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Clone Tools

For want of a better word, I'm making this section to nominate the deletion/merging of a bunch of pages, as mentioned in the toa hagah tools discussion. I figured instead of making a yes/no votes section, we could just have a running tally of each group of pages we want to condense. If you think of another set of pages you want to nominate, just add it as a subsection here and we can all vote.

Rahkshi Staffs

Make Rahkshi Staffs

  1. Intelligence4 (talk) 01:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
  2. SurelNuva (Talk) 14:16, 30 June 2017 (CET)
  3. --777stairs (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2017 (CET)
  4. No these tools don't contain a Rahkshi's power, but they still are a very notable weapon deserving a page.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:17, 19 July 2017 (CET)
  5. Though they do not contain powers, and while there might not be much information on them, we have tons of tool pages with less information. It's still a tool, even without the power. --~ Wolk (talk) 07:41, 29 September 2017 (CET)
  6. --Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:38, 1 October 2017 (CET)

Don't make Rahkshi Staffs

  1. Nah, it's an extension of their own power, not a separate tool. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs) 05:20, 1 July 2017 (CET)
  2. This^--Vartemp Talk 22:20, 29 September 2017 (CET)

Delete the pages but don't make Rahkshi Staffs

  1. I agree with Swert that we don't need a page including all the staffs, but this also implies that we don't need pages for them at all. ~OnionShark 12:25, 1 July 2017 (CET)
  2. --Snaptor (talk) 02:40, 20 September 2017 (CET)

Bohrok Shields

Make Bohrok Shields

  1. SurelNuva (Talk) 14:16, 30 June 2017 (CET)
  2. ~OnionShark 15:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
  3. --777stairs (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2017 (CET)
  4. --WOLKsite (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2017 (CET)
  5. --Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 17:54, 12 July 2017 (CET)
  6. --Vartemp Talk 22:20, 29 September 2017 (CET)

Don't make Bohrok Shields

  1. if the rakhshi staffs are an extension of their power, then the bohrok shields certainly are as well. for one thing, the staffs were something that they held in their hands and could be put down, but i don't think we've ever seen a bohrok put its shields down. afaiknew, they were part of the bohrok themselves, and not a separate tool. anyway, i don't think we need a page for these, we can just have a section on the bohrok article for them.
  2. Nothing that would belong on a page for the bohrok shields would be out-of-place on the bohrok pages. Maybe just a redirect link to their powers section would be the way to go. --Snaptor (talk) 01:42, 24 September 2017 (CET)

Bohrok-Kal Shields

Make Bohrok-Kal Shields

  1. SurelNuva (Talk)
  2. ~OnionShark 15:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
  3. I'm for putting them on their own page, sure. --External Image Owner (talk|contribs) 05:20, 1 July 2017 (CET)
  4. --777stairs (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2017 (CET)
  5. These shields seem iconic enough to be separate from the normal Borohk shields.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 17:50, 12 July 2017 (CET)
  6. --Vartemp Talk 22:20, 29 September 2017 (CET)

Don't make Bohrok-Kal Shields

  1. I feel it would belong on the same page as the regular Bohrok Shields. --WOLKsite (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2017 (CET)
  2. same argument as the bohrok shields above from me - and if we were to create that page, i don't think the kal shields are special enough to warrant their own page - perhaps a section of the regular bohrok shields page, if anything. ideally, there would just be a section for them on the bohrok kal page. Intelligence4 (talk) 20:23, 15 July 2017 (CET)

Twin Knives

Merge Twin Knives with Takadox

  1. See the comments ~OnionShark 15:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
  2. we could probably do this with a lot of pages - most tools didn't show up separately from their users. Intelligence4 (talk) 01:31, 1 July 2017 (CET)
  3. Changing my vote (Can we do that?) simply because I put it in the wrong section. Snaptor (talk) 04:14, 22 September 2017 (CET)

Don't merge Twin Knives with Takadox

  1. I'm not convinced that this doesn't warrant the same treatment as the other Barraki pages. --777stairs (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2017 (CET)
  2. Individual enough to be on its on page. We have the same ammount of info about it as we have about the Flame ClawsSurelNuva (Talk) 12:04, 8 July 2017 (CET)
  3. --WOLKsite (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2017 (CET)
  4. --Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2017 (CET)
  5. --Vartemp Talk 22:20, 29 September 2017 (CET)

Phantoka/Mistika Makuta Weapons

Make Phantoka/Mistika Makuta Weapons

Merge Shadow Spear, Longswords and Hook Blades with Mutran, Bitil and Chirox respectively.

  1. Do we really need pages for these? There's very little information actually on them.--Snaptor (talk) 01:04, 25 September 2017 (CET)
  2. we can just link to the tools section of the makuta's page Intelligence4 (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2017 (CET)

Don't merge Shadow Spear, Longswords and Hook Blades.

