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== BIONICLE Facebook Page ==
==Approved proposals (please make these pages!)==
 
===Merchandise===
 
'''Page will be made.'''
 
Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the [[Cordak Blasters#Set Information|Toa Mahri Dart Shooter]] or the [[Morbuzakh#Trivia|Sponge Morbuzakh]] or even the [[Takadox#Set Information|Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives]], which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --[[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]] ([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)
 
====Comments on Merchandise====
I think this will be a good page to have - but i think we have to be very careful in drawing the line between regular sets and stuff and all the ancillary merchandise that was available. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 00:48, 28 September 2017 (CET)
 
I found a TTV topic that has a huge list of this sort of thing. It obviously wouldn't qualify as an actual source, but it could certainly help as a sort of "checklist" to see exactly what sort of things we're looking for. Are we allowed to link to TTV here? (Also, on a more amusing note, I'm not sure I've seen something gather eight votes this quickly in ages, I was expecting this to be controversial. =P) [[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]] ([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 11:10, 28 September 2017 (CET)
 
:I just realized this only technically counts as seven votes, oops. [[User:Snaptor|Snaptor]] ([[User talk:Snaptor|talk]]) 23:49, 28 September 2017 (CET)
::MY VOTE COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  03:39, 29 September 2017 (CET)
 
 
I've been interested in documenting Bionicle merchandise and saw that there were plans for a page to be made. However, it doesn't seem like much progress was made on it. I've drafted up a possible merchandise page in my sandbox.
 
https://biosector01.com/wiki/User:Endruv/sandbox
 
I define "Merchandise" as any officially liscensed Bionicle product that isn't a set or media (such as book, movie, game, or pretty much anything not already well documented here). I sorted my list by year and whatever partner company produced the product. It's not a perfect system, as I'm still trying to figure out how to address things like Legoland gift shop items, Shop@Home exclusives, and freebies that weren't widly available. Most of my findings have been through old BZPower articles. Currently, I made it through 2003.
 
<del>If there is another way I should submit a page that's already been approved, please let me know.</del>
 
Update: Moved to approved pages based on Surel's suggestion.
 
-- [[User:Endruv|Endruv]] ([[User talk:Endruv|talk]]) 17:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 
:I really appreciate the work you put into the topic, and since it was approved last time, I don't think we need a new poll for it. This could just go under the existing part on the top of the page, as a draft finally for the approved page. And in my opinion when you feel like it, you could make it into an actual page too! :) --'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">Surel</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 17:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
::I meant it this way :D It's already approved, you can make the page if you want to, and then expand it later. :) --'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">Surel</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 22:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 
===HEROSector01: Add Roblox and Poptropica Sponsored Events===
'''Pages will be made.'''
 
This one is for HEROSector01, as I tried to find an Articles for Creation page over there but couldn’t find one, so instead I felt like putting this here. Hero Factory had a Poptropica advertisement and two Roblox events where players could earn prizes. For Poptropica, it was a minigame level, and for Roblox, two games. You can look up more about them online but basically for Poptropica it was promoting the 2010 line of sets while for Roblox, they promoted 2012 (Breakout) and 2013 (Brain Attack). From what I can gather, Poptropica had a Stormer outfit and his ice blaster gear, while Roblox had quite a bit of prizes and Catalog items. -- '''[[User:FirespitterVakama|<font color=darkred>Firespitter</font><font color=#FF4500>Vakama</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:FirespitterVakama|<font color="Orange">'''talk'''</font>]])</small> 08:23 AM, 29 November 2021 (EST)
 
====Comments on HEROSector01: Add Roblox and Poptropica Sponsored Events====
 
===Meta: Community Terminology===
'''Page will be made.'''
 
I think it might be nice to have a page with frequently used terms that crop up in the community (AFOL, MoC, that kind of stuff). I'm not beholden to the name. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>'''  17:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 
====Comments on creating Meta:Community Terminology====
We could potentially link this to redirect pages like [[MoL]], [[RoS]], or [[TMC]], for example. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 03:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 
===Meta:Cut Content===
Not as solid of an idea (and could use a better name), but I think it could be interesting to sort of group various prototype and pre-final release information into a location. Stuff like "Kanohi Artidax", Skrall having shadow powers, just these little miscellaneous trivia bits that do have individual homes but don't fit into a larger narrative (or if they do, that narrative tends to take up too much space on pages, for instance). And maybe there's stuff I've deemed too superfluous in the past that could find a home too. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>'''  18:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 
'''Page will be made.'''
 
====Comments on creating Meta:Cut Content====
This could be interesting. Maybe I'll sandbox a list for this, if not a proper article. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 06:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 
:The beginnings of a list: [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Meta:Cut Content]]. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 22:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 
While we should show restraint in adding much more than links and any snipits that are not already on the wiki,this would be a good idea. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 18:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:I won't vote against it if people really want it, but I think it reminds me of the "Meta:Common Misconceptions" idea that was floating around the Discord server--a super broad subject that could include an untold number of things, especially if we go with the proposed list of "trivia bits." I also imagine people will be more likely to visit the page of something for trivia about it rather than browse a page that may or may not include the information they're looking for (if that makes sense).
 
:I guess if anything I'll be interested to see a fully-formed page rather than just the beginnings of one, or else I could see it being passed and then being something people barely add to. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 23:09, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 
===Category:Shortcuts===
Whether a BIONICLEsector01 page or a Category, I think it would make sense to list all our shortcut redirects somewhere (e.g., [[GSR]], [[MU]], [[GSB]], etc.). I won't vote yet, since I don't know which option would be better. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 06:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 
'''Page will be made.'''
 
====Comments on creating Shortcut page====
Alternatively, we could perhaps build out [[Template:Shortcut]] as well? Might make more sense with a different functionality though... -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>'''  23:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 
:Maybe, if we made a switch function that would let us use it for the actual shortcuts. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 07:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 
=== "Community Reviews" Section ===
 
Okay, so here's an intricate one.
 
So have you ever looked at a set page (no surprise this will be a resounding yes) and seen that set of sections: "Critical Reviews" and "Community Reviews." A lot of these models have yet to have stuff said about them from either angle. Unless we elect a reviewer (dear god please not Eljay LOL) there's nothing we can do about the Critical Reviews section, but I was thinking: what's stopping us BioSector users from submitting our own reviews to the section? Here's one idea for how this could work:
 
Here's the existing template that exists already.
 
[[Here's a totally real and not pretend link.]]
 
[Visualization Ends Here]
 
So this totally, 100% genuinely real link would lead to a page dedicated to user reviews submitted by us. See my sandbox's first Level 1 heading [[User:Waddlez/Sandbox|here]]. This could be a subpage, like "Set:XXXXX/Reviews" just like we have [[Sets/Combiners]], etc. Alternatively, this can have a whole category page dedicated to it.
 
In each set page, you'd have something like what you can see on my sandbox's second Level 1 heading [[User:Waddlez/Sandbox|here]].
 
So there's the idea. Thoughts? [[User:Waddlez|𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯]] 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


'''Page will be made.'''
'''Page will be made.'''


This wiki should probably have some way of referencing the happenings of the Bionicle Facebook page, which often releases images and videos that are either exclusive or are not released on another source until later and hosts events such as contests. Bionicle websites have articles so it should seem logical that the facebook page should as well. Even if a page is not made, there should be some way of referencing events that unfold on the facebook page as well as images, videos, and other content. This could mean a nav template or a category of some form. Post your thoughts.
====Comments on this topic====
# Hi this comment was made totally by the real Swert and 100% genuine. This is the coolest idea ever and we should immediately implement this. (NOT written [[User:Waddlez|𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯]] 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC))


:Someone wanna get cracking on a sandbox for this? --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 19:47, 31 October 2016 (CET)
Hold up. I think this one will take further discussion as to how we're going to go about doing this... <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 04:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


::Would someone make a sandbox? -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)
===Create Meta:Capitalization Conventions===
This falls under a similar vein as our Meta:Shortcuts and Meta:Community Terminology, and as a reference for in-universe terminology, it also complements the [[Lexicon]]. I and some others have been sporadically doing research on different expressions, phrases, or names in the BIONICLE canon and getting a sense of whether they were originally intended as given/proper names, or if they were just became that for convenience over time by the community. In many cases, we've made some very fascinating discoveries, and quite often Greg is very consistent one way, even in his Q&A topics, despite fans frequently going the other way.


== Tuma's Sword ==
Much of the research so far has been collected on [[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow/Sandbox2|one of Morris' talk pages]], but the more we discover, the more it makes sense to just give this its own page. Though the fan lexicon is unlikely to ever change, this tool would be extremely helpful for writing fanfiction or other in-universe texts, to maintain consistency with the existing canonical body of work. It would also be helpful if we ever updated the wiki to reflect these conventions (as has been suggested on Talk:Main Page--see below comment). --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


So does anyone think Tuma's Sword could use its own article?--[[User:Wiriamu|Wiriamu]] ([[User talk:Wiriamu|talk]]) 06:23, 4 November 2016 (CET)
'''Page will be made.'''


===Yes===
====Comments on creating Meta:Capitalization Conventions====
# Personally don't see why not, although we don't have too much info on it. --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 05:58, 12 November 2016 (CET)
On a side note, there's been some discussion on the [[Talk:Main_Page#Application of the Nickname Template|BS01 Main Page talk page]] about the Nickname template with some of these, if anyone wants to weigh in. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
#Might as well. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 07:19, 12 December 2016 (CET)
#<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
# '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 14:40, 5 March 2017 (CET)
#--- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 04:20, 6 March 2017 (CET)


===No===
===Gallery:Sapient Beings===
# I don't think it merits a page, it doesn't do anything, not even what the Vahki Staffs or the Longswords could do. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:09, 5 March 2017 (CET)
'''Page will be made.'''
# Having a page for Mata Nui's sword is handy because it contains the history of the weapon and its functionality. A hypothetical Tuma's Sword page wouldn't say anything a reader can't infer from looking at it. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 05:56, 6 March 2017 (CET)
# I don't think this is necessary


===Comments===
While many sapient beings either have their own dedicated pages or not enough images to justify a special gallery page, having an overall page for beings like Kestora, Vortixx, the city-building creatures, The Shadowed One's Species, Sidorak's species, and possibly others would allow for people to easily be able to find images, and would make it so pages can have a "See Also" page with a gallery link. Like Gallery:Matoran, it would just have links for entries that have their own gallery pages. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 17:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


:I think Tuma's sword is just the leader class variation of the Skrall Tribal Design Blade, and the Star Skrall's sword is also a variant of the Skrall Tribal Design Blades. So why don't we reformat the Skrall Tribal Design Blades page because all the Swords/Blades of the Skrall are their ''Skrall Tribal Design'' tools. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 11:33, 4 November 2016 (CET)
===Rename "[[Stalactite Villages]]" to "Sky Villages"===
The current name of the page is a fan name, and is not used in any official material as far as I can tell. However, the alternate name listed on the page, "Sky Villages", is what the villages are called in their entry on page 62 of Makuta's Guide to the Universe. Because of this, I believe that the name of the page should be changed accordingly. If anybody has any other insights into this, please let me know. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 06:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)


:I think STDBs refer to that weird alien pattern on the standard Skrall blades. Tuma's is something different.
'''Page will be renamed.'''


