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Soo what should we do??? -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:40, 2 March 2017 (CET)
Soo what should we do??? -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:40, 2 March 2017 (CET)
::So, I just discovered an entry called "Hiatus" (a term used by Lesovikk ti describe his time wandering through the universe), wich states all those facts, so I'm gonna add that. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 16:47, 2 March 2017 (CET)
::So, I just discovered an entry called "Hiatus" (a term used by Lesovikk to describe his time wandering through the universe), which states all those facts, so I'm gonna add that. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 16:47, 2 March 2017 (CET)
:::Thanks. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:59, 2 March 2017 (CET)

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I'm glad someone was awake enough to try to handle this :) You have my thanks. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)

Again, great job about reverting that vandals edits! I'm PMing some staff members about this. --Vartemp Talk 15:21, 31 January 2016 (CET)

And again you helped out with a vandal attack. Thanks again for being around and being willing to help =) ζoxHistories External Image

Set Pages

Are you in charge of them? -- Toa Jala The AFC needs your help! 06:37, 19 March 2016 (CET)

Not really, I just edit them, because some pages are lacking in content :) -- Surel-nuva (talk) 09:04, 19 March 2016 (CET)
Oh haha okay. Well, anyway, good work. I was wondering how you would feel about incorporating some of these images into the set pages. For example, this image would be an early version of Set:8729. Do you think they should be put right on the pages, or if we should stick a link in a "See Also" section? The latter was what ET recommended. -- Toa Jala The AFC needs your help! 07:48, 20 March 2016 (CET)
Something like this? -- Surel-nuva (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2016 (CET)

Actually, the idea was that once Gallery:Prototypes gets passed in AfC, that section would lead the visitor to the gallery. If they clicked on that link, their screen would look something like this. I kinda like yours better, though. Maybe we should do both, so once the gallery gets passed, it'll look like this:

See Also

So yeah, why don't we do what you did with 8729? When the gallery gets passed, we'll add a link there. :D -- Toa Jala The AFC needs your help! 05:16, 21 March 2016 (CET)

Help with Canister Sets

Can I ask you for a favor? I've been kinda busy in Real Life moving. Zo;tomana says we should add [[Category:Medium Sets]] to all the Canister Set pages EXCEPT the Stars. Would you mind helping me with that please? Maybe you could do 2006-2009? I've already done 2001 and 2002 and I'm working on 2003 right now. -- Toa Jala Order a Sig! 04:52, 7 April 2016 (CET)

I'll do it -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 10:20, 7 April 2016 (CET)
Thank you so much. Love the new sig. -- Toa Jala Converse 06:52, 11 April 2016 (CET)

Re: Toa Code

I know. Sometimes the redirect is weird and takes the user to the top of the page rather than to the right section (well, it happens to me, anyway). :P -- Toa Jala Converse 07:07, 22 May 2016 (CET)

The full link is doing the same thing (with me) by the way :D -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 09:10, 22 May 2016 (CET)
Ah. >_> Well, either way, The Great Dorek hath spoken, so... -- Toa Jala Converse 19:19, 23 May 2016 (CET)

Matau's Quote

That's my fav, too! :D -- Toa Jala Converse 18:38, 5 June 2016 (CET)

Sourcing Question

I noticed [[1]] edit. Just curious, where were they called the elemental stars? Intelligence4 (talk) 19:15, 6 September 2016 (CET)

also, thanks for making [2] edit. i've been meaning to do that, but i forgot about it until just now haha. it looks so much better! Intelligence4 (talk) 19:35, 6 September 2016 (CET)

Originally, I edited the pages, that their locations are the "sky". But someone rewrote them into "Elemental Star of "Element", so I edited the pages again and again. And the Elemental Stars are better name for them then the Spirit stars, because the G2 Toa live on these. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:49, 6 September 2016 (CET)

Ah, that makes sense, and I agree :) Intelligence4 (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2016 (CET)

