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Contents 1 New Users 2 Two usergroups at once? 3 Template:MilitaryNav 4 Engineer 5 Nuva Section to Gallery:Hau 6 spelling mistake 7 Kanohi Bearers 8 Location Categories 9 Category:Real People 10 Location Idea 11 Makuta 12 Sprite question. 13 MNOLG II Matoran Names 14 Gallery: comics 15 FS Change 16 Sig problem 17 Brickshelf/Majhost Linking 18 Life Processes 19 >_> 20 TYQ toa 21 Members page? That can be possible 22 Sprite Kit 23 AfD/AfC 24 Tool pages 25 Out of date Matoran Nav 26 Links on subsections 27 Kanohi 28 kanohi image policy 29 AfC/AfD History page 30 Category:Objects on Kanohi pages 31 AfC 32 Template:In Use 33 IgnikaMaster 34 AFC limitation 35 AFD staff vote? 36 Idea 37 Kanohi Redirects 38 Takua/Takanuva 39 Appearance Idea 40 AfD 41 FS 42 AfC/AfD Voting 43 AfC/AfD

New Users

Excuse me sirs.Or sirettes if you are feminine. Could you possibly make a new user section for bs01 so that once they have made one edit more expirienced users can help them out. It took me weeks to find out how to do every thing i know how to now so i dont want other people to feel unliked or uncared for. pleeeease,sirs/sirettes.

The Welcome template contains all of the links you probably needed. So we actually already have a system like that set up. --~|RC|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 20:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Two usergroups at once?

I just wondered this, well you know users and auto confirmed users. well i'm in both of those groups at once how is that possible?(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Project x mark 1)

Most wikis give normal users more than one group. The wiki software automatically implements the "Autoconfirmed Users" group, and some wikis are set to also automatically input another usergroup, like how BS01 automatically implements "User." At least, that's how I think it works. Shadow Kurahk~Talk^Contribs_{UP Designs} 17:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:MilitaryNav

Please don't kill me, but I liked it better the way it was before. I mean , for example what does the Gukko Force have to do with, say, Jaller? If a character is or was a member of some Military organization, shouldn't it just show you all the members from that group? Why do we need all the other military groups on there?--Toa Jala has spoken... 20:24, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Jala. PhantokaX

Engineer

This is my idea. I think that the engineer page should be changed to "Inventor" and rewritten. The term "engineer" was only used in the Bohrok Animations (maybe MNOLG II or VNOLG, unsure there) and there are inventors who are not on the engineer list, even though the description of an engineer is to "invent things". Shouldn't that be on an invetor page? Here is my sandbox of the Inventor page User:Zerothemaster/Sandbox.--Zerothemaster^{(Quick-Speak | Contribs)}

I agree with this idea. - TN05

Same here. PhantokaX

Nuva Section to Gallery:Hau

What do you guys think about adding a Nuva section to the Gallery:Hau? There would be all of the pictures of the regular non-Nuva mask, and then below it would be a section for the Nuva mask in all of its forms. What do you guys think of this? -- ^Talk 01:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Good idea, but I think we should take it further; the Hau gallery is unorganized, and its fantastic images deserve to be grouped better. PhantokaX

spelling mistake

couldn't help noticing but there is a spelling mistake on the basic wiki coding page (i would have corrected it if it wasn't activate akaku instead of the carve button) the h is missing from one of the when's. (The preceding unsigned comment was made by Project x mark 1)

Kanohi Bearers

On the Kanohi pages, it says "Bearers." However, with the exception of the Ignika, Vahi, Olmak, etc., there must be more then just the ones we know about, so how about we change it to "Known Bearers?" Anyone else like this idea? ToaVezon

Nah, we're already mixed up with "Known" being on some pages, but not on others. My idea is to just stick to either having it or not, and I would vote to not have it. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 22:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't really like it, no. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

Location Categories

I want to do something big. And it needs to be done soon, for... reasons.

Seeing how well all of the elemental categories were transitioned to new names in this past day, I felt now would be the most opportune time to attempt this again.

The process involved with changing these categories also added some other things that quite irked me and pushed this further.

What do you think of when you read Category:Spherus Magna?

Why, Spherus Magna is a place... It itself is part of Category:Locations... So they must be places on Spherus Magna!

You're right.

And oh so very, very wrong.

With virtually ever character now living on Spherus Magna, it has an absolute absurd number of nrelated articles listed under it. That's right, we list every single character that's ever been to a place in its category, should one exist. Even things as mundane as objects are listed under them.

But, Spherus Magna is a location. That is what it is. Nothing else should naturally fall under it than locations. And it's not alone, of course. All locations suffer in this way, leading to very convoluted methods of categorization and strange links between characters that are not truly present.

I push, now and for the last time ever, for the immediate rehaul of all lcoation categories such that only locations are filed underneath them. The members have just proven themselves capable of completing such an endeavor, so that should no longer prevent this from happening. --~|RC|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 01:59, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I would agree with this, but the buck doesn't stop at Location articles. If we were to go ahead with this, categories like Category:Toa Inika do not belong on their respective Tool articles because the Tools are not Toa Inika. And so on and so forth.

It makes perfect logical sense to me to include those as well, Triggy. Locations was just the most blatant affront to me, so became the specific recipient of my ire. --~|RC|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 02:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Alright, well, I'm behind you on this mission. We just need to sysmetically and thoroughly lay this out and then forward it to Maintenance.

To avoid the chaos the sudden, rapid change caused by today's revisions, I would recommend assigning specific categories to be removed on specific days, to be overall completed over the course of several days. This would aleviate server stress while maintaining order. --~|RC|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 02:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

What I'll try and do first is see which Categories can be removed by simply deleting them from Info and Nav templates coding. Then I'll put together a schedule after that.