:Don't really think it merits a page, though. -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  19:11, 5 November 2016 (CET)
====Comments on renaming Stalactite Villages to Sky Villages====


::Literally, everything what we know about it:<br>A large blended black-and-lime sword carried by Tuma.<br>He used it to challenge Mata Nui.<br>It consist of 3 pieces.<br>Status: unknown (?).<br>Function: Melee combat.<br>User: Tuma (formerly?).<br>That is not enough. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>'''
===Make "Krika's Camp"===
This is the Mistika Makuta's base of operations and a reoccurring location in BL10 and the comics. Also referenced as "Krika's lair" and "Krika's haven" which would both be good titles, but it's most often called a "camp" in the narrative. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


== Generation 2 Characters List ==
'''Page will be made.'''
So given our lists of various Gen1 and Gen2 elements, anyone think we should make one for the Gen2 characters?--[[User:Wiriamu|Wiriamu]] ([[User talk:Wiriamu|talk]]) 05:58, 14 November 2016 (CET)


===Yes===
====Comments on Krika's Camp====
#You mean like a G2 version of the [[Characters]] page? I'm down. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 17:41, 15 November 2016 (CET)
#In this case, why not? But it means that we have to rename the Characters page into "Character (Generation 1)"--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:03, 15 November 2016 (CET)
#-- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 08:30, 20 December 2016 (CET)
# -- {{StaffLink|Morris the Mata Nui Cow}} ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 03:20, 9 January 2017 (CET)
#<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
#--- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 22:12, 3 March 2017 (CET)
#--[[User:Collector1100|Collector1100]] ([[User talk:Collector1100|talk]]) 07:04, 6 March 2017 (CET)


===No===
===Make Antroz's Cavern===
This is the overall base for the Makuta and also a reoccurring location in the books and comics. In the Karda Nui section of Makuta's Guide, it and Mutran's Hive are seemingly identified as the same spot; however, Antroz's Cavern is visited after the hive is destroyed, and the scene with Vamprah and Mutran in BL9 sees them both leave Mutran's hive and head for the "main lair." --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


===Comments===
'''Page will be made.'''
[[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Characters (Generation 2)|Sandbox]]. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 08:30, 20 December 2016 (CET)


:If we make g1 and g2 tabs for the characters page, we need to make it so it doesn't cover up any page content. on pretty much every page that we have on here now with g1 and g2 tabs, they don't show up properly, and cover other content on the page, especially in the edit history/diffs view. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:28, 6 March 2017 (CET)
====Comments on Antroz's Cavern====
Huh. I guess I always thought this was the same as the [[Shadow Leech Hive]]. Anyway, we have stuff like [[Octo Cave]] and [[Razor Whale's Teeth]], so I don't see why not. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 08:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


== Addition of Fansite ==
=== Create AMEET Activity Books ===


Given that we have BZPower on here, I feel it only right to put Mask of Destiny on as well, and perhaps even The Toa's Hideout. However, Mask of Destiny actually has a good reason, as it is actually the longest running BIONICLE fansite with a forum on the web.
Some years back, we knew very little about many of the books on [[Books/Other Books]]. However, this is beginning to change, and I am confident that for many of these books, we are now far more able to create pages on par with those for other books (which aren't that big in themselves), so I think it's about due that these are given their own pages, starting with the AMEET books. I see this encompassing two different tasks: An overall series page, like [[BIONICLE Chronicles]], as well as individual pages for each book, like [[BIONICLE Chronicles 1: Tale of the Toa]].<font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


--[[User:Baxor]]
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===Yes===
====Comments on creating AMEET Activity Books====
#-- [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 03:04, 9 January 2017 (CET) A thorough documentation of fansites isn't a bad idea IMO.
I think we should also split out the two Scholastic books as well, though not having the Generation 2 activity book, I'm not able to describe its contents. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
#<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>   ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
:I also have the G2 activity book. There are actually two slightly different versions, but the differences amount to few words and formulations being different.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::Cool! Information like that should be available on the page. :) <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::Something to keep in mind, we'll probably need to do "BIONICLE: Piraka (AMEET)" due to the HarperCollins book of the same name. Same for BIONICLE: Voya Nui. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 15:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:::True, although the 4 pocket-sized HarperCollins books are officially called "Mini-Guides" (it says so in the books themselves), so that could be a way to differentiate them.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Fair. I thought I'd seen the AMEET ones called "BIONICLE Activity Books" somewhere, but now I'm not finding it. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 16:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::::: Not sure if this counts, but BIONICLE: Voya Nui has this written among the publishing information on the back: Collection: BIONICLE Jeux et activités ''(Games and activities)''.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 16:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::: There we go. Yeah, I saw it on the Mahri Nui one. I'd count that, it's better than nothing. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 16:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Have there been any English translations of the AMEET books? I should like to read them, but the only ones I have been able to find online are in Russian or Polish. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
: I am in the process of translating all of the books in languages other than english including all of the AMEET books, though I am unsure how to best provide it to the public eye. I was thinking maybe scans of the originals edited with translation textboxes to be archived on BMP along with raw originals? Maybe I will post text translations on my user page here for a start. Any thoughts?--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
::These would be immensely handy. A couple years ago, I was talking for a while with an AMEET representative about getting original English manuscripts (namely Greg's original ''The Crossing'' text), and he seemed optimistic that it could happen. Sadly, I haven't heard back from him in some time.


===No===
::One way to speed things up a bit may be to use an image/pdf scanner to detect text and then correcting any inaccuracies that may have popped up. But however you do it, I'm sure both BMP and Wall of History would love to be able to archive text versions of these books. BMP doesn't even have scans of all the AMEET books, much less the non-Scholastic, non-AMEET books. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


===Comments===
:::Thanks for the input! As a matter of fact, I am already using text recognition tools to speed things up, although depending on the scan, it often requires quite a lot of manual adjustment anyways. But I have done a lot of work already and I should have a hefty list of translations ready in the following days. Maybe I will even post something today to test out some formating. Aside from translations of already archived AMEET publications, I am also tracking down new ones and other non-AMEET stuff (hence the recent additions). Once I have it all translated I certainly plan to make contributions to BMP/Wall of History.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Don't forget to sign your proposals, y'all. also, can we assume that, unless stated otherwise during the duration of the discussion, a proposal counts as a vote? meaning that if 6 people put their username under the yes section but one of them is the proposal writer, then there are in fact only 5 people who are voting yes. (avoiding the proposer's vote double counting.)[[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:34, 6 March 2017 (CET)


== BioMedia Project ==
::::Alright the [[User:ToaKebaka|first one is out]].--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 21:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


As it is a fairly extensive collection of Bionicle Generation 1 media, it seems like a page for [http://biomediaproject.com/bmp/ BioMedia Project] might be a worthwhile addition. To be honest, I'm not sure about some of their content, such as full scans of the various G1 comics-I'm not an expert but it seems like a copyright question-but what do y'all think?--[[User:Wiriamu|Wiriamu]] ([[User talk:Wiriamu|talk]]) 08:31, 17 December 2016 (CET)
=== Create HarperCollins Books ===
I'll raise you one. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


'''Page will be made.'''
'''Page will be made.'''


=== Comments ===
====Comments on creating HarperCollins Books====
The only problem with copyright would be the scans of Glatorian Comics 3-7, as those were never published for free online.
I guess an important question to be asked -- are the five activity books (the ones not part of the Mini-Guide series) a series of their own, or standalone? If the former, what do we call that series? <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 11:09, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 21:19, 6 January 2017 (CET)
:Well, all of them are cross-advertised on the inside with a caption ''"don't miss other great Bionicle books".'' But I think it is their contents that make it more clear. Imagine it like this: there is a pool of written material containing elements A-J, and each of the books pulls some combination of elements from this pool. So let's say FaF has elements A, B, C, D, while the Annual contains C, D, E, F, or GtS G, H, I, J. Each one has its own original content, found only in that publication, but there is some overlap between them. Activity Booklet is the only one with no original content and instead has a portion of each of the other four publications, effectivelly (not officially) acting like a sampler for these books.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 18:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Create BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book ===
Self-explanatory. See [[Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book]]. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 
'''Page will be made.'''
 
====Comments on creating BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book====
 
=== Create BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power ===
Self-explanatory. See [[Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power]]. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 
'''Page will be made.'''
 
====Comments on creating BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power====
 
==Create Buildings and/or Structures and/or Infrastructure Page==
This would be a page(or subsection) or a set of new pages that lists major and minor buildings, structures, and/or Infrastructure, as well as things like monuments or the Great Telescope system. Buildings and structures include things like the the Great Temple, The Kini-Nui, the Amaja-Nui, Matoran Houses, Ga-Metru Schools, Furnaces, the Mahri Nui Temple, etc. Infrastructure would include things like the Moto Hub, the Le-Metru Chute System, the Underwater Chutes of Ga-Metru, the liquid protodermis canals of Ga Metru, (arguably) the Great Collesium, the arenas of Bara Magna, the highways of the island of Mata Nui, etc. Minor Structures or Structures/Other could also be made to include and seperate out structures, buildings, or pieces of infrastructure with no names and/or very little significance to the story, like the alternate, non-canon towers that are seen as alternate builds or combiners of the playsets, or the unamed buildings and monuments seen in images of islands in Bionicle: World. There is also an alternate option below for voting that this should be a new subsections or set of subsections[[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 
===Votes for creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s) (specify)===
# I want a page for major and minor locations to be made. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
#I'm curious to see where this goes. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 18:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 02:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 03:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
# Sounds interesting.--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 21:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 
===Votes against creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s)===
 
===Votes for Creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure as a section on Objects or Place (specfiy)===
 
===Comments on creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s) or section(s)===
I am not entirely sure how the voting should be counted on this, but if it wasn't done this way, it would have had 64 or 84 options. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:I'm not entirely sure what is being proposed here, but there is probably room for discussion here. Are you proposing a page akin to [[Objects]]? That could be useful. In that case, I would make all of these categories into one page, maybe just call the page "Structures". This, however, raises the question of what should belong on [[Locations/Other Locations]], though, which things like the Barraki Fortresses... I guess it's not too bad to have them double-listed, as we would have that either way with locations in each Metru/Wahi anyway. Coinciding this, I think there's a discrepency between how structures/sub-locations are handled between different locations. The Metru's list is more descriptive, where as the Wahi lists only list names (including some that probably should be moved into sub-pages, especially locations inside Koros). In my opinion, the former approach is preferable. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 18:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 
::I like this idea, but I have to admit I'm a bit confused. We already have pages for the [[Moto-Hub]] and [[Chutes]], as well as the [[Great Temple]], [[Kini-Nui]], and [[Amaja-Nui]]. The Chute page already has a section for underwater cutes. I can see pages being made for Matoran homes and schools (what little we know about them) and other nonspecific locations. I think that would be very interesting. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 18:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
::This would be like the Objects or Location page. I think it should probably only be either 1 page or a page for significant ones and minor ones. It would be like a list page, though not quite just a category page. I can try to make a sandbox at some point, though it will take a while as it will be my first one. It wouldn't necessarily have to be on the front page either, as it could be relegated to the navigation format for locations, but those more general topic pages are what I am proposing. Things like a forest or mountain range wouldn't be there, as they are natural(or appear natural when it comes to the islands inside the MU). I did think I made it clear enough, but clearly I didn't do a great job, seeing as both of you are saying that you were confused. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 19:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:::I see, thanks for clarifying. I'd be inclined to say that the major locations should stay as they are and the minor ones should be assimilated into Infrastructure, but let's see how this develops. [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 20:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== Split "[[Battle in the Makuta Camp]]" from "[[Battle in the Swamp]]" ==
 
In much the same vein as [[Battle in the Shadow Leech Hive]] is separate from [[Battle in the Sky]], our current [[Battle in the Swamp]] contains information for two separate struggles--one taking place around the Makuta camp and the other taking place near the Codrex. This would also be in line with the current system of focusing on individual skirmishes rather than overarching strings of battles. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 23:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Votes for Splitting ===
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 23:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
=== Votes for Renaming the Page "Conflict in the Swamp" ===
# Alternate vote, assuming similar format for the sky battles. --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 00:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# I prefer this option, I think it's better to have a single longer page rather than multiple shorter pages. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 04:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# Moving my vote here under the stipulation that the 3 sub-conflicts should be detailed on the page.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 18:12, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
# Technically second vote. See vote under "Votes against Splitting" and my comment for further explaination. This is also the timestamp for the added words on my other vote. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 18:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 12:20, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Votes against Splitting ===
# Technically my first-choice vote, but I don't have any desire to vote here if it extends this for even longer. Basically the same as the one above. I will be willing to switch my vote if someone can expand upon whether or not this was an actually independent battle. See comment for further explanation/elaboration. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 18:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Comments on Splitting ===
I haven't actually read the media from 2008 other than reading through BS01, and the whole war/conflict is already split into many battles, but I feel like the events of the battle in the Makuta Camp was just one force retreating a battle and being followed by the Toa Mistika, and resuming combat. They never really stopped combat if I'm not mistaken, and just because they make advances and the battlefront shifts. I would probably be willing to support a rename of the page to "Battle in the Swamp of Secrets and Makuta Camp", but this doesn't need to be split into 2 pages IMO. Take this with a grain of salt though, because as I stated, I have never read very much of the source material from this time, and my info comes from research(mostly here on BS01). [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 18:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 
:I would like to see how much content there actually is for the Makuta Camp battle, but from my impression, the Makuta Camp is one battle in the overall "Conflict in the Swamp of Secrets". It has however been a while since I read the content in question. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 
::In total, there are three major skirmishes: 1) The initial battle with Mistika Makuta, 2) battle at the Makuta camp, 3) Battle at the Codrex.
This is the chronology of what takes place with the distinction between skirmishes indicated:
 
1) Toa Nuva split up to search for the Mask of Life and each encounter one of the Mistika Makuta. Onua beats Bitil and escapes, proceeds to save Gali from Gorast. The two of them see Tahu's signal for help and go join him, followed by Gorast and Bitil. Toa and Makuta are reuinited, and Toa are on defensive until Chirox falls and distracts the other Makuta. Toa escape with an Av-Matoran to learn the truth about Bohrok. [p11-63]
 
2) Makuta set a trap for the Toa Nuva, while the latter discuss an ambush strategy. The Toa divert the Makuta one by one by using delayed elemental attacks. They search the camp finding a keystone, but the trap slams shut with Makuta surrounding the Toa who hide behind a shield. Toa then bluff better then even they expected and Makuta are distracted by learning of the events up above. Toa use this chance to escape underground, but change their direction to go back for surmising their foes will be waiting for them at the Codrex. [p78-87]
 
3) Flying high up in the mist the Nuva powerdive onto unsuspecting Makuta. Note that the text calls this "final clash with the Makuta", so it is to be considered separate conflict from the camp ambush. The battle then continues into the next book, where majority of it happens. [p99-108] + BL11 [p5-37]
 
Based on this, I maintain that the two battles are separate, but I also recognize that the battle at the Makuta camp is the shortest one of the three.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 21:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 
:Thanks, Kebaka, this is handy.
 