  1. They aren't clone weapons, so I don't think they should be merged. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 02:41, 25 September 2017 (CET)
  2. I think the movement to delete/merge weapon pages is useful for clone tools and clone tools only. --Angel Bob (talk)
  3. Eh, we need some individual pages. — SurelNuva (Talk) 11:57, 25 September 2017 (CET)
  4. --~ Wolk (talk) 07:42, 29 September 2017 (CET)
  5. --Vartemp Talk 22:20, 29 September 2017 (CET)
  6. --Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:37, 1 October 2017 (CET)

Comments

The Piraka weapons are individuals enough to deserve their own pages. — SurelNuva (Talk) 14:16, 30 June 2017 (CET)

The Shark Tooth Blades and Tri-talons have enough info on them to merit pages of their own, but I think that one for the Twin Knives is unneeded. I also like the suggestion of having both the normal and Kal shields on the same page, but for now let's keep the voting options apart. Lastly, I don't think that a page for the Va's tools is needed, simply because they don't already have pages of their own but are mentioned in the abilities and traits sections of their respective Bohrok, so they are fine like this. ~OnionShark 15:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
Pahrak Va have the same hammers as Turaga Onewa, the Tahnok Va have firestaffs like Turaga Vakama. — SurelNuva (Talk) 15:49, 30 June 2017 (CET)
One more reason to get rid of the 7 Rahkshi staffs that answer claims that the shape of the staff doesn't matter, they are just the focus.[OGD: May 19 2003, 11:29 AM] So Guurahk's and the Rahkshi of Heat Vision's staff are the same weapon, but being held by another Rahkshi. — SurelNuva (Talk) 17:44, 30 June 2017 (CET)
It seems like batching clone weapons on a single page would be better organization, but will character pages have any info for tools or will all the info be on the list of clone weapons? Also, in the case of say, Takadox's Twin Knives, where his weapon would be merged with his character page, does anybody think it excessive to have a page batching the Barraki tools together even though they are not clone tools?--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 02:01, 1 July 2017 (CET)

Eh I think we should only be doing this sort of thing for clone weapons. -- Morris the Mata Nui Cow (talk) 05:28, 1 July 2017 (CET)

Do we have any other clone tools? — SurelNuva (Talk) 12:10, 8 July 2017 (CET)
Bohrok Va still need to be voted on. I'll make the section.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2017 (CET)
Oops. Didn't realize it was already decided. And no, I suppose they don't have staffs, I guess I was just thinking about Tahnok Va when I did that.--Harsulin's Ghost (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2017 (CET)

Regarding the talk around bohrok shields being an extension of their power, I believe I recall Greg.F confirming somewhere that the bohrok shields are actual shields that are held by the bohrok, as opposed to part of their anatomy/design. So in other words, a toa could hold one without difficulty, although whether or not they could use it I can't remember. I'm not sure where I stand on the question, but I thought it was worth bringing up. Snaptor (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2017 (CET)

Do you have a source for this? that would pretty much settle it. but i still don't think we should make a separate page for them, since we've never seen the shields out of context with the bohrok. they've always been seen with a borhok, regardless if they're part of their "anatomy" or not. Intelligence4 (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2017 (CET)
I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could find the source, but the problem with intensively reading through all the old archives is that it's hard to remember exactly where you read what. I think it was somewhere in the original "Official Greg Discussion Topic" from around 2002/2003, so it may have been contradicted later anyway. In any case, I agree with your point that we have never seen a bohrok without it's shield, or vice versa, so it's not hugely important either way. I feel it's similar to how Cahdok & Gahdok are separate beings, but are on the same page because nothing that's relevant to one isn't also relevant to the other.Snaptor (talk) 01:40, 24 September 2017 (CET)
The BEU lists the Bohrok Shields as separate weapons from the Bohrok. " [Element] Shield: Tool carried by the [respective Bohrok]. [next line defines how the shield channels the Bohrok's powers]" and Greg once said that the Rahkshi staffs are not the extension of their powers so a Guurakh could use its powers through a Panrakh's staff. See the Greg answer below. — SurelNuva (Talk) 01:51, 24 September 2017 (CET)
"3. Does a piece of power reside within the Rahkshi themselves or is all their power in their staffs? For example, say Turahk and Guurahk switch staffs, would Turahk have the power of disintegration, or would it do nothing? "
" No, the staffs are just to focus the power, like the Toa's tools are."
— reptilia28 to GregF, Official Greg Discussion May 19 2003, 11:29 AM
If that's the case, then can we really make a page called "Staff of Fear" (for example) if any rahkshi can use it? The fact that the staffs essentially have no power apart from channeling the natural abilities of the rahkshi wielding them only seems to reinforce that a page for them would be rather pointless. --Snaptor (talk) 10:55, 24 September 2017 (CET)
That's why I wanna make a page called "Rahkshi Staffs" which includes the six versions of the staffs could be carried by the Rahkshi. As long as the statement above is true (And Farshtey wrote it, so it is) Guurakh's and the 2010 Rahskshi's staff are the same, only the power of the Rahkshi who's wielding it is different.(The preceding unsigned comment was made by Surel-nuva)

Added a section for three of the Phantoka/Mistika Makuta weapons which we know very little about. I purposefully left Icarax's Rotating Shadow Blades absent from the list because there is more information on them than the other three. --Snaptor (talk) 01:04, 25 September 2017 (CET)