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BIONICLE Facebook Page

Page will be made.

This wiki should probably have some way of referencing the happenings of the Bionicle Facebook page, which often releases images and videos that are either exclusive or are not released on another source until later and hosts events such as contests. Bionicle websites have articles so it should seem logical that the facebook page should as well. Even if a page is not made, there should be some way of referencing events that unfold on the facebook page as well as images, videos, and other content. This could mean a nav template or a category of some form. Post your thoughts.

Someone wanna get cracking on a sandbox for this? --Angel Bob (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2016 (CET)
Would someone make a sandbox? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)

Addition of Fansite

Given that we have BZPower on here, I feel it only right to put Mask of Destiny on as well, and perhaps even The Toa's Hideout. However, Mask of Destiny actually has a good reason, as it is actually the longest running BIONICLE fansite with a forum on the web.

--User:Baxor

Add fansite articles

  1. -- Intelligence4 (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2017 (CET) A thorough documentation of fansites isn't a bad idea IMO.
  2. Master Inika (Talk) 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
  3. --WOLKsite (talk) 23:20, 10 June 2017 (CET)
  4. Planetperson 19:27, 28 June 2017 (CET)
  5. ~OnionShark 12:15, 1 July 2017 (CET)

Don't add fansite articles

Comments

Don't forget to sign your proposals, y'all. also, can we assume that, unless stated otherwise during the duration of the discussion, a proposal counts as a vote? meaning that if 6 people put their username under the yes section but one of them is the proposal writer, then there are in fact only 5 people who are voting yes. (avoiding the proposer's vote double counting.)Intelligence4 (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2017 (CET)

BioMedia Project

As it is a fairly extensive collection of Bionicle Generation 1 media, it seems like a page for BioMedia Project might be a worthwhile addition. To be honest, I'm not sure about some of their content, such as full scans of the various G1 comics-I'm not an expert but it seems like a copyright question-but what do y'all think?--Wiriamu (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2016 (CET)

Page will be made.

Comments

The only problem with copyright would be the scans of Glatorian Comics 3-7, as those were never published for free online. --OnionShark 21:19, 6 January 2017 (CET)

I'm pretty sure they were somewhere for free, considering I've read them and didn't have a comic subscription at the time they were published. I don't think it's an issue. Intelligence4 (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (CET)
Maybe you read scans on brickshelf? Do you think you could find the place where you read them so we can be sure that no copyright issues will come up?
--OnionShark 23:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)
The scans could be found on BrickShelf some years ago (I don't know they're still there). I remember for I tried to translate the comic, but the scans were kind of awful ones, nearly unreadable, so I couldn't xd... By the way, they were on Brickshelf. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:14, 10 January 2017 (CET)
another point to make, we're not posting the content ourselves, but simply linking to another site that does, so i don't think it's an issue.
also, we have links to all the comics on here somewhere anyway, so... Intelligence4 (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Ok, I guess this technically wont get us into trouble. (BTW, GC3-7 are not linked )
--OnionShark 17:27, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Eh, the original saga's comics were not released on the BIONICLE.com, but we have links for them. And comics 3-5 were released 8 years ago, the last two were released 7 years ago, I don't think there would be copyright issue, if the BioMedia Project is still active. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:34, 11 January 2017 (CET)

No, the original comics were released for free on the website. So, the page got six votes for yes, it will be made, right? --OnionShark 17:40, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Before we create the page we would need a Sandbox section, to see how it'll look like, I think. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)
It's exciting that this project has been voted in, as I have hoped to do something similar for some time, but I would warn that the Lego Company still retains full rights to these comics, and can at any time deem this project unallowed. Here is a link to the Lego Companies info on using copyrighted material, [1].--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 23:40, 21 June 2017 (CET)

Rename The Final Battle Animation to The Rise of Mata Nui.

Per Advance's official Youtube account, the video is called The Rise of Mata Nui [2] as seen here. I suggest we change the name accordingly, since it's an official name from the guys that actually made the short film.