:Since posting this, I've been going back and forth on what the best approach is. I think BS01's existing system of [[Events]] is imperfect, and splitting the page into its component battles would be logical according to it--it's not one battle but two or three. We also know that the BL10 reference for time is highly unreliable, and the whole book likely took place over a number of days (parallel to BL9's second half). Splitting up these battles will help with structuring the overall Karda Nui timeline, and certainly enough material could be pulled from the book to give each page some reasonable meat.
 
:On the other, the three battles do feed into each other quite a bit--as Wolk says, they're part of the overall "''Conflict'' in the Swamp" as opposed to a "''Battle'' in the Swamp." Renaming the page accordingly and dividing it into three parts would help to illustrate the connectivity of these skirmishes.
 
:That said, the "''Conflict'' in the Sky" follows a similar structure as that of the Swamp. You have the first battle shown in Ignition Comic 12 and 12.5, the battle in Mutran's Hive, and the resulting Makuta attack on the last Matoran village. (The first of these battles is completely skipped in our "Battles and Conflicts" series, despite its coverage in both Comic 12 and 12.5.)
 
:I won't change the poll yet, but what's the mood about merging/renaming the existing pages as "Conflict in the Sky" and "Conflict in the Swamp" which each detail their three battles? Or would six individual pages focused on the specific battles be preferable? --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 
::After reading your proposal, I think I actually prefer it to six separate pages. It is more concise and keeps the semi-continuous nature of partial battles clear to the reader.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 16:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


:I'm pretty sure they were somewhere for free, considering I've read them and didn't have a comic subscription at the time they were published. I don't think it's an issue. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (CET)
They're still WIPs, but I've put drafts of the two pages up on the [[Sandbox]] of "Conflict in the Sky" and "Conflict in the Swamp" with more detailed overviews of the six battles in question. (A good amount of [[Battle in the Sky]] was completely wrong, while [[Battle in the Swamp]] gave only the briefest overview; each page now has comparable levels of detail, referenced closely against the books.) --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 08:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


:Maybe you read scans on brickshelf? Do you think you could find the place where you read them so we can be sure that no copyright issues will come up?
==Create Ghost Studios==
:--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 23:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)
While this may not get the most care, like similar pages such as [[ADVANCE]]'s, Ghost was a pretty important part of Bionicle, creating many animations that Bionicle has become well remembered for. It is a little hard to find a full list, but they are responsible for the [[Toa Hagah Commercial]], the [[Mistika Commercial]], the [[2008 Vehicle Commercial]], the [[Phantoka Commercial]], the [[2006 Playset Commercial]], the [[Visorak Commercial]], and at least half a dozen more. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


::The scans could be found on BrickShelf some years ago (I don't know they're still there). I remember for I tried to translate the comic, but the scans were kind of awful ones, nearly unreadable, so I couldn't xd... By the way, they were on Brickshelf. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 23:14, 10 January 2017 (CET)
===Votes for creating Ghost Studios===
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 03:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 21:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)


:::another point to make, we're not posting the content ourselves, but simply linking to another site that does, so i don't think it's an issue.
===Votes against creating Ghost Studios===
:::also, we have links to all the comics on here somewhere anyway, so... [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 16:58, 11 January 2017 (CET)


::::Ok, I guess this technically wont get us into trouble. (BTW, GC3-7 are not linked )
===Comments on creating Ghost Studios===
::::--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:27, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Isn't Ghost Studios just a department of Advance? I'm pretty sure all of the CG animation is made by them.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 13:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
:I could find no mention of this anywhere through searches nor on any section of Advance's website, including their extensive page on their partnership and work with Lego, starting with Bionicle. It is almost impossible to find anything about Ghost though, as their are many companies who do that kind of work by that name, including on in Calcuhta, India, one in South America(Argentinian and Brazilian), and one tiny one in Utah. Once a website and/or business records can be found or established, we can know for sure, but they seem like an independent group, possibly having been contracted through Advance or by Lego directly. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 18:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
::[https://www.ghostvfx.com/ Here] is Ghost VFX's website; the first listed studio is in Copenhagen, so it's most likely the one we're looking for. Their URL used to be [http://www.ghost.dk/ www.ghost.dk] (which now redirects to the current URL), and by going to Wayback Machine, we can find Ghost's [https://web.archive.org/web/20070715074044/http://www.ghost.dk/index/dansk/galleri/LEGO%20Bionicle%20Arkiv LEGO Bionicle Arkiv] in 2007. And there we have it:


::::Eh, the original saga's comics were not released on the BIONICLE.com, but we have links for them. And comics 3-5 were released 8 years ago, the last two were released 7 years ago, I don't think there would be copyright issue, if the BioMedia Project is still active. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:34, 11 January 2017 (CET)
::"'''Kunde:''' Advance<br>'''Ghost:''' 3D / Compositing"


No, the original comics ''were'' released for free on the website. So, the page got six votes for yes, it will be made, right?
::So Ghost did "3D / Compositing" work on the animations, while Advance was the client. Worth noting is that at least one animation attributed to Ghost Studios, [[Toa Hagah Commercial]], is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uOAAFazkWs uploaded] on Advance Copenhagen's YouTube channel. Illustration artist [https://www.artstation.com/klavs_ferdinand Klavs Ferdinand] lists [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nQJOEO some artwork] for Advance and [https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1nbAge other artwork] for Ghost VFX on their ArtStation page, and 3D artist CG animator [https://gillfrank.dk/onewebmedia/Profile.pdf Gill Frank] lists both Ghost A/S and Advance A/S on his resume, so there's been people who've worked with/for both companies. So I suppose the question becomes how much work did Advance vs. Ghost do on these animations? --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 02:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
--'''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 17:40, 11 January 2017 (CET)


:Before we create the page we would need a [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox|Sandbox section]], to see how it'll look like, I think. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)
==Proposal to rename [[Great Spirit Robot]] to [[Mata Nui Robot]]==
Same as we've done for several pages by now; current name is a fanon nickname, a different name is provided in the story. Mata Nui Robot is cited on the page. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


==Temple of Creation (Okoto)==
===Votes for renaming Great Spirit Robot to Mata Nui Robot===
The Temple of Creation houses the Great Forge, is the workplace of the Mask Makers, and is the scene of the defeat of Kulta. I daresay there's more information for it than a lot of G2 articles we currently do have, and, as has been previously noted, G2 can afford more pages.
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 14:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
# --[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 17:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


Along with this, "Temple of Creation" would presumably become a disambiguation and the current Temple of Creation would be renamed "Temple of Creation (Po-Koro))" or something along those lines. --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 19:05, 7 January 2017 (CET)
===Votes against renaming Great Spirit Robot===


===Yes===
===Comments on renaming Great Spirit Robot to Mata Nui Robot===
# --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 19:05, 7 January 2017 (CET)
# Why would you call it Temple of Creation (Okoto)?? It would be more simple to create a <nowiki>"{{G|1|Temple of Creation}} / [[Temple of Creation (Generation 1)]]" page (move the article of the original from Po-Wahi here), turn the "Temple of Creation" into a Disamig, and create a "{{G|2|Temple of Creation}} / [[Temple of Creation (Generation 2)]]</nowiki> page for the new one. - '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:30, 7 January 2017 (CET)
# I agree with surel, having a simple g1 and g2 page would be best instead of a disambig [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 16:56, 11 January 2017 (CET)
#G2 could always use more pages, and this was a crucial location - more crucial than the Temple of Time or Light, and we have those. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 03:54, 14 January 2017 (CET)
#<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
#--- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 07:01, 6 March 2017 (CET)
#-- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  19:56, 8 March 2017 (CET)


===No===


==Create Memoirs of the Dead==
While the Memoirs for the Dead contest is mentioned on [[Meta:Fan Community#Incomplete_Contests]], it was brought up [[Talk:Main Page#Memoirs_of_the_Dead|here on the Main Page's Talk Page]] that Greg said that the winners would become official(it isn't clear if that means canon or not though), and that they did not need to get his approval so long as they didn't contradict the existing story. With the contest for the Mangai's tools and Kanohi, I don't believe these were rejected from canon either, so I don't believe that its status is applicable here. We could also make the decision if the winning stories would also get their own pages, probably coming down to whether we consider them canon, but this is about an overall page. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 19:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


===Comments===
===Votes for creating Memoirs of the Dead===
Yeah, or that. I'm too used to other wiki policies XD --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 20:06, 7 January 2017 (CET)
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 19:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 23:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Willess12|Willess12]] ([[User talk:Willess12|talk]]) 10:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


:We have G1-G2 pages for Toa, Hook Blades etc. We also have and use GenTabs in some cases for example for Ta-Wahi (which means Fire Region in G1) and the Region of Fire (the fire region of G2) or for Teridax and G2 Makuta. So it's more simple. :D -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:21, 7 January 2017 (CET)
===Votes against creating Memoirs of the Dead===


::why don't we use gentabs on all the pages that have a (gen #) in their title? if there's a gen 1 version, that would imply an article has a gen 2 counterpart that could/should be linked[[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:02, 11 January 2017 (CET)
===Comments on creating Memoirs of the Dead===
As far as I remember Greg never canonized them as official, neither has he read them to decide if the winners, by his point of view, can be canonized. Even if we make the page/pages, we should put the non canon banner up on them.--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 12:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
: Since they're not exactly non-canon, but not exactly canon either, would it be possible to make a new banner for them, an "uncanonized" banner?  Otherwise, I agree, they should have pages.--[[User:Willess12|Willess12]] ([[User talk:Willess12|talk]]) 19:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)


:We use the gentabs every cases when there's a gen1 - gen2 character/item/etc. I also added the gentabs for Mata Nui's 6 Wahi and the Okotan region, because their names literally are the same. {{C|"Ta-Wahi, literally, means Region of Fire" and the Okotan vulcanic region is called "Region of Fire."}} -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:47, 18 March 2017 (CET)
==Create Pages For Ancient Protectors (G2)==
I don't know exactly how much is known about the old protectors from 1,000 years ago, but it certainly isn't nothing. One option I propose is that we just create pages for them(Agarak, Uganu(formerly Udapo), Owaki(formerly Owa), Etoku(formerly Epolim), Kerato, Mamuk, and maybe even Bumonda, Buzkayo, Droton, Flammik, Jagiri, and Rokreng). Alternatively, we could either have some or all of these other protectors on a Protectors/Other Protectors page. Finally, we can just make a page for Protector of [Element] for each element, and that will be the page for all of them. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 01:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
===Votes for creating Agarak, Uganu, Owaki, Etoku, Kerato, Mamuk, and and 'Others' page(for either Okotans in general or specifically one for Protectors [specify] ) ===
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 01:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
: I think that Okotans/Other Okotans should be made in addition to these 6, though I would also be fine if we just make Characters/Other Charcters (Generation 2) with category #Okotans [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


== Change [[Dekar-Hydraxon]] to Hydraxon (Duplicate) ==
===Votes for creating Agarak, Uganu, Owaki, Etoku, Kerato, Mamuk===
#Don't see a need for an 'other protectors' page or for the six that are simply name-dropped, but Agarak & Mamuk's group, yes. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 10:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 14:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


Okay, this isn't '''THAT''' big of a deal, but it's still something that bothers me. I'm not a big fan of the Dekar-Hydraxon name. It's a mouthful to say, it sounds odd when in the middle of a page section there's a "And then Dekar-Hydraxon punched Nocturne in the face" or stuff like that, it breaks the flow for me. So it's worth a try. It sounds better to me too, but yeah, that.
===Votes for creating Agarak, Uganu, Owaki, Etoku, Kerato, Mamuk, Bumonda Buzkayo, Droton, Flammik, Jagiri, and Rokreng===


