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<br> -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:12, 25 November 2016 (CET)
<br> -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:12, 25 November 2016 (CET)
::Oh hey I remember this, from good old /biog/ in 4chan. Forgot this existed. Thanks brother --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 18:14, 25 November 2016 (CET)
::Oh hey I remember this, from good old /biog/ in 4chan. Forgot this existed. Thanks brother --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 18:14, 25 November 2016 (CET)
== Um... ==
Can you check if the 2006 comics link work for you? I might have messed up the links... --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 22:55, 25 November 2016 (CET)
:Interesting. Nor want they work for me. But the Glatorian Comics links are working, I don't know why. Maybe it is a glitch of the BMP. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:02, 25 November 2016 (CET)
::They work when I copy the URL, but the hyperlink seems to redirect to the main page for some reason. Don't know what to do. --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 23:08, 25 November 2016 (CET)
:::Checked once more the "0" and worked. I think we might open up from BMP first. That was the way, this worked for me. But I don't why. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:13, 25 November 2016 (CET)


== Krana-Kal telepathy ==
== Krana-Kal telepathy ==
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:::: Oops, right, sry. I was unsure, now I scrolled and read the Krana article in the magazine. Thx, now I understand
:::: Oops, right, sry. I was unsure, now I scrolled and read the Krana article in the magazine. Thx, now I understand
:::: --- [[User:MKW|MKW]] ([[User talk:MKW|talk]]) 19:41, 26 November 2016 (CET)
:::: --- [[User:MKW|MKW]] ([[User talk:MKW|talk]]) 19:41, 26 November 2016 (CET)
== Vahki Online Animations ==
I'm pretty sure the VOA are canon, was it ever stated they weren't?
'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 14:10, 29 November 2016 (CET)
:Where was it stated that they are cannon? These were just promotional video to show the Vahki abilities. "in 2003 LEGO moved Bionicle development to their UK offices so we weren’t that involved when we worked on the Vahki animations. All we knew was setting, bad guys and abilities. The matorans shown are hapless randoms, any similarity is purely coincidental." -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 15:57, 29 November 2016 (CET)
::Also every single Vahki page sates that the VOA are non-canon -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 15:58, 29 November 2016 (CET)
== "As related by Turaga Vakama" ==
Vakama told the story of the Toa Hagah, Takanuva wrote it down. Can't be an error since Greg specifically wrote "Takua" more than once in that tale. --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 16:50, 29 November 2016 (CET)
:Oh, Okay, Thanks. I read "Taka Nuva" a couple of times, but the "Takua" was the one that I didn't understand.
Also, do anyone know who voiced Rahaga Kualus in the "Shadow Play"? -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:57, 29 November 2016 (CET)
::He would have been the voice actor from the movie, but the credits do not mention him. I did some research online and I couldn't find anything about him.
::'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 18:40, 29 November 2016 (CET)


== FaRotS Scans ==
== FaRotS Scans ==
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::i knew someone linked me to that comic from this site haha - thanks!. (it's much shorter than i thought it would be lol.) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:38, 23 January 2017 (CET)
::i knew someone linked me to that comic from this site haha - thanks!. (it's much shorter than i thought it would be lol.) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:38, 23 January 2017 (CET)


== GregF ==
== your set collection ==


In various Q&A's, he said that fact was inaccurate himself, could you tell me where I could find this "Original Concept?"
your bio notes that you've been a fan since 2004 - how'd you collect the 2001 sets like the turaga after they weren't on sale anymore? are they recent internet finds? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:39, 23 January 2017 (CET)
--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:58, 21 January 2017 (CET)


:As I said. Check the 9th and the last 2015 Online Animations. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:11, 21 January 2017 (CET)
:Yes, they are. The my pre-2004 sets were bought after 2010 from various sites. :) And as I said, the HT was uploaded online, but it has been removed. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:29, 23 January 2017 (CET)


::Oh, you meant the animations? He stated that he had no idea of why he was cited in the credits, because of the reasons I talked about in my edit's summary, maybe tomorrow I can search the exact post. And thanks for the sig =)
== Re: Spaces ==
::--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 23:29, 21 January 2017 (CET)


== your set collection ==
Sorry, I was trying to cut down on the bytes used per page (and by extension, the site as a whole). I didn't mean to cause a problem. :/ -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 21:28, 31 January 2017 (CET)
 
Originally, I did the same thing, but I realized that almost every page have these, so removing them would take more time than I have. And When I edited the pages I hardly could see how many "=" wrote before and after the names/words. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:39, 31 January 2017 (CET)
 
== Recent addition to your bio ==
 
What's LDD? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 22:07, 26 February 2017 (CET)
 
:'''L'''ego '''D'''igital '''D'''esigner. =) Well, I would need a Vahki head, Visorak foot pieces, Rahkshi heads, and a couple of more thing for Lariska, what the program doesn't have...-- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 22:18, 26 February 2017 (CET)
 
::huh, cool, i didn't know such a thing was available. :) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 23:27, 26 February 2017 (CET)
 
== Koronan ==
 
I never used Tohunga - that one's pretty obvious - but could I have a source for "Koronan" not being canon? Among other places, it still exists in the post-lawsuit revision of MNOG alongside "Matoran", and I don't see how it would fall under the purview of the lawsuit without "Koro" also being deemed unacceptable. Also, is it just me or are these Koro pages kinda bare on detail and images? [[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 23:04, 18 March 2017 (CET)
 