Change the name to The Rise of Mata Nui

  1. --- Creep 17:45, 13 April 2017 (CET)
  2. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. --Angel Bob (talk) 21:04, 13 April 2017 (CET)
  3. SurelNuva (Talk) 21:14, 13 April 2017 (CET)
  4. ~OnionShark 18:36, 14 April 2017 (CET)
  5. --Master Inika (Talk) 01:43, 7 June 2017 (CET)
  6. --WOLKsite (talk) 23:19, 10 June 2017 (CET)
  7. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2017 (CET)

Leave the name as The Final Battle Animation

Comments

Thanks for not simply putting yes/no as the voting section titles haha. whoever nominated this should sign their name to the nomination, because that counts as a vote, and we don't want to be double counting. it needs 6 votes in addition to the nomination. As for the actual issue at hand here, i'm inclined to agree with the nomination, but do we know why we originally called it the final battle animation? was it called that on bioncle.com, or is that simply something we made up? On a more fun note - was that video seriously only produced in 320p??? jeez... Intelligence4 (talk) 17:50, 17 April 2017 (CET)

Oh right forgot to sign it when I made the nomination. Well I already voted so whatever. Also, remember that back in 2008 videos hardly were 1080p 4k Ultra-HD quality. They weren't the norm as they are now. I'm sure Ghost has a higher resolution and quality video when they made it but they'll probably never release it. --- Creep 03:29, 18 April 2017 (CET)
According to archive.org it was called "Mistika 2-minute movie" on bionicle.com on 18 January 2009 (even though it's actually almost tree minutes long). There is, however, a video on YouTube titled "BIONICLE The Final Battle Animation" uploaded on 24 November 2008, the exact same day, the video was first released. It says "BIONICLE The Final Battle video, for BS01." in the description box. So... either it was called like that originally - before it was changed for some reason - or the name comes from that YouTube video. Vezon23 (talk) 14:46, 12 June 2017 (CET)

Move all fan-created canon stories from "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]" to "[title]"

The current title format for fan-written stories (such as Saga Guides/Decadence by Dorek) is a bit strange. They're grouped under Saga Guides, but they're not saga guides, they're short stories. Stories by Greg follow the "[title]" format, so why should it be different for fan-written canon stories? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 02:44, 4 May 2017 (CET)

Change names to "[title]"

  1. I always thought this was strange. It makes it really unnecessarily complicated to link to them. I understand we want to make them distinct from the "official" short stories, but that information can go at the top of the page, not in the title. --Angel Bob (talk) 04:27, 4 May 2017 (CET)

Keep names as "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]"

Change names to "[title] by [author]"

  1. Intelligence4 (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2017 (CET)
  2. --Master Inika (Talk) 05:29, 11 June 2017 (CET)
  3. SurelNuva (Talk) 09:25, 21 June 2017 (CET)
  4. --WOLKsite (talk) 11:07, 10 July 2017 (CET)
  5. ~OnionShark 11:20, 10 July 2017 (CET)

Comments

Given that these are fan created stories, i think we should still note the author - i.e. [title by author] instead of simply [title]. if we removed saga guide from their title, would we also have to remove them from the saga guides' navigation box? if so, where would we put them? i know i only found those stories back in the day through those saga guides links, so i don't think we should make them harder for readers to find.

Another thing to consider, even though they're fan created, they're still official canon, right?