===Yes===
===Votes for creating only Protectors/Other Protectors or Okotan/Other Okotans (specify)===
#Great idea. ---<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 01:00, 3 March 2017 (CET)
# Good solution. Would we also move Hydraxon to Hydraxon (Original) and make Hydraxon a disambig, or keep old Hydraxon as plain Hydraxon? In support of the second option, we currently have Teridax and Teridax (The Melding Alternate Universe). -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 06:15, 4 March 2017 (CET)
#I proposed the name, so of course I'm down for it. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 23:59, 4 March 2017 (CET)


===No===
===Votes for creating 6 "Protector of [Element]" pages===
# He wasn't simply Hydraxon after the transformation; he still retained significant aspects of Dekar. I feel like dubbing him simply as some replacement would be a disservice to Dekar's character. --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 02:50, 6 March 2017 (CET)
#Dashes > Parentheses -- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  19:54, 8 March 2017 (CET)


===Merge with [[Dekar]]===
===Votes for no changes===
#Upon better thought, this sounds better to me. --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 00:47, 7 March 2017 (CET)
===Comments on creating pages for Ancient Protectors(G2)===
# Maybe merging the page with Dekar's would be a better idea. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 00:49, 7 March 2017 (CET)
With only three groups, I think they can all be adequately listed on the Protectors page. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 07:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
# Yeah, this would make more sense. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 07:51, 7 March 2017 (CET)
# [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:48, 8 March 2017 (CET)
#--[[User:Collector1100|Collector1100]] ([[User talk:Collector1100|talk]]) 06:54, 4 March 2017 (CET)
#-- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 19:11, 16 March 2017 (CET)
#--[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 23:54, 16 March 2017 (CET)


===Comments===
We have so many Toa and Matoran that don't even have a name given nor associated action, yet they still find themselves on an 'Others' page. I don't really oppose either just making Okotans/Other Okotans (which would include the unnamed Okotans currently listed on the main Okotans page, and is what I would like if we don't feel we have enough for an 'Others' page just for protecters), or even just at least add them to Okotans#Ancient. I know they may be of questionable canonicity if they truly do only appear as background inscriptions in one illustration, but I don't know that they should be relegated to a triva point and potentially lost to time (in the real world, though that seems to be the case on Okoto as well :p). I will just add my vote to both sections and explain, but if you think we should just merge those vote categories, I am alright with that. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
6 yes, so... It is decided? --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 07:08, 5 March 2017 (CET)


:Wait, I thought that the six votes rule only applied when the other option had none. Am I mistaken? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 11:43, 5 March 2017 (CET)
:Bumonda & co. should be listed *somewhere*, that much I agree with, just not having a page only for the sake of listing them and them alone. Whether a separate page is warrented for the list is a question of how many entries we are dealing with. Personally, I'd list them on both the Okotans and Protectors pages. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 16:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


::We don't have new rules set in stone yet, but that was the thinking. There were 6 for yes and 0 for no at one point (see [http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php?title=BIONICLEsector01_talk:Articles_for_Creation&oldid=119008 this edit]), but one of those yes votes is from Angel Bob, who proposed the change, so I could see the argument that 7 yes votes and 0 no would be required in this case. Let's let Dorek weigh in on this one or wait for 8 yes votes before doing anything. -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 19:19, 5 March 2017 (CET)
:Generally all the unnamed matoran are either listed on their respective matoran page, like [[Ta-Matoran#Known Ta-Matoran]] or on the main [[Matoran#Other Matoran]], the same thing goes for the [[Agori#Known Agori]] too, so I don't see why we would need a separate page just to list them, simply adding them to the Okotans page, if they aren't already there, would be enough for those we wouldn't make individual pages imo.--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 15:51, 11 February 2024 (UTC)


:::In response to 777stairs' vote, what about merging the page with Dekar? I know this has been discussed in the past, and Dorek opposed it; but I think it would satisfy what the Yes voters here are after. I personally have always thought it's very strange that we have two pages for him. Even if his mind was affected in the transformation, it's clear from published materials that he's still the same being on the inside. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 06:02, 6 March 2017 (CET)
==Proposal to rename [[Toa Disk]] to Toa Disks==
We have the [[Great Disks]] page being plural, and I think the same should apply to the [[Toa Disk]] page. Both are nouns that can and have been used to refer to individual disks, but they are both sets, and though there was an individual decoy Toa Disk made and placed in Vakama's forge, I don't think that detracts from this. I have yet to even proof that Toa Disks exist beyond the ones made for the Toa Metru, and so we have no reason to assume that if any other Toa Disks exist that they wouldn't also be made as a collection for a whole team. This would also be precidented by [[Charms]] and [[Crystals]], though is not what we currently have for [[Keystone]] and [[Makoki Stone]](though both have their reasons). [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


::::It ''could'' work, have a tab in the infobox so it switches between Dekar and Hydraxon. But at the same time, Dekar =/= New!Hydraxon. I '''really''' don't know what to do. He is Dekar, but at the same time, you can't say "Hydraxon is Dekar" because he's a literal copy of the original. It's like the original never died. <br> Like Hydraxon himself said, ''"It doesn't matter who I was before. What counts is who I am now - Hydraxon. Your enemy. Your jailer... Your nightmare for 90 millennia, and for every day that's left to you."'' (God this character is great I love him.) --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 07:08, 6 March 2017 (CET)
===Votes for renaming [[Toa Disk]] to Toa Disks===
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


If we change anything, i think we should merge the page with the dekar page. they're the same character, it's just that he got turned into a copy of another character and was given his memories. as far as the 6 votes thing goes, i think onionshark was right when he said that 6 votes is sufficient only when there's no no votes. personally, i think that no and yes votes should cancel each other out for lack of a better term, and just say we need a majority of 6 votes to do something, unless it's been up for a certain period of time and not enough people have voted, then simple majority wins. really though we should just open another section on this page just for that discussion haha.[[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:05, 6 March 2017 (CET)
===Votes against renaming [[Toa Disk]]===
# Great Disks and Crystals get to be named that way because there's only the one set of them, and the page is thus focused on the specific set, 'the Great Disks', and not on the concept of a Great Disk. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 17:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
# I'll see where the discussion about other stuff will develop.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 21:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 09:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 20:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 17:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


:But how are we gonna call him? Dekar-Hydraxon or something else? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 07:51, 7 March 2017 (CET)
===Votes for keeping [[Toa Disk]] as-is and renaming [[Great Disks]] to Great Disk to match===


::I think we can just leave the page as "dekar", and add all the stuff from the merged page to his history section. (the merged page will have to become a redirect, i assume.) we can also have a notice on hydraxon's page; one of the ones where it's like "you may be looking for his duplicate created by the mask of life" and then that can link to a "dekar-hydraxon" section on dekar's page. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:52, 8 March 2017 (CET)
===Comments on renaming [[Toa Disk]] to Toa Disks===
I'd be in favor of moving Zamor Spheres to Zamor Sphere. Would anyone like to run some data gathering on how consistent we are with this? I think 'the' could also use some investigating, [[Three Virtues]] for instance seems weird without the 'the'. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 17:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:I think that given the scale and amount of pages with these changes(you can see some sense of the inconsistancy on the [[Objects (Generation 1)|Objects]] content page, the use and disuse of 's' for plurals and collectives on the 'Objects' Category page, the collectibles category page, the admittedly non-page entries on the [[Flora]] content page, ). The Creatures category page seems to be all singluar(save for [[Creatures|the creatures content page itself]]) and all the Kanohi that don't have Matoran names are singular as well. The pages in the Locations category where a plural or collective would potentially be applicible seem to almost if-not-always have an 's' on the end, even when it can and is used singularly. I think [[Great Ussal Race]] should probably be proceded by the word "The", and maybe we should look into changing the page name "[[Comet]]". [[Huai Snowball Sling]] might garner change itself, as I don't know if, as is used in parts of its own article, it is actually refered to as "Snowball Sling" or whether it is called "'''The''' Huai Snowball Sling" at all. Everything in the 'Matoran Occupations' category is singular, and all the Rahi save for [[Crystal Serpents]] are as well. Pages on [https://biosector01.com/wiki/BIONICLEsector01:Chronology Chronology], particularly those "Pages Reckoned by the Coming of the Toa", are inconsistent with using the word "The" when applicable. [[City-Building Creatures]], is pluralized. The pages in the "Tools" category vary with when they use collectives or plurals, such as how [[Rahaga Staffs]], [[Toa Hagah Spears]], [[Toa Tools]], [[Bohrok Shields]], [[Bohrok-Kal Shields]], [[Combat Staffs]],are pluralized (or collectivised), but [[Kanoka Launcher]], [[Zamor Sphere Launcher]], [[Badge of Office]], [[Bamboo Disk]], [[Cordak Blaster]], [[Eccentric Rock]], [[Electro Chute Blade]], [[Electro-Blade]], [[Elemental Blaster]], [[Energized Flame Sword]](though this one seems like it is considered a singular object by us), [[Energy Extraction Rifle]], [[Energy Siphon Blade]], [[Firestaff]], [[Firework Revolver]], and [[Freeze Bow]] are all singular. Everything in the "Vehicles" category seems to be singular. I only went as far as 'f' in tools because this is already a lot, but I think you get the picture and a good list of topics.
:I know this isn't some proper data or figures, but this clearly shows that there is a lot going on. I think we need to have a special vote on this, either here on AfC or on the Voting Center(depending on if we are able and willing to reopen that). [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 19:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::Alright, I'm leaning towards that the following should be moved to singular:
::[[Zamor Spheres]], [[Power Swords]], and [[Crystal Serpents]].
::[[City-Building Creatures]] ends up sounding like a single individual if moved to singular, therefor I would not move it.
::Things like Rahaga Staffs or Bohrok Shields are as said, collectivised. Per Wikipedia's [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(plurals) conventions]: "Articles that actually distinguish among multiple distinct instances of related items can be sensibly given a plural title when the alternative would be to create an inappropriately large number of short articles, one on each instance." I think this exactly describes those pages.
::Pages such as [[Chargers]] or [[Proto Pitons]] are referring to specific and unique pairs, thus they are plural. Compare to [[Electro-Blade]], which is a class of object possessed by multiple characters. [[Shredder Claws]] should remain plural because even on their own they are still sets of three claws.
::[[Flora]] page should be revised for consistent singular.
::Great Disks is referring to group of very specific objects, ''the six'' Great Disks, thus the page title is of the collective. Meanwhile the Toa Disk page is for the class of object, which is always singular.
::However, an argument could be made that Crystal Serpents should remain plural for the same reason as Great Disks. Is it refereing ''the Crystal Serpents'' or the species, Crystal Serpent? An in the reverse, things like Bohrok Shields or [[Staffs of Power]] could be singular. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 21:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Since Crystal Serpents refers to only four specific individuals to ever exist, I would lean towards keeping it a plural.--[[User:ToaKebaka|ToaKebaka]] ([[User talk:ToaKebaka|talk]]) 22:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::::True. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 10:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'll leave the Crystal Serpents be, but I'll make a redirect. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
::What are our plans for all the rest of these? A handful have been given AfC pages(though since they are renaming, they should probably be on AfD, but I digress), but this is a site-wide issue, and so this isn't really viable. I personally kinda feel like a larger number of things should be plural, but I don't want to vote for like 3 or 4 alone, as that just is making the site less cohesive. Also, two additional suggestionx relating to including the word "The" are adding it to [[Dark Hunters]] and [[League of Six Kingdoms]], as the fist just sounds like it is about some kind of species or "type" of people, and the second I think should change because they are always refered to as "'''''The''''' League of Six Kingdoms" (I didn't know where to fit this in). Anyways, what should we do with the problem(s) as a whole? [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 16:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Renamings go on AfC, per the project page. Lo6K does not get a 'the', for the same reason [[wikipedia:United States]] doesn't. It also is not applies in the Encyclopedia Updated entry, thus 'the' is not part of the name. Same for Dark Hunters. [[The Drifts]] could possibly be moved to [[Drifts]], as that's what BEU calls it. What other pages are there? <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 19:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
::::I mentioned a ton above. The ones I think are most in need of a vote are [[Badge of Office]], [[Bohrok Shields]], [[Bohrok-Kal Shields]], [[City-Building Creatures]], [[Combat Staffs]], [[Cordak Blaster]], [[Crystal Serpents]], [[Eccentric Rock]], [[Electro Chute Blade]], [[Electro-Blade]], [[Elemental Blaster]], [[Elemental Crystals]], [[Energy Extraction Rifle]], [[Energy Siphon Blade]], [[Firestaff]], [[Firework Revolver]], and [[Freeze Bow]], [[Furnace Salamander]], [[Frost Beetle]], [[Great Ussal Race]], [[Huai Snowball Sling]], [[Kanoka Launcher]], [[Rahaga Staffs]], [[Three Virtues]], [[Toa Hagah Spears]], [[Toa Tools]], and [[Zamor Sphere Launcher]]. With most weapons that there are multiple of in existance that are likely or known to be not a part of a specific set (including G1 and G2, examples being Energy Extraction Rifle, [[Ice Spear]] and Freeze Bow), they are singular, but independent objects/categories of completely different items spread across the MU or Okoto such as Toa Tools, Bohrok Shields, Bohrok-Kal Shields (?), [[Hook Blades (Skull Scorpio)]], [[Razor Sharp Hook Blades]], [[Objects (Generation 2)#Villains|Spears]], [[Objects (Generation 2)#Villains|Rapid Shooters]], and more are pluralized. There is a ton on things, and they should be consistent. Not only would it be a nightmare to make all of these there own proposal, but if we did, then some would pass and some wouldn't even if they were exactly the same, and they would also be changed all at different times. Things like Furnace Salamander and Frost Beetle are on here because the BEU lists both of them and talks about them both on the same page in the same, pluralized fashion, but one is listed as "Furnace Salamander" and the other is listed as "Frost Beetle'''''s'''''". I don't mind if this voting is done on a single, overarching AfC proposal with several options for clearly-specified standards, and maybe we should also or possible just have Swert decide. We can only rely on the existing poicies and Wikipedia's standards so much before we have to make a decision, and there are lots of decisions to be made here. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 16:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::For most of these, they are already the correct form according to Wikipedia's standard. Razor Sharp Hook Blades (same case as the Electro-Blades if both Skull Slicer and Kulta carry them -- needs research), Elemental Crystals (though I think it could be argued it is referring to six different but similar kinds of objects), and either Toa Tools or Badge of Office, stand out to me as subject to change. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 17:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::There are few G2 cases that would need moving: [[Shadow Traps]], [[Skull Spiders]], [[Skull Scorpios]]. These should be treated consistently with the likes of [[Shadow Leech]], [[Spider Crab]], [[Bog Snake]] etc. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 18:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