I mean, is there an ''official'' source for that? --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 00:18, 19 March 2017 (CET)


your bio notes that you've been a fan since 2004 - how'd you collect the 2001 sets like the turaga after they weren't on sale anymore? are they recent internet finds? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:39, 23 January 2017 (CET)
Here's the thing, though: In all of the examples you stated, they're only non-canon because they ''contradict the existing versions of those events in mainstream media.'' For example, it was already stated that there were only two Manas, so the depiction of multiple Manas in MNOG is non-canon, fair enough. However, there is ''nothing'' outside of MNOG stating that "Koronan" is an illegitimate term. For that matter, "-Koronan" technically means something entirely different from "-Matoran" - a Ta-Matoran is a type of Matoran who is imbued with the element of Fire; a Ta-Koronan is just someone who ''lives'' in Ta-Koro. For example, Vakama isn't a Ta-Matoran, but he ''is'' a Ta-Koronan.


:Yes, they are. The my pre-2004 sets were bought after 2010 from various sites. :) And as I said, the HT was uploaded online, but it has been removed. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:29, 23 January 2017 (CET)
The fact of the matter is, though, we cannot deem something non-canon just because Greg didn't mention it - it can only be considered noncanon if Greg or later writings EXPLICITLY say it is. As things stand, there is ''zero'' information supporting the claim that Koronan is non-canon. And frankly, to assume it's non-canon without any evidence is ''not'' how a Wiki should operate. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 15:59, 19 March 2017 (CET)
:Except, that's TOTALLY how a Wiki works. It is not canon, therefore it doesn't belong on the Wiki except in passing mention in Trivia sections only. It's like pointing at a Nintendo system, and calling it a Sega. Sure, someone probably CALLED it a Sega, but it isn't a Sega so it's therefore incorrect. Matoran were briefly called both Tohunga and Koronans, but those terms are obsolete and to continue to use that term in pages causes confusion. Therefore, we reflect the Wiki pages to say that. --<span class="plainlinks">[http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/User:Swert <img>http://biosector01.com/swert/WikiSig.png</img>]</span> <sup><font color="#09c2e3">Owner ([[User talk:Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Swert|<font color="#09c2e3">contribs</font>]])</font></sup>


== BIONICLE: World ==
::With all due respect, you keep insisting that it's not canon, but there's still nothing to support that. As previously stated, "Koronan" is NOT the same thing as "Matoran" - "Koronan" applies to anyone or anyTHING that hails from a given village - it's the Mata Nui equivalent of "Metruan". This is not to be equated with Tohunga, which is obsolete because it was explicitly replaced by the word Matoran, which means the exact same thing. However, since there exists no other word that means the same thing as "Koronan", I urge you to reconsider your position on this matter. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 07:01, 20 March 2017 (CET)


:::Can someone search the old Greg documents for any questions involving the term "Koronan"? That should clear this up. If he said the term is non canon, then it's no canon. But if he never said anything one way or the other, it's used in an official storyline source, so there's no reason not to accept it. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 17:40, 20 March 2017 (CET)


Does this mean we're uncertain that Helryx is/was the first toa??
::::The "Koronan" was ONLY used in the MNOG and its walktrough... and by the fans. but every time a fan asked Greg about the "koronan" (eg.: Le-Koronan) Greg answered with "matoran." (eg.: Le-Matoran) And since the maori thing the "koronan" word, along with the tohunga, are omitted from any media, except the MNOG. But no (non-semi canon) books, no comics, no Templar online animations use the "koronan" word. It is long forgotten with the tohunga, as I re-read the OGD stuff. And Swert is the owner, if he says the Koronan should not be here (except MNOG stuff), it must not be here. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:06, 20 March 2017 (CET)
On another note... you wouldn't happen to have an english version of bionicle world would you? that's one of the last books i never got to read haha [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 00:57, 23 January 2017 (CET)


:I have just the translated word document. Oh, and we know that in-story, the BIONICLE World was written by Helryx (a.k.a. the first Toa of Water), and the original english version would be like this : "Artakha was also the birthplace of the first Toa. The name of this Toa was lost through the centuries, we only know that it was a Toa of Water, and she participated in the construction of Metru Nui." -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 01:15, 23 January 2017 (CET)
:::::That ''still'' doesn't qualify as Greg decanonizing it - he could just be more accustomed to saying "Matoran", or be referring exclusively to them. But unless he contradicts its existence, there's no reason for us to assume it doesn't  exist. And while it is no longer possible for us to ask him if the term "Koronan" is canon, I don't see why he would say no - after all, the term could not have been part of the Maori lawsuit without the base word "Koro" also going the way of "Tohunga". Furthermore, since it has no other true equivalent in canon, the term is very much not obsolete.  