And sorry, the 'bird of prey" doesn't come from the website, but from the Revenge of the Skull Spiders -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:57, 6 September 2016 (CET)
lol :)


can you pass the adventures PDF sweetie? --- Creep 17:54, 25 November 2016 (CET)

You can find them there. These are pictures of them, I used a program to convert them into PDFs :) I'd pass them to you, but I know no way to do it

-- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 18:12, 25 November 2016 (CET)

Oh hey I remember this, from good old /biog/ in 4chan. Forgot this existed. Thanks brother --- Creep 18:14, 25 November 2016 (CET)


Can you check if the 2006 comics link work for you? I might have messed up the links... --- Creep 22:55, 25 November 2016 (CET)

Interesting. Nor want they work for me. But the Glatorian Comics links are working, I don't know why. Maybe it is a glitch of the BMP. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:02, 25 November 2016 (CET)
They work when I copy the URL, but the hyperlink seems to redirect to the main page for some reason. Don't know what to do. --- Creep 23:08, 25 November 2016 (CET)
Checked once more the "0" and worked. I think we might open up from BMP first. That was the way, this worked for me. But I don't why. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:13, 25 November 2016 (CET)

Krana-Kal telepathy

Bzgl. http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php?title=Krana-Kal&curid=2801&diff=112701&oldid=112698

I read everywhere, that the Bohrok-Kal (meaning all Bohrok-Kal) could communicate telepathically, so I assume that all Krana-Kal had telepathical abilities. Is this right? (If so, this information should be added to Krana-Kal and to Bohrok-Kal.) Krana-Za-Kals additional abilities are reading non-communicative minds and sensing strong emotions.

(The telepathy could also go out from an other area of the Bohrok-Kals body, if not from the Krana.)

--- MKW (talk)

The information about the Krana-Kal are came from the Comic 11: A Matter of Time... comic description, so we don't need to change it. Can you see? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:19, 26 November 2016 (CET)
So, do all Krana-Kal have telepathical abilities? The Bohrok-Kal article says: "[...] They [the Bohrok-Kal] also gained the ability to communicate telepathically and speak the Matoran language. [...] They were powered by Krana-Kal and could telepathically communicate in the Matoran Language. [...]"
This sounds like all the Bohrok-/Krana-Kal had telepathical abilities! Is this just bad formulated?

--- MKW (talk)

No. The Krana-Kal could communicate in Matoran language via the Bohrok-Kal. And All Bohrok-Kal have the ability to communicate in matoran telepathically. But that kind of Krana-Kal [Krana Za-Kal] have telepathical ability without any Bohrok-Kal. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:35, 26 November 2016 (CET)
Oops, right, sry. I was unsure, now I scrolled and read the Krana article in the magazine. Thx, now I understand
--- MKW (talk) 19:41, 26 November 2016 (CET)

Vahki Online Animations

I'm pretty sure the VOA are canon, was it ever stated they weren't? OnionShark 14:10, 29 November 2016 (CET)

Where was it stated that they are cannon? These were just promotional video to show the Vahki abilities. "in 2003 LEGO moved Bionicle development to their UK offices so we weren’t that involved when we worked on the Vahki animations. All we knew was setting, bad guys and abilities. The matorans shown are hapless randoms, any similarity is purely coincidental." -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 15:57, 29 November 2016 (CET)
Also every single Vahki page sates that the VOA are non-canon -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 15:58, 29 November 2016 (CET)

"As related by Turaga Vakama"

Vakama told the story of the Toa Hagah, Takanuva wrote it down. Can't be an error since Greg specifically wrote "Takua" more than once in that tale. --- Creep 16:50, 29 November 2016 (CET)

Oh, Okay, Thanks. I read "Taka Nuva" a couple of times, but the "Takua" was the one that I didn't understand.