Well okay, nevermind to my idea haha. Now we just have to work on the character ones being on tools and whatnot, I do believe. --~|RC|~ ^(Talk/_Contribs) 02:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

You shall not be butchered today either, ET. *puts away knife again* KANOHIJOURNAL ^{(Bioran · Talk)}

Category:Real People

As I was scanning through random redirects, I noticed that some redirects that were on Professional Contributors of BIONICLE had Category:Real People on them. Does anyone else think that these should be removed? -Vartemp ^{(Talk · Contribs)}

Seeing as I hate categorized redirects, I support it. :P Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

Maybe we should get rid of all categorized redirects. -Vartemp ^{(Talk · Contribs)}

Good idea. :) Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

You will not. Whether you like them there or not doesn't matter, because they are still to be categorized. BS01 Vandal Cleanup ^talk

It was just an idea; we never said we will. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

May I ask why? -Vartemp ^{(Talk · Contribs)}

I would like to also ask the question; if they are redirecting to something, would it not be more appropriate to categorize the page it redirects to than the redirect itself? Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

bioran says::

• why are we categorizing redirects anyway?

dorek says:

• idunnolol

dorek says:

• just for the real people, right?

dorek says:

• I can get that

dorek says:

• the redirect is their actual name

dorek says:

• so

dorek says:

• if you're looking through a category page

dorek says:

• you would see their actual name

Names changed to protect the guilty. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 01:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Location Idea

I proposed this awhile back, but nothing came of it. Anyways, I think it would be great if on each location page we helped users figure out where the location is based on an image, similar to a map where the specific location is darkened. An example is here. For regions and islands, I'm thinking we would darken the area, and for a specific location, we would do the following:

All of these images would be edited versions of official images, none will be entirely fan created. The image would likely be placed on the template, but obviously I'm open to other possibilities.-- ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 23:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This was something I had been working on a while back as well, based on the same thing you linked to. In the end, I decided to drop it because I just couldn't find a suitable location on each page, and the coding I used at that time required all sorts of positioning tweaks which becomes messed up when the image is resized etc. KANOHIJOURNAL ^{(Bioran · Talk)}

I'd support it, sure. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

I'd support it as well, but we should have someone edit the image (i.e. put the little yellow circle where it goes) and then upload it to BS01. PhantokaX

Yeah, I think with some form of image editor we could do that.

Project X Mark 1

Makuta

This is kind of a big ordeal, hence why it's going on the MOH rather than the Makuta talk.

So.

Makuta. Yes, it's a species name, and has been so involved with them that it has evolved into a title as well, hence not only the article title, but also the reason we list it before their names in Quotes. You know what else is a title as well as a species name?

Toa.

Yes, that's right. Toa. All the hallmarks of the Makuta being a species and a title also resides within the name of "Toa", and even more so in Makuta. Makuta is actually a species; one does not stop being a Makuta upon defecting (see: Spiriah) unlike a Toa. Now, we technically don't really make a distinction in Toa, as we have yet to see a present in-story example that has a member of the species that has defected, but not joined an organization. Regardless, the issue is the same.

What would I like to do about this? Simple, but drastic, involving lots of work and a generally massive altering of what is currently a wiki staple, which in and of itself most likely means people are going to go "wth yous a crazy person heck no go away get off our site". I would like to change the Makuta page to the simple, but effective, Makuta. The Makuta page would lose no particular information, as the youmay template covers what it has to say anyway (on both pages). It makes searching just that much easier, and is friendlier overall to look for. Obviously, it would be a massive undertaking, but we did it when we got rid of the Great Spirit page, and I think we can pull it off here.

Questions, comments, concerns, angry mobs with pitchforks? --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 04:53, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I support the idea. =) --Twilight Avenger ^talk | _awards 05:03, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Me too. I've always thought the Makuta page name never made tons of sense but never felt like making a big deal about it.-- ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 15:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I <3 you now, Dorek. :3 Obitor 20:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Great idea, this make perfect sense, an considering we just renamed the elements categories and removed all location templates from non-location pages, I don't see this as being such a horrible thing to clean up. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

Definitely do this. The longer name is really just a leftover from back when we did not know Teridax's name. However, there's one small issue: Teridax is still commonly referred to as Makuta, even in 2010. So should we make a Makuta (character) page, or just put a youmay template on the page and link it to Teridax (which I believe we already have on there)? ~Cholie w/ generic sig ^(Talk) 02:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Sprite question.

how do you put sprites on your U.P.?

Project X Mark 1

Do you have the sprites already made?----

yes, but in wondering how you get on 'em your U.P. AFTER you got 'em made.

Project X Mark 1

Do you have a brickshelf account? You know, like an image hosting account you've got?

If so, then say like this, ----

no I don't have a brickshelf account.

Project X Mark 1

Alright, so first you'd make an account on Brickshelf. Then, upload the image to a folder (should be in the avatars category), then go into that folder, click on the image, and click it again. You should now have the image in the upper right hand corner of a white screen. Copy the URL (the thing at the top that starts with "http://") and go to your userpage here. Then put the image's URL in between an <img> and an </img>. Save it and there should be a picture of the sprite on your page. --ShadonX

Er... don't you mean top LEFT-hand corner? PhantokaX

No, I mean right. I'm simply wrong, is all. (Pardon the pun.) --ShadonX

MNOLG II Matoran Names

This has been irritating me for a while, but I feel we should make some note on each MNOLG II Matoran page stating their name is non-canon, something Greg has repeatedly confirmed. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

I dunno. I thought that some Matoran names from MNOLG II were non-canon, and for those we don't have pages. -Vartemp ^{(Talk · Contribs)}

Every named Matoran in MNOLG II has got a BS01 page. ----(~((NtM))-{(Talk)))-((Contributions))~) 19:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I actually agree with this argument to an extent. I'd personally support the use of a nickname template along with a trivia note explaining why the name isn't considered canon (the fact that the names were taken from real-world languages for the MNOGII and were not approved by the story team). It seems essential that both be present so people understand that these aren't just arbitrary names we applied to them, but unofficial names from official media.--|Talk|Contributions 12:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

But I think some names are canon. The ones that appeared in the Toa Metru Promo disks are, aren't they? TheSkeletonMan939Joker of the Wiki-Nui||Talk

Apparently, no, they're not. :\ And I guess we should have the note on each page, because there really isn't any other page the notice could go on. ~Cholie w/ generic sig ^(Talk) 17:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Gallery: comics

i have a bone to pick (kinda). when i nominated gallery:comics, i did not intend it to be what it is now. the original intent was something akin to my sandbox User:Thoron/Sandbox. i acknowledge this would be a huge undertaking, but it looks really good. any opinions? --Thoron-Talk if you want, or, if you don't want 21:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

To be quite honest, I find the current state better. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

The nature of your gallery is far too arbitrary; we'd just be lumping every single comic image in existance in there, which doesn't really serve a purpose at all. The way we have it now works a lot better. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 21:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

"The nature of your gallery is far too arbitrary; we'd just be lumping every single comic image in existance in there, which doesn't really serve a purpose at all."

