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:::: It would be logical, that a leader-class Skrall have a larger type of the STDB. And in the movie the sword isn't destroyed, so we don't even know the correct status of it... — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:57, 24 March 2017 (CET)
:::: It would be logical, that a leader-class Skrall have a larger type of the STDB. And in the movie the sword isn't destroyed, so we don't even know the correct status of it... — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:57, 24 March 2017 (CET)
== Generation 2 Characters List ==
So given our lists of various Gen1 and Gen2 elements, anyone think we should make one for the Gen2 characters?--[[User:Wiriamu|Wiriamu]] ([[User talk:Wiriamu|talk]]) 05:58, 14 November 2016 (CET)
===Yes===
#You mean like a G2 version of the [[Characters]] page? I'm down. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 17:41, 15 November 2016 (CET)
#In this case, why not? But it means that we have to rename the Characters page into "Character (Generation 1)"--'''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 18:03, 15 November 2016 (CET)
#-- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 08:30, 20 December 2016 (CET)
# -- {{StaffLink|Morris the Mata Nui Cow}} ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 03:20, 9 January 2017 (CET)
#<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
#--- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 22:12, 3 March 2017 (CET)
#--[[User:Collector1100|Collector1100]] ([[User talk:Collector1100|talk]]) 07:04, 6 March 2017 (CET)
===No===
===Comments===
[[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox#Characters (Generation 2)|Sandbox]]. -- [[User:Toa Jala|'''<font color="gold" style="background:red" face="Algerian" size="4">Toa Jala</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Toa Jala|<font color="red" face="Algerian">Converse</font>]]</sup> 08:30, 20 December 2016 (CET)
:If we make g1 and g2 tabs for the characters page, we need to make it so it doesn't cover up any page content. on pretty much every page that we have on here now with g1 and g2 tabs, they don't show up properly, and cover other content on the page, especially in the edit history/diffs view. [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 19:28, 6 March 2017 (CET)


== Addition of Fansite ==
== Addition of Fansite ==
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:Before we create the page we would need a [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox|Sandbox section]], to see how it'll look like, I think. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)
:Before we create the page we would need a [[BIONICLEsector01:Sandbox|Sandbox section]], to see how it'll look like, I think. -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)


==Temple of Creation (Okoto)==
== Rename [[The Final Battle Animation]] to The Rise of Mata Nui.  ==
The Temple of Creation houses the Great Forge, is the workplace of the Mask Makers, and is the scene of the defeat of Kulta. I daresay there's more information for it than a lot of G2 articles we currently do have, and, as has been previously noted, G2 can afford more pages.
 
Along with this, "Temple of Creation" would presumably become a disambiguation and the current Temple of Creation would be renamed "Temple of Creation (Po-Koro))" or something along those lines. --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 19:05, 7 January 2017 (CET)


===Yes===
Per Advance's official Youtube account, the video is called The Rise of Mata Nui [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLAKtT2HKk] as seen here. I suggest we change the name accordingly, since it's an official name from the guys that actually made the short film.
# --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 19:05, 7 January 2017 (CET)
# Why would you call it Temple of Creation (Okoto)?? It would be more simple to create a <nowiki>"{{G|1|Temple of Creation}} / [[Temple of Creation (Generation 1)]]" page (move the article of the original from Po-Wahi here), turn the "Temple of Creation" into a Disamig, and create a "{{G|2|Temple of Creation}} / [[Temple of Creation (Generation 2)]]</nowiki> page for the new one. - '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 19:30, 7 January 2017 (CET)
# I agree with surel, having a simple g1 and g2 page would be best instead of a disambig [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 16:56, 11 January 2017 (CET)
#G2 could always use more pages, and this was a crucial location - more crucial than the Temple of Time or Light, and we have those. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 03:54, 14 January 2017 (CET)
#<font color="PaleTurquoise" Style="background:Black">[[User:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Master Inika]]</font><small><sup>  ([[User talk:Master Inika|<font color="PaleTurquoise">Talk</font>]]) </sup></small></font> 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
#--- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 07:01, 6 March 2017 (CET)
#-- {{StaffLink|Dorek}} '''<sub>[[User talk:Dorek|<font color=DARKGREEN>Talk</font>]]</sub>''' <img>http://biosector01.com/images/LUG_Ambassador_LOGO_1_-_2014.png" width="100px</img>  19:56, 8 March 2017 (CET)