Also, do anyone know who voiced Rahaga Kualus in the "Shadow Play"? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 16:57, 29 November 2016 (CET)

He would have been the voice actor from the movie, but the credits do not mention him. I did some research online and I couldn't find anything about him.
OnionShark 18:40, 29 November 2016 (CET)

FaRotS Scans

Could you tell me where you found those scans? Thanks =) --OnionShark 20:10, 18 January 2017 (CET)

There, but it's russian. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:20, 18 January 2017 (CET)
isn't that comic on the bmp? Intelligence4 (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2017 (CET)
Actually, it isn't. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 15:13, 20 January 2017 (CET)
huh, would have thought they'd have archived it. is there an english version anywhere? (can i assume you can read russian?) Intelligence4 (talk) 15:21, 20 January 2017 (CET)
I'v just found it, but I can't read it for I haven't learnt russian. The FaRotS, the AOSR, and the TET were exclusive comics, only available in their Graphic Novels. Just like the Hydraxon's Tale, so I'm glad that the Hydraxon's Tale was uploaded in 2009 to a site, but it has been removed. (Fortunately, it was translated into hungarian by a fan, so I could read it in my language, and maybe it hasn't been removed from BrickShelf.) Maybe I could try to translate it, but it won't be a perfect-masterpiece translation :D -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 16:26, 20 January 2017 (CET)
since when are you hungarian. I thought you were american. --- Creep 07:26, 21 January 2017 (CET)
I've been learning english since I got interested in the BIONICLE's story (via the MNOG and MNOG2 in 2006, later the story serials & podcasts in 2007. I've become a fan in 2004, my first set was a Bordakh, but I was just 7 years old), and I wanted to read it in enlgish and understand what was written there (BS01). I know I make mistakes when I'm editing the pages but I'm trying not to make them, but sometimes I just mistype and didn't notice it in the "show preview." -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 08:34, 21 January 2017 (CET)

do you ever use english in your day to day life? your english is quite good, actually... i would have never guessed it wasn't your first language. Is hydraxon's tale up on the internet anywhere? that was another one i never got to read. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Yes, I use it everyday. First place, I learn english in school, on the other hand I use english while I'm here. And there's the comic in hungarian. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 09:34, 22 January 2017 (CET)
i knew someone linked me to that comic from this site haha - thanks!. (it's much shorter than i thought it would be lol.) Intelligence4 (talk) 20:38, 23 January 2017 (CET)


In various Q&A's, he said that fact was inaccurate himself, could you tell me where I could find this "Original Concept?" --OnionShark 19:58, 21 January 2017 (CET)

As I said. Check the 9th and the last 2015 Online Animations. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:11, 21 January 2017 (CET)
Oh, you meant the animations? He stated that he had no idea of why he was cited in the credits, because of the reasons I talked about in my edit's summary, maybe tomorrow I can search the exact post. And thanks for the sig =)
--OnionShark 23:29, 21 January 2017 (CET)

your set collection

your bio notes that you've been a fan since 2004 - how'd you collect the 2001 sets like the turaga after they weren't on sale anymore? are they recent internet finds? Intelligence4 (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2017 (CET)

Yes, they are. The my pre-2004 sets were bought after 2010 from various sites. :) And as I said, the HT was uploaded online, but it has been removed. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:29, 23 January 2017 (CET)


Does this mean we're uncertain that Helryx is/was the first toa?? On another note... you wouldn't happen to have an english version of bionicle world would you? that's one of the last books i never got to read haha Intelligence4 (talk) 00:57, 23 January 2017 (CET)