-first, you misspelled existence. -second, isn't that what a gallery IS? i could apply your arguments to every galley on the wiki! --Thoron-Talk if you want, or, if you don't want 21:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Chill out. He answered your question calmly, the least you could respond in the same way. Besides, he's right. What you did was just lump all the comic images we have into one giant page, which really would just be a waste of space. I reviewed both, and I like our current system better.----

FS Change

I liked it better the other way.--Toa Jala has spoken... 21:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I did too. The staff discussed it, and decided that these changes were for the better.- Vartemp ^{(Talk · Contribs)}

*sigh* okay...but can we keep the MS? I really don't think it's fair to those of us who haven't been chosen yet.--Toa Jala has spoken... 21:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Sig problem

I was just testing new sigs and when i clicked 'show preview' it came up with my current sig

Project X Mark 1

What did the new sig look like?----

The same as my original

Project X Mark 1

What was it supposed to look like?Toa Jala ^Talk

It was supposed to have the same colour scheme and the text read on my three different sigs:

Pro.x.m.1

Pro. x mark 1

And Project x m. 1

those were what the sigs were supposed to look like (Note: those are NOT the actual sigs there isn't a single tag on them it's just text)

Project X Mark 1

Brickshelf/Majhost Linking

This has been bugging me for a while. Under the "External Links" section of a character page, whose appearance was fan-made from a contest, we link to the winner's brickshelf/majhost gallery of the winning MoC, which I personally think is a little weird, since it seems the purpose of the link is to try to get a better view/building instructions of the MoC, so someone can build it themselves, and we are a storyline wiki. I propose we remove all those links. Anyone else think so? =/--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Nah. It's the equivalent of a gallery; viewing the model from alternate viewpoints. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 19:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Life Processes

This went unanswered on Main Page talk, so I'm putting it here: I have been updating the pages of various sapient species (i.e. Glatorian, Skrall, etc.) with facts from BZPower's Official BIONICLE Life Processes Topic. However, they are subsequently reverted. I assure you this information is legitimate. Hopefully I'm not being too n00bish or something. --PhantokaX 14:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Lets take a look at the edit to the Glatorian page. First off, we're not going to note that they weren't created by the Great Beings. As has been decided eons ago, we don't mention things that didn't happen, because lists of those could go on and on and on and on. If it doesn't say they were made the GB's, then they weren't. Basic logic.

To the second bit; basically, all of that falls under the category of "organic". BZP may have a slightly more mature audiance (hah) but I think it's a little awkward to note the exact abilities that being organic entails, namely going to the bathroom and mating. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 17:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I kind of agree with you on that. Alright, I give up... --PhantokaX 14:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

>_>

Talk:Mask of Emulation just waiting for an answer... and i remember hearing bumping pages was spam, so..... --Thoron-Talk if you want, or, if you don't want 06:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

TYQ toa

just wondering, why can't we make 'em pages yet? --Thoron-Talk if you want, or, if you don't want 01:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm remembering this thing... where we have a process about creating new pages... the name escapes me, but it has to exist.

Also, this serial came out all of an hour and a half ago, it's a little early to be worrying about that now. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 01:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

o_O so we have to nominate major characters? *shakes head* k, w/e you're in charge here. --Thoron-Talk if you want, or, if you don't want 01:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Ummm, TYQ? O_o--Toa Jala has spoken... 01:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The Yesterday Quest. speaking of which, we need a redirect.... --Thoron-Talk if you want, or, if you don't want 01:41, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The AfC bit was sarcasm. Like I said, we'll get to it. Patience is a virtue, and if I'm the one being patient, you know something is worth waiting for. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 01:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Members page? That can be possible

I think there should be a members page displaying all the members--EZPAX 21:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

here.Zerothemaster 21:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Sprite Kit

How do you get them!

Project X Mark 1

Most of the time people get them from BZPower's Shops and Kits forum. But if there's a specific one you're looking for and having trouble finding, you might want to ask someone who you know uses that kit to link to where they got it from.--|Talk|Contributions 12:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Not Where, HOW!?!?!?!?! (yes what you just heard was done with the help of an emotion simulator)

Project X Mark 1

You can make them or ask someone to do them.^{(Contributions/Sandbox/Talk)}

sigh, somtimes i think im going round and round in mobius strips, I meant, how do you get sprite kits?! (done yet again with an emotion simulator)

Project X Mark 1 Most of the spritekit topic on BZP have a link in the first post to the image file of the spritekit in question. Download the image file the same way you would download any image from the internet (on a PC, right click and select "Save As"). The spritekit is then editable in any image editor (I personally have always used plain old Microsoft Paint for spriting, even though it's been forever since I've done any spriting at all). I hope that answers your question; it was a bit hard to understand.--|Talk|Contributions 21:51, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD/AfC

This has been bugging me for a while now, but I think it might be a good idea to require votes in the AfD or AfC to contain a valid reason, similar to the policy on voting for the Featured Chronicle. Deletion/Creation of pages is a very serious issue, and I feel it is not too much to ask someone to give a quick reasoning as to why they are voting the way they are voting. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

I like this idea. That way people wouldn't just be like "I like it". Good idea. -- ^Talk 16:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree too, often (looking at you Sesimic Spear) the Delete argument is very well organized and has several things to back it up. Then on the Keep side, there are either no arguments. or just flimsy things like 'Why, why, why?' or 'i like it'. Those can't be valid reasons that something should stay. Lord Nektann

There'd probably have to be a staff to determine the validity of votes (like for FC). I'm sure you guys, or even I myself, would be willing to do it. -- ^Talk 16:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd be willing as well. Glad to see such positive reception. :) Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

I am for this too, do we need a good reason to approve this thing :p

I'll help with the 'staff' to get to work on removing invalid or no reason votes on the AfD/AfC. If they give no reason, they should be asked to give one not removed because they might actually have a really good reason they aren't sharing with us. Lord Nektann