===No===
===Change the name to The Rise of Mata Nui===
#--- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 17:45, 13 April 2017 (CET)
#Seems pretty cut and dry to me. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 21:04, 13 April 2017 (CET)
# — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 21:14, 13 April 2017 (CET)
# '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 18:36, 14 April 2017 (CET)


===Leave the name as The Final Battle Animation===


===Comments===
===Comments===
Yeah, or that. I'm too used to other wiki policies XD --[[User:777stairs|777stairs]] ([[User talk:777stairs|talk]]) 20:06, 7 January 2017 (CET)
Thanks for not simply putting yes/no as the voting section titles haha. whoever nominated this should sign their name to the nomination, because that counts as a vote, and we don't want to be double counting. it needs 6 votes in addition to the nomination.
As for the actual issue at hand here, i'm inclined to agree with the nomination, but do we know why we originally called it the final battle animation? was it called that on bioncle.com, or is that simply something we made up?
On a more fun note - was that video seriously only produced in 320p??? jeez... [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:50, 17 April 2017 (CET)
:Oh right forgot to sign it when I made the nomination. Well I already voted so whatever. Also, remember that back in 2008 videos hardly were 1080p 4k Ultra-HD quality. They weren't the norm as they are now. I'm sure Ghost has a higher resolution and quality video when they made it but they'll probably never release it. --- '''[[User:Creep Of The Deep|<font color="blue">Creep</font>]]''' 03:29, 18 April 2017 (CET)
 
== Move all fan-created canon stories from "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]" to "[title]" ==


:We have G1-G2 pages for Toa, Hook Blades etc. We also have and use GenTabs in some cases for example for Ta-Wahi (which means Fire Region in G1) and the Region of Fire (the fire region of G2) or for Teridax and G2 Makuta. So it's more simple. :D -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">-</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 20:21, 7 January 2017 (CET)
The current title format for fan-written stories (such as [[Saga Guides/Decadence by Dorek]]) is a bit strange. They're grouped under Saga Guides, but they're not saga guides, they're short stories. Stories by Greg follow the "[title]" format, so why should it be different for fan-written canon stories? -- '''[[User:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|<font color="#f11f1f">Morris the Mata Nui Cow</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Morris the Mata Nui Cow|talk]]) 02:44, 4 May 2017 (CET)


::why don't we use gentabs on all the pages that have a (gen #) in their title? if there's a gen 1 version, that would imply an article has a gen 2 counterpart that could/should be linked[[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 17:02, 11 January 2017 (CET)
===Change names to "[title]"===
#I always thought this was strange. It makes it really unnecessarily complicated to link to them. I understand we want to make them distinct from the "official" short stories, but that information can go at the top of the page, not in the title. --[[User:Angel Bob|Angel Bob]] ([[User talk:Angel Bob|talk]]) 04:27, 4 May 2017 (CET)
# Good idea. — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 07:25, 4 May 2017 (CET)
# Might as well. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)


:We use the gentabs every cases when there's a gen1 - gen2 character/item/etc. I also added the gentabs for Mata Nui's 6 Wahi and the Okotan region, because their names literally are the same. {{C|"Ta-Wahi, literally, means Region of Fire" and the Okotan vulcanic region is called "Region of Fire."}} -- '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 16:47, 18 March 2017 (CET)
===Keep names as "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]"===


== Move [[The Shadowed One]] to [[Shadowed One]] ==
===Comments===
After rereading the books (that I have) and the serials, I noticed that the "the" from his name was never capitalized, so it is just an ordinary definite article, I mean it isn't strictly connected to his name. His codename is "Shadowed One," not "the Shadowed One." — '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 08:21, 28 March 2017 (CET)
Given that these are  fan created stories, i think we should still note the author - i.e. [title by author] instead of simply [title]. if we removed saga guide from their title, would we also have to remove them from the saga guides' navigation box? if so, where would we put them? i know i only found those stories back in the day through those saga guides links, so i don't think we should make them harder for readers to find.


