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Page will be made.

This wiki should probably have some way of referencing the happenings of the Bionicle Facebook page, which often releases images and videos that are either exclusive or are not released on another source until later and hosts events such as contests. Bionicle websites have articles so it should seem logical that the facebook page should as well. Even if a page is not made, there should be some way of referencing events that unfold on the facebook page as well as images, videos, and other content. This could mean a nav template or a category of some form. Post your thoughts.

Someone wanna get cracking on a sandbox for this? --Angel Bob (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2016 (CET)
Would someone make a sandbox? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)

Tuma's Sword

So does anyone think Tuma's Sword could use its own article?--Wiriamu (talk) 06:23, 4 November 2016 (CET)

Yes

  1. Personally don't see why not, although we don't have too much info on it. --777stairs (talk) 05:58, 12 November 2016 (CET)
  2. Might as well. -- Toa Jala Converse 07:19, 12 December 2016 (CET)
  3. Master Inika (Talk) 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
  4. ~OnionShark 14:40, 5 March 2017 (CET)
  5. --- Creep 04:20, 6 March 2017 (CET)

No

  1. I don't think it merits a page, it doesn't do anything, not even what the Vahki Staffs or the Longswords could do. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:09, 5 March 2017 (CET)
  2. Having a page for Mata Nui's sword is handy because it contains the history of the weapon and its functionality. A hypothetical Tuma's Sword page wouldn't say anything a reader can't infer from looking at it. --Angel Bob (talk) 05:56, 6 March 2017 (CET)
  3. I don't think this is necessary

Comments

I think Tuma's sword is just the leader class variation of the Skrall Tribal Design Blade, and the Star Skrall's sword is also a variant of the Skrall Tribal Design Blades. So why don't we reformat the Skrall Tribal Design Blades page because all the Swords/Blades of the Skrall are their Skrall Tribal Design tools. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 11:33, 4 November 2016 (CET)
I think STDBs refer to that weird alien pattern on the standard Skrall blades. Tuma's is something different.
Don't really think it merits a page, though. -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:11, 5 November 2016 (CET)
Literally, everything what we know about it:
A large blended black-and-lime sword carried by Tuma.
He used it to challenge Mata Nui.
It consist of 3 pieces.
Status: unknown (?).
Function: Melee combat.
User: Tuma (formerly?).
That is not enough. -- SurelNuva (Talk)

Generation 2 Characters List

So given our lists of various Gen1 and Gen2 elements, anyone think we should make one for the Gen2 characters?--Wiriamu (talk) 05:58, 14 November 2016 (CET)

Yes

  1. You mean like a G2 version of the Characters page? I'm down. --Angel Bob (talk) 17:41, 15 November 2016 (CET)
  2. In this case, why not? But it means that we have to rename the Characters page into "Character (Generation 1)"--Surel-Nuva (Talk) 18:03, 15 November 2016 (CET)
  3. -- Toa Jala Converse 08:30, 20 December 2016 (CET)
  4. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 03:20, 9 January 2017 (CET)
  5. Master Inika (Talk) 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
  6. --- Creep 22:12, 3 March 2017 (CET)
  7. --Collector1100 (talk) 07:04, 6 March 2017 (CET)

No

Comments

Sandbox. -- Toa Jala Converse 08:30, 20 December 2016 (CET)

If we make g1 and g2 tabs for the characters page, we need to make it so it doesn't cover up any page content. on pretty much every page that we have on here now with g1 and g2 tabs, they don't show up properly, and cover other content on the page, especially in the edit history/diffs view. Intelligence4 (talk) 19:28, 6 March 2017 (CET)

Addition of Fansite

Given that we have BZPower on here, I feel it only right to put Mask of Destiny on as well, and perhaps even The Toa's Hideout. However, Mask of Destiny actually has a good reason, as it is actually the longest running BIONICLE fansite with a forum on the web.