I'm for it as well. However, I must question your definition of "valid." Does "I think it's useful" count?--Toa Jala has spoken... 16:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it'd be 'I think its useful because _____'. You're right, there is a grey area. Lord Nektann

Regardless of what we think, it would be up to the staff to decide how to enforce or the criteria for a 'valid' vote, but IMO a vote like 'I think it's useful' might be OK. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

Just nothing vague and stupid like "It's a weapons page" or "SPLOOM IT!!!" :P -- ^Talk 17:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Count me in, then.--Toa Jala has spoken... 17:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

What if someone just doesn't have any reason, simply puts their vote there. IMO, that's fine.--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Never never ever. It's obnoxious enough on the FC, and that's where the stakes don't actually count. People have the right not to give their vote a reason. The AfC is to give people a voice, but if you force them to "find" a valid reason, people who don't necessarily have one are going to A. Not vote at all, B. Force themselves to come up with an original reason that doesn't make any sense, or C. Best case scenario, put "I agree with soandso", which we would end up with tons of, rendering it somewhat pointless.

As one who votes from the gut, I don't always have a reason, and I'm not going to be expected to, whether you guys like it or not.

Plus, as an editor who is simultaneously extremely active and inactive, the task of removing "invalid" votes is a pain in my side that I'm not willing to deal with. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 17:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with Dorek. If it's like that, we'll need an AfC/AfD staff, which is completely unnecessary.--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

I actually agree with Dorek now. However, I think we need to somehow encourage people to vote for or against something with some purpose other than personal bias.

Nevertheless, I do find "SPOOM IT!" to be rather annoying.

--Toa Jala has spoken... 19:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Tool pages

As I'm sure everyone knows, there has been quite some controversy over the relevance of tools and weapons that get their own pages. It's getting pretty confusing too, with some tools getting pages and others of equal relevance not getting turned down in the AfC. I believe the community really needs to reconsider the way we organize these pages, so I'm going to open discussion about the subject here.

I personally believe that most tools information should be included on their user's page. Often, these tools do not even appear without their owner, so what more can we say about them than what the user does with it? Well, not much at all, and I think that's becoming apparent with some weapons' descriptions showing attacking as their only purpose (which is often true, but it's not something someone should go to a separate page to read about). Of course, if a weapon is commonly used by multiple users (Skrall Tribal Design Blade, Cordak Blaster, etc.), then they should get their own pages.

Well, that's my opinion. I want to see what everyone else thinks about the matter. ~Cholie w/ generic sig ^(Talk) 17:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I personally think a good policy would be any tool with an image/set information gets a page, and tools without images must have a name, be given an explicit appearance (not a mere mention), as well as an example usage. Most tool pages would be retained, but some particularly bad ones would be removed (I'm talking to you, Seismic Spear). Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

I agree with TN05, and to add to that, it should at least have a usage. (eg. Sub-Zero Spear)--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

TN05 already said that it should have a usage. And I agree. If it doesn't have an image or set, it should at least have an example usage. -- ^Talk 18:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

What exists exists, and anything else should go through the AfD/AfC. That's my opinion. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 18:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

@TN05: For your suggested policy to work, keep in mind that the tool would also need a name. There are plenty of tools that might have an image and set information, but no name. I personally agree with Dorek that the current policies are doing OK as-is-- yes, inconsistency in what gets a page causes some controversy in the AfC/AfD, but in the meantime there are no edit wars on the pages in question, nor any other actions that would harm the wiki. We can just put up with the controversy until it simmers down and settles on something we can agree on.--|Talk|Contributions 13:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant that as well. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

The thing is, people continue to nominate seismic spear, because it has no example usage, no set info, or image. Those people are mostly new members who haven't witnessed the stress it created in the AfD. The staff just need to dismiss it if it is ever AfD'd by one of those new members.--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

So how about this. Tool pages without example usage shouldn't be allowed, even if they have images, are sets, or were mentioned in the story. Without an example usage, all of the info besides set info can fit in the Mask and Tools section on the user's page. This may get rid of alot of pages, but they're unecessary anyways so it's not really a loss. How does that sound? -- ^Talk 18:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to disagree there. Seismic spear has some history, and The Xian weapons don't have an example usage all of those I'd keep.«-Vartemp-»

Seismic Spear's short history can be covered in the Mask and Tools section of Boomonga's page. However that is a good poiint about the Xian Weapons. Perhaps they can be an exception. -- ^Talk 18:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The EM contest Xian weapons will probably keep their pages regardless of any decision agreed on. They have lots of information given to us in the contest, plus their pages were a part of the contest prize, IIRC.

Also, I like the idea of some tools with images getting their own page, as putting the tool picture on the character page could clutter it. But as Aanchir mentioned, if we allowed every tool with an image to have a page, then we'd be even worse off with relevance. I imagine, however, that most characters wouldn't need a tool image on their page, as we have plenty of images of them holding the tool in question. ~Cholie w/ generic sig ^(Talk) 17:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Therefore, the Shadow Spear should be kept. @Cholie, do you support the deletion of Seismic Spear? «-Vartemp-»

@Cholie: I think most Tool pages with images appear in images of the user holding the tool (sorry if tht was confusing), so I don't think that'd be a problem. I also think tool pages that say nothing more than "is used to channel user's energy" (e.g. Shadow Spear) don't need to be kept and aren't relevant enough to have their own pages. However pages like Magnetic Bolt Launcher elaborate more on the function of the tool. -- ^Talk 18:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Still saying it. I'd keep Shadow Spear. I'm a little torn with the Seismic Spear though, but I'm leaning toward keep. «-Vartemp-»

I plan on being undecided on whether or not Seismic Spear is kept until we come up with a better guideline. And yes, Magnetic Bolt launcher is more elaborate, but in essence, it's not much different from saying "used to channel power". Plus the name "Magnetic Bolt Launcher" is kinda self-explanatory. :P ~Cholie w/ generic sig ^(Talk) 19:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to agree there. The MBL is pretty much equivalent to the Tri-Claw, which I would be completely against, because it would be 1 line long. «-Vartemp-»

