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Quest for the Mask of Life

So yesterday when I was cleaning Events pages, I noticed something. After the 7th Toa search, the Event system goes to die, linking then to the Staff of Artakha being used which isn't even a page. Then I realized something...where's the Quest for the Mask of Life page? Let's look at something here in Events. 01: Great War, 02: Bohrok Invasion, 03: The Rebuilding, Search for the Seventh Toa, 04: Great Cataclysm, 05: Great Rescue, 08: Mata Nui's Reawakening, 09: Skrall War, 10: Reformation of Spherus Magna. So we have Events for each, seems good, smiles all around...wait. Where's 2006 and 2007? Oh turns out that page doesn't exist, which is why I wrote up Quest for the Mask of Life. Now it would fill that void we have in our Events, tracing the Nuva, Piraka, Inika/Mahri, and Barraki as they go for the Ignika. Now I know what you're saying. "It's too much like a Saga Guide." Wrong as this is a lot-less indepth, not covering everything unrelated to the Quest itself. That and the Great War is like 01 Saga Guide, Bohrok Invasion like 02, and Skrall War like 09. No one questions those pages. Also, Saga Guides are from a fan perspective really, and Events are in-universe. Next, people are going to hate on it combining 06 and 07. Note however that Bohrok Invasion covers 02 AND 03, so take that. But they were really the same event, just continued. And hey, this is likely the biggest EVENT in Bionicle. It was a crazy frenzy rush to stop the Kingdom from happening. So, if this isn't a valid page and some (holds in AfD impulses) other things are...I don't know what to say. Lord Nektann 07:28, 13 January 2013 (PST)

UPDATE: StaffVote time. Staff put your sigs in each box

Staff Vote
Yes No
Honestly a lot of pages on BS01 are redundant with other pages; all of the info on the Blazer Claws page is on Vakama's page. Each page though has a different function, and users go to different pages for specific reasons. Unless someone comes up with a convincing argument against this, I honestly don't see why not.--Bionicleman 06:33, 1 February 2013 (PST) Mata Nui's Reawakening. I mean, I'm all for elaboration, but I'm also pretty picky about events in general (the Bohrok Invasion is stretching it). Much like how MNR used to be Teridax's Plan, a sprawling page just conveying a loose thread of information does not fill me with confidence. Event pages need to be precise; it's easy enough to say "the information is elsewhere", but this doesn't meet my own particular standard of what we do, when in fact the information is presented in other, more digestible formats. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 15:10, 1 February 2013 (PST)
We definitely need to fill in that gap. --KZN02, The Master of Tediousness (Talk|Contribs) 14:48, 1 February 2013 (PST)
2.5 1

REMINDER: Swert is worth two votes, Bionicleman is 1.5 votes, and the rest of the staff (Cholie, Dorek, KZN02) have one vote. Due to total being 6.5, it's rounded to 4 points needed for a pass or overturning.

Yes

  1. *Waits to see if he was right on 'no' arguments* Lord Nektann 07:28, 13 January 2013 (PST)
  2. Maxim21 07:53, 13 January 2013 (PST)
  3. ζω·τωμανα•Non-BS01 Image
  4. Looks fairly good to me. --Creepa Demon
  5. -Avlok (Talk)
  6. Yeah, looks good. I promise I will remember I will not forget 11:04, 20 January 2013 (PST)
  7. --DL 15:02, 25 January 2013 (PST)
  8. Look, I can still be a relevant editor to this Wiki!--'Tyler Durden 08:10, 31 January 2013 (PST)
  9. --~Toanicky 14:46, 31 January 2013 (PST)Sure. Im surprised that we didn't have this already.

No

  1. I was the one who nominated Skall War for creation, for the record. I remembered when this was turned down before. I stand by what I said then; This would cover the 2006-2008 years, which would be redundant with the saga guides (including our beloved Karda Nui Saga Guide). What separates Skrall War is that it does not cover the entire 2009 story. And for the record, the Reformation is not really about a full year. If you were using that type of logic, then you could say that Battle Against Vezon and Battle for the Kanohi Ignika were the events for 2006 and 2007. --Vartemp 12:44, 13 January 2013 (PST)
  2. I'll have to day no. If you look at Saga Guides, you'll find that none of the other categories (History of the Matoran Universe, Teridax's Reign, etc.) have their own pages. TOA JALA talk

Comments

Here are the link to the relevant Saga Guides, both of which are longer on their own than LN's page. It is an extended event, but it is an event, and an event page would bridge the jump he indicates. ζω·τωμανα•Non-BS01 Image

@Var. If you took the time to actually read my page, your entire argument would fall to shreds. First of all this is NOT 2006-2008. 2008 was not questing for the MoL, they were trying to reawaken Mata Nui. This is only two years. Second, this is not covering all of those years like your beloved Skrall War page isn't all of 09. It omits irrelevant information such as Resistance Team and co. Just focused on the questing. Basically if you read my arguments and page you'd see this differently. Finally, then Battle for Bara Magnate is our 2010 event if you want it that way. Point is, we're missing an event and we need it. Lord Nektann

I did read your page. The reason why I still don't like it is:
  1. The "quest" is debatable. The Toa Mahri's destiny was not to get the Ignika. Otherwise they would have become Turaga. The quest could also refer to Jovan's team's successful attempt to obtain and use it. Therefore, the name is not suitable.
  2. It's status as an event is also debatable. It took up two story years, while we don't have pages for say, the Toa Metru/ Hordika's quests of rescuing the Matoran of Metru Nui.