Made a [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Dekar|sandbox]] for what the pages would look like if we merged them. I think it makes a compelling case for merging them, but I'd like to hear what others have to say. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 23:39, 9 March 2017 (CET)
==Proposal to rename [[Zamor Spheres]] to Zamor Sphere==
This page name is inconsistently pluralized, where as other such objects (and even Zamors on the Objects list page) are not in plural. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


:I modified the sandbox a bit, it's clearer, and I'm thinking that we should separate Dekar's and Hydraxon's appearances, made the "Appearance" into 2 subsections. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:56, 10 March 2017 (CET)
===Votes for renaming Zamor Spheres to Zamor Sphere===
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 16:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 20:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 17:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


::I like your improvements to the template! As for Appearances, that could be done easily; just copy-paste the Appearances sections from both Dekar and Dekar-Hydraxon pages. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 22:06, 10 March 2017 (CET)
===Votes against renaming Zamor Spheres===


:::I just did it, it's a bit interesting and strange. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 22:17, 10 March 2017 (CET)
===Comments on renaming Zamor Spheres to Zamor Sphere===


::::I like the idea of separating the appearances of dekar and dekar-hydraxon. when i'm reading the sandboxed article, it feels a little strange to see him outright called hydraxon, since i know that's another character. on his page, shouldn't we still call him dekar-hydraxon?
==Proposal to rename [[Power Swords]] to Power Sword==
::::One other thing, are dekar-hydraxon's appearances different from hydraxon's appearances? i only gave them a cursory glance over, so just ignore me if i'm wrong, but i think we may be counting appearances of one as the other. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 18:06, 13 March 2017 (CET)
These weapons are not unique and are not paired by functionality. They are more in line with [[Electro-Blade]] and should not be pluralized. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)


So, 7 votes for merge with Dekar. 3 for the renaming, 2 for the remaining. Which's gonna happen?? -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED"></font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:43, 18 March 2017 (CET)
===Votes for renaming Power Swords to Power Sword===
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
#--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 16:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 20:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
# --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
#[[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 17:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)


:The one that gets the eighth vote first, I assume, so probably "Merge with Dekar." '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 20:05, 18 March 2017 (CET)
===Votes against renaming Power Swords===


== Create a page about Harvali ==
===Comments on renaming Power Swords to Power Sword===


Harvali is the archeologist featured in Revenge of the Skull Spiders. I haven't finished the book yet, I'm by page 65, but so far Harvali seems important enough for a page. The fact that she only gets a mention in the Islanders page is outrageous to me. We have smaller pages, why can't she get one? --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 00:49, 7 March 2017 (CET)
== Split "Bohrok Va Kaita" from "[[Bohrok Kaita]]" ==
Bohrok and Bohrok Va are not the same. They have the same function, and both listen to what the Bahrag say, but Bohrok are lifeless machines transformed from Av-Matoran, while Bohrok Va are sentient robotic(I honestly thought they were bio-mechanical, but I guess I'm wrong) helpers who are loyal to but not controlled by the Bahrag. Just because they having the same purpose, they shouldn't be equated. It would be like putting "Makuta Kaita" on the [[Toa Kaita]] page, because both are biomechanical beings made to maintain order in the Matoran Universe. There is pretty much no info on either page though, and one of the two known fusion models doesn't even have it's picture on the [[Bohrok Va]]  page. I don't mind ''too'' much if they don't have their own page, as many fusions are relegated to their the pages of their constiuant component(s), but it really has no place on the [[Bohrok Kaita]] page. This is a little bit complicated, as this being on  the page is apparently a deciding element to someones vote on the AFD proposal to merge [[Bohrok Kaita Ja]] and [[Bohrok Kaita Za]] with [[Bohrok Kaita]], and may have even been done for that reason, so while I don't know how to deal with that, just keep it in mind. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


===Create the page===
=== Votes for splitting into new page===
#--- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 00:49, 7 March 2017 (CET)
# [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
#If we have a page for [[Lein]], we need a page for Harvali.  --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 02:07, 7 March 2017 (CET)
# -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:20, 7 March 2017 (CET)
#-- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  19:56, 8 March 2017 (CET)
#-- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 05:02, 20 March 2017 (CET)
#I see no reason why not; less-significant characters have gotten articles, after all. -- '''[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 05:52, 20 March 2017 (CET)'''


===Don't create the page===
=== Votes for moving/consolidating all content to the page "[[Bohrok Va]]" ===


===Comments===
=== Votes against Splitting ===
I just wanted to say that i like how the sections are called "don't create the page" and "create the page" instead of a simple "yes/no". makes reading the diffs much easier. /thumbsup [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:46, 8 March 2017 (CET)
#The Bohrok Va Kaita never appeared in the story, so I don't think they require a separate page.[[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 15:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
#Don't think it's necessary to split based on mechanical vs biomechanical--I see that page as being an affiliation page, and all three (Bohrok, Bohrok Va, and Bohrok-Kal) are affiliated with the Bohrok Swarms. That said, I'd be open to making "Bohrok Va Kaita Ja" and "Bohrok Va Kaita Za." --'''[[User:Gonel|<font color="grey">Gonel</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Gonel|talk]]) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
#Same as TuragaHordika, they never appeared in the story, they weren't even mentioned in a magazine as the main kaita. And yes, both for Bohrok and Bohrok Va Kaita the "Ja" and "Za" titles were most likely fan names based on the kals. They are not mentioned officially as "Ja" and "Za" anywhere at all.--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="#00FFFF">SurelNuva</font>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="GOLDENROD">Talk</font>]])</small> 18:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
# <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 19:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
# [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="red" face="Algerian" size="3">- Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|''<font color="goldenrod" face="Algerian">Converse</font>'']]</sup> 06:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


[[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Harvali|Sandbox]] --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 01:40, 9 March 2017 (CET)
=== Comments on Splitting ===
I think that it would probably also be warrented to create "Bohrok Va Kaita Ja" and "Bohrok Va Kaita Za" as well, supposing it is decided to keep [[Bohrok Kaita Ja]] and [[Bohrok Kaita Za]](which I am in favor of), but since I don't want to create another option for something which would be just as unpopular, and since the vote to delete/merge them likely pass, I didn't include a special option for that. [[User:Firespitter Lhii|Firespitter Lhii]] ([[User talk:Firespitter Lhii|talk]]) 15:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
:The problem with giving them their own pages is that they never appeared in the story, and as far as I know, the names "Ja" and "Za" that are attributed to them are simply fan names given to them based off the Bohrok-Kal Kaita. Also, the reason I think the Va Kaita should stay on the main Bohrok Kaita page is because they are are still a part of the swarm despite them not having the same origin as the Bohrok. I also think they should not have individual pages because we have similar pages where individual things that have made little to no appearances in the story are listed rather than given their own pages, such as [[Kanohi/Other Kanohi]]. [[User:TuragaHordika|TuragaHordika]] ([[User talk:TuragaHordika|talk]]) 16:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
::There is effectively no info on the Bohrok Va Kaita except that they exist. I believe with both Bohrok and Bohrok Va Kaita, those are just example models of what could be formed from nameless, amassed entities, unlike Ja-Kal, Za-Kal, or the two Rahkshi ones, who are closer to being specific "characters", or at least specific instances formed from 3 specific individuals, much like Wairuha and Akamai. Even with the Kal one that wasn't formed, that's sorta like Akamai Nuva. And there could ofc be other Vorahk for instance, but this is the fusion of specifically the Vorahk we know and love and so on. <font color="#000000">'''~''' </font> [[User:Wolk|<font color="#ffbb00">'''Wolk'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Wolk|talk]]) 19:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

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Approved proposals (please make these pages!)

Merchandise

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Regardless of exactly what we call it, I feel as though we need a single page for all the obscure merchandising items Bionicle had during it's run, such as the Toa Mahri Dart Shooter or the Sponge Morbuzakh or even the Soft Foam Takadox Mask and Twin Knives, which clearly aren't important enough to deserve pages of their own but could probably be compiled onto a single page. The only issue I can see with this is that some of these are very difficult to find reliable citations for that extend beyond photographs (Otherwise surely there would be some mention of the wearable glow-in-the-dark Piraka teeth on the wiki) --Snaptor (talk) 01:24, 25 September 2017 (CET)

Comments on Merchandise

I think this will be a good page to have - but i think we have to be very careful in drawing the line between regular sets and stuff and all the ancillary merchandise that was available. Intelligence4 (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I found a TTV topic that has a huge list of this sort of thing. It obviously wouldn't qualify as an actual source, but it could certainly help as a sort of "checklist" to see exactly what sort of things we're looking for. Are we allowed to link to TTV here? (Also, on a more amusing note, I'm not sure I've seen something gather eight votes this quickly in ages, I was expecting this to be controversial. =P) Snaptor (talk) 11:10, 28 September 2017 (CET)

I just realized this only technically counts as seven votes, oops. Snaptor (talk) 23:49, 28 September 2017 (CET)
MY VOTE COUNTS FOR EVERYTHING -- Dorek Talk External Image 03:39, 29 September 2017 (CET)


I've been interested in documenting Bionicle merchandise and saw that there were plans for a page to be made. However, it doesn't seem like much progress was made on it. I've drafted up a possible merchandise page in my sandbox.

https://biosector01.com/wiki/User:Endruv/sandbox

I define "Merchandise" as any officially liscensed Bionicle product that isn't a set or media (such as book, movie, game, or pretty much anything not already well documented here). I sorted my list by year and whatever partner company produced the product. It's not a perfect system, as I'm still trying to figure out how to address things like Legoland gift shop items, Shop@Home exclusives, and freebies that weren't widly available. Most of my findings have been through old BZPower articles. Currently, I made it through 2003.

If there is another way I should submit a page that's already been approved, please let me know.

Update: Moved to approved pages based on Surel's suggestion.