Aaaand one last thing on a bit of a tangent, were the images at the top of those story pages arbitrarily chosen, or were they specifically created for those pages, or what? Intelligence4 (talk) 06:25, 5 May 2017 (CET)

1) We could add them to the online story navigation box, all the official serials and short stories are there. 2) They were written for contests in which the winning stories would become canon, so yes. 3) The banners were chosen from pre-existing images, but I'm pretty sure the original versions didn't have them. Does anyone know why they were added? ~OnionShark 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)

Also, I noticed that among the Saga Guides are Birth of a Dark Hunter and The Crossing, should we change their titles too? They could go in the guides nav because BoaDH was in the Encyclopedia and TC was in the Glatorian mini books. ~OnionShark 14:18, 6 May 2017 (CET)

Can there be an option added for changing them to "Title by Author"? I feel like we should keep the authors' names even if we drop the cumbersome "Saga Guides," not because they're less canon, but just to acknowledge them as contest winners. --Master Inika (Talk) 01:43, 7 June 2017 (CET)

done. i think we should leave them in the same navigation place they are now, i.e. in the saga guides navigation box. Intelligence4 (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2017 (CET)
I agree, just because there's not really anywhere else to put them. --Master Inika (Talk) 05:33, 11 June 2017 (CET)

Timeline/Okoto

Given that it's got it's own Saga Guide, a timeline page seems appropriate. Granted, a lot of the dating in Bionicle G2...if not all of it...is king of fuzzy, but I think we could get a general outline.--Wiriamu (talk) 20:41, 27 May 2017 (CET)

Create Timeline/Okoto

  1. Okoto :< -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:22, 30 August 2017 (CET)

Don't create Timeline/Okoto

  1. I just don't think there's just enough info in G2's story to merit a timeline - or a saga guide. Everything we need is covered in the History section of Okoto. --Angel Bob (talk) 05:44, 28 May 2017 (CET)
  2. I tend to agree with what Bob said. G2 didn't really live very long, thankfully. Intelligence4 (talk) 05:30, 30 May 2017 (CET)
  3. Thought I wish there was enough G2 lore to justify this, there isn't. --Master Inika (Talk) 01:43, 7 June 2017 (CET)
  4. There's really not that much story. --WOLKsite (talk) 23:24, 10 June 2017 (CET)
  5. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2017 (CET)

Comments

Proto Squad

I looked for information on the infamous and mysterious "Proto Squad" from the early years of Bionicle, and amazingly I couldn't find any reference to it on this wiki. What would you say to creating a Proto Squad article? This was a fairly significant part of the 2001-2003 arc, especially for collectors, since it was how the VMKKs and GPKKs were distributed IIRC. Finding info on the Proto Squad is hard to find in general (and sadly I was not a member). It would be nice to have a hub where we could collect this information. —Planetperson 04:38, 21 June 2017 (CET)

Create Proto Squad

The page will be made

Comments on proto squad

What is Proto Squad exactly. I didn't find out about Bionicle myself until the beginning of 2006, so I am unfamiliar with things that happened before that time.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 22:55, 22 June 2017 (CET)

It was an exclusive program where certain people got sneak previews and promotional Bionicle items in the mail from Lego. I think the idea was that they were like "beta testers" for the Bionicle line. It wasn't widely publicized at the time, so even I don't know that much. But once the initial sign-ups were done, there wasn't a way to get in later. You can probably find a lot of old BZPower news articles referencing it. Some of the more exciting things they received were the vacuum-metal Krana-Kal and grey plastic Krana-Kal, which are extremely rare collectible items worth hundreds of dollars. I believe the Proto Squad is also where the promotional B.U.G.S. video previewing the Bohrok comes from. —Planetperson 23:25, 22 June 2017 (CET)
Cool. Sounds interesting, and certainly worthy of a page if we drudge up enough info on it.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 01:00, 23 June 2017 (CET)
I've been a fan since late 2001 and i've never heard of the proto squad, so i would like to see as much information on this as possible :)
What does GPKK and VMKK stand for?
couple more things - can we use some of that information for citations? if that's where the "bugs" video came from, that would be a helpful source to cite things from, if we can verify them. and on those grey krana-kal - what was so special about them? b/c i have a kohrok-kal with a grey krana, but i didn't think it was anything special...? Intelligence4 (talk) 20:19, 28 June 2017 (CET)
GPKK and VMKK stand for grey plastic Krana-Kal and vacuum metal Krana-Kal. The collectibles topic at BZPower does a decent job of describing them: http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/14647-official-rare-promotional-collectibles-topic/ . The best way to get info would probably be to contact someone who was actually in the Proto Squad. The folks at MoD might not be a bad place to start, if they're still active. Old stories and posts from BZP probably contain information on it as well. Greg probably knows a thing or two about it too, since you can see him answering questions about it in the OGD back in 2003. So someone might want to ask about it on TTV. —Planetperson 06:38, 29 June 2017 (CET)