I'm just saying, there's no need to have pages that just say "is used to channel user's energy". And Tri-Claw I don't think would be relevant enough simply because it's fan-created. -- ^Talk 19:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the relevance policy does need a change, since it still causes so much stress. The Seismic Spear seems to be the main part of it. Some people argue that it is too stub-like to be kept, and can fit in Toa Tools, while others say it being named, and had an appearance is enough to keep. it. I personally, am torn, but I say keep until we decide on the relevance policy. «-Vartemp-»

Sooo...is any change gonna be made? Is anything gonna be done? Or are we just gonna say "Yes, there needs to be a change," and then not do anything? -- ^Talk 21:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it's going to be the latter :\ -- ^Talk 14:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, the staff should be thinking about it.--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

I certainly hope so. -- ^Talk 15:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Out of date Matoran Nav

Do you think we should update our shadow matoran pages because the official matoran prefix for shadow is kra- so shouldn't we update you matorna nav to say "Kra- Matoran" instead of "Shadow matoran".

Project x mark 1

Makes sense to me.--Makuta Jala ^{Talk Creations} 12:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

However, the Shadow Matoran don't see themselves as a tribe. They are not a group, just corrupted Matoran, so they don't use a prefix.^{(Contributions/Sandbox/Talk)}

Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.--Toa Jala ^{Talk Creations} 13:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Links on subsections

I don't like links on subsections. They're ugly, and really actually kinda useless. What do you guys think about them? --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 01:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I used to have no problem with them, but now that I think more about it, they seem ugly. «-Vartemp-»

Kanohi

I'm bringing it up here, because it seems more appropriate. Does anyone think Kanohi should be reformatted into a parent page, because of the creation of Kanohi/Other Kanohi? I'm personally unsure, because if the Kanohi page was to be reformatted into a parent page, we would lose the Object template there, which I think isn't such a good idea, yet it makes sense to make it into a parent page, because it has a sub page now, and it is a very important object in the story. Post ant thoughts here. Vartemp

We sorta need it to be. Currently, Kanohi/Other Kanohi is pretty hard to find. If we don't make it a parent page, we need to format back to Other Kanohi. Lord Nektann

I wouldn't say it's absolutely necessary to make it one (nor was that my intention by making Other Kanohi a subpage) but it is possible to have it that way. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 21:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I personally don't think Kanohi makes sense as a parent page-- I agree treating them as objects seems most appropriate-- but bear in mind that the Wiki could survive if we did make that change. After all, Kanohi was a parent page for quite a while, if memory serves.--|Talk|Contributions 21:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I have thought it over, and decided that it shouldn't be one, because I don't really like the idea of losing the object template, and that Kanohi are objects. Vartemp

I agree with Vartemp, personally.Toa Jala ^Talk 16:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

kanohi image policy

before you say anything, i've looked into this. and now, as the image policy stands, it says that "As for Kanohi pages, set images are the top priority and should be the only ones used on the main templates. "

this makes no sense. at all. why do we do this? i once asked. the answer was "conformity on the kanohi page"

now, i am aware that this not-answering-my-question was probably due to me mis-asking the question. but i've asked several times and never gotten a straight answer.

there are more than enough good-quality comic images of kanohi to go on the kanohi pages themselves. simple fact. i started scanning images of the kanohi in, but,. as i'm out-of-state for the summer, i've lost access to my comics.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=403021 that's just a small sample of the wonderful comic images of kanohi we could amass. they look great, a lot better than the boring cropped setpics on a lot of these pages. it would also bring more unity to the wiki's pages overall, and spur more activity.

i am NOT advocating changing the main kanohi page, nor am i wishing for the deletion of these perfectly good images. this is something simply to make the wiki better, which i woudl like to see discussed, and hopefully enacted.

--Thoron-Talk if you want, or, if you don't want 06:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

It really does just work better to have set (or otherwise CGI'd) images for Kanohi. As an aesthetic thing, combined with an absolutely consistent nature, I prefer it on the whole. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 06:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Plus, some of the comic images, like the Calix, for example, have more of an "illustrator's twist" on them rather than look more like the actual mask. In the long run, yeah. Sets are better. More off topic, Hewkii and Iruini look so weird in those pictures. --ShadonX

AfC/AfD History page

I'm bringing it up here, because I personally think it will be useful, and that it seems no action will be made unless someone brings it up. >> Could we try to recreate it using the description here?--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Don't know if I'm helping your point or not here, but I'm going to say that I, for one, forgot this thing existed until you mentioned it. :P But yeah, I found it useful back when it was actually used. Deebz and the other archivist (Trig?) are retired or MIA, so we'd need another team, someone who follows the pages, but yeah, if we could overhaul it, it'd work.----

Totally, digging through Archives in search of nom's is horrible. Lord Nektann

I agree, and would be willing to help. Zerothemaster 20:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC) 13:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I could help, too.----

If you guys can actually code it, go for it. I've asked people to do it a number of times, but it's apparently low on the priority list. I'd love to have it back. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 19:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd try to make it, but from Deebee's description on Dorek's talkpage archive, I still can't get a good idea of what it looked like. Maybe we should ask a good coder (who's willing to help) to try to re-create it.--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Let's get SK B) Lord Oblivion ^{(Talk | Services | ASCII Kanohi)}

I always knew being a Wiki vet would come in handy someday. It was basically a scroll bar divided into three columns. One was name, one was date, and one was the outcome with a link to the debate from the page archives. Each nomination had it's own row, and there was a box for AfD and a box for AfC.--

The name of the page was BIONICLEsector01:AfD & AfC/History, if anyone was interested in it's exact name.--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Let me see if I can better describe it. It had two seperate charts for the AfC and AfD, each one in a scrollbox. Each chart had three columns. From the left to the right they were: Date, Page Name, and Result. A sample would look like this:
1/23/04 Tahu Created
The "result" column would link to the edit in the AfC or AfD in which it got the 15 votes, the staff approval, the dismissal, etc. Deebee\^Talk 16:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Category:Objects on Kanohi pages

When I was browsing the Kanohi pages, I realized that they are objects. So I thought that maybe we could put Category:Objects on each individual Kanohi page?--Vartemp ^{(Talk | Contribs)}

