Talk:Komau

Act against morals?

For the longest time, the Komau has been described as not being able to make a target go against their morals, but with no citation offered. When Greg first described Psionics, he wrote that it had "limited mind control (cannot make someone do something that is against their pre-existing moral code)." Greg made this post on December 8th, 2009, and the first time it was added to the Komau page was February 19, 2010, so it makes sense that this where it came from.

However, just because a Toa/Mask of Psionics wouldn't be capable of this doesn't automatically mean that the Komau, the literal Mask of Mind Control, wouldn't either. I've looked for other sources, in Greg quotes, the BEU, MGttU, City of Legends book, bioniclestory.com, and even the 2004 story bible, and haven't found anything. Dag (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to TheJerminator for finding this quote:

"Normally, masks like [Charisma] -- something that stops short of outright Mind Control -- cannot make a user do something that violates their moral code. If there is a pre-existing moral objection, then the command simply won't take."

This again heavily implies that the Komau, which is full on mind control, can make someone go against their morals. I'm going to go ahead and remove it from the page, but for the time being, I won't add that the Komau can do this, since while it is implied, it isn't directly confirmed. Dag (talk) 17:06, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Found a few more relevant quotes. In this first quote, Greg says that "anything that allows you to control another is basically immoral," which, if the Komau can do this, it should be an immoral mask and not be worn by a Toa, but that contradicts Onewa's wearing it. However, the second quote offers a hypothetical of "well, is prison immoral as a concept? You are also robbing people of free will there. They can't eat when they choose, go where they choose, leave," and the third quote offers a similar one with "But what if you are taking away the free will of, say, a mass murderer about to kill someone? Is that an immoral act?" Although this probably opens a bigger can of worms by dealing with the issue of what the standard is for moral/immoral masks. Dag (talk) 16:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)