And yes, I was wrong about 2008. --Vartemp 16:43, 13 January 2013 (PST)

  1. First of all, how can you debate that its a quest? In BL 1, the Nuva went on a QUEST. The Inika went on a QUEST. They went on a journey with a purpose, to get the Ignika. If this isn't a quest I don't know what is.
  1. This is the most important event in Bionicle. An event is something of great importance that isn't a battle. This is exactly an event. Now we DO have a page for the Metru's Quest: Great Rescue. Only thing this is missing is a snazzy name like 'Great Resurrection'. Get out of your fan-oriented view of thinking story years are distinct. Looking at this from the Mahri's POV, this was one continuous event. They went through all this to get the Ignika, and the story years were two phases of the same event. This event was important, influential, and arguably the most important ever. There are no good reasons against this page I've heard yet.

Lord Nektann

What I meant when I mentioned the Toa Metru was that they got caught up in a "quest" after the Matoran were placed in spheres. Therefore,using your logic, it could be said that the 2004-2005 story could be said to be a quest.

@Great Rescue: The difference is, this was actually the Metru's destiny; Lhikan knew what was going to happen, so he created them to prevent Teridax from taking control of the Matoran of Metru Nui. --Vartemp 17:32, 13 January 2013 (PST)

Honestly I don't care what destiny has to do with anything. There are key differences between 2004 and 2005. In 04, the Metru had no idea what they were really doing. They were just derping around Metru Nui, but in 2005 they had a set purpose. The Mahri DID complete their destiny, you don't magically turn into Turaga right away. The Nuva aren't Turaga either. Turagahood happens when you complete your destiny AND give up your Toa Power. Metru did this when they opened the Matoran Spheres. So your destiny argument doesn't work either as the Mahri DID complete their destiny. Lord Nektann

Keep it nice, kids. Just because we don't have the calm-headed warning doesn't mean it's no longer applicable. -- I AM THE DOREK do not truffle with me 19:27, 13 January 2013 (PST)
Just because it's intense doesn't mean we're actually angry at each other. At least I'm not. Debating is fun and this has been a good one so far. Lord Nektann
Now that you mention it, we should get that thing back. Too bad I forgot how to code, I remember it was a simple thingy but now it just seems like arab math.
Feels good being a waste of space. :L
everyone can keep discussing I'll just switch back to my usual dead-ness :c--DL 01:24, 14 January 2013 (PST)

Tomana's right. Both Saga Guides on their own are -horrendously- long, far too long to get a simple summary of events from that year. @Var: To a certain extent, the Toa Inika/Mahri's mission -was- to retrieve the Mask of Life. It could be argued that their overall mission was to get the Ignika and assist Matoro in his destiny, to awaken Mata Nui. -Avlok (Talk)

Yeah, I think the other 5 Mahri's destiny was to help Matoro. Also the Saga Guides are very in-depth and this page is not meant for that. Lord Nektann
I thought the 5 Mahri's destiny was to recover the Mask of Life and Matoro's was to use it? --Creepa Demon
Sure. Just there's was all save him, Matoro to actually physically do it. Lord Nektann

Category:Revived Characters

So we have a deceased characters category. That's all good and fun. But now that the whole Red Star deal is old news, should we make a seperate "Revived Characters" category? We could still leave the died-and-revived characters in the Deceased page. Obviously we would not include in this category characters such as SM inhabitants, Carapar, Matoro, Ancient, and all of the Makuta minus Miserix. LockmanCapulet 18:56, 3 March 2013 (PST)

Yes

  1. Sure. {{SUBST:User:Proto/Sandbox}} 05:47, 10 March 2013 (PDT)
  2. Perhaps consider making it a subcategory? Either way, I'm in. TOA JALA talk

No

  1. No. I mean, really, wouldn't it just be a good majority of the deceased characters in a new category, even though we've never actually seen them revived?--'Tyler Durden 09:33, 14 April 2013 (PDT)
  2. We haven't seen many revived characters. Plus, when talking about someone who has been revived, you don't say a person "is revived." You say they "got revived" and "are alive." The reviving action of the Red Star simply takes a character out of the deceased category, imo. ζω·τωμανα•Non-BS01 Image
  3. Hate to say it, but there's no point for it. I'd have to agree, yeah. Not Deceased = Alive. Otherwise you're going to make a mountain out of a molehill. -avlok

Comments

I have to ask...would Jaller and Mata Nui count as "revived?" I mean, they were dead at one point and got better, although not via the Red Star. I'm not saying we should change their statuses to "Revived," but should they be included in this category? TOA JALA talk 20:55, 26 March 2013 (PDT)

I figure not, as this category would be for Red Star revives only. On Jaller's and Mata Nui's pages, their status does not say "revived", while folks like Botar, Lhikan, Naho, Kodan, etc. are labeled as "revived". LockmanCapulet 05:35, 27 March 2013 (PDT)

Ty (can I call you Ty?) has a point. That's why I proposed making it a subcategory rather than its own category. Just a suggestion. As I said, either way, I'm for it. TOA JALA talk 21:14, 18 April 2013 (PDT)
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