Anyone gonna answer? Vartemp

I think that it is a good idea. --~Twilight Avenger~ ^talk | _awards 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. --ShadonX

Staffers?-- (^Talk/ _Contribs)

I'm in. Toa Jala ^Talk 21:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

AfC

It's really starting to hurt and annoy me that every time I put a page up for creation, someone has to come and leave some obnoxious remark against it. Can we please try to better monitor the comments being made, 'cause it's really starting to tick me off. If you wish to continue to see me as an active member, then please keep your negative comments to yourself.Toa Jala ^Talk 02:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

There's already a talk calmly notice on the page, so I don't really get what you want done. Unless you were just stating it so everyone could know how you feel. Some people are just rude. There's really not much that can be done to change that. -- ^Talk 03:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

People can be rude and still talk calmly, so therefore, I think that we should have something up there to remind people to make people be respectful of other people's ideas.Toa Jala ^Talk 03:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Please, I've seen what words can do to people. I've seen it to an extent that I hope you will never see. I think that action in this case must be taken. Here is an example of what I have in mind:

Be Respectful There is always some disagreement between the two opposing sides of a debate. It is important that you keep your comments polite and do not place any comments that will offend other people.

It's negotiable. Change it if you want, but at least consider it's use in the AfC (I only say AfC because I don't see this stuff in the AfD).Toa Jala ^Talk 04:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Words can harm a lot. I guess rewriting the Talk Calmly template can work out. Talk to the user who offended you and try to fix things up, or go to the staff. Things happen. The important is to be calm yourself :)^{(Contributions/Sandbox/Talk)}

Another thing to keep in mind is that this is just a website. You shouldn't let such a little thing affect you so much. Also, realize that unless it is outright blatant, a comment made might have been placed there with the intention of being a calm, level statement instead of an angry, rude one. Such things have happened here before. Zo;Tomana ^Histories

You bring up a good point. However, calmness and rudeness are two very different things and are capable of coexisting.Toa Jala ^Talk 05:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

That is true, just keep in mind that what you are getting in the AfC right now...is a lot better than what it has been. Zo;Tomana ^Histories

Oh, I beleive that. I can only imagine what it was like before the CalmHeaded template. I suppose sometimes I just get annoyed by little things and then go to extreme measures to fix them. I'm kinda over it now. However, I think it might still be something for the Staff to think about. Thanks, guys!Toa Jala ^Talk 20:17, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

No prob, and keep in mind that templates only do so much. Even with the calmheaded one it still can get heated. Zo;Tomana ^Histories

Template:In Use

I like to see good content on the Wiki. It's why I'm here to help. I have one remark though.

I am currently working on a page that I have the template up on. I know, for a fact, I saved my work from two nights ago. i came back tonight and it was gone. The change does not show up in the logs so I am assuming it is a Bot edit. Could the staff please refrain from Bot'ing an article with that template in place, unless, of course, you the content is just outrageous or nothing to do whatsoever with the article. Please? Toa Sorano^{SPRITE ORDERS} 03:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

There are no interim edits and no deleted edits; short of Swert going into the database (which is far more trouble than it's worth) there has not been anything to complain about. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 03:26, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

IgnikaMaster

When I go to carve my page for just one section, it says there are no sections. The page title says "No such section" and the page says "You tried to edit a section that does not exist. Since there is no section 1, there is no place to save your edit." Can someone help me fix this? Thanks. ~IgnikaMaster (Talk|Contribs)

AFC limitation

Maybe we can add a limitation on about how many pages can be nominated, the page now looks a bit messed up and to long with over 20 nominations

My opinion is that we can't do that. That would be unfair to people putting up nominations. If you have a good nomination, you shouldn't have to wait until some things lose and the staff become more decisive. It is long, but it never will be forever. Lord Nektann

AFD staff vote?

I'm curious as to why something like this wasn't implemented with the AFC staff vote, I do feel the final decision should be up to the staff even just as with the AFC. This way pages downed by the community could have a second chance. :/ --MatoroIgnika^Contribs/_Awards

In the instance of Vacuum, I had planned on going for it.

Ordinarily, it doesn't really work because it's more of an in-discussion. It takes long enough to get staff to vote on the AfC, and it's really just a different nature for the AfD. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 23:59, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I thoroughly oppose this; while I think the issue of page Creation is best handled by staff, as it takes only 10 people to pass an article, in the AfD, it takes fifteen votes to decide, which means it would take longer; with staff vote, it might take 3 weeks to a month to decide., which would clog up the whole thing. Currently, I believe the staff being able to vote and state opinions in the AfD works better than a separate staff vote. Also, I cannot ignore the politics of this; both MI and Dorek support keeping Vacuum, and a staff vote could contradict the will of the members on that issue. I'm also not sure if the staff would want to have to vote separately on the AfD either; the staff should, in my mind, focus more on vandals and the like, and a separate AfD vote might hurt that.

Keep in mind that staff have overruled deletion votes before, specifically in the case of the Mask of Possibilities. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

I agree with TN05. One of the functions of the AfD is to allow users to get a say as to what goes and what stays. The Staff have final say in the AfC, which I think they should. However, if the Staff had final say for the AfD, then regular users would have much less of a voice than they do now. It is, in my opinion, a rather well-designed system. Toa Jala ^Talk 01:46, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Even I, who desperately wishes to have Vacuum kept, think that the staff vote doesn't need to be implemented on the AfD. When it comes down to it, there should be more control on what gets made than what goes out. Staff reserve the right to veto any nomination anyway so.... Zo;Tomana ^Histories

Idea

I recently invented a code that allows people to type (sort of) in Matoran text. I showed Dark Light, and he had another one of his cool ideas: what if we used this code to replace the text on top of the parent pages? It would save some space on the page, 'cause my code is considerably smaller than typing in the individual letters. here's the code. I tested it out in the main sandbox on the bottom. Dark Light's trying to figure out a way to adjust it so that you can choose the size of the letters. Of course, I could just as well change all the sizes so it automatically puts it into the correct size. What do you think? Toa Jala ^Talk 02:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Well? Toa Jala ^Talk 15:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