--User:Baxor

Yes

  1. -- Intelligence4 (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2017 (CET) A thorough documentation of fansites isn't a bad idea IMO.
  2. Master Inika (Talk) 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)

No

Comments

Don't forget to sign your proposals, y'all. also, can we assume that, unless stated otherwise during the duration of the discussion, a proposal counts as a vote? meaning that if 6 people put their username under the yes section but one of them is the proposal writer, then there are in fact only 5 people who are voting yes. (avoiding the proposer's vote double counting.)Intelligence4 (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2017 (CET)

BioMedia Project

As it is a fairly extensive collection of Bionicle Generation 1 media, it seems like a page for BioMedia Project might be a worthwhile addition. To be honest, I'm not sure about some of their content, such as full scans of the various G1 comics-I'm not an expert but it seems like a copyright question-but what do y'all think?--Wiriamu (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2016 (CET)

Page will be made.

Comments

The only problem with copyright would be the scans of Glatorian Comics 3-7, as those were never published for free online. --OnionShark 21:19, 6 January 2017 (CET)

I'm pretty sure they were somewhere for free, considering I've read them and didn't have a comic subscription at the time they were published. I don't think it's an issue. Intelligence4 (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (CET)
Maybe you read scans on brickshelf? Do you think you could find the place where you read them so we can be sure that no copyright issues will come up?
--OnionShark 23:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)
The scans could be found on BrickShelf some years ago (I don't know they're still there). I remember for I tried to translate the comic, but the scans were kind of awful ones, nearly unreadable, so I couldn't xd... By the way, they were on Brickshelf. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:14, 10 January 2017 (CET)
another point to make, we're not posting the content ourselves, but simply linking to another site that does, so i don't think it's an issue.
also, we have links to all the comics on here somewhere anyway, so... Intelligence4 (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Ok, I guess this technically wont get us into trouble. (BTW, GC3-7 are not linked )
--OnionShark 17:27, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Eh, the original saga's comics were not released on the BIONICLE.com, but we have links for them. And comics 3-5 were released 8 years ago, the last two were released 7 years ago, I don't think there would be copyright issue, if the BioMedia Project is still active. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:34, 11 January 2017 (CET)

No, the original comics were released for free on the website. So, the page got six votes for yes, it will be made, right? --OnionShark 17:40, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Before we create the page we would need a Sandbox section, to see how it'll look like, I think. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Temple of Creation (Okoto)

The Temple of Creation houses the Great Forge, is the workplace of the Mask Makers, and is the scene of the defeat of Kulta. I daresay there's more information for it than a lot of G2 articles we currently do have, and, as has been previously noted, G2 can afford more pages.

Along with this, "Temple of Creation" would presumably become a disambiguation and the current Temple of Creation would be renamed "Temple of Creation (Po-Koro))" or something along those lines. --777stairs (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2017 (CET)

Yes

  1. --777stairs (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2017 (CET)
  2. Why would you call it Temple of Creation (Okoto)?? It would be more simple to create a "{{G|1|Temple of Creation}} / [[Temple of Creation (Generation 1)]]" page (move the article of the original from Po-Wahi here), turn the "Temple of Creation" into a Disamig, and create a "{{G|2|Temple of Creation}} / [[Temple of Creation (Generation 2)]] page for the new one. - Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:30, 7 January 2017 (CET)
  3. I agree with surel, having a simple g1 and g2 page would be best instead of a disambig Intelligence4 (talk) 16:56, 11 January 2017 (CET)
  4. G2 could always use more pages, and this was a crucial location - more crucial than the Temple of Time or Light, and we have those. --Angel Bob (talk) 03:54, 14 January 2017 (CET)
  5. Master Inika (Talk) 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
  6. --- Creep 07:01, 6 March 2017 (CET)
  7. -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:56, 8 March 2017 (CET)

No

Comments

Yeah, or that. I'm too used to other wiki policies XD --777stairs (talk) 20:06, 7 January 2017 (CET)