::ah ha, so that's how we figured it out :) So... did artakha make helryx too? (would that make helryx and the nuva... siblings??? :D) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:22, 23 January 2017 (CET)
The fact remains that there is no solid evidence for us to regard the term non-canon - at the very most, it is ''canonically ambiguous''. But unless someone here was officially given creative control over BIONICLE's story, none of us have the right to entirely omit established material from the recorded canon without concrete evidence that contradicts its existence. And frankly, such a "when in doubt, not canon" attitude can only be detrimental to the quality of this Wiki's content. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 21:22, 20 March 2017 (CET)


:::also, i don't remember now where it was, but i was linked from another page on here (i think...) to a hungarian translation of hydraxon's tale that was on brickshelf. you wouldn't happen to know if there was an english one floating around the internet somewhere would you? i've been unable to find one so far, but idk, you never know. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 20:22, 23 January 2017 (CET)
:I'm just reading all this, so i'm a little late to the party (and it seems that some of the comments were deleted anyway haha) but i'd like to chime in and say that the bionicle chronicles books did refer to some of the matoran as koronans. that said, i remember reading something that said that cathy hapka used that term in error, since she didn't have all the info on all the nuances of the diction to be used. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:40, 22 March 2017 (CET)


::::No. The GBs created Helryx (Official Greg Discussion) and awakened on Artakha (BIONICLE: World). The Toa Mata were created by Artakha (the being) on Artakha (on his island), and awakened on Daxia. The comic thing was answered on my talkpage. :) -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:46, 23 January 2017 (CET)
::You can find the other half on The Aimless Wanderer1's talk-page. '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:46, 22 March 2017 (CET)


that makes sense. sometimes it can get confusing talking on so many talk pages at once! haha :) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:52, 25 January 2017 (CET)
:::Yes, I've already read that. Unfortunately, Wiki material still doesn't qualify as an official source, since anyone can edit it. For that matter, the cited sentence could use some rewording: The way it's written, it seems to suggest that ALL instances of "Matoran" in MNOG were replaced by "Koronan" - which is far from the case in any version of MNOG. -- [[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 10:10, 28 March 2017 (CET)


:There we go, now, it'll be more comfortable to use only this/my talk page. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:23, 25 January 2017 (CET)
== Chat ==


== Re: Spaces ==
Surel-nuva could you please visit the chat? I want to discuss reasoning behind my few edits I did. Delete this if you need so.--[[User:BionicleMax|BionicleMax]] ([[User talk:BionicleMax|talk]]) 16:37, 22 March 2017 (CET)


Sorry, I was trying to cut down on the bytes used per page (and by extension, the site as a whole). I didn't mean to cause a problem. :/ -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 21:28, 31 January 2017 (CET)
It's better for me, because if you write something there, I'll get a notification on the top of the page(s), so I can answer, and usually, I don't check the chat. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:01, 22 March 2017 (CET)


Originally, I did the same thing, but I realized that almost every page have these, so removing them would take more time than I have. And When I edited the pages I hardly could see how many "=" wrote before and after the names/words. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:39, 31 January 2017 (CET)
== (Formerly) Format ==


== Two things about the SC tag ==
I think the reason you may have experienced "X (formerly), Y (formerly)" being changed to "X, Y (both formerly)" is because we used to list things all in one line, as opposed to using the <nowiki><br></nowiki> tabs. For a horizontal list like that, it makes more sense to have the (formerly) tag after both of them. For a vertical list, though, it really doesn't sit right with me. Does that makes sense to you? Think we ought to change it? --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:50, 23 March 2017 (CET)


Are you sure that VNOG should be considered Semi-Canon? Ok, the locations and Rahi are canon and the story isn't, but that doesn't make the game semi-canon. By that logic, all of the '06 games are Semi-Canon because they contain locations and characters that are canon. Something is Semi-Canon in correlation to the story, a part of it being canon and another one non-canon, like the battle with the Manas in MNOG. And when was it stated that GA 1-2 were canon in any way? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 16:39, 22 February 2017 (CET)
:No, I experienced after ''I'' started to list the things horizontally on the pages, because placing everything in 1 line made No sense for me, and this horizontal listing make the pages clearer (okay, also makes the infobox larger, but it worthy). It was either you or Morris, who removed the (formerly) tags after the different things and replaced them with a single (all/both formerly) tag having said that it should be like this. '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:21, 23 March 2017 (CET)


:One of the Farshtey Feeds states that the GA1 is canon. And if You check the GA1 and GA2 pages you would see that I wasn't the one who credited them semi-canon. And the VNOG have some story related parts which are canon. (eg. the sinking of the Ignika, the freeing of the enslaved Matoran) -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:22, 22 February 2017 (CET)
::Ha, really? I'd forgotten. My bad. Well, I've changed my mind: I would prefer to use the <nowiki>"X (formerly) <br> Y (formerly)"</nowiki> format that you tried to implement. Does that sound like a good idea? --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 23:31, 23 March 2017 (CET)
:Also, I use the <nowiki>[[Category:Semi-canon Media]]</nowiki>, so please check this. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:32, 22 February 2017 (CET)


:Hmm, which parts of GA are canon? The market? (BTW, I was super-confused by your use of G1 and G2, I just stood there scratching my head for a minute wondering what you meant by saying that the FF once said that Generation 1 is canon lol). And I'm still not sure avout VNOG. I mean, [[Matoran Escape]] has Matoran escaping from the Piraka, and that happened in canon stories, does that make it semi-canon? On another note, when does VNOG show the Ignika sinking? It's been ages since I played it, but I don't recall that happening. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 22:24, 22 February 2017 (CET)
:::I'm not 100% sure that it was you, It could be Morris, I don't remember exactly. For me the <nowiki>"x (formerly)<br>y (formerly)<br>z (formerly)" makes more sense than "x<br>y<br>z (all formerly)."</nowiki> — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:42, 23 March 2017 (CET)