If we can't adjust it, it simply won't work. Lord Nektann

What I'm trying to say is I can adjust it. All I have to do is modify the code. This will work as long as we keep a consistant font size for all the parent pages.Toa Jala ^Talk 20:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Kanohi Redirects

I think that we should have redirect pages that lead to named Kanohi. For example, if someone types in "Mask of Sheilding," they will be redirected to "Hau." We can't expect normal (non-BS01-member) fans to remember the names of all the Kanohi. Should I be bringing this up at the AfC, or is here good? Toa Jala ^Talk 15:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Here's good because the AfC would quadruple if you did that. I'm for it. Lord Nektann

We used to have those, but I think they were lost in the move. I never really liked them that much, anyway. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 20:20, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

@Dorek: So should I make them? I mean, I know you may not like them, Dorek, but what about the rest of the staff? Do they want them back, or have you decided collectively that we're better off without them? Toa Jala ^Talk 20:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Takua/Takanuva

How come sometimes when we have a link to Takanuva, we have it set up like this: [[Takua/Takanuva#Takanuva|Takanuva]]? I think it should simply be set up like this: [[Takua/Takanuva|Takanuva]]. Here's my reasoning: Takua and Takanuva are the same character; he simply changed his name, unlike Dekar, who became someone else entirely. I'd fix it myself, but I wanted to open a discussion for it first, so please don't say "go fix it yourself; this is a Wiki." Toa Jala ^Talk 15:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

If some kid who doesn't know Bionicle that well clicks a Takanuva link, he may go 'huh?' when he has to scroll through all this stuff about Takua. Its been done that way for years and changing it would be ARRGGHHH. I guess the thing is Takua and Takanuva's history are two different eras of the charecter. Lord Nektann

Yeah, but we don't link to [[Jaller#Toa Inika]] every time we say "Toa Jaller." It says right in the first paragraph "He donned the Avohkii and transformed into a Toa, renaming himself Takanuva." If the fans don't read that, then it's their problem. And don't worry about the problems that changing it will present; I will personally go around and fix all the links if this gets approved. Toa Jala ^Talk 20:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but Jaller didn't become Jallinika. He's still Jaller. And if this does get approved I'll help. No reason to have you do it alone. Lord Nektann

Good point. I kinda see why we do it this way now. Some fan'll click on it, then end up at Takua/Takanuva#Takanuva, then scroll up and say "oooh, I get it." I suppose it really would work either way. Anyway, thanks for offering to help :) Toa Jala ^Talk 21:13, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Appearance Idea

This is an idea I've been piecing together for a while now. Some characters, Locations, Rahi, and Cretures have such minor parts in some online serials, that I find it hard to remember them. I came up with a solution that would look like this. For example, Trinuma's appearances:

• Toa Nuva Blog (Not Mentioned by Name)
• The Kingdom (In an Alternate Universe)
• Federation of Fear (Mentioned Only)
• Destiny War
  • Chapter 1
  • Chapter 2
  • Chapter 3

In words, we would double bullet the chapters that the character appeared in. For characters that appeared in every chapter of the serial, like Brutaka and Takanuva we would simply say Federation of Fear or Takanuva's Blog. Anyone think this is a good idea?-Vartemp · Talk · Contribs 03:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Sounds kay. Obitor

Eh. I think it's enough to mention the source, really. ctrl + f is pretty easy to use. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 03:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. One question: what's Ctrl+F do? Toa Jala ^Talk 07:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not for it. It's enough that they appeared. For people like Tarduk we'd have Riddle of the Great Beings, than nine chapters. That makes no sense. Lord Nektann

if they are in the whole thing, why not don't do the bullet points? :) talk :P 13:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Control+F brings up the "find" option in many browsers. So, for Trinuma, you would press Control+F, then type in "Trinuma". It would highlight all occurances of that word, making it easy to find the parts of the story he was in. Deebee\^Talk 02:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD

So this comes up again, but it is something that has been bugging me. A certain member, who I will not name simply says "This. Page. Sucks" for a comment on a vote, which I find obnoxious. I propose we make a rule against those obnoxious comments.-Vartemp · Talk · Contribs 01:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Also, things like 'SPLOOM IT' or 'SPLOOM TIME' can get annoying as well. ~Woah.

The member that said that meant it as a joke. >> It wasn't obnoxious. But SPLOOM IT should die. Lord Nektann

Maybe encourage the idea that if you must leave a comment....have it be worthwhile and contributing to the discussion at hand. Things like "this page sucks", "sploom it", etc. are not constructive. Zo;Tomana ^Histories

I agree with Tomana on his idea. Also, don't forget the annoying "Uses Cordak Blaster to blast page" comments. Deebee\^Talk 12:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

FS

Okay, now that the MS and UP spotlights are gone, I was thinking of maybe having a new department, though I dunno if the staff will accept it.I was think of a featured template, which is very useful. Can be a nav or an info temp.-Vartemp · Talk · Contribs 19:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't sound too interesting. Featured Template? 'Dude, the Need template is so rad! It soooooo should be FT!' Yeah, I just don't think it's that appealing. And a lot of the Wiki doesn't know about templates. Lord Nektann

I said it can only be a Nav or an Info template. All others cannot be in it.-Vartemp · Talk · Contribs 19:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Gonna talk with Bioran about a new department some of the staff and I planned out. The template thing is kinda iffy, mainly because I don't know how many people would be excited about voting for a big box with colored words in it. :P--

'(Reads Rules)' Awwwww maaaannnn, let's do Template: Element Lord 'cause I like how it has a region section'. Yeah, templates aren't appealing. Maybe...Set of the Week! Lord Nektann

"We're a storyline wiki, not a set wiki."-Quoted by as many people as the Frank Sinatra line floating around the wiki. :P--

:/. We can still feature sets, I for one think that would be interesting (After we get past every 01-03 set of course). Lord Nektann

It'd be just like another IoTW, just that this would still have writeups and it'd be all pictures of sets.-- 20:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, a set pic and some info about the set written cleverly. Lord Nektann

Well, like I said, I'm talking to Bioran about an idea a couple staffies and I came up with, so I'll bring both the ideas up with him tonight, kk?-- 20:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeeeah, Featured Template I think would be irrelavent. Featured set sounds cool, but I agree with Spawnie: we have to focus on the storyline, not the sets. How about Featured Event? Might be worth considering. Toa Jala ^Talk 02:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

