!♫" ~Prof. Srlojohn 20:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
  2. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:32, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
  3. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
  4. --MightBeAlon (talk) 14:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  5. Yes, because the game also involved titans and Agori. -- Toa Jala Converse 02:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

make section on Glatorian

Don't make either

Comments

so, how many votes are needed to get approval? --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ~Prof. Srlojohn 19:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Per the rules on BIONICLEsector01:Articles for Creation you need three more votes, unless someone votes no, in which case you need five more. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Were the rules only ever listed in the back of manuals, or was there a "better" version listed anywhere? --MightBeAlon (talk) 14:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

maybe on the website, if not that's it then. Though there were slightly different rules for; single, double, +Agori, and Vehicle. --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ~Prof. Srlojohn 18:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Makes sense. It might be worth someone scoping out the possible variations between them and compiling the differences, if any, between the potentially different rules on this hypothetical Agori Game page. --MightBeAlon (talk) 18:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
agori game? it was just an add on to the normal --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ~Prof. Srlojohn 18:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Whoops, I meant to call it the Glatorian Game but had a brainfart --MightBeAlon (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
The website used to have "interactive" tutorials for each of the four variants (it was like a glorified slideshow, but it explained things pretty well.) I don't know if anybody (BioMediaProject/Wayback Machine) has these preserved? --Snaptor(talk) 23:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


Put Rahi Challenges on it's own page

I feel it would be appropriate to allocate the Rahi Challenge expansion for BIONICLE:Quest for the Masks it's own page; it was released several months later as it's own design, would help give better distinction between itself and the base game. --MightBeAlon (talk) 23:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes: Create Bionicle: Rahi Challenge

  1. MightBeAlon (talk) 23:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

No: Do not create Bionicle: Rahi Challenge

Comments on proposal to create Bionicle: Rahi Challenge

This is just my general ignorance on the card games themselves, but are the two sets not compatible? New rules is all fine and dandy, but if it's actually just an expansion, then I'd say they should stay on the same page. -- Dorek Talk External Image 02:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


Proposal to create Trouble for Tahu

After the three-part story told in Legend of Lewa, the Adventures magazine published another two comics telling a connected story. For some reason, these comics are mentioned in all of one place on the wiki that I could find. I've just thrown together a sandboxed proposal - so far as I can tell, this seems like an obvious page to make? I'm against putting this content on the existing page for the first three Adventures comics, as Trouble for Tahu / Time of the Toa is explicitly a separate story. The Wadapan (talk) 22:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes: Create Trouble for Tahu

  1. The Wadapan (talk) 22:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  2. Should definitely have them in some capacity, whether on their own page or in a merged page. --777stairs (talk) 04:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
  3. I definitely see the point about other comics not sharing a page. Nonetheless, this one should be mentioned somewhere. ~ Wolk (talk) 05:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

No: Do not create Trouble for Tahu

Place content for Trouble for Tahu on the page for Legend of Lewa

  1. Makes the most sense to me. Page would obviously need to be renamed, though. --Snaptor(talk) 02:21, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Comments on proposal to create Trouble for Tahu

Could I get some more info on the magazine they were published in? Maybe a single page for both comics might be a better fit. -- Dorek Talk External Image 03:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
LEGO Adventures! Magazine. Published in a few European countries in the late '90s/early '00s. Standard format for UK kids' magazines, where each issue would have a mixture of short comic strips, simple articles, and activities (spot the difference, join the dots, that kind of thing). The five Bionicle strips (three for the Lewa/Gali story, two for the Tahu story) were, as far as I'm aware, published across five consecutive 2001 issues. Jalaguy (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
So I guess my question is what delineates this as a separate story? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to all be part of one series with the occasional sub-heading? I'm just trying to wrap my head around the organizing. I'm pro creating a page for it in general, I just wonder the best way to order it all. -- Dorek Talk External Image 00:39, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
There's a much stronger split between "The Legend of Lewa/Gali's Tale" and "Trouble for Tahu/Time of the Toa" than there is between, well, basically any two consecutive issues of the main comic! Not just in terms of narrative - the narration in the comic itself clearly states "THE END" at the end of each multi-part story, with "TO BE CONTINUED" at the end of the individual parts comprising those stories. Each of the three 2002 McDonalds comics has its own page, and those are certainly individually comparable to the parts making up "The Legend of Lewa". The Papercutz #8 comics have separate pages, despite being published together, because they're different stories - each individual part of these comics was published alone, and it seems very strange to throw them all on one page! Those are just a couple of examples, but in terms of comic book material the precedent on this wiki is certainly to place each individual comic on their own page - I'd argue the page for "The Legend of Lewa" already breaks precedent as it stands, and should really be split across three pages (though I don't actually want to see that happen; having that three-parter on one page is convenient in a lot of ways, but I think throwing in the Tahu two-parter as well muddies the waters unnecessarily).
As a side point, correct me if I'm wrong, but the existing page seems to be at the wrong name - it's "The Legend of Lewa", not just "Legend of Lewa". So that should really be moved. If you need that to be a separate proposal, I guess it can be. --The Wadapan (talk) 20:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I see your point, but am not convinced. Plenty of the online animations were completely separate uploads, but they are almost always contained on a single page for the grouping. I feel like the defining factor here is length - these are really short stories, and there seems to be little point giving them separate pages when sub-headings would probably do the trick. Perhaps the other examples you gave also need a compilation; Articles for Deletion is making a push to compile like pages at the moment. Still open to the idea of separate pages, but not persuaded yet. --Snaptor(talk) 03:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The Legend of Lewa page should definitely be moved to "The Legend of Lewa", in my opinion. Is it necessairy to make an AFC for that? ~ Wolk (talk) 05:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Gallery:sets