I have just the translated word document. Oh, and we know that in-story, the BIONICLE World was written by Helryx (a.k.a. the first Toa of Water), and the original english version would be like this : "Artakha was also the birthplace of the first Toa. The name of this Toa was lost through the centuries, we only know that it was a Toa of Water, and she participated in the construction of Metru Nui." -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 01:15, 23 January 2017 (CET)
ah ha, so that's how we figured it out :) So... did artakha make helryx too? (would that make helryx and the nuva... siblings??? :D) Intelligence4 (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2017 (CET)
also, i don't remember now where it was, but i was linked from another page on here (i think...) to a hungarian translation of hydraxon's tale that was on brickshelf. you wouldn't happen to know if there was an english one floating around the internet somewhere would you? i've been unable to find one so far, but idk, you never know. Intelligence4 (talk) 20:22, 23 January 2017 (CET)
No. The GBs created Helryx (Official Greg Discussion) and awakened on Artakha (BIONICLE: World). The Toa Mata were created by Artakha (the being) on Artakha (on his island), and awakened on Daxia. The comic thing was answered on my talkpage. :) -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:46, 23 January 2017 (CET)

that makes sense. sometimes it can get confusing talking on so many talk pages at once! haha :) Intelligence4 (talk) 17:52, 25 January 2017 (CET)

There we go, now, it'll be more comfortable to use only this/my talk page. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 19:23, 25 January 2017 (CET)

Re: Spaces

Sorry, I was trying to cut down on the bytes used per page (and by extension, the site as a whole). I didn't mean to cause a problem. :/ -- Toa Jala Converse 21:28, 31 January 2017 (CET)

Originally, I did the same thing, but I realized that almost every page have these, so removing them would take more time than I have. And When I edited the pages I hardly could see how many "=" wrote before and after the names/words. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:39, 31 January 2017 (CET)

Two things about the SC tag

Are you sure that VNOG should be considered Semi-Canon? Ok, the locations and Rahi are canon and the story isn't, but that doesn't make the game semi-canon. By that logic, all of the '06 games are Semi-Canon because they contain locations and characters that are canon. Something is Semi-Canon in correlation to the story, a part of it being canon and another one non-canon, like the battle with the Manas in MNOG. And when was it stated that GA 1-2 were canon in any way? ~OnionShark 16:39, 22 February 2017 (CET)

One of the Farshtey Feeds states that the GA1 is canon. And if You check the GA1 and GA2 pages you would see that I wasn't the one who credited them semi-canon. And the VNOG have some story related parts which are canon. (eg. the sinking of the Ignika, the freeing of the enslaved Matoran) -- SurelNuva (Talk) 17:22, 22 February 2017 (CET)
Also, I use the [[Category:Semi-canon Media]], so please check this. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 17:32, 22 February 2017 (CET)
Hmm, which parts of GA are canon? The market? (BTW, I was super-confused by your use of G1 and G2, I just stood there scratching my head for a minute wondering what you meant by saying that the FF once said that Generation 1 is canon lol). And I'm still not sure avout VNOG. I mean, Matoran Escape has Matoran escaping from the Piraka, and that happened in canon stories, does that make it semi-canon? On another note, when does VNOG show the Ignika sinking? It's been ages since I played it, but I don't recall that happening. ~OnionShark 22:24, 22 February 2017 (CET)
Eh, The Matoran Escape is set in the whole island rather than in the Piraka Stronghold. I've been re-playin' the game in this week, I'm at the last chapter, but I played it 3 or 4 times at least. The ending scene is that the Ignika is sinking in the waters after you beat Zaktan. Greg said that The Glatorian Arena game is canonical, but I've never played either of the three Glatorian Arenas, although the first two are labelled as semi-canon, maybe this semi-canon thing is connecting to the rules and fighting style of/in the Arena and what tha Agori say in the 1st game. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:56, 22 February 2017 (CET)
The fact that Glatorian Arena 2 features Mata Nui fighting in Arena Matches must be what makes it non-canon. Same thing applies with Glatorian Arena 3, where you can fight anyone vs anyone. Glatorian Arena 1 you have Gresh, Strakk, Tarix, a Skrall and Malum fighting each other, that's not too far-fetched. Well, and a Vorox. --- Creep 03:26, 23 February 2017 (CET)
Yeah, except of Mata Nui the other parts of the Glatorian Arena 2 could be canon so it makes the game semi-canon. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 14:48, 23 February 2017 (CET)