We'd run out pretty soon. Lord Nektann

How 'bout Featured Member Quote? It is kinda irrelevant, but we users have said some funny stuff. *shrugs* It's probably a bad idea, but it's an idea just the same, right. Toa Jala ^Talk 21:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess, but people may go 'wha? You don't like my quote ;.;'. Lord Nektann

What about Featured Editor? Unlike MS, this is something you earn by completing the most effective Maintenance tasks within a two week basis. -Shadow Kurahk · Talk 08:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

AfC/AfD Voting

K, so I know this idea got sploomed before, but I really think we should monitor the voting there. People have to vote for or against something for a reason. You can't just flip a coin and vote ramdomly. In fact, one member did just that...Honest to Mata Nui, I saw that just now. We have to take steps to make sure that people don't vote for bogus reasons. Toa Jala ^Talk 21:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

It's up to people how they want to vote. I've given my reasons as to why it's a very bad idea to implement any sort of "valid reasoning" system for the AfC/D. It's just not going to happen. --Dorek (Talk| Contribs) 21:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Fine, but I really think people should take voting more seriously than that. If a member doesn't care one way or the other, then they shouldn't vote. Toa Jala ^Talk 21:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Then that their problem. Lord Nektann

Honestly, the point of monitoring the voting would be...what? If people don't care about the pages, they usually don't vote. (Heck, you think I care whether we have a Northern Frost page? :P) I mean, if people want to say something about the nom, make some kind of funny comment, that's their right. And if they want to just say, "I don't care, so I'll just vote this," well, that's their right, too.-- 21:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

What I posted is no more bogus then someone saying 'I like this page' or saying nothing at all. And quite honestly, I felt I needed to vote to help unclog the AfC. Toa Nidhiki05: Toa of Air ^Talk | _Contribs

If we had the valid reason rule on the AfC/D during the age where Vartemp rules the AfC, do you realize how much watching that would be? The staff have other duties, and I don't think Swert would hire staff to just watch votes, plus having members watch them almost removes them from any other activity because there are just that many votes to watch, get rid of, notify the voter... In the end its a huge hassle that we shouldn't bother dealing with. Besides, you really want the AfC to grow exponentially? This would keep things on the AfC for a long long time, probably till every single nom would time out and then with the build up the number of noms would get bigger and bigger. It'd keep things on the AfC longer than our lazy Staff do XD. And it'd be the same story on the AfD. I do agree that people should vote for more than "I like the page" "I hate the page" "I want this page to stop popping up" "I flipped a coin" "I just feel like it" etc. but I don't think that'll happen. Zo;Tomana ^Histories

Okay, I admit I do watch the AfC a lot to check to see what people think of my noms, but I am not in favor of having to have "Valid reasons". That might lead to big arguments, which stress people out.-Vartemp · Talk · Contribs 22:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, they do, as a veteran of many I can testify to that XD Zo;Tomana ^Histories

@TN05: Sorry. I respect that now. Thanks for trying to speed things along.

@Zo;Tanoma: I'd volunteer for that job, but I do see your point about the AfC blowing up. Unless we applied a limit, of course, which has already been suggested and sploomed.

Toa Jala ^Talk 02:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

AfC/AfD

Okay, I am bringing something old back up again. I've noticed members making rather obnoxious comments in the AfC . For example.

I propose we make a rule that if a member is offended by those kind of comments we will be able to remove them, since the member offending them is referring to them. No one else except staff can remove them.

Another thing is rather annoying comments in both the AfC and AfD, such as:

This can be offensive for the person who nominated the article, because they themselves think it is a good idea.

These comments I believe everyone agrees are very annoying and more spam than a reason. I propose we make a rule against these comments.-Vartemp · Talk · Contribs 21:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

People can do what they want to do. I think said quotes are pretty funny for the most part. And you can ban people from saying what they want. This last quote was a joke, the first quote was a joke, the second quote was a person who really didn't like the idea, and the third gets annoying every once and a while but I deal with it. This has been brought up several times, and the fact is people can say what they want. If it bothers you to non end just ignore it. Lord Nektann

I've supported this in the past, Var, and it never got passed. However, the 2x4 puts a new twist on things. If nothing else, we should prevent that. Personal attacks are unacceptable (unless they're on your TP from your friends). Toa Jala ^Talk 22:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It seems like free speech is a dead concept. Several people, I included, have the belief that people can say what they want. If they want to say something, that's their right. And the member who made the 2x4 comment, I happen to know, is a kind, funny member who was making a joke. It's when everybody gets themselves twisted about it that problems start.-- 17:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

We don't need a rule telling people not to insult each other. If a member is offended by a comment somebody made he/she should tell the staff anyway. We don't tolerate unruly behavior of that sort. If a conversation begins getting out of hand, either contact a staff member directly or let any online staff member resolve the situation.

As per annoying comments; it's just a waste of space to make a new rule just for that. People are entitled to their opinions, so long as they aren't excessively offensive. -Shadow Kurahk · Talk 08:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I also think the "sucks" comments are usually puns on the Vacuum page. Deebee\^Talk 02:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, knowing who made the 2x4 comment, I say that it was...inapropriate, but not of ill intent. I suppose it's not that big of a deal. I suppose it was meant to be a joke. I don't entirely agree with this user's method, but such comments are, in all cases I've seen, merely jokes. For example:

This was part of a game that took place when I changed my sig to say "Makuta Jala." I found it funny, actually. However, in reality, we cannot zap each other with lasers, so we think nothing of it. However, bashing someone with a 2x4 is something that we can do in reality, so it produces a much more vivid--and disturbing--mental image. That, my friends is what makes this case different. We can visualize it, and therefore, it offends us more.

It is not my intention to point fingers in any direction. I just wanted to put things into perspective. Toa Jala ^Talk 06:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

i know, i think we need to do somthing about it, maybe and AFC/AFD patrol?

Project X Mark 1

NO WAY. That would be too much time-consuming work and really a huge issue. Lord Nektann

I would gladly volunteer for that. Actually, I think that would be unneeded, because this stuff deosn't happen a lot. Toa Jala ^Talk 14:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)