-- Endruv (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I really appreciate the work you put into the topic, and since it was approved last time, I don't think we need a new poll for it. This could just go under the existing part on the top of the page, as a draft finally for the approved page. And in my opinion when you feel like it, you could make it into an actual page too! :) --Surel (Talk) 17:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I meant it this way :D It's already approved, you can make the page if you want to, and then expand it later. :) --Surel (Talk) 22:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

HEROSector01: Add Roblox and Poptropica Sponsored Events

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This one is for HEROSector01, as I tried to find an Articles for Creation page over there but couldn’t find one, so instead I felt like putting this here. Hero Factory had a Poptropica advertisement and two Roblox events where players could earn prizes. For Poptropica, it was a minigame level, and for Roblox, two games. You can look up more about them online but basically for Poptropica it was promoting the 2010 line of sets while for Roblox, they promoted 2012 (Breakout) and 2013 (Brain Attack). From what I can gather, Poptropica had a Stormer outfit and his ice blaster gear, while Roblox had quite a bit of prizes and Catalog items. -- FirespitterVakama (talk) 08:23 AM, 29 November 2021 (EST)

Comments on HEROSector01: Add Roblox and Poptropica Sponsored Events

Meta: Community Terminology

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I think it might be nice to have a page with frequently used terms that crop up in the community (AFOL, MoC, that kind of stuff). I'm not beholden to the name. -- Dorek Talk 17:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments on creating Meta:Community Terminology

We could potentially link this to redirect pages like MoL, RoS, or TMC, for example. - Toa Jala Converse 03:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Meta:Cut Content

Not as solid of an idea (and could use a better name), but I think it could be interesting to sort of group various prototype and pre-final release information into a location. Stuff like "Kanohi Artidax", Skrall having shadow powers, just these little miscellaneous trivia bits that do have individual homes but don't fit into a larger narrative (or if they do, that narrative tends to take up too much space on pages, for instance). And maybe there's stuff I've deemed too superfluous in the past that could find a home too. -- Dorek Talk 18:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Meta:Cut Content

This could be interesting. Maybe I'll sandbox a list for this, if not a proper article. - Toa Jala Converse 06:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

The beginnings of a list: BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Meta:Cut Content. - Toa Jala Converse 22:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

While we should show restraint in adding much more than links and any snipits that are not already on the wiki,this would be a good idea. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I won't vote against it if people really want it, but I think it reminds me of the "Meta:Common Misconceptions" idea that was floating around the Discord server--a super broad subject that could include an untold number of things, especially if we go with the proposed list of "trivia bits." I also imagine people will be more likely to visit the page of something for trivia about it rather than browse a page that may or may not include the information they're looking for (if that makes sense).
I guess if anything I'll be interested to see a fully-formed page rather than just the beginnings of one, or else I could see it being passed and then being something people barely add to. --Gonel (talk) 23:09, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:Shortcuts

Whether a BIONICLEsector01 page or a Category, I think it would make sense to list all our shortcut redirects somewhere (e.g., GSR, MU, GSB, etc.). I won't vote yet, since I don't know which option would be better. - Toa Jala Converse 06:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Shortcut page

Alternatively, we could perhaps build out Template:Shortcut as well? Might make more sense with a different functionality though... -- Dorek Talk 23:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Maybe, if we made a switch function that would let us use it for the actual shortcuts. - Toa Jala Converse 07:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

"Community Reviews" Section

Okay, so here's an intricate one.

So have you ever looked at a set page (no surprise this will be a resounding yes) and seen that set of sections: "Critical Reviews" and "Community Reviews." A lot of these models have yet to have stuff said about them from either angle. Unless we elect a reviewer (dear god please not Eljay LOL) there's nothing we can do about the Critical Reviews section, but I was thinking: what's stopping us BioSector users from submitting our own reviews to the section? Here's one idea for how this could work:

Here's the existing template that exists already.

Here's a totally real and not pretend link.

[Visualization Ends Here]

So this totally, 100% genuinely real link would lead to a page dedicated to user reviews submitted by us. See my sandbox's first Level 1 heading here. This could be a subpage, like "Set:XXXXX/Reviews" just like we have Sets/Combiners, etc. Alternatively, this can have a whole category page dedicated to it.

In each set page, you'd have something like what you can see on my sandbox's second Level 1 heading here.

So there's the idea. Thoughts? 𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

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Comments on this topic

  1. Hi this comment was made totally by the real Swert and 100% genuine. This is the coolest idea ever and we should immediately implement this. (NOT written 𝙗𝙮 𝙒𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙡𝙚𝙯 03:12, 26 December 2022 (UTC))

Hold up. I think this one will take further discussion as to how we're going to go about doing this... ~ Wolk (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Create Meta:Capitalization Conventions

This falls under a similar vein as our Meta:Shortcuts and Meta:Community Terminology, and as a reference for in-universe terminology, it also complements the Lexicon. I and some others have been sporadically doing research on different expressions, phrases, or names in the BIONICLE canon and getting a sense of whether they were originally intended as given/proper names, or if they were just became that for convenience over time by the community. In many cases, we've made some very fascinating discoveries, and quite often Greg is very consistent one way, even in his Q&A topics, despite fans frequently going the other way.

Much of the research so far has been collected on one of Morris' talk pages, but the more we discover, the more it makes sense to just give this its own page. Though the fan lexicon is unlikely to ever change, this tool would be extremely helpful for writing fanfiction or other in-universe texts, to maintain consistency with the existing canonical body of work. It would also be helpful if we ever updated the wiki to reflect these conventions (as has been suggested on Talk:Main Page--see below comment). --Gonel (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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Comments on creating Meta:Capitalization Conventions

On a side note, there's been some discussion on the BS01 Main Page talk page about the Nickname template with some of these, if anyone wants to weigh in. --Gonel (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Gallery:Sapient Beings

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While many sapient beings either have their own dedicated pages or not enough images to justify a special gallery page, having an overall page for beings like Kestora, Vortixx, the city-building creatures, The Shadowed One's Species, Sidorak's species, and possibly others would allow for people to easily be able to find images, and would make it so pages can have a "See Also" page with a gallery link. Like Gallery:Matoran, it would just have links for entries that have their own gallery pages. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 17:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Rename "Stalactite Villages" to "Sky Villages"

The current name of the page is a fan name, and is not used in any official material as far as I can tell. However, the alternate name listed on the page, "Sky Villages", is what the villages are called in their entry on page 62 of Makuta's Guide to the Universe. Because of this, I believe that the name of the page should be changed accordingly. If anybody has any other insights into this, please let me know. TuragaHordika (talk) 06:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on renaming Stalactite Villages to Sky Villages

Make "Krika's Camp"

This is the Mistika Makuta's base of operations and a reoccurring location in BL10 and the comics. Also referenced as "Krika's lair" and "Krika's haven" which would both be good titles, but it's most often called a "camp" in the narrative. --Gonel (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on Krika's Camp

Make Antroz's Cavern

This is the overall base for the Makuta and also a reoccurring location in the books and comics. In the Karda Nui section of Makuta's Guide, it and Mutran's Hive are seemingly identified as the same spot; however, Antroz's Cavern is visited after the hive is destroyed, and the scene with Vamprah and Mutran in BL9 sees them both leave Mutran's hive and head for the "main lair." --Gonel (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on Antroz's Cavern

Huh. I guess I always thought this was the same as the Shadow Leech Hive. Anyway, we have stuff like Octo Cave and Razor Whale's Teeth, so I don't see why not. ~ Wolk (talk) 08:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Create AMEET Activity Books

Some years back, we knew very little about many of the books on Books/Other Books. However, this is beginning to change, and I am confident that for many of these books, we are now far more able to create pages on par with those for other books (which aren't that big in themselves), so I think it's about due that these are given their own pages, starting with the AMEET books. I see this encompassing two different tasks: An overall series page, like BIONICLE Chronicles, as well as individual pages for each book, like BIONICLE Chronicles 1: Tale of the Toa.~ Wolk (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating AMEET Activity Books

I think we should also split out the two Scholastic books as well, though not having the Generation 2 activity book, I'm not able to describe its contents. ~ Wolk (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I also have the G2 activity book. There are actually two slightly different versions, but the differences amount to few words and formulations being different.--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Cool! Information like that should be available on the page. :) ~ Wolk (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Something to keep in mind, we'll probably need to do "BIONICLE: Piraka (AMEET)" due to the HarperCollins book of the same name. Same for BIONICLE: Voya Nui. ~ Wolk (talk) 15:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
True, although the 4 pocket-sized HarperCollins books are officially called "Mini-Guides" (it says so in the books themselves), so that could be a way to differentiate them.--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Fair. I thought I'd seen the AMEET ones called "BIONICLE Activity Books" somewhere, but now I'm not finding it. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Not sure if this counts, but BIONICLE: Voya Nui has this written among the publishing information on the back: Collection: BIONICLE Jeux et activités (Games and activities).--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
There we go. Yeah, I saw it on the Mahri Nui one. I'd count that, it's better than nothing. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Have there been any English translations of the AMEET books? I should like to read them, but the only ones I have been able to find online are in Russian or Polish. TuragaHordika (talk) 18:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I am in the process of translating all of the books in languages other than english including all of the AMEET books, though I am unsure how to best provide it to the public eye. I was thinking maybe scans of the originals edited with translation textboxes to be archived on BMP along with raw originals? Maybe I will post text translations on my user page here for a start. Any thoughts?--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
These would be immensely handy. A couple years ago, I was talking for a while with an AMEET representative about getting original English manuscripts (namely Greg's original The Crossing text), and he seemed optimistic that it could happen. Sadly, I haven't heard back from him in some time.
One way to speed things up a bit may be to use an image/pdf scanner to detect text and then correcting any inaccuracies that may have popped up. But however you do it, I'm sure both BMP and Wall of History would love to be able to archive text versions of these books. BMP doesn't even have scans of all the AMEET books, much less the non-Scholastic, non-AMEET books. --Gonel (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the input! As a matter of fact, I am already using text recognition tools to speed things up, although depending on the scan, it often requires quite a lot of manual adjustment anyways. But I have done a lot of work already and I should have a hefty list of translations ready in the following days. Maybe I will even post something today to test out some formating. Aside from translations of already archived AMEET publications, I am also tracking down new ones and other non-AMEET stuff (hence the recent additions). Once I have it all translated I certainly plan to make contributions to BMP/Wall of History.--ToaKebaka (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Alright the first one is out.--ToaKebaka (talk) 21:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Create HarperCollins Books

I'll raise you one. --Gonel (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating HarperCollins Books

I guess an important question to be asked -- are the five activity books (the ones not part of the Mini-Guide series) a series of their own, or standalone? If the former, what do we call that series? ~ Wolk (talk) 11:09, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, all of them are cross-advertised on the inside with a caption "don't miss other great Bionicle books". But I think it is their contents that make it more clear. Imagine it like this: there is a pool of written material containing elements A-J, and each of the books pulls some combination of elements from this pool. So let's say FaF has elements A, B, C, D, while the Annual contains C, D, E, F, or GtS G, H, I, J. Each one has its own original content, found only in that publication, but there is some overlap between them. Activity Booklet is the only one with no original content and instead has a portion of each of the other four publications, effectivelly (not officially) acting like a sampler for these books.--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Create BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book

Self-explanatory. See Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating BIONICLE: Collector's Sticker Book

Create BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power

Self-explanatory. See Books/Other Books#BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

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Comments on creating BIONICLE: Quest for the Masks of Power

Create Buildings and/or Structures and/or Infrastructure Page

This would be a page(or subsection) or a set of new pages that lists major and minor buildings, structures, and/or Infrastructure, as well as things like monuments or the Great Telescope system. Buildings and structures include things like the the Great Temple, The Kini-Nui, the Amaja-Nui, Matoran Houses, Ga-Metru Schools, Furnaces, the Mahri Nui Temple, etc. Infrastructure would include things like the Moto Hub, the Le-Metru Chute System, the Underwater Chutes of Ga-Metru, the liquid protodermis canals of Ga Metru, (arguably) the Great Collesium, the arenas of Bara Magna, the highways of the island of Mata Nui, etc. Minor Structures or Structures/Other could also be made to include and seperate out structures, buildings, or pieces of infrastructure with no names and/or very little significance to the story, like the alternate, non-canon towers that are seen as alternate builds or combiners of the playsets, or the unamed buildings and monuments seen in images of islands in Bionicle: World. There is also an alternate option below for voting that this should be a new subsections or set of subsectionsFirespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Votes for creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s) (specify)

  1. I want a page for major and minor locations to be made. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
  2. I'm curious to see where this goes. - Toa Jala Converse 18:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
  3. ~ Wolk (talk) 02:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  4. TuragaHordika (talk) 03:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  5. Sounds interesting.--SurelNuva (Talk) 21:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes against creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s)

Votes for Creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure as a section on Objects or Place (specfiy)

Comments on creating Buildings, Structures and/or Infrastructure Page(s) or section(s)

I am not entirely sure how the voting should be counted on this, but if it wasn't done this way, it would have had 64 or 84 options. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 17:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what is being proposed here, but there is probably room for discussion here. Are you proposing a page akin to Objects? That could be useful. In that case, I would make all of these categories into one page, maybe just call the page "Structures". This, however, raises the question of what should belong on Locations/Other Locations, though, which things like the Barraki Fortresses... I guess it's not too bad to have them double-listed, as we would have that either way with locations in each Metru/Wahi anyway. Coinciding this, I think there's a discrepency between how structures/sub-locations are handled between different locations. The Metru's list is more descriptive, where as the Wahi lists only list names (including some that probably should be moved into sub-pages, especially locations inside Koros). In my opinion, the former approach is preferable. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
I like this idea, but I have to admit I'm a bit confused. We already have pages for the Moto-Hub and Chutes, as well as the Great Temple, Kini-Nui, and Amaja-Nui. The Chute page already has a section for underwater cutes. I can see pages being made for Matoran homes and schools (what little we know about them) and other nonspecific locations. I think that would be very interesting. - Toa Jala Converse 18:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
This would be like the Objects or Location page. I think it should probably only be either 1 page or a page for significant ones and minor ones. It would be like a list page, though not quite just a category page. I can try to make a sandbox at some point, though it will take a while as it will be my first one. It wouldn't necessarily have to be on the front page either, as it could be relegated to the navigation format for locations, but those more general topic pages are what I am proposing. Things like a forest or mountain range wouldn't be there, as they are natural(or appear natural when it comes to the islands inside the MU). I did think I made it clear enough, but clearly I didn't do a great job, seeing as both of you are saying that you were confused. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
I see, thanks for clarifying. I'd be inclined to say that the major locations should stay as they are and the minor ones should be assimilated into Infrastructure, but let's see how this develops. - Toa Jala Converse 20:08, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Split "Battle in the Makuta Camp" from "Battle in the Swamp"