=== Move ===
Another thing to consider, even though they're fan created, they're still official canon, right?


=== Not ===
Aaaand one last thing on a bit of a tangent, were the images at the top of those story pages arbitrarily chosen, or were they specifically created for those pages, or what? [[User:Intelligence4|Intelligence4]] ([[User talk:Intelligence4|talk]]) 06:25, 5 May 2017 (CET)


=== Comments ===
:1) We could add them to the online story navigation box, all the official serials and short stories are there. 2) They were written for contests in which the winning stories would become canon, so yes. 3) The banners were chosen from pre-existing images, but I'm pretty sure the original versions didn't have them. Does anyone know why they were added? '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)
What do you think? '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 08:21, 28 March 2017 (CET)
Also, I noticed that among the Saga Guides are Birth of a Dark Hunter and The Crossing, should we change their titles too? They could go in the guides nav because BoaDH was in the Encyclopedia and TC was in the Glatorian mini books. '''[[User:OnionShark|<font color="black">~</font><font color="castletongreen">OnionShark</font>]]''' 14:18, 6 May 2017 (CET)
:Actually, [[BIONICLE: Makuta's Guide to the Universe]] refers to him as "The Shadowed One", with the T capitalized. --[[User:The Aimless Wanderer1|The Aimless Wanderer1]] ([[User talk:The Aimless Wanderer1|talk]]) 10:20, 28 March 2017 (CET)
::As the first word in a sentence or in aother case? I don't have the Makuta Guide. '''[[User:Surel-nuva|<font color="DARKBLUE">Surel</font><font color="DARKRED">—</font><font color="GOLDENROD">Nuva</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Surel-nuva|<font color="#8A7F8D">''Talk''</font>]])</small>''' 10:53, 28 March 2017 (CET)

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BIONICLE Facebook Page

Page will be made.

This wiki should probably have some way of referencing the happenings of the Bionicle Facebook page, which often releases images and videos that are either exclusive or are not released on another source until later and hosts events such as contests. Bionicle websites have articles so it should seem logical that the facebook page should as well. Even if a page is not made, there should be some way of referencing events that unfold on the facebook page as well as images, videos, and other content. This could mean a nav template or a category of some form. Post your thoughts.

Someone wanna get cracking on a sandbox for this? --Angel Bob (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2016 (CET)
Would someone make a sandbox? -- SurelNuva (Talk) 13:06, 14 February 2017 (CET)

Tuma's Sword

So does anyone think Tuma's Sword could use its own article?--Wiriamu (talk) 06:23, 4 November 2016 (CET)

Yes

  1. Personally don't see why not, although we don't have too much info on it. --777stairs (talk) 05:58, 12 November 2016 (CET)
  2. Might as well. -- Toa Jala Converse 07:19, 12 December 2016 (CET)
  3. Master Inika (Talk) 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)
  4. ~OnionShark 14:40, 5 March 2017 (CET)
  5. --- Creep 04:20, 6 March 2017 (CET)

No

  1. I don't think it merits a page, it doesn't do anything, not even what the Vahki Staffs or the Longswords could do. -- SurelNuva (Talk) 21:09, 5 March 2017 (CET)
  2. Having a page for Mata Nui's sword is handy because it contains the history of the weapon and its functionality. A hypothetical Tuma's Sword page wouldn't say anything a reader can't infer from looking at it. --Angel Bob (talk) 05:56, 6 March 2017 (CET)
  3. I don't think this is necessary