::Eh, The Matoran Escape is set in the whole island rather than in the Piraka Stronghold. I've been re-playin' the game in this week, I'm at the last chapter, but I played it 3 or 4 times at least. The ending scene is that the Ignika is sinking in the waters after you beat Zaktan. [http://www.bzpower.com/board/blog/59/entry-58864-farshtey-feed-p225-226/ Greg said that The Glatorian Arena game is canonical], but I've never played either of the three Glatorian Arenas, although the first two are labelled as semi-canon, maybe this semi-canon thing is connecting to the rules and fighting style of/in the Arena and what tha Agori say in the 1st game. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 22:56, 22 February 2017 (CET)
::::Yeah that may have been me, heh. If so I was just doing it to be consistent with other pages. Honestly I think that the current (both formerly) setup is more confusing than it needs to be, and that having (formerly) on each line is generally better. That said, if we adopt this new system, we should iron out some more details first. For example, let's say someone wielded two weapons (A and B), got rid of both at the same time, and then picked out a new weapon (C). Saying <code><nowiki>A {{C|formerly}} <br> B {{C|formerly}} <br> C {{C|formerly}}</nowiki></code> suggests the character had A, then had B, then had C. In this case the following system conveys more information: <code><nowiki>A and B{{C|both formerly}} <br> C {{C|formerly}}</nowiki></code> suggests A and B were wielded together but were replaced with C. How do you think we should deal with edge cases like this? -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 23:51, 23 March 2017 (CET)


:::The fact that Glatorian Arena 2 features Mata Nui fighting in Arena Matches must be what makes it non-canon. Same thing applies with Glatorian Arena 3, where you can fight anyone vs anyone. Glatorian Arena 1 you have Gresh, Strakk, Tarix, a Skrall and Malum fighting each other, that's not too far-fetched. Well, and a Vorox. --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 03:26, 23 February 2017 (CET)
== The Hagah's formation II and Kanoka ==


::::Yeah, except of Mata Nui the other parts of the Glatorian Arena 2 could be canon so it makes the game semi-canon. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 14:48, 23 February 2017 (CET)
After lots and lots of research, I haven't found anything about the time of the creation of the Hagah. Still, I may lack proof for saying that some of their formations were made separately, but it's the same for you to say that they were all formed at the same time, so how about this:


I'm going to jump in here to say that it seem inconsistent to consider something like the mnog and something like the vnog as both "semi-canon". the mnog more or less is canon (i can't think of any parts of it that aren't canon...?) while the vnog barely has any canon elements to it at all. i think we need to have a differentiating factor between stuff like that. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:18, 23 February 2017 (CET)
Currently the timeline page puts the events from NOGLB in the "Sometime before 75,000 years ago" section, and they are followed by the creation of the Hagah as if it was one event. Since we are not certain that their creations happened all at once we could put the events from NOGLB in a new "Sometime between before 75,000 years ago (which is the creation of Spiriah's team) and at least 7,000 years ago (which is when TSO is shown having Varian in stasis in BL4)" section, and change the Hagah formation event to "The Brotherhood of Makuta starts selecting Toa from various teams to serve as bodyguards for its members, calling them Toa Hagah."


:The manas fight is what makes the game semi canon. And the Hapka Books are semi-canon (except the 2nd one), the Shadow Toa fight, and the Bohrok-Kal online animations.  Check the pages before you undo them.-- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:20, 23 February 2017 (CET)
What do you think? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 18:48, 29 March 2017 (CET)


== Recent addition to your bio ==


What's LDD? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 22:07, 26 February 2017 (CET)
:Or Ancient didn't have the Levitation-kanoka boots yet when the NOGLB happened. The short story doesn't mention Ancient having them, so it isn't a reason to change it. Leave it like that, until we find a way to ask Greg to clarify it. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:05, 29 March 2017 (CET)


:'''L'''ego '''D'''igital '''D'''esigner. =) Well, I would need a Vahki head, Visorak foot pieces, Rahkshi heads, and a couple of more thing for Lariska, what the program doesn't have...-- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 22:18, 26 February 2017 (CET)
::The DH attack the Toa with them in NOGLB, I was going to change that thing but fortunately I saw a link leading to the Kanoka page while skimming through the page. Untill we have that clarification, which I think we won't ever get, stating that that fact is confirmed is technically wrong, isn't it? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:18, 29 March 2017 (CET)


::huh, cool, i didn't know such a thing was available. :) [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 23:27, 26 February 2017 (CET)
:::Technically, we should remove the whole Toa Hagah and NOGLB story from the Timeline, because we don't have real specific time periods for them. But for Spiriah had a Toa Hagah team, the formation of them should be before his self-exile what happened according to the BIONICLE: World 75-70,000 years ago. And maybe the Metru Nui style Kanoka was invented on Metru Nui 4,000 years ago, but they used normal ones (like Lurker, Gatherer and Ancient) before the invention. Remember, each Metru had a special ability for their Kanoka. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:28, 29 March 2017 (CET)


== Melea and Bingzak ==
::::That's kinda the point I was trying to make on the Hagah's fromation, we don't have a precise time period, so let's put it in an approximative one, like basically almost every other section in that Timeline. Is there any problem or can we do like I proposed? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:31, 29 March 2017 (CET)