I did a little research and found quite a bit of information on the Proto Squad by looking through old BZPower stories. I didn't realize this before, but the program continued well into 2005! Also, it looks like Greg was directly involved in it, as he was the one who wrote all of the letters that came with the packages. —Planetperson 02:39, 4 July 2017 (CET)

nice work, as usual :) Could you post some sources for your research, so we can share in the nostalgia as well? haha Intelligence4 (talk) 20:39, 15 July 2017 (CET)
Maybe I could write up something in a sandbox. Where's the best place to do that? —Planetperson 02:54, 29 July 2017 (CET)
i would guess just make a userpage for yourself to do it on? i put a bunch of my headcanons on mine haha Intelligence4 (talk) 01:49, 30 July 2017 (CET)
The best place would be at BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox since (in theory) users can no longer edit other users' (non-talk) pages. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:54, 30 July 2017 (CET)
What's the best way to cite a BZPower news article? —Planetperson 14:27, 4 August 2017 (CET)

I started a sandbox. —Planetperson 03:55, 6 August 2017 (CET)

User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] (talk) 20:24, 30 July 2017 (CET)

Dekar-Hydraxon

Y'all are silly. Dekar's page is a mess when we have to incorporate all of the Hydraxon material, plus it obfuscates searchability when somebody clicks on a link about a Matoran and gets this dude. I know it's a unique situation and all that, which is why it calls for a unique approach. Call it what you want (Hydraxon (Duplicate), whatever) but the information as such is so much better organized when it's on a separate page.

(Re)create Dekar-Hydraxon

  1. -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:28, 30 August 2017 (CET)

Don't create Dekar-Hydraxon

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 06:22, 31 August 2017 (CET)
  2. Absolutely not. If we separate Dekar and Dekar-Hydraxon (Dekar/Hydraxon) we should separate Takanuva and Takua in that way. Unnecessary. The merging of the pages was a long debate and a good decision on the AfD. — SurelNuva (Talk) 08:00, 31 August 2017 (CET)
  3. Nah --Angel Bob (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2017 (CET)

Comments

Name is not super important (whatever people think is better for searching) although I'm still personally partial to Dekar-Hydraxon. -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:28, 30 August 2017 (CET)

It's still the same character. No other being has two pages, and I honestly see no reason for Dekar to have two pages either. ~ Wolk (talk) 06:22, 31 August 2017 (CET)
Takanuva isn't a comparison, literally the only similarity is the confusion in the renaming. For all intents and purposes, Dekar-Hydraxon is a separate being; he's a completely reworked version of Dekar in the incidental form of a pre-existing entity. Doing this wouldn't mean we'd create a separate page for every individual form, but this is a pretty unique scenario.
If people want an analogy, how about the Fohrok? All they are, are replicas. Might as well merge them with the Bohrok page, no? -- Dorek Talk External Image 21:52, 31 August 2017 (CET)
The duplicate Hydraxon is still Dekar however. The memories aren't erased, more or less just blocked and buried away. As far as I can see, it's the same entity, no more of a special case than Takua, who has actually lost his memories twice. ~ Wolk (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2017 (CET)
I think it's good the way it is because you get the entire history of the character on his page, however it might be nice to specify the difference of Dekar-Hydraxon on the info box thing (sorry don't know the technical term), that simply says "Hydraxon" by default when you land on the page.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 01:41, 1 September 2017 (CET)