Comments

I think Tuma's sword is just the leader class variation of the Skrall Tribal Design Blade, and the Star Skrall's sword is also a variant of the Skrall Tribal Design Blades. So why don't we reformat the Skrall Tribal Design Blades page because all the Swords/Blades of the Skrall are their Skrall Tribal Design tools. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 11:33, 4 November 2016 (CET)
I think STDBs refer to that weird alien pattern on the standard Skrall blades. Tuma's is something different.
Don't really think it merits a page, though. -- Dorek Talk External Image 19:11, 5 November 2016 (CET)
Literally, everything what we know about it:
A large blended black-and-lime sword carried by Tuma.
He used it to challenge Mata Nui.
It consist of 3 pieces.
Status: Destroyed (according to the book) / In use (according to the movie) (which one?).
Function: Melee combat.
User: Tuma (formerly?).
That is not enough. -- SurelNuva (Talk)
In the Legend Reborn book it was destroyed. "Summoning all his remaining strength, Mata Nui brought his blade down in a final sweeping blow, shattering Tuma's weapon to bits." I would put it on the STDBs page as Surel-nuva suggested. --WOLKsite (talk) 20:43, 24 March 2017 (CET)
It would be logical, that a leader-class Skrall have a larger type of the STDB. And in the movie the sword isn't destroyed, so we don't even know the correct status of it... — SurelNuva (Talk) 20:57, 24 March 2017 (CET)

Addition of Fansite

Given that we have BZPower on here, I feel it only right to put Mask of Destiny on as well, and perhaps even The Toa's Hideout. However, Mask of Destiny actually has a good reason, as it is actually the longest running BIONICLE fansite with a forum on the web.

--User:Baxor

Yes

  1. -- Intelligence4 (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2017 (CET) A thorough documentation of fansites isn't a bad idea IMO.
  2. Master Inika (Talk) 06:47, 1 February 2017 (CET)

No

Comments

Don't forget to sign your proposals, y'all. also, can we assume that, unless stated otherwise during the duration of the discussion, a proposal counts as a vote? meaning that if 6 people put their username under the yes section but one of them is the proposal writer, then there are in fact only 5 people who are voting yes. (avoiding the proposer's vote double counting.)Intelligence4 (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2017 (CET)

BioMedia Project

As it is a fairly extensive collection of Bionicle Generation 1 media, it seems like a page for BioMedia Project might be a worthwhile addition. To be honest, I'm not sure about some of their content, such as full scans of the various G1 comics-I'm not an expert but it seems like a copyright question-but what do y'all think?--Wiriamu (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2016 (CET)

Page will be made.

Comments

The only problem with copyright would be the scans of Glatorian Comics 3-7, as those were never published for free online. --OnionShark 21:19, 6 January 2017 (CET)

I'm pretty sure they were somewhere for free, considering I've read them and didn't have a comic subscription at the time they were published. I don't think it's an issue. Intelligence4 (talk) 03:06, 9 January 2017 (CET)
Maybe you read scans on brickshelf? Do you think you could find the place where you read them so we can be sure that no copyright issues will come up?
--OnionShark 23:05, 10 January 2017 (CET)
The scans could be found on BrickShelf some years ago (I don't know they're still there). I remember for I tried to translate the comic, but the scans were kind of awful ones, nearly unreadable, so I couldn't xd... By the way, they were on Brickshelf. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 23:14, 10 January 2017 (CET)
another point to make, we're not posting the content ourselves, but simply linking to another site that does, so i don't think it's an issue.
also, we have links to all the comics on here somewhere anyway, so... Intelligence4 (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Ok, I guess this technically wont get us into trouble. (BTW, GC3-7 are not linked )
--OnionShark 17:27, 11 January 2017 (CET)
Eh, the original saga's comics were not released on the BIONICLE.com, but we have links for them. And comics 3-5 were released 8 years ago, the last two were released 7 years ago, I don't think there would be copyright issue, if the BioMedia Project is still active. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:34, 11 January 2017 (CET)

No, the original comics were released for free on the website. So, the page got six votes for yes, it will be made, right? --OnionShark 17:40, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Before we create the page we would need a Sandbox section, to see how it'll look like, I think. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 17:43, 11 January 2017 (CET)

Rename The Final Battle Animation to The Rise of Mata Nui.