Melea is the girl that lost her nephews in Escape from the Underworld right? I don't feel like there's enough for them to get a page. But Harvali is special because '''''she was a protagonist of the dang novel''''' alongside the Protectors.
:::::Why wouldn't we wait until someone else say something about this? Like @Morris the Mata Nui Cow, or @Angel Bob, or @Dorek? '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:37, 29 March 2017 (CET)


Either way, there's more on then than on Lein and we still have a page for him so... --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 23:25, 10 March 2017 (CET)
:::::Why should we? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 19:39, 29 March 2017 (CET)


:Bingzak is the boy from the Islands of Lost Masks. He help Nilkuu and his family&village was destroyed by Skull Spiders and he emigrated into the Region of Stone where he was "Skull Spider-d". -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:33, 10 March 2017 (CET)
:::::Because we're just 2 users, and they have more right to decide. '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:01, 29 March 2017 (CET)


== Re: Mobile ==
:::::I unserstand Dorek and Morris, but why Angel Bob too? As far as I know he isn't among the staff. But still, if they have a problem with this they can always change it. I mean, one of the help pages says we shouldn't be afraid of making an edit, or something like that. As far as I know, Dorek and Morris haven't said anything against this, and leaving out info sounds like a bad idea in a place where people come to find info. I decided to see if you were fine with this since we previously strongly disagreed, but if it wasn't for this I would have simply made the edit immediately. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 21:22, 29 March 2017 (CET)


I suppose the first question is, when was the last time you tried using it? If nothing else, on iOS you now have the option to switch to the desktop version. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 11:48, 11 March 2017 (CET)
::::::I'm definitely not one of the staff, but I'm happy to lend my opinion if it will help reach a conclusion. I have to admit, this is really a nebulous zone. It seems extremely counterintuitive to me that the Toa Hagah would be formed at different times, but we can't really assume anything one way or the other without evidence. I think OnionShark's suggestion, of giving an approximate time span (of 63,000 years - wow) for when NOGLB takes place, might be the most accurate thing we can do. Maybe we could add some notes on the NOGLB or timeline page clarifying the various theories, for readers to come to their own conclusions. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:30, 29 March 2017 (CET)

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Thanks

I'm glad someone was awake enough to try to handle this :) You have my thanks. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)

Again, great job about reverting that vandals edits! I'm PMing some staff members about this. --Vartemp Talk 15:21, 31 January 2016 (CET)

And again you helped out with a vandal attack. Thanks again for being around and being willing to help =) ζoxHistories External Image

Set Pages

Are you in charge of them? -- Toa Jala The AFC needs your help! 06:37, 19 March 2016 (CET)

Not really, I just edit them, because some pages are lacking in content :) -- Surel-nuva (talk) 09:04, 19 March 2016 (CET)
Oh haha okay. Well, anyway, good work. I was wondering how you would feel about incorporating some of these images into the set pages. For example, this image would be an early version of Set:8729. Do you think they should be put right on the pages, or if we should stick a link in a "See Also" section? The latter was what ET recommended. -- Toa Jala The AFC needs your help! 07:48, 20 March 2016 (CET)
Something like this? -- Surel-nuva (talk) 13:12, 20 March 2016 (CET)

Actually, the idea was that once Gallery:Prototypes gets passed in AfC, that section would lead the visitor to the gallery. If they clicked on that link, their screen would look something like this. I kinda like yours better, though. Maybe we should do both, so once the gallery gets passed, it'll look like this:

See Also

So yeah, why don't we do what you did with 8729? When the gallery gets passed, we'll add a link there. :D -- Toa Jala The AFC needs your help! 05:16, 21 March 2016 (CET)

Help with Canister Sets

Can I ask you for a favor? I've been kinda busy in Real Life moving. Zo;tomana says we should add [[Category:Medium Sets]] to all the Canister Set pages EXCEPT the Stars. Would you mind helping me with that please? Maybe you could do 2006-2009? I've already done 2001 and 2002 and I'm working on 2003 right now. -- Toa Jala Order a Sig! 04:52, 7 April 2016 (CET)

I'll do it -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 10:20, 7 April 2016 (CET)
Thank you so much. Love the new sig. -- Toa Jala Converse 06:52, 11 April 2016 (CET)

Matau's Quote

That's my fav, too! :D -- Toa Jala Converse 18:38, 5 June 2016 (CET)

ey

can you pass the adventures PDF sweetie? --- Creep 17:54, 25 November 2016 (CET)

You can find them there. These are pictures of them, I used a program to convert them into PDFs :) I'd pass them to you, but I know no way to do it

http://cross-wired-freak.tumblr.com/post/68472919868/bionicle-chronicles-bionicle-adventures-bionicle
-- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 18:12, 25 November 2016 (CET)

Oh hey I remember this, from good old /biog/ in 4chan. Forgot this existed. Thanks brother --- Creep 18:14, 25 November 2016 (CET)

Krana-Kal telepathy

Bzgl. http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php?title=Krana-Kal&curid=2801&diff=112701&oldid=112698

I read everywhere, that the Bohrok-Kal (meaning all Bohrok-Kal) could communicate telepathically, so I assume that all Krana-Kal had telepathical abilities. Is this right? (If so, this information should be added to Krana-Kal and to Bohrok-Kal.) Krana-Za-Kals additional abilities are reading non-communicative minds and sensing strong emotions.