In much the same vein as Battle in the Shadow Leech Hive is separate from Battle in the Sky, our current Battle in the Swamp contains information for two separate struggles--one taking place around the Makuta camp and the other taking place near the Codrex. This would also be in line with the current system of focusing on individual skirmishes rather than overarching strings of battles. --Gonel (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Votes for Splitting

  1. --Gonel (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Votes for Renaming the Page "Conflict in the Swamp"

  1. Alternate vote, assuming similar format for the sky battles. --Gonel (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. I prefer this option, I think it's better to have a single longer page rather than multiple shorter pages. TuragaHordika (talk) 04:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Moving my vote here under the stipulation that the 3 sub-conflicts should be detailed on the page.--ToaKebaka (talk) 18:12, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. Technically second vote. See vote under "Votes against Splitting" and my comment for further explaination. This is also the timestamp for the added words on my other vote. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. --SurelNuva (Talk) 12:20, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes against Splitting

  1. Technically my first-choice vote, but I don't have any desire to vote here if it extends this for even longer. Basically the same as the one above. I will be willing to switch my vote if someone can expand upon whether or not this was an actually independent battle. See comment for further explanation/elaboration. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Comments on Splitting

I haven't actually read the media from 2008 other than reading through BS01, and the whole war/conflict is already split into many battles, but I feel like the events of the battle in the Makuta Camp was just one force retreating a battle and being followed by the Toa Mistika, and resuming combat. They never really stopped combat if I'm not mistaken, and just because they make advances and the battlefront shifts. I would probably be willing to support a rename of the page to "Battle in the Swamp of Secrets and Makuta Camp", but this doesn't need to be split into 2 pages IMO. Take this with a grain of salt though, because as I stated, I have never read very much of the source material from this time, and my info comes from research(mostly here on BS01). Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:12, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I would like to see how much content there actually is for the Makuta Camp battle, but from my impression, the Makuta Camp is one battle in the overall "Conflict in the Swamp of Secrets". It has however been a while since I read the content in question. ~ Wolk (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
In total, there are three major skirmishes: 1) The initial battle with Mistika Makuta, 2) battle at the Makuta camp, 3) Battle at the Codrex.

This is the chronology of what takes place with the distinction between skirmishes indicated:

1) Toa Nuva split up to search for the Mask of Life and each encounter one of the Mistika Makuta. Onua beats Bitil and escapes, proceeds to save Gali from Gorast. The two of them see Tahu's signal for help and go join him, followed by Gorast and Bitil. Toa and Makuta are reuinited, and Toa are on defensive until Chirox falls and distracts the other Makuta. Toa escape with an Av-Matoran to learn the truth about Bohrok. [p11-63]

2) Makuta set a trap for the Toa Nuva, while the latter discuss an ambush strategy. The Toa divert the Makuta one by one by using delayed elemental attacks. They search the camp finding a keystone, but the trap slams shut with Makuta surrounding the Toa who hide behind a shield. Toa then bluff better then even they expected and Makuta are distracted by learning of the events up above. Toa use this chance to escape underground, but change their direction to go back for surmising their foes will be waiting for them at the Codrex. [p78-87]

3) Flying high up in the mist the Nuva powerdive onto unsuspecting Makuta. Note that the text calls this "final clash with the Makuta", so it is to be considered separate conflict from the camp ambush. The battle then continues into the next book, where majority of it happens. [p99-108] + BL11 [p5-37]

Based on this, I maintain that the two battles are separate, but I also recognize that the battle at the Makuta camp is the shortest one of the three.--ToaKebaka (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Kebaka, this is handy.
Since posting this, I've been going back and forth on what the best approach is. I think BS01's existing system of Events is imperfect, and splitting the page into its component battles would be logical according to it--it's not one battle but two or three. We also know that the BL10 reference for time is highly unreliable, and the whole book likely took place over a number of days (parallel to BL9's second half). Splitting up these battles will help with structuring the overall Karda Nui timeline, and certainly enough material could be pulled from the book to give each page some reasonable meat.
On the other, the three battles do feed into each other quite a bit--as Wolk says, they're part of the overall "Conflict in the Swamp" as opposed to a "Battle in the Swamp." Renaming the page accordingly and dividing it into three parts would help to illustrate the connectivity of these skirmishes.
That said, the "Conflict in the Sky" follows a similar structure as that of the Swamp. You have the first battle shown in Ignition Comic 12 and 12.5, the battle in Mutran's Hive, and the resulting Makuta attack on the last Matoran village. (The first of these battles is completely skipped in our "Battles and Conflicts" series, despite its coverage in both Comic 12 and 12.5.)
I won't change the poll yet, but what's the mood about merging/renaming the existing pages as "Conflict in the Sky" and "Conflict in the Swamp" which each detail their three battles? Or would six individual pages focused on the specific battles be preferable? --Gonel (talk) 08:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
After reading your proposal, I think I actually prefer it to six separate pages. It is more concise and keeps the semi-continuous nature of partial battles clear to the reader.--ToaKebaka (talk) 16:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

They're still WIPs, but I've put drafts of the two pages up on the Sandbox of "Conflict in the Sky" and "Conflict in the Swamp" with more detailed overviews of the six battles in question. (A good amount of Battle in the Sky was completely wrong, while Battle in the Swamp gave only the briefest overview; each page now has comparable levels of detail, referenced closely against the books.) --Gonel (talk) 08:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Create Ghost Studios

While this may not get the most care, like similar pages such as ADVANCE's, Ghost was a pretty important part of Bionicle, creating many animations that Bionicle has become well remembered for. It is a little hard to find a full list, but they are responsible for the Toa Hagah Commercial, the Mistika Commercial, the 2008 Vehicle Commercial, the Phantoka Commercial, the 2006 Playset Commercial, the Visorak Commercial, and at least half a dozen more. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating Ghost Studios

  1. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. ~ Wolk (talk) 02:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  3. TuragaHordika (talk) 03:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  4. --SurelNuva (Talk) 21:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes against creating Ghost Studios

Comments on creating Ghost Studios

Isn't Ghost Studios just a department of Advance? I'm pretty sure all of the CG animation is made by them.--ToaKebaka (talk) 13:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I could find no mention of this anywhere through searches nor on any section of Advance's website, including their extensive page on their partnership and work with Lego, starting with Bionicle. It is almost impossible to find anything about Ghost though, as their are many companies who do that kind of work by that name, including on in Calcuhta, India, one in South America(Argentinian and Brazilian), and one tiny one in Utah. Once a website and/or business records can be found or established, we can know for sure, but they seem like an independent group, possibly having been contracted through Advance or by Lego directly. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 18:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Here is Ghost VFX's website; the first listed studio is in Copenhagen, so it's most likely the one we're looking for. Their URL used to be www.ghost.dk (which now redirects to the current URL), and by going to Wayback Machine, we can find Ghost's LEGO Bionicle Arkiv in 2007. And there we have it:
"Kunde: Advance
Ghost: 3D / Compositing"
So Ghost did "3D / Compositing" work on the animations, while Advance was the client. Worth noting is that at least one animation attributed to Ghost Studios, Toa Hagah Commercial, is uploaded on Advance Copenhagen's YouTube channel. Illustration artist Klavs Ferdinand lists some artwork for Advance and other artwork for Ghost VFX on their ArtStation page, and 3D artist CG animator Gill Frank lists both Ghost A/S and Advance A/S on his resume, so there's been people who've worked with/for both companies. So I suppose the question becomes how much work did Advance vs. Ghost do on these animations? --PeabodySam (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to rename Great Spirit Robot to Mata Nui Robot

Same as we've done for several pages by now; current name is a fanon nickname, a different name is provided in the story. Mata Nui Robot is cited on the page. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for renaming Great Spirit Robot to Mata Nui Robot

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. TuragaHordika (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. --SurelNuva (Talk) 15:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. --ToaKebaka (talk) 17:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes against renaming Great Spirit Robot

Comments on renaming Great Spirit Robot to Mata Nui Robot

Create Memoirs of the Dead

While the Memoirs for the Dead contest is mentioned on Meta:Fan Community#Incomplete_Contests, it was brought up here on the Main Page's Talk Page that Greg said that the winners would become official(it isn't clear if that means canon or not though), and that they did not need to get his approval so long as they didn't contradict the existing story. With the contest for the Mangai's tools and Kanohi, I don't believe these were rejected from canon either, so I don't believe that its status is applicable here. We could also make the decision if the winning stories would also get their own pages, probably coming down to whether we consider them canon, but this is about an overall page. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating Memoirs of the Dead

  1. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. TuragaHordika (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Willess12 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes against creating Memoirs of the Dead

Comments on creating Memoirs of the Dead

As far as I remember Greg never canonized them as official, neither has he read them to decide if the winners, by his point of view, can be canonized. Even if we make the page/pages, we should put the non canon banner up on them.--SurelNuva (Talk) 12:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Since they're not exactly non-canon, but not exactly canon either, would it be possible to make a new banner for them, an "uncanonized" banner? Otherwise, I agree, they should have pages.--Willess12 (talk) 19:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Create Pages For Ancient Protectors (G2)

I don't know exactly how much is known about the old protectors from 1,000 years ago, but it certainly isn't nothing. One option I propose is that we just create pages for them(Agarak, Uganu(formerly Udapo), Owaki(formerly Owa), Etoku(formerly Epolim), Kerato, Mamuk, and maybe even Bumonda, Buzkayo, Droton, Flammik, Jagiri, and Rokreng). Alternatively, we could either have some or all of these other protectors on a Protectors/Other Protectors page. Finally, we can just make a page for Protector of [Element] for each element, and that will be the page for all of them. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 01:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating Agarak, Uganu, Owaki, Etoku, Kerato, Mamuk, and and 'Others' page(for either Okotans in general or specifically one for Protectors [specify] )

  1. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 01:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
I think that Okotans/Other Okotans should be made in addition to these 6, though I would also be fine if we just make Characters/Other Charcters (Generation 2) with category #Okotans Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating Agarak, Uganu, Owaki, Etoku, Kerato, Mamuk

  1. Don't see a need for an 'other protectors' page or for the six that are simply name-dropped, but Agarak & Mamuk's group, yes. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. --SurelNuva (Talk) 10:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. TuragaHordika (talk) 14:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for creating Agarak, Uganu, Owaki, Etoku, Kerato, Mamuk, Bumonda Buzkayo, Droton, Flammik, Jagiri, and Rokreng

Votes for creating only Protectors/Other Protectors or Okotan/Other Okotans (specify)

Votes for creating 6 "Protector of [Element]" pages

Votes for no changes

Comments on creating pages for Ancient Protectors(G2)

With only three groups, I think they can all be adequately listed on the Protectors page. ~ Wolk (talk) 07:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

We have so many Toa and Matoran that don't even have a name given nor associated action, yet they still find themselves on an 'Others' page. I don't really oppose either just making Okotans/Other Okotans (which would include the unnamed Okotans currently listed on the main Okotans page, and is what I would like if we don't feel we have enough for an 'Others' page just for protecters), or even just at least add them to Okotans#Ancient. I know they may be of questionable canonicity if they truly do only appear as background inscriptions in one illustration, but I don't know that they should be relegated to a triva point and potentially lost to time (in the real world, though that seems to be the case on Okoto as well :p). I will just add my vote to both sections and explain, but if you think we should just merge those vote categories, I am alright with that. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Bumonda & co. should be listed *somewhere*, that much I agree with, just not having a page only for the sake of listing them and them alone. Whether a separate page is warrented for the list is a question of how many entries we are dealing with. Personally, I'd list them on both the Okotans and Protectors pages. ~ Wolk (talk) 16:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Generally all the unnamed matoran are either listed on their respective matoran page, like Ta-Matoran#Known Ta-Matoran or on the main Matoran#Other Matoran, the same thing goes for the Agori#Known Agori too, so I don't see why we would need a separate page just to list them, simply adding them to the Okotans page, if they aren't already there, would be enough for those we wouldn't make individual pages imo.--SurelNuva (Talk) 15:51, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to rename Toa Disk to Toa Disks