Per Advance's official Youtube account, the video is called The Rise of Mata Nui [1] as seen here. I suggest we change the name accordingly, since it's an official name from the guys that actually made the short film.

Change the name to The Rise of Mata Nui

  1. --- Creep 17:45, 13 April 2017 (CET)
  2. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. --Angel Bob (talk) 21:04, 13 April 2017 (CET)
  3. SurelNuva (Talk) 21:14, 13 April 2017 (CET)
  4. ~OnionShark 18:36, 14 April 2017 (CET)

Leave the name as The Final Battle Animation

Comments

Thanks for not simply putting yes/no as the voting section titles haha. whoever nominated this should sign their name to the nomination, because that counts as a vote, and we don't want to be double counting. it needs 6 votes in addition to the nomination. As for the actual issue at hand here, i'm inclined to agree with the nomination, but do we know why we originally called it the final battle animation? was it called that on bioncle.com, or is that simply something we made up? On a more fun note - was that video seriously only produced in 320p??? jeez... Intelligence4 (talk) 17:50, 17 April 2017 (CET)

Oh right forgot to sign it when I made the nomination. Well I already voted so whatever. Also, remember that back in 2008 videos hardly were 1080p 4k Ultra-HD quality. They weren't the norm as they are now. I'm sure Ghost has a higher resolution and quality video when they made it but they'll probably never release it. --- Creep 03:29, 18 April 2017 (CET)

Move all fan-created canon stories from "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]" to "[title]"

The current title format for fan-written stories (such as Saga Guides/Decadence by Dorek) is a bit strange. They're grouped under Saga Guides, but they're not saga guides, they're short stories. Stories by Greg follow the "[title]" format, so why should it be different for fan-written canon stories? -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 02:44, 4 May 2017 (CET)

Change names to "[title]"

  1. I always thought this was strange. It makes it really unnecessarily complicated to link to them. I understand we want to make them distinct from the "official" short stories, but that information can go at the top of the page, not in the title. --Angel Bob (talk) 04:27, 4 May 2017 (CET)
  2. Good idea. — SurelNuva (Talk) 07:25, 4 May 2017 (CET)
  3. Might as well. ~OnionShark 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)

Keep names as "Saga Guides/[title] by [author]"

Comments

Given that these are fan created stories, i think we should still note the author - i.e. [title by author] instead of simply [title]. if we removed saga guide from their title, would we also have to remove them from the saga guides' navigation box? if so, where would we put them? i know i only found those stories back in the day through those saga guides links, so i don't think we should make them harder for readers to find.

Another thing to consider, even though they're fan created, they're still official canon, right?

Aaaand one last thing on a bit of a tangent, were the images at the top of those story pages arbitrarily chosen, or were they specifically created for those pages, or what? Intelligence4 (talk) 06:25, 5 May 2017 (CET)

1) We could add them to the online story navigation box, all the official serials and short stories are there. 2) They were written for contests in which the winning stories would become canon, so yes. 3) The banners were chosen from pre-existing images, but I'm pretty sure the original versions didn't have them. Does anyone know why they were added? ~OnionShark 10:22, 6 May 2017 (CET)

Also, I noticed that among the Saga Guides are Birth of a Dark Hunter and The Crossing, should we change their titles too? They could go in the guides nav because BoaDH was in the Encyclopedia and TC was in the Glatorian mini books. ~OnionShark 14:18, 6 May 2017 (CET)