I noticed that we while we do have a gallery for prototypes sets, we do not have a gallery for actual set images. ~ Wolk (talk) 22:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes: Create gallery:sets

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 22:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  2. Could be handy, really. --Snaptor(talk) 08:21, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  3. this would be nice. --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ~Prof. Srlojohn 15:25, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  4. -- Toa Jala Converse 03:03, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

No: Do not create gallery:sets

Comments on proposal to create gallery:sets

I'm not opposed, I just don't see anyone willing to do the legwork =P. If someone were to actually create one, I certainly wouldn't complain. -- Dorek Talk External Image 07:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I can give it a shot. I'll need some help on formatting though, so I know what templates an whatnot. --"I wanted show that humans are not gods, nor are we monsters, i wanted people to think about what it means to be human" -Lex ~Prof. Srlojohn 15:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to split Fenrakk into Fenrakk Spawn and Fenrakk/Kardas/Kardas Dragon

Currently Fenrakk is an article about the Fenrakk spawn species, with a subsection on the mutated specimen called Fenrakk. I think the specimen is significant enough that Fenrakk should just discuss that particular spider, and the Fenrakk spawn species should have a separate page--just like how Pewku and Ussal are separate pages. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

UPDATE: Per the discussion below, I've rethought the proposal. First, let's vote on whether or not to give Fenrakk the individual a separate article from the Fenrakk spawn species. If that vote passes, then we can determine what to call that article: Fenrakk, Kardas, or Kardas Dragon. (If we pick the latter two options, we'll incorporate Fenrakk's info into the existing Kardas Dragon article.) I've moved around the existing votes to reflect the new proposal. Of course still feel free to change your vote if I've moved it. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes: Cover Fenrakk and the Fenrakk spawn species in distinct articles

If this option wins, we can figure out what to call both new articles/whether or not the new Fenrakk article should be merged with Kardas Dragon.

  1. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  2. Definitely a good idea.— SurelNuva (Talk) 21:48, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
  3. ~ Wolk (talk) 10:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
  4. --Creep 22:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  5. I always thought there was something weird about the format of that page, but you've hit the nail on the head. I have strong opinions on what the new page should be named, though. --Snaptor(talk) 10:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  6. ~ Zumoro Rahkshi - Mouth-speak {Helpings} 03:07, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

No: Do not cover Fenrakk and the Fenrakk spawn species in distinct articles

If this option wins, we can figure out whether or not we should move the Fenrakk article to Fenrakk Spawn.

Comments on proposal to split Fenrakk into Fenrakk Spawn and Fenrakk/Kardas/Kardas Dragon

In that case, would it not be better to move Fenrakk to Kardas Dragon seeing as they are the same individual in different forms? Alone, I don't see us having enough information for a page on Fenrakk. ~ Wolk (talk) 10:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Good point. I'd also be in favor of moving my vote to Kardas, rather than Kardas Dragon, because the Rahi is called Kardas in BEU and MGttU. But, my goal with this proposal was to move the Fenrakk info off of the page about the the Fenrakk spawn species--we can figure out article names later. I've updated the proposal and moved your vote accordingly. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I do get the Ussal page comparison, but I gotta say I'm not really feeling this. It's a confusing enough situation as it is; they were introduced to the audience as "Fenrakk" and then "Fenrakk Spawn" but the Fenrakk Spawn are basically the original, even though that's not what the name implies at all? I think it's fine as is. -- Dorek Talk External Image 17:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah Fenrakk spawn is a misnomer. I suspect it's an out-of-universe nickname, but there's no confirmation for that afaik. Regardless, if we don't split the page up, we should at least move it to "Fenrakk Spawn" since that's the actual subject of the article. The current setup is analogous to calling the Ash Bear article "Graalok." -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
My understanding (admittedly this is an uncertain topic) is that the "Fenrakk Spawn Spiders" are distinct from ordinary "Fenrakk" which are distinct again from Vezon's specific Fenrakk (which I think we should refer to as Kardas, it the same sense that we say Takanuva and not Takua). --Snaptor(talk) 10:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)