We have the Great Disks page being plural, and I think the same should apply to the Toa Disk page. Both are nouns that can and have been used to refer to individual disks, but they are both sets, and though there was an individual decoy Toa Disk made and placed in Vakama's forge, I don't think that detracts from this. I have yet to even proof that Toa Disks exist beyond the ones made for the Toa Metru, and so we have no reason to assume that if any other Toa Disks exist that they wouldn't also be made as a collection for a whole team. This would also be precidented by Charms and Crystals, though is not what we currently have for Keystone and Makoki Stone(though both have their reasons). Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for renaming Toa Disk to Toa Disks

  1. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes against renaming Toa Disk

  1. Great Disks and Crystals get to be named that way because there's only the one set of them, and the page is thus focused on the specific set, 'the Great Disks', and not on the concept of a Great Disk. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. I'll see where the discussion about other stuff will develop.--ToaKebaka (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. --SurelNuva (Talk) 09:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. TuragaHordika (talk) 20:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. - Toa Jala Converse 17:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Votes for keeping Toa Disk as-is and renaming Great Disks to Great Disk to match

Comments on renaming Toa Disk to Toa Disks

I'd be in favor of moving Zamor Spheres to Zamor Sphere. Would anyone like to run some data gathering on how consistent we are with this? I think 'the' could also use some investigating, Three Virtues for instance seems weird without the 'the'. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I think that given the scale and amount of pages with these changes(you can see some sense of the inconsistancy on the Objects content page, the use and disuse of 's' for plurals and collectives on the 'Objects' Category page, the collectibles category page, the admittedly non-page entries on the Flora content page, ). The Creatures category page seems to be all singluar(save for the creatures content page itself) and all the Kanohi that don't have Matoran names are singular as well. The pages in the Locations category where a plural or collective would potentially be applicible seem to almost if-not-always have an 's' on the end, even when it can and is used singularly. I think Great Ussal Race should probably be proceded by the word "The", and maybe we should look into changing the page name "Comet". Huai Snowball Sling might garner change itself, as I don't know if, as is used in parts of its own article, it is actually refered to as "Snowball Sling" or whether it is called "The Huai Snowball Sling" at all. Everything in the 'Matoran Occupations' category is singular, and all the Rahi save for Crystal Serpents are as well. Pages on Chronology, particularly those "Pages Reckoned by the Coming of the Toa", are inconsistent with using the word "The" when applicable. City-Building Creatures, is pluralized. The pages in the "Tools" category vary with when they use collectives or plurals, such as how Rahaga Staffs, Toa Hagah Spears, Toa Tools, Bohrok Shields, Bohrok-Kal Shields, Combat Staffs,are pluralized (or collectivised), but Kanoka Launcher, Zamor Sphere Launcher, Badge of Office, Bamboo Disk, Cordak Blaster, Eccentric Rock, Electro Chute Blade, Electro-Blade, Elemental Blaster, Energized Flame Sword(though this one seems like it is considered a singular object by us), Energy Extraction Rifle, Energy Siphon Blade, Firestaff, Firework Revolver, and Freeze Bow are all singular. Everything in the "Vehicles" category seems to be singular. I only went as far as 'f' in tools because this is already a lot, but I think you get the picture and a good list of topics.
I know this isn't some proper data or figures, but this clearly shows that there is a lot going on. I think we need to have a special vote on this, either here on AfC or on the Voting Center(depending on if we are able and willing to reopen that). Firespitter Lhii (talk) 19:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Alright, I'm leaning towards that the following should be moved to singular:
Zamor Spheres, Power Swords, and Crystal Serpents.
City-Building Creatures ends up sounding like a single individual if moved to singular, therefor I would not move it.
Things like Rahaga Staffs or Bohrok Shields are as said, collectivised. Per Wikipedia's conventions: "Articles that actually distinguish among multiple distinct instances of related items can be sensibly given a plural title when the alternative would be to create an inappropriately large number of short articles, one on each instance." I think this exactly describes those pages.
Pages such as Chargers or Proto Pitons are referring to specific and unique pairs, thus they are plural. Compare to Electro-Blade, which is a class of object possessed by multiple characters. Shredder Claws should remain plural because even on their own they are still sets of three claws.
Flora page should be revised for consistent singular.
Great Disks is referring to group of very specific objects, the six Great Disks, thus the page title is of the collective. Meanwhile the Toa Disk page is for the class of object, which is always singular.
However, an argument could be made that Crystal Serpents should remain plural for the same reason as Great Disks. Is it refereing the Crystal Serpents or the species, Crystal Serpent? An in the reverse, things like Bohrok Shields or Staffs of Power could be singular. ~ Wolk (talk) 21:37, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Since Crystal Serpents refers to only four specific individuals to ever exist, I would lean towards keeping it a plural.--ToaKebaka (talk) 22:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
True. ~ Wolk (talk) 10:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I'll leave the Crystal Serpents be, but I'll make a redirect. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
What are our plans for all the rest of these? A handful have been given AfC pages(though since they are renaming, they should probably be on AfD, but I digress), but this is a site-wide issue, and so this isn't really viable. I personally kinda feel like a larger number of things should be plural, but I don't want to vote for like 3 or 4 alone, as that just is making the site less cohesive. Also, two additional suggestionx relating to including the word "The" are adding it to Dark Hunters and League of Six Kingdoms, as the fist just sounds like it is about some kind of species or "type" of people, and the second I think should change because they are always refered to as "The League of Six Kingdoms" (I didn't know where to fit this in). Anyways, what should we do with the problem(s) as a whole? Firespitter Lhii (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Renamings go on AfC, per the project page. Lo6K does not get a 'the', for the same reason wikipedia:United States doesn't. It also is not applies in the Encyclopedia Updated entry, thus 'the' is not part of the name. Same for Dark Hunters. The Drifts could possibly be moved to Drifts, as that's what BEU calls it. What other pages are there? ~ Wolk (talk) 19:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
I mentioned a ton above. The ones I think are most in need of a vote are Badge of Office, Bohrok Shields, Bohrok-Kal Shields, City-Building Creatures, Combat Staffs, Cordak Blaster, Crystal Serpents, Eccentric Rock, Electro Chute Blade, Electro-Blade, Elemental Blaster, Elemental Crystals, Energy Extraction Rifle, Energy Siphon Blade, Firestaff, Firework Revolver, and Freeze Bow, Furnace Salamander, Frost Beetle, Great Ussal Race, Huai Snowball Sling, Kanoka Launcher, Rahaga Staffs, Three Virtues, Toa Hagah Spears, Toa Tools, and Zamor Sphere Launcher. With most weapons that there are multiple of in existance that are likely or known to be not a part of a specific set (including G1 and G2, examples being Energy Extraction Rifle, Ice Spear and Freeze Bow), they are singular, but independent objects/categories of completely different items spread across the MU or Okoto such as Toa Tools, Bohrok Shields, Bohrok-Kal Shields (?), Hook Blades (Skull Scorpio), Razor Sharp Hook Blades, Spears, Rapid Shooters, and more are pluralized. There is a ton on things, and they should be consistent. Not only would it be a nightmare to make all of these there own proposal, but if we did, then some would pass and some wouldn't even if they were exactly the same, and they would also be changed all at different times. Things like Furnace Salamander and Frost Beetle are on here because the BEU lists both of them and talks about them both on the same page in the same, pluralized fashion, but one is listed as "Furnace Salamander" and the other is listed as "Frost Beetles". I don't mind if this voting is done on a single, overarching AfC proposal with several options for clearly-specified standards, and maybe we should also or possible just have Swert decide. We can only rely on the existing poicies and Wikipedia's standards so much before we have to make a decision, and there are lots of decisions to be made here. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 16:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
For most of these, they are already the correct form according to Wikipedia's standard. Razor Sharp Hook Blades (same case as the Electro-Blades if both Skull Slicer and Kulta carry them -- needs research), Elemental Crystals (though I think it could be argued it is referring to six different but similar kinds of objects), and either Toa Tools or Badge of Office, stand out to me as subject to change. ~ Wolk (talk) 17:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
There are few G2 cases that would need moving: Shadow Traps, Skull Spiders, Skull Scorpios. These should be treated consistently with the likes of Shadow Leech, Spider Crab, Bog Snake etc. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to rename Zamor Spheres to Zamor Sphere

This page name is inconsistently pluralized, where as other such objects (and even Zamors on the Objects list page) are not in plural. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for renaming Zamor Spheres to Zamor Sphere

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. --SurelNuva (Talk) 16:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. TuragaHordika (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Gonel (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. - Toa Jala Converse 17:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Votes against renaming Zamor Spheres

Comments on renaming Zamor Spheres to Zamor Sphere

Proposal to rename Power Swords to Power Sword

These weapons are not unique and are not paired by functionality. They are more in line with Electro-Blade and should not be pluralized. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for renaming Power Swords to Power Sword

  1. ~ Wolk (talk) 18:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. --SurelNuva (Talk) 16:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. TuragaHordika (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. --Gonel (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. - Toa Jala Converse 17:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Votes against renaming Power Swords

Comments on renaming Power Swords to Power Sword

Split "Bohrok Va Kaita" from "Bohrok Kaita"

Bohrok and Bohrok Va are not the same. They have the same function, and both listen to what the Bahrag say, but Bohrok are lifeless machines transformed from Av-Matoran, while Bohrok Va are sentient robotic(I honestly thought they were bio-mechanical, but I guess I'm wrong) helpers who are loyal to but not controlled by the Bahrag. Just because they having the same purpose, they shouldn't be equated. It would be like putting "Makuta Kaita" on the Toa Kaita page, because both are biomechanical beings made to maintain order in the Matoran Universe. There is pretty much no info on either page though, and one of the two known fusion models doesn't even have it's picture on the Bohrok Va page. I don't mind too much if they don't have their own page, as many fusions are relegated to their the pages of their constiuant component(s), but it really has no place on the Bohrok Kaita page. This is a little bit complicated, as this being on the page is apparently a deciding element to someones vote on the AFD proposal to merge Bohrok Kaita Ja and Bohrok Kaita Za with Bohrok Kaita, and may have even been done for that reason, so while I don't know how to deal with that, just keep it in mind. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for splitting into new page

  1. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Votes for moving/consolidating all content to the page "Bohrok Va"

Votes against Splitting

  1. The Bohrok Va Kaita never appeared in the story, so I don't think they require a separate page.TuragaHordika (talk) 15:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  2. Don't think it's necessary to split based on mechanical vs biomechanical--I see that page as being an affiliation page, and all three (Bohrok, Bohrok Va, and Bohrok-Kal) are affiliated with the Bohrok Swarms. That said, I'd be open to making "Bohrok Va Kaita Ja" and "Bohrok Va Kaita Za." --Gonel (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  3. Same as TuragaHordika, they never appeared in the story, they weren't even mentioned in a magazine as the main kaita. And yes, both for Bohrok and Bohrok Va Kaita the "Ja" and "Za" titles were most likely fan names based on the kals. They are not mentioned officially as "Ja" and "Za" anywhere at all.--SurelNuva (Talk) 18:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  4. ~ Wolk (talk) 19:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  5. - Toa Jala Converse 06:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Comments on Splitting

I think that it would probably also be warrented to create "Bohrok Va Kaita Ja" and "Bohrok Va Kaita Za" as well, supposing it is decided to keep Bohrok Kaita Ja and Bohrok Kaita Za(which I am in favor of), but since I don't want to create another option for something which would be just as unpopular, and since the vote to delete/merge them likely pass, I didn't include a special option for that. Firespitter Lhii (talk) 15:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

The problem with giving them their own pages is that they never appeared in the story, and as far as I know, the names "Ja" and "Za" that are attributed to them are simply fan names given to them based off the Bohrok-Kal Kaita. Also, the reason I think the Va Kaita should stay on the main Bohrok Kaita page is because they are are still a part of the swarm despite them not having the same origin as the Bohrok. I also think they should not have individual pages because we have similar pages where individual things that have made little to no appearances in the story are listed rather than given their own pages, such as Kanohi/Other Kanohi. TuragaHordika (talk) 16:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
There is effectively no info on the Bohrok Va Kaita except that they exist. I believe with both Bohrok and Bohrok Va Kaita, those are just example models of what could be formed from nameless, amassed entities, unlike Ja-Kal, Za-Kal, or the two Rahkshi ones, who are closer to being specific "characters", or at least specific instances formed from 3 specific individuals, much like Wairuha and Akamai. Even with the Kal one that wasn't formed, that's sorta like Akamai Nuva. And there could ofc be other Vorahk for instance, but this is the fusion of specifically the Vorahk we know and love and so on. ~ Wolk (talk) 19:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)