We have G1-G2 pages for Toa, Hook Blades etc. We also have and use GenTabs in some cases for example for Ta-Wahi (which means Fire Region in G1) and the Region of Fire (the fire region of G2) or for Teridax and G2 Makuta. So it's more simple. :D -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 20:21, 7 January 2017 (CET)
why don't we use gentabs on all the pages that have a (gen #) in their title? if there's a gen 1 version, that would imply an article has a gen 2 counterpart that could/should be linkedIntelligence4 (talk) 17:02, 11 January 2017 (CET)
We use the gentabs every cases when there's a gen1 - gen2 character/item/etc. I also added the gentabs for Mata Nui's 6 Wahi and the Okotan region, because their names literally are the same. ("Ta-Wahi, literally, means Region of Fire" and the Okotan vulcanic region is called "Region of Fire.") -- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:47, 18 March 2017 (CET)

Change Dekar-Hydraxon to Hydraxon (Duplicate)

Okay, this isn't THAT big of a deal, but it's still something that bothers me. I'm not a big fan of the Dekar-Hydraxon name. It's a mouthful to say, it sounds odd when in the middle of a page section there's a "And then Dekar-Hydraxon punched Nocturne in the face" or stuff like that, it breaks the flow for me. So it's worth a try. It sounds better to me too, but yeah, that.

Yes

  1. Great idea. ---Master Inika (Talk) 01:00, 3 March 2017 (CET)
  2. Good solution. Would we also move Hydraxon to Hydraxon (Original) and make Hydraxon a disambig, or keep old Hydraxon as plain Hydraxon? In support of the second option, we currently have Teridax and Teridax (The Melding Alternate Universe). -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 06:15, 4 March 2017 (CET)
  3. I proposed the name, so of course I'm down for it. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:59, 4 March 2017 (CET)

No

  1. He wasn't simply Hydraxon after the transformation; he still retained significant aspects of Dekar. I feel like dubbing him simply as some replacement would be a disservice to Dekar's character. --777stairs (talk) 02:50, 6 March 2017 (CET)
  2. Dashes > Parentheses -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:54, 8 March 2017 (CET)

Merge with Dekar

  1. Upon better thought, this sounds better to me. --- Creep 00:47, 7 March 2017 (CET)
  2. Maybe merging the page with Dekar's would be a better idea. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 00:49, 7 March 2017 (CET)
  3. Yeah, this would make more sense. ~OnionShark 07:51, 7 March 2017 (CET)
  4. Intelligence4 (talk) 17:48, 8 March 2017 (CET)
  5. --Collector1100 (talk) 06:54, 4 March 2017 (CET)
  6. -- Toa Jala Converse 19:11, 16 March 2017 (CET)
  7. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:54, 16 March 2017 (CET)

Comments

6 yes, so... It is decided? --- Creep 07:08, 5 March 2017 (CET)

Wait, I thought that the six votes rule only applied when the other option had none. Am I mistaken? ~OnionShark 11:43, 5 March 2017 (CET)
We don't have new rules set in stone yet, but that was the thinking. There were 6 for yes and 0 for no at one point (see this edit), but one of those yes votes is from Angel Bob, who proposed the change, so I could see the argument that 7 yes votes and 0 no would be required in this case. Let's let Dorek weigh in on this one or wait for 8 yes votes before doing anything. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 19:19, 5 March 2017 (CET)
In response to 777stairs' vote, what about merging the page with Dekar? I know this has been discussed in the past, and Dorek opposed it; but I think it would satisfy what the Yes voters here are after. I personally have always thought it's very strange that we have two pages for him. Even if his mind was affected in the transformation, it's clear from published materials that he's still the same being on the inside. --Angel Bob (talk) 06:02, 6 March 2017 (CET)
It could work, have a tab in the infobox so it switches between Dekar and Hydraxon. But at the same time, Dekar =/= New!Hydraxon. I really don't know what to do. He is Dekar, but at the same time, you can't say "Hydraxon is Dekar" because he's a literal copy of the original. It's like the original never died.
Like Hydraxon himself said, "It doesn't matter who I was before. What counts is who I am now - Hydraxon. Your enemy. Your jailer... Your nightmare for 90 millennia, and for every day that's left to you." (God this character is great I love him.) --- Creep 07:08, 6 March 2017 (CET)