I'm going to jump in here to say that it seem inconsistent to consider something like the mnog and something like the vnog as both "semi-canon". the mnog more or less is canon (i can't think of any parts of it that aren't canon...?) while the vnog barely has any canon elements to it at all. i think we need to have a differentiating factor between stuff like that. Intelligence4 (talk) 17:18, 23 February 2017 (CET)

The manas fight is what makes the game semi canon. And the Hapka Books are semi-canon (except the 2nd one), the Shadow Toa fight, and the Bohrok-Kal online animations. Check the pages before you undo them.-- SurelNuva (Talk) 19:20, 23 February 2017 (CET)

Recent addition to your bio

What's LDD? Intelligence4 (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2017 (CET)

Lego Digital Designer. =) Well, I would need a Vahki head, Visorak foot pieces, Rahkshi heads, and a couple of more thing for Lariska, what the program doesn't have...-- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:18, 26 February 2017 (CET)
huh, cool, i didn't know such a thing was available. :) Intelligence4 (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2017 (CET)

The Hagah's formation

Your recent edits to the Timeline are based on the assumption that all Hagah teams were created at the same time, but we don't really know that, so please, unless it was stated anywhere that they were, revert the edits. ~OnionShark 20:36, 27 February 2017 (CET)

Why would be the Hagah teams created in different periods? NO source says that they were banded together in diff. periods. And If Morris or Dorek reverts it, OK, but please, you don't. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 20:39, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Why not? Somebody might not feel the need for something now but might in a few years, and no source says they were created at the same time either, it could be both, and in fact here's this quote from 2005:
Feb 24 2005, 10:37 AM
7. How Long Were The Toa Rahaga Makuta's Body-Guard's
7) A while ... probably a few years at least
A few years, and that certainly couldn't be the same for Spiriah's team. Please revert the edits yourself.
PS Why is it ok if Dorek and Morris do it but not me? ~OnionShark 20:54, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Oh Gosh! Really??? In 2005 there was no Spiriah, no Antroz and co. The ONLY Makuta was Teridax. There's a lota of things in the story what have changed since 2005. I asked Greg about it, and until he answer, it remains. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:20, 27 February 2017 (CET)
What you're saying does not make sense. Do you realize that it's based only on something that has never been confirmed, and that has evidence against it? And what kind of an argument is "stuff changed"? How do you know that that particular question was later retconed? Who cares if the BoM characters didn't exist, what Greg says is canon. As I already said, somebody might not feel the need for something now but might in a few years. Your edits go against canon, so they shouldn't remain for any reason, and you should undo them. ~OnionShark 21:53, 27 February 2017 (CET)
@OnionShark, SN is presumably okay with Dorek and Morris reverting his edits because they're staff, and they have authority we can't disagree with. However, I would go so far as to say he should yield to you (and me) in this case; all the evidence is against the edits he's made.
SN, it seems like all of your arguments are based on the idea that the Toa Hagah were only hired to safeguard the Makuta after their evolution. Yet there's no source that ever states this, and since we have Greg answers stating that Spiriah had a team, it can't be the case. Even if he agrees with your idea on the LMBs, we'll have to ignore that answer, because earlier answers take precedence. There's no evidence for your position and no hope of confirming it. You're normally quite reasonable; is this really the hill you want to die on? --Angel Bob (talk) 22:21, 27 February 2017 (CET)
I'm a bit hot-headed today, more likely furious. But that Toa Hagah thing made me more ranged than I was, so I want to make this whole thing clear, once for all. Exactly, the idea of Spiriah (a non-sense member, who couldn't even create a normal Rahi[1]) had bodyguards long before Teridax, the actual Leader is just ridiculous... -- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:27, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Ehh I don't see why or how Spiriah being bad at Rahi-making would have anything to do with him having a Hagah team, and Teridax was really, really full of himself, underestimating his foes (it got him killed), so I think it fits that he initially wouldn't feel the need for a Hagah team. ~OnionShark 22:31, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Wait, so I am clearly missing part of the argument. Is it confirmed that Teridax didn't have a Toa Hagah team until later? What time did he get the team, and what source says that? If you're basing this on NOGLB, there's no need for that - we only know the story takes place 7,000+ years ago, so it could easily take place 70,000+ years ago. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Yes, I placed the NOGLB in 75,000 years ago, before Spiriah Self-Exile, and that's what's on OnionShark's arguing. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:34, 27 February 2017 (CET)
From my second post:
Feb 24 2005, 10:37 AM
7. How Long Were The Toa Rahaga Makuta's Body-Guard's
7) A while ... probably a few years at least
"A" few. The "few" and the "a few" don't have the same meaning. The "A few years" easily could be 60,000 years. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:40, 27 February 2017 (CET)
If that's the case, then it seems obvious: the Hagah were hired 75,000+ years ago, and NOGLB happened before then. So, is the issue settled? --Angel Bob (talk) 22:44, 27 February 2017 (CET)

