Talk:Hooks

I still have a problem with the trivia because that's basically ALL OF EVERYTHING. BIONICLE is built on billions of different representations, and there's always going to be features that appear in sets but aren't in the story (or vice versa). Not to mention that if we include it in one place, we'd have to include it everywhere, and that definitely isn't happening. Heartlights are perfect examples; something that isn't in any set but is a know feature regardless. -- I AM THE DOREK _{do not truffle with me} 18:51, 11 April 2014 (CEST)

In discussion, GF said that they were considered her hands for the sets, and the comics, etc, since those were based off of the sets. It was only changed for the later novels novel b/c he didn't want a character who couldn't easily pick things up and whatnot (the same would have happened to onua's claws, but those aren't so difficult to work with). Also, as i've stated before, they were always called her "hooked arms" in media, and it was shown that she used them as one would his hands. I'm not sure how much you guys remember or if you were following bionicle back then, but it was abundantly clear that they were in fact her hands. Plus, based on the design of that set, if they were in fact detached tools, they could have easily made them so in visual media and still been following the set, yet they did not. Another thing i wanted to bring up is the fact that the only place they were ever mentioned as detached tools was in the book when takanuva had the flashback with helryx's kratana... unless there's something else i missed, which i doubt, considering gali mata never made an appearance other than that in the story after 2002.

the difference between this and the heartlight is that with the heartlight, there is no conflict of information: there was never any media saying that they never had heartlights; all sources say that they always had them. with the hooks, there are conflicting accounts as to whether they were actually her hands, like onua, or detached tools, like tahu's sword.

i recognize your concern for changing all other pages that involve this bit of trivia... i would be happy to take on that task. Intelligence4 (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2014 (CEST)

Well, the hooks did appear as standalone weapons in BIONICLE: Heroes, but I digress.

I was, in fact, following BIONICLE back then, but the usage there is mostly irrelevant. The depictions did have to follow the sets out of necessity, as Greg said, but that will always be the case. None of the sets had proper "hands" until 2009. Click's shield does not have an eye in any of the sets, bit does in the story and comic depictions because they wanted to follow the movie's version of this.

For story purposes, Gali never had hooked arms, just as the Scarab Shield did not suddenly sprout an eye, and Takanuva didn't suddenly get fingers in 2010 (or the Piraka or whatever). It's a fine line in earlier cases because the product was still developing, evolving. But I'm still going to maintain that the trivia is lumped into the rest of "yeah, it's different here and here" because that will always be. There are so many incarnations and interpretations that it's one step over the edge of having to note the discrepancy on 90% of character pages, which is definitely not going to happen. -- I AM THE DOREK _{do not truffle with me} 18:56, 12 April 2014 (CEST)

that video game isn't canon is it? i thought there were a lot of elements in that game that were... off.

anywho, there really isn't any other page we'd have to mess around with: gali's hooks are the only page that had their story interpretation changed at a later stage, everything else pretty much stayed constant in the story. gali's hooks were her hands in the story as well, with the exception of that last book where greg changed it. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:17, 12 April 2014 (CEST)

Creator thing

It didn't work because the the name of this "parameter" is manufacturer not creator. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 10:13, 15 December 2016 (CET)

So those can't be changed then? is that a thing that's hardcoded into the wiki code, or did we set those? Intelligence4 (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2017 (CET)

We did it, but these are tools, so these were manufactured. If Artakha created the Toa Mata and their tools with the Mask of Creation, the tools would be created. But he didn't, so he crafted/manufactured the tools after he finished the Toa. That could be the most logical thing. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 18:34, 6 January 2017 (CET)

just generally speaking, creating something is kinda the same thing as manufacturing it, but doesn't refer to a specific process. we could probably use the parameter on more pages if it was kept more general... right? Intelligence4 (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2017 (CET)

Ask Morris, he edited the infoboxes. -- Surel-Nuva (Talk) 19:29, 6 January 2017 (CET)