If we change anything, i think we should merge the page with the dekar page. they're the same character, it's just that he got turned into a copy of another character and was given his memories. as far as the 6 votes thing goes, i think onionshark was right when he said that 6 votes is sufficient only when there's no no votes. personally, i think that no and yes votes should cancel each other out for lack of a better term, and just say we need a majority of 6 votes to do something, unless it's been up for a certain period of time and not enough people have voted, then simple majority wins. really though we should just open another section on this page just for that discussion haha.Intelligence4 (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2017 (CET)

But how are we gonna call him? Dekar-Hydraxon or something else? ~OnionShark 07:51, 7 March 2017 (CET)
I think we can just leave the page as "dekar", and add all the stuff from the merged page to his history section. (the merged page will have to become a redirect, i assume.) we can also have a notice on hydraxon's page; one of the ones where it's like "you may be looking for his duplicate created by the mask of life" and then that can link to a "dekar-hydraxon" section on dekar's page. Intelligence4 (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2017 (CET)

Made a sandbox for what the pages would look like if we merged them. I think it makes a compelling case for merging them, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. --Angel Bob (talk) 23:39, 9 March 2017 (CET)

I modified the sandbox a bit, it's clearer, and I'm thinking that we should separate Dekar's and Hydraxon's appearances, made the "Appearance" into 2 subsections. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:56, 10 March 2017 (CET)
I like your improvements to the template! As for Appearances, that could be done easily; just copy-paste the Appearances sections from both Dekar and Dekar-Hydraxon pages. --Angel Bob (talk) 22:06, 10 March 2017 (CET)
I just did it, it's a bit interesting and strange. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 22:17, 10 March 2017 (CET)
I like the idea of separating the appearances of dekar and dekar-hydraxon. when i'm reading the sandboxed article, it feels a little strange to see him outright called hydraxon, since i know that's another character. on his page, shouldn't we still call him dekar-hydraxon?
One other thing, are dekar-hydraxon's appearances different from hydraxon's appearances? i only gave them a cursory glance over, so just ignore me if i'm wrong, but i think we may be counting appearances of one as the other. Intelligence4 (talk) 18:06, 13 March 2017 (CET)

So, 7 votes for merge with Dekar. 3 for the renaming, 2 for the remaining. Which's gonna happen?? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 16:43, 18 March 2017 (CET)

The one that gets the eighth vote first, I assume, so probably "Merge with Dekar." ~OnionShark 20:05, 18 March 2017 (CET)

Create a page about Harvali

Harvali is the archeologist featured in Revenge of the Skull Spiders. I haven't finished the book yet, I'm by page 65, but so far Harvali seems important enough for a page. The fact that she only gets a mention in the Islanders page is outrageous to me. We have smaller pages, why can't she get one? --- Creep 00:49, 7 March 2017 (CET)

Create the page

  1. --- Creep 00:49, 7 March 2017 (CET)
  2. If we have a page for Lein, we need a page for Harvali. --Angel Bob (talk) 02:07, 7 March 2017 (CET)
  3. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 19:20, 7 March 2017 (CET)
  4. -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:56, 8 March 2017 (CET)
  5. -- Toa Jala Converse 05:02, 20 March 2017 (CET)
  6. I see no reason why not; less-significant characters have gotten articles, after all. -- The Aimless Wanderer1 (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2017 (CET)

Don't create the page

Comments

I just wanted to say that i like how the sections are called "don't create the page" and "create the page" instead of a simple "yes/no". makes reading the diffs much easier. /thumbsup Intelligence4 (talk) 17:46, 8 March 2017 (CET)

Sandbox --- Creep 01:40, 9 March 2017 (CET)