It's clear that he was talking in Earth terms, and there's no way that more than half of the MU's history would be considered "a few years." ~OnionShark 22:45, 27 February 2017 (CET)
I don't think that's clear at all. All we can assume, from what Greg said, is that the Toa Hagah served for "a while". This period of time was at least "a few years". Whether a few years is 10-15 or 65,000+, that doesn't matter - that's the lower bound. He didn't give any upper bound, so you can't use this quote to argue that the Toa Hagah couldn't have served for millennia. I'm sorry, but that's too narrow of an interpretation. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:03, 27 February 2017 (CET)
I asked Greg about it. We'll see the answer. If the answer is yes, that whole "Toa Hagah formation" was shakespearean. I mean: Much Ado About Nothing. 'Cause the yes would mean that the whole NOGLB must happen more than 75,000 years ago. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 23:11, 27 February 2017 (CET)
I'm a little concerned that we may not see the answer, since the LMBs are going into read-only mode tonight. Even if Greg can't clear up the timeline for us, though, we at least agree that Spiriah had a Toa Hagah team, correct? --Angel Bob (talk) 23:16, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Could we leave the timeline like how it is now? it still doesn't make any sense to hire seven the Guardian Heroes (literally: Toa Hagah) groups in different times. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 23:21, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Yeah, I think we can safely use Occam's Razor and leave it the way it is now. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:23, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Still, you haven't explained why it wouldn't make sense, SN. If you could do that, it would make the discussion easier. And remember SN, if the answer is yes.
@Angel Bob Yes, SN asked Greg and he answered that the armor had nothing to do with the Hagah. ~OnionShark 23:31, 27 February 2017 (CET)
I connecting it to the evolution no more. I'm connecting it to the simple logic that a leader won't hire bodyguards for anyone before himself. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 23:35, 27 February 2017 (CET)
As I already said, Teridax was really, really full of himself, underestimating his foes (it got him killed), so I think it fits that he initially wouldn't feel the need for a Hagah team and somebody might not feel the need for something now but might in a few years. I don't think that what you're sayng is a good argument, people can think in many different ways, and I'd say that Terry is the type of person who wouldn't feel the need for the Hagah, at least initially, and really, why couldn't he make one later? It's not like it was required to have a team, many Makuta chose not to have one. ~OnionShark 23:46, 27 February 2017 (CET)
He hired 3 DHs, 'cause he didn't want to kill the Toa Mangai by himself. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 23:48, 27 February 2017 (CET)
DHs were for killing, the Hagah were for protecting. ~OnionShark 23:52, 27 February 2017 (CET)
? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 23:54, 27 February 2017 (CET)
Your point being..? ~OnionShark 00:12, 28 February 2017 (CET)
What would happen if I Ask sy from Greg, and I'm waiting for his answer, You don't say anything in contact with it on LMB. I know what you're thinking about it, but As Angel-Bob says, the "a few" could easily mean more than 75,000 years. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 13:19, 28 February 2017 (CET)
Sorry, I don't understand the first part of your post, I guess you just mistyped some words. And for the second part, 75,000 years is 3 fourths of the MU's history (100,002~ years), how can it be considered "a few years?" Anyway, since the LMB are read-only now, I think we'll not get the answer, but chances are it was already answered in a OGT, so I'll try to find it now. ~OnionShark 14:10, 28 February 2017 (CET)
I meant to say, that I'm annoyed by the things about it. I asked Greg about the formation of the Toa Hagah, and you also wrote a variant of the quote what you wrote there too. Leave Greg to answer this. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:26, 28 February 2017 (CET)
Oh, so you are not ok with him knowing the full context? ~OnionShark 00:07, 1 March 2017 (CET)
I added that, didn't you see, did you? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 00:08, 1 March 2017 (CET)
You added what? ~OnionShark 07:15, 1 March 2017 (CET)