(The telepathy could also go out from an other area of the Bohrok-Kals body, if not from the Krana.)

--- MKW (talk)

The information about the Krana-Kal are came from the Comic 11: A Matter of Time... comic description, so we don't need to change it. Can you see? -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:19, 26 November 2016 (CET)
So, do all Krana-Kal have telepathical abilities? The Bohrok-Kal article says: "[...] They [the Bohrok-Kal] also gained the ability to communicate telepathically and speak the Matoran language. [...] They were powered by Krana-Kal and could telepathically communicate in the Matoran Language. [...]"
This sounds like all the Bohrok-/Krana-Kal had telepathical abilities! Is this just bad formulated?

--- MKW (talk)

No. The Krana-Kal could communicate in Matoran language via the Bohrok-Kal. And All Bohrok-Kal have the ability to communicate in matoran telepathically. But that kind of Krana-Kal [Krana Za-Kal] have telepathical ability without any Bohrok-Kal. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:35, 26 November 2016 (CET)
Oops, right, sry. I was unsure, now I scrolled and read the Krana article in the magazine. Thx, now I understand
--- MKW (talk) 19:41, 26 November 2016 (CET)

FaRotS Scans

Could you tell me where you found those scans? Thanks =) --OnionShark 20:10, 18 January 2017 (CET)

There, but it's russian. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:20, 18 January 2017 (CET)
isn't that comic on the bmp? Intelligence4 (talk) 14:54, 20 January 2017 (CET)
Actually, it isn't. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 15:13, 20 January 2017 (CET)
huh, would have thought they'd have archived it. is there an english version anywhere? (can i assume you can read russian?) Intelligence4 (talk) 15:21, 20 January 2017 (CET)
I'v just found it, but I can't read it for I haven't learnt russian. The FaRotS, the AOSR, and the TET were exclusive comics, only available in their Graphic Novels. Just like the Hydraxon's Tale, so I'm glad that the Hydraxon's Tale was uploaded in 2009 to a site, but it has been removed. (Fortunately, it was translated into hungarian by a fan, so I could read it in my language, and maybe it hasn't been removed from BrickShelf.) Maybe I could try to translate it, but it won't be a perfect-masterpiece translation :D -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 16:26, 20 January 2017 (CET)
since when are you hungarian. I thought you were american. --- Creep 07:26, 21 January 2017 (CET)
I've been learning english since I got interested in the BIONICLE's story (via the MNOG and MNOG2 in 2006, later the story serials & podcasts in 2007. I've become a fan in 2004, my first set was a Bordakh, but I was just 7 years old), and I wanted to read it in enlgish and understand what was written there (BS01). I know I make mistakes when I'm editing the pages but I'm trying not to make them, but sometimes I just mistype and didn't notice it in the "show preview." -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 08:34, 21 January 2017 (CET)

do you ever use english in your day to day life? your english is quite good, actually... i would have never guessed it wasn't your first language. Is hydraxon's tale up on the internet anywhere? that was another one i never got to read. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:20, 22 January 2017 (CET)

Yes, I use it everyday. First place, I learn english in school, on the other hand I use english while I'm here. And there's the comic in hungarian. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 09:34, 22 January 2017 (CET)
i knew someone linked me to that comic from this site haha - thanks!. (it's much shorter than i thought it would be lol.) Intelligence4 (talk) 20:38, 23 January 2017 (CET)

your set collection

your bio notes that you've been a fan since 2004 - how'd you collect the 2001 sets like the turaga after they weren't on sale anymore? are they recent internet finds? Intelligence4 (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2017 (CET)

Yes, they are. The my pre-2004 sets were bought after 2010 from various sites. :) And as I said, the HT was uploaded online, but it has been removed. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:29, 23 January 2017 (CET)

Re: Spaces

Sorry, I was trying to cut down on the bytes used per page (and by extension, the site as a whole). I didn't mean to cause a problem. :/ -- Toa Jala Converse 21:28, 31 January 2017 (CET)

Originally, I did the same thing, but I realized that almost every page have these, so removing them would take more time than I have. And When I edited the pages I hardly could see how many "=" wrote before and after the names/words. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:39, 31 January 2017 (CET)

Recent addition to your bio

What's LDD? Intelligence4 (talk) 22:07, 26 February 2017 (CET)

Lego Digital Designer. =) Well, I would need a Vahki head, Visorak foot pieces, Rahkshi heads, and a couple of more thing for Lariska, what the program doesn't have...-- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:18, 26 February 2017 (CET)
huh, cool, i didn't know such a thing was available. :) Intelligence4 (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2017 (CET)

Koronan

I never used Tohunga - that one's pretty obvious - but could I have a source for "Koronan" not being canon? Among other places, it still exists in the post-lawsuit revision of MNOG alongside "Matoran", and I don't see how it would fall under the purview of the lawsuit without "Koro" also being deemed unacceptable. Also, is it just me or are these Koro pages kinda bare on detail and images? The Aimless Wanderer1 (talk) 23:04, 18 March 2017 (CET)

I mean, is there an official source for that? --The Aimless Wanderer1 (talk) 00:18, 19 March 2017 (CET)

Here's the thing, though: In all of the examples you stated, they're only non-canon because they contradict the existing versions of those events in mainstream media. For example, it was already stated that there were only two Manas, so the depiction of multiple Manas in MNOG is non-canon, fair enough. However, there is nothing outside of MNOG stating that "Koronan" is an illegitimate term. For that matter, "-Koronan" technically means something entirely different from "-Matoran" - a Ta-Matoran is a type of Matoran who is imbued with the element of Fire; a Ta-Koronan is just someone who lives in Ta-Koro. For example, Vakama isn't a Ta-Matoran, but he is a Ta-Koronan.