I checked Lesovikk's, the Visorak's, and the Rahi Nui's BEU entries, and those events are not in any of them. Could you give me the date of that post? It may have been fake, or it may have been an error. ~OnionShark 12:00, 2 March 2017 (CET)

From Official Greg Discussion:


 [quote name=" Erebus"]
 Nov 27 2007, 06:08 PM

14. Has Lesovikk ever been to Metru Nui? Because it states in the Encyclopedia 2 that he battled the Rahi Nui once. And I am pretty sure the Rahi Nui hasn’t been anywhere but Metru Nui and Mata Nui. And I doubt that Lesovikk has been to Mata Nui.

answ: 14) No. Why do you assume the Rahi Nui would never have been active anywhere else?

-- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:40, 2 March 2017 (CET)

But according to this from the Official Greg Dialogue:

[quote name="Weon Saturn”]

 Dec 17 2009, 10:49 AM

5- Two years ago you mentioned in the OGD that Lesovikk had both met the Rahi Nui, had explored some of the southern islands and that he had saved an island to the south of the Visorak. Are these facts still canon? I ask since they are sill on BS01.

answ: 5) Yes

-- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:40, 2 March 2017 (CET)

Should we use the 2nd as a Citation? For I searched the "Rahi Nui" in OGD and didn't find the question-- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:40, 2 March 2017 (CET)

Oh well, I found this: [spoiler][('2cc4f058a8d1db0809e20083c17a5610')" ["2cc4f058a8d1db0809e20083c17a5610" ][quote][quote]Hello Greg, just recived the new Encyclopedia, and some questions popped up:

1) In the What I belive to be the 2008 hint, It states that the Brotherhood is surrounding the core, to take control over the Ignika. How can they control the Ignika? And what they have in mind to complete the plan relates somehow to bring back Mata Nui, right?  


2) The term Hiatus used by Lesovikk states that he saved an entire island from the Visorak, and also battled the Rahi Nui. Are you going to go into more detail of those?  


3) Something that caught my atention was the part in which the OoMN states that he relys on the Toa Nuva, more Toa and Order members will go to help. Is among those Toa Krakua?  


4) Tahu Nuva entry states that he recovered Jaller's Hau. Did the Toa Nuva just get the Hau, or all masks?  


Thanks beforehand, :)br ]  

:n: :i: :g: :h: :t:[/quote]  


1) Well, they can control it if they keep anyone else from getting their hands on it. As for their plan, I am not going to discuss that.  

2) Not unless I miraculously find room and time to tell a flashback story, no  

3) Krakua has his role to play  

4) Just the Hau. That was Lhikan's mask so it has sentimental value -- the others were just Matoran masks, a dime a dozen, and not worth recovering[/quote][/spoiler]

Soo what should we do??? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:40, 2 March 2017 (CET)

So, I just discovered an entry called "Hiatus" (a term used by Lesovikk to describe his time wandering through the universe), which states all those facts, so I'm gonna add that. ~OnionShark 16:47, 2 March 2017 (CET)
Thanks. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:59, 2 March 2017 (CET)
  1. "Chapter 1." The Mutran Chronicles.