The fact of the matter is, though, we cannot deem something non-canon just because Greg didn't mention it - it can only be considered noncanon if Greg or later writings EXPLICITLY say it is. As things stand, there is zero information supporting the claim that Koronan is non-canon. And frankly, to assume it's non-canon without any evidence is not how a Wiki should operate. --The Aimless Wanderer1 (talk) 15:59, 19 March 2017 (CET)

Except, that's TOTALLY how a Wiki works. It is not canon, therefore it doesn't belong on the Wiki except in passing mention in Trivia sections only. It's like pointing at a Nintendo system, and calling it a Sega. Sure, someone probably CALLED it a Sega, but it isn't a Sega so it's therefore incorrect. Matoran were briefly called both Tohunga and Koronans, but those terms are obsolete and to continue to use that term in pages causes confusion. Therefore, we reflect the Wiki pages to say that. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs)
With all due respect, you keep insisting that it's not canon, but there's still nothing to support that. As previously stated, "Koronan" is NOT the same thing as "Matoran" - "Koronan" applies to anyone or anyTHING that hails from a given village - it's the Mata Nui equivalent of "Metruan". This is not to be equated with Tohunga, which is obsolete because it was explicitly replaced by the word Matoran, which means the exact same thing. However, since there exists no other word that means the same thing as "Koronan", I urge you to reconsider your position on this matter. --The Aimless Wanderer1 (talk) 07:01, 20 March 2017 (CET)
Can someone search the old Greg documents for any questions involving the term "Koronan"? That should clear this up. If he said the term is non canon, then it's no canon. But if he never said anything one way or the other, it's used in an official storyline source, so there's no reason not to accept it. --Angel Bob (talk) 17:40, 20 March 2017 (CET)
The "Koronan" was ONLY used in the MNOG and its walktrough... and by the fans. but every time a fan asked Greg about the "koronan" (eg.: Le-Koronan) Greg answered with "matoran." (eg.: Le-Matoran) And since the maori thing the "koronan" word, along with the tohunga, are omitted from any media, except the MNOG. But no (non-semi canon) books, no comics, no Templar online animations use the "koronan" word. It is long forgotten with the tohunga, as I re-read the OGD stuff. And Swert is the owner, if he says the Koronan should not be here (except MNOG stuff), it must not be here. — SurelNuva (Talk) 18:06, 20 March 2017 (CET)
That still doesn't qualify as Greg decanonizing it - he could just be more accustomed to saying "Matoran", or be referring exclusively to them. But unless he contradicts its existence, there's no reason for us to assume it doesn't exist. And while it is no longer possible for us to ask him if the term "Koronan" is canon, I don't see why he would say no - after all, the term could not have been part of the Maori lawsuit without the base word "Koro" also going the way of "Tohunga". Furthermore, since it has no other true equivalent in canon, the term is very much not obsolete.

The fact remains that there is no solid evidence for us to regard the term non-canon - at the very most, it is canonically ambiguous. But unless someone here was officially given creative control over BIONICLE's story, none of us have the right to entirely omit established material from the recorded canon without concrete evidence that contradicts its existence. And frankly, such a "when in doubt, not canon" attitude can only be detrimental to the quality of this Wiki's content. --The Aimless Wanderer1 (talk) 21:22, 20 March 2017 (CET)

I'm just reading all this, so i'm a little late to the party (and it seems that some of the comments were deleted anyway haha) but i'd like to chime in and say that the bionicle chronicles books did refer to some of the matoran as koronans. that said, i remember reading something that said that cathy hapka used that term in error, since she didn't have all the info on all the nuances of the diction to be used. Intelligence4 (talk) 19:40, 22 March 2017 (CET)
You can find the other half on The Aimless Wanderer1's talk-page. — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:46, 22 March 2017 (CET)
Yes, I've already read that. Unfortunately, Wiki material still doesn't qualify as an official source, since anyone can edit it. For that matter, the cited sentence could use some rewording: The way it's written, it seems to suggest that ALL instances of "Matoran" in MNOG were replaced by "Koronan" - which is far from the case in any version of MNOG. -- The Aimless Wanderer1 (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2017 (CET)

Chat

Surel-nuva could you please visit the chat? I want to discuss reasoning behind my few edits I did. Delete this if you need so.--BionicleMax (talk) 16:37, 22 March 2017 (CET)

It's better for me, because if you write something there, I'll get a notification on the top of the page(s), so I can answer, and usually, I don't check the chat. — SurelNuva (Talk) 17:01, 22 March 2017 (CET)

(Formerly) Format

I think the reason you may have experienced "X (formerly), Y (formerly)" being changed to "X, Y (both formerly)" is because we used to list things all in one line, as opposed to using the <br> tabs. For a horizontal list like that, it makes more sense to have the (formerly) tag after both of them. For a vertical list, though, it really doesn't sit right with me. Does that makes sense to you? Think we ought to change it? --Angel Bob (talk) 22:50, 23 March 2017 (CET)

No, I experienced after I started to list the things horizontally on the pages, because placing everything in 1 line made No sense for me, and this horizontal listing make the pages clearer (okay, also makes the infobox larger, but it worthy). It was either you or Morris, who removed the (formerly) tags after the different things and replaced them with a single (all/both formerly) tag having said that it should be like this. — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:21, 23 March 2017 (CET)
Ha, really? I'd forgotten. My bad. Well, I've changed my mind: I would prefer to use the "X (formerly) <br> Y (formerly)" format that you tried to implement. Does that sound like a good idea? --Angel Bob (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2017 (CET)
I'm not 100% sure that it was you, It could be Morris, I don't remember exactly. For me the "x (formerly)<br>y (formerly)<br>z (formerly)" makes more sense than "x<br>y<br>z (all formerly)." — SurelNuva (Talk) 23:42, 23 March 2017 (CET)
Yeah that may have been me, heh. If so I was just doing it to be consistent with other pages. Honestly I think that the current (both formerly) setup is more confusing than it needs to be, and that having (formerly) on each line is generally better. That said, if we adopt this new system, we should iron out some more details first. For example, let's say someone wielded two weapons (A and B), got rid of both at the same time, and then picked out a new weapon (C). Saying A {{C|formerly}} <br> B {{C|formerly}} <br> C {{C|formerly}} suggests the character had A, then had B, then had C. In this case the following system conveys more information: A and B{{C|both formerly}} <br> C {{C|formerly}} suggests A and B were wielded together but were replaced with C. How do you think we should deal with edge cases like this? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2017 (CET)

The Hagah's formation II and Kanoka

After lots and lots of research, I haven't found anything about the time of the creation of the Hagah. Still, I may lack proof for saying that some of their formations were made separately, but it's the same for you to say that they were all formed at the same time, so how about this:

Currently the timeline page puts the events from NOGLB in the "Sometime before 75,000 years ago" section, and they are followed by the creation of the Hagah as if it was one event. Since we are not certain that their creations happened all at once we could put the events from NOGLB in a new "Sometime between before 75,000 years ago (which is the creation of Spiriah's team) and at least 7,000 years ago (which is when TSO is shown having Varian in stasis in BL4)" section, and change the Hagah formation event to "The Brotherhood of Makuta starts selecting Toa from various teams to serve as bodyguards for its members, calling them Toa Hagah."

What do you think? ~OnionShark 18:48, 29 March 2017 (CET)


Or Ancient didn't have the Levitation-kanoka boots yet when the NOGLB happened. The short story doesn't mention Ancient having them, so it isn't a reason to change it. Leave it like that, until we find a way to ask Greg to clarify it. — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:05, 29 March 2017 (CET)
The DH attack the Toa with them in NOGLB, I was going to change that thing but fortunately I saw a link leading to the Kanoka page while skimming through the page. Untill we have that clarification, which I think we won't ever get, stating that that fact is confirmed is technically wrong, isn't it? ~OnionShark 19:18, 29 March 2017 (CET)
Technically, we should remove the whole Toa Hagah and NOGLB story from the Timeline, because we don't have real specific time periods for them. But for Spiriah had a Toa Hagah team, the formation of them should be before his self-exile what happened according to the BIONICLE: World 75-70,000 years ago. And maybe the Metru Nui style Kanoka was invented on Metru Nui 4,000 years ago, but they used normal ones (like Lurker, Gatherer and Ancient) before the invention. Remember, each Metru had a special ability for their Kanoka. — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:28, 29 March 2017 (CET)
That's kinda the point I was trying to make on the Hagah's fromation, we don't have a precise time period, so let's put it in an approximative one, like basically almost every other section in that Timeline. Is there any problem or can we do like I proposed? ~OnionShark 19:31, 29 March 2017 (CET)
Why wouldn't we wait until someone else say something about this? Like @Morris the Mata Nui Cow, or @Angel Bob, or @Dorek? — SurelNuva (Talk) 19:37, 29 March 2017 (CET)
Why should we? ~OnionShark 19:39, 29 March 2017 (CET)
Because we're just 2 users, and they have more right to decide. — SurelNuva (Talk) 20:01, 29 March 2017 (CET)
I unserstand Dorek and Morris, but why Angel Bob too? As far as I know he isn't among the staff. But still, if they have a problem with this they can always change it. I mean, one of the help pages says we shouldn't be afraid of making an edit, or something like that. As far as I know, Dorek and Morris haven't said anything against this, and leaving out info sounds like a bad idea in a place where people come to find info. I decided to see if you were fine with this since we previously strongly disagreed, but if it wasn't for this I would have simply made the edit immediately. ~OnionShark 21:22, 29 March 2017 (CET)
I'm definitely not one of the staff, but I'm happy to lend my opinion if it will help reach a conclusion. I have to admit, this is really a nebulous zone. It seems extremely counterintuitive to me that the Toa Hagah would be formed at different times, but we can't really assume anything one way or the other without evidence. I think OnionShark's suggestion, of giving an approximate time span (of 63,000 years - wow) for when NOGLB takes place, might be the most accurate thing we can do. Maybe we could add some notes on the NOGLB or timeline page clarifying the various theories, for readers to come to their own conclusions. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:30, 29